How far was peak Amare from peak Duncan offensively?

[Rocketswin2013]

How much better or worse?

[TripleA]

At his peak he was unstoppable.

[Lebronxrings]

i would take peak amare over peak duncan. Duncan is more role playerish with amazing longevity.

[SouBeachTalents]

i would take peak amare over peak duncan. Duncan is more role playerish with amazing longevity.

Bosh > both of them

[sd3035]

Peak Bosh was a monster before Lebald ruined his career

[Dbrog]

These replies though...

:facepalm

[BlakFrankWhite]

I wonder what numbers Duncan would put if he had prime Nash.

[TheBigVeto]

Very far.
Duncan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Amare

Amare - Nash = Trash

[Sarcastic]

I wonder what numbers Duncan would put if he had prime Nash.


Amar'e put up great numbers without Nash, and Duncan's teammates and coaches >>> anything Amar'e ever had.



Popovich, Manu, Parker, and D Rob compared to Nash and D'Antoni

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[bizil]

Scoring wise, peak Amare was just as good as Timmy. But offense ALSO includes passing. When u factor that in, Timmy was CLEARLY better than Amare. As a TOTAL OFFENSIVE PLAYER, only guys like Barkley, Mailman, and KG are on Timmy's level at the PF.

[artificial]

In terms of scoring, peak Amare was ridiculous. He had a more than decent mid range game, no need to discuss his athleticism, and had very respectable moves on the post.

I remember a playoff game where he went something like 10 of 11 from the floor or something that crazy, and he certainly looked quite unstoppable on the court (not only shooting open shots). In terms of pure scoring, I believe peak Amare wasn't that far from Timmy D, and that's just a way of saying that peak Amare could score with the best of them.

However, as the prior poster said, if you factor in overall offense including passing, offensive awareness, plays in the clutch and other factors Timmy is far superior. No offense on Amare, but Duncan is just too great.

[Fire Colangelo]

Amare put up great offensive numbers without Nash.

Amare is someone that can put up 30, 35, 40 on you while Duncan is more complete on offense with his passing.

[HoopologyPhD]

Not that far, especially in fast break situations where Amare's athleticism was much better.

In the half court and ISO situations, Duncan was much better because of his post moves and shooting touch.

[FKAri]

Are people forgetting how poor Amare was in isolation situations?

He was an amazing pick and roll/pop player who showed even more versatility early in his Knick career but he was never a 'dump the ball to' player.

[feyki]

So far. Million light years awaayyy fromm youu . Lol what the :D ? Amare more superstarish player with amazing tiny longevity.

[Rab]

You're talking two very different styles of offense. Duncan is a master of position and footwork, and is a good passer. He never was a volume scorer, but the attention he commanded from defenses played a huge role in his teams success.

Amar'e was a freak of nature. Insane athletic ability, but never a great post player in terms of post moves. He was always best when he faced up his opponent, and played the pick and roll. He developed and excellent 15-18 ft jumper over his career and was always one of the most efficient scorers for years in terms of how many shots he got to how many points he scored. Amar'e tended to struggle with turnovers more than Timmy, and he wasn't a doubled a lot due to the Suns outside shooting.

Timmy is ahead for sure, but prime Amar'e got somewhat close for a few years there.

[SCdac]

Scoring wise, peak Amare was just as good as Timmy. But offense ALSO includes passing. When u factor that in, Timmy was CLEARLY better than Amare. As a TOTAL OFFENSIVE PLAYER, only guys like Barkley, Mailman, and KG are on Timmy's level at the PF.

This guy gets it.

Amare was lethal offensively for a minute but he was like a black hole/finisher and not a playmaker at all.. just like Dwight Howard

Give me the guy who anchored Spurs offenses and could have championship teams built around his offense. Duncan had huge scoring games against the Suns too.

Offense is more than just scoring.. it's decision making, play making, taking on double and triple teams, and more.

Some scoring is qualitatively better than others imo. Let's remember that Suns played at a much higher pace, much different style. Duncan had elite scoring for a slow, half-court team.

[NewYorkNoPicks]

To those who actually watch the games rather than going by box scores....

Amare was more DOMINANT but Duncan was by far the more talented scorer.

Amare's dominance was completely due to physical attributes rather than actual basketball skills. He was so much stronger, quicker, and could leap higher than anyone at his position that he physically imposed himself on the opposition to score.

Amare actually didnt become a real basketball player until his tenure with the Knicks where after realizing his body was deteriorating rapidly he worked extensively with Hakeem Olajuwon to develop a post game and learn more of the games fundamentals. I think I remember him once saying D'Antoni never even taught him how to box out properly, he just showed him how to be useful in the Seven Seconds Or Less offense D'Antoni was famous for.

[Coach Eddie]

i would take peak amare over peak duncan. Duncan is more role playerish with amazing longevity.

:biggums:

I'd take Duncan. Amar'e facing up is dangerous in 1 on 1, but it is not as conducive to team ball. Duncan could actually do a back to the basket game which allows him a greater view of his teammates. This is why he was the master of the hockey assist.

[Smoke117]

Tim Duncan is by far the most overrated scorer as far as big men go.

[SCdac]

Tim Duncan is by far the most overrated scorer as far as big men go.

Oh please. Duncan went toe-to-toe offensively with prime Shaq, KG, and Dirk, and beat them! ... that title you're talking about probably goes to players like Dwight Howard, Jermaine O'neal, Zach Randolph, or a slew of other bigs who's scoring wasn't really all it's cracked up to be. Hell Amare's scoring is more overrated.

[Gus Fring]

Duncan wasn't just a scorer, he was an anchor to your entire offense. Amare was just a great scorer who became an elite scorer when one of the goat passers was on his team. He couldn't anchor a championship offense though, especially not by himself like Duncan did in 03. That's a different level of game.

[Tking714]

Severely underrated in this thread. Being the roll man is an offensive skill itself. It wasnt his primary means of scoring though, it was what popped up in the highlights. Majority of his buckets were the J from the High post or face up one/two dribbles into the paint for a finish. Everything was opened up with his jumper. Duncan has him beat on back to the basket. Amare wasn't force fed he's just an all time top tier high-post player.

[T_L_P]

Tim Duncan is by far the most overrated scorer as far as big men go.

Yo, still waiting on that list of 30 players who peaked higher than Duncan.

Any plans on posting that, bud? :oldlol:

[T_L_P]

Amar'e put up great numbers without Nash, and Duncan's teammates and coaches >>> anything Amar'e ever had.



Popovich, Manu, Parker, and D Rob compared to Nash and D'Antoni

http://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/Yo-Dawg_Xzibit_meme-230_300.jpg

Lest we forget that Amare was on a team that won 54 games and made the WCF without him.

Amare was the help in his prime.

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[HighFlyer23]

He was better than Duncan

[bobopenguin]

if amare is a Serbian Tiger, then Duncan is Godzilla.

[Tking714]

Lest we forget that Amare was on a team that won 54 games and made the WCF without him.

Amare was the help in his prime.

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? they played the Lakers and the Clippers without him. Even without Nash, they were better than those teams. The west was overrated that year.

[dhsilv]

The spurs would let amre go for 35-40 points while guarding him one on one. I don't recall any team in the playoffs trying to guard Duncan one on one. Need I say more?

[KNOW1EDGE]

Tim Duncan is the best power forward of all time.

Amare isn't in the top 20.

And the only advantage peak STAT would have over peak Duncan would be athleticism.

Duncan is better at literally every other aspect of the game

[bizil]

The thing with Duncan was the FACT that he brought a dominant center's skillset to the the PF spot. BUT he had many of the new age PF REQUIREMENTS to dominate the PF as well. When u look at Timmy, KG, Sheed, Dirk, Gasol, J O Neal, etc., they were ALL 6'11 and up. The PF spot was getting taller. Guys were just as tall as the centers. But the PF's were leaner and more versatile. But Timmy WAS THE ONE who could anchor both offensively and on defense in the paint like the great centers.

So whatever scoring capabilities Amare brought to the table, it SIMPLY couldn't compete with Duncan's offensive skillset. ONCE AGAIN, offense is scoring, passing, and the ability to dictate the flow of your team offensively. If we are are talking just straight up scoring, Amare is a top 10 PF peak wise of all time in that sense.

[Clifton]

You're talking two very different styles of offense. Duncan is a master of position and footwork, and is a good passer. He never was a volume scorer, but the attention he commanded from defenses played a huge role in his teams success.

Amar'e was a freak of nature. Insane athletic ability, but never a great post player in terms of post moves. He was always best when he faced up his opponent, and played the pick and roll. He developed and excellent 15-18 ft jumper over his career and was always one of the most efficient scorers for years in terms of how many shots he got to how many points he scored. Amar'e tended to struggle with turnovers more than Timmy, and he wasn't a doubled a lot due to the Suns outside shooting.

Timmy is ahead for sure, but prime Amar'e got somewhat close for a few years there.
Pretty much sums it up. No more to add, other than that they had two totally different styles of offense and that Duncan's style was more dangerous and more important overall.

[lefthook00]

I forget what year it was but I think I remember a very young Amare sh*tting on Duncan badly in the playoffs, Suns may have still lost the series, I'll look it up.

[magnax1]

Offensively he mightve been better, or aa good. Overall he was way behind duncan, but with nash feeding him he was quite a lot better scorer than Duncan ever was.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Amare was better offensively. He always lit Duncan up in the playoffs since Timmy was a poor pickandroll defender. Amare averaged like 37/10 on 55% shooting on him one series:lol :lol :lol

[catch24]

You're talking two very different styles of offense. Duncan is a master of position and footwork, and is a good passer. He never was a volume scorer, but the attention he commanded from defenses played a huge role in his teams success.

Amar'e was a freak of nature. Insane athletic ability, but never a great post player in terms of post moves. He was always best when he faced up his opponent, and played the pick and roll. He developed and excellent 15-18 ft jumper over his career and was always one of the most efficient scorers for years in terms of how many shots he got to how many points he scored. Amar'e tended to struggle with turnovers more than Timmy, and he wasn't a doubled a lot due to the Suns outside shooting.

Timmy is ahead for sure, but prime Amar'e got somewhat close for a few years there.

*golf clap*

Good post - and agreed on all counts.