Relocate the Migrants to any of the Middle eastern Countries(by Force)-Europe/West pays the cost: WIN WIN

[poido123]

Thoughts? We fund and Middle East house them.


Trying to integrate the un integrateable is futile. At least give them a fighting chance and put them in and around a society which shares common ground culturally.


Many of these people cannot speak english, they don't share the same religious beliefs of the host country or share their core values, they are polar opposites on nearly everything.

Why try and put a square peg in a round hole? Won't work. Europe will collapse if it doesn't look at another policy outside of compassionate measures and the push of "Multiculturalism"


Provide the safe passage for these migrants to make the trip back and help fund them to eat etc until they get on their own feet.


I can't believe the West/Europe is lumped with this crisis. Pass it back to where it belongs.

[Akrazotile]

Thoughts? We fund and Middle East house them.


Trying to integrate the un integrateable is futile. At least give them a fighting chance and put them in and around a society which shares common ground culturally.


Many of these people cannot speak english, they don't share the same religious beliefs of the host country or share their core values, they are polar opposites on nearly everything.

Why try and put a square peg in a round hole? Won't work. Europe will collapse if it doesn't look at another policy outside of compassionate measures and the push of "Multiculturalism"


Provide the safe passage for these migrants to make the trip back and help fund them to eat etc until they get on their own feet.


I can't believe the West/Europe is lumped with this crisis. Pass it back to where it belongs.

Powers Dat Be love this shit. It keeps the focus off the in-house issues in the west that contribute to wealth disparity and corruption. And it works out perfectly for them that instead of putting up a united front that insists we push these people out and worry about our own business, there are tons of f@ggot emo liberals who vent their personal self esteem and emotional issues by rallying for these immigrants who would slit their throat in a dark alley if given the chance.

The losers in the west resent the western establishment. They welcome any disruption to it. EVEN at their own expense. Anything to spite the society thats full of people better than them. Anything to outlet that personal anguish and self loathing.

Irony is that in this case, it plays right into the hands of global financial powers.

[9erempiree]

It's way more complex than that. The Arab world don't want them because of self-racism. I know Persians that dislike Afghans or Chinese hating on the Japanese. They know how their own kind are.

Also, a Germany is a dying population and they want cheap labor to sustain there country. They are actually hoping to breed out Islam from these people since its only a religion and hope to sustain their culture.

While its in good faith, its troubling that mosques are also growing at a rapid rate too and funded by the same people that don't want them, by the Saudis.

[poido123]

It's way more complex than that. The Arab world don't want them because of self-racism. I know Persians that dislike Afghans or Chinese hating on the Japanese. They know how their own kind are.

Also, a Germany is a dying population and they want cheap labor to sustain there country. They are actually hoping to breed out Islam from these people since its only a religion and hope to sustain their culture.

While its in good faith, its troubling that mosques are also growing at a rapid rate too and funded by the same people that don't want them, by the Saudis.


I don't care. Start a war if that's what it takes to force them back. Play hard ball with the Middle East(barring Lebanon and other responsible nations), they just played hard ball by not taking in refugees, why can't we do the same back?

Force them into a Sunni/Muslim country if that is the predominant Muslim coming through.

Just takes some organisation and a clearly thought out plan. Do checks, find out their Muslim orientation and fck them off back to a place they can integrate. It's that simple.

[bdreason]

Just give them Bulgaria.

[9erempiree]

I don't care. Start a war if that's what it takes to force them back. Play hard ball with the Middle East(barring Lebanon and other responsible nations), they just played hard ball by not taking in refugees, why can't we do the same back?

Force them into a Sunni/Muslim country if that is the predominant Muslim coming through.

Just takes some organisation and a clearly thought out plan. Do checks, find out their Muslim orientation and fck them off back to a place they can integrate. It's that simple.

While what you said should be done but countries with a dying population such as Germany and Sweden, would want to take them. It helps them increase their birthrate and at the same time have them employed in manufacturing. They have an agenda too and your idea only solves one of the multiple problems.

In Germany and Sweden's eyes, they are optimistic that they can assimilate these people.

[Coach Eddie]

Thoughts? We fund and Middle East house them.


Trying to integrate the un integrateable is futile. At least give them a fighting chance and put them in and around a society which shares common ground culturally.


Many of these people cannot speak english, they don't share the same religious beliefs of the host country or share their core values, they are polar opposites on nearly everything.

Why try and put a square peg in a round hole? Won't work. Europe will collapse if it doesn't look at another policy outside of compassionate measures and the push of "Multiculturalism"


Provide the safe passage for these migrants to make the trip back and help fund them to eat etc until they get on their own feet.


I can't believe the West/Europe is lumped with this crisis. Pass it back to where it belongs.

What ever happened to the US being a melting pot? I've known many Arabic people who fit in fine here, Muslim or not.

[9erempiree]

What ever happened to the US being a melting pot? I've known many Arabic people who fit in fine here, Muslim or not.

We're talking about Muslims and not Arabs. While someone can be both, we are mainly talking about the religion.

The problem is that they use their religion as an excuse to get what they want.

[kNIOKAS]

Uhh you understand that this was exactly the Western policy for the last 100 years? When they created borders around different people and instated opressive regimes to keep them all in one place?

You're saying the West shouldn't adjust this colossal failure of a policy?
:biggums:

[Akrazotile]

Uhh you understand that this was exactly the Western policy for the last 100 years? When they created borders around different people and instated opressive regimes to keep them all in one place?

You're saying the West shouldn't adjust this colossal failure of a policy?
:biggums:


Why do you always try to use soapbox guilt trips to undermine the very country you live in, and other similar countries?

I'm trying to understand what you get from it.

We dont have any obligation to anyone because of what previous generations have done. While we neednt seek to opress anyone, we also have no obligation to appease, accommodate, or adjust to foreign countries or foreign immigrants.

It's okay to tell people "sorry, we like things our way, we're sticking to it, go away, goodbye."

You seem to want to be the international robin hood. The unilateral dispenser of global economic equality and justice. Why? For what? Why dont you worry about the living conditions and social systems in your country, where most people dont want an influx of immigrants, and let these people handle their business in their own countries and try to make them a better place?

Why are you always trying to destabilize western countries with your absurd liberal extremism? Does it make you feel smart? Or like youre somehow more righteous? Theres no clear, logical, evolutionary reason for you to be this up in arms over excessive accommodation of foreign people you have nothing to do with. I think youre confused about yourself and the world and looking for answers? Maybe crying out as the robin hood hero is what makes sense to you right now. You remind me of phantom creep in that you both have that overzealous, 19-year-old-liberal mentality. That "Immortal Technique" complex where you just started to think of stuff, or discover something, and you have to run and tell everyone with immense pretention how you have all the self righteous answers.

Hopefully with time and a little life experience youll mature some.

[bdreason]

The U.S. has been experiencing mass immigration from Mexico for 30 years. The difference is that Mexican's are generally Catholic, and seem to assimilate more readily than Middle-Eastern folk.

It's funny to hear all the political banter about illegal immigration in the United States these days, because anyone who lives in the South-West part of the Country could have told you it was an issue 20 years ago. My GF is half Mexican, so our kids will technically be Latino. If you can't beat em, join em? :oldlol:



I personally have no problem with immigration, as long as the immigrants work hard, obey the laws, and learn the language.

[poido123]

Uhh you understand that this was exactly the Western policy for the last 100 years? When they created borders around different people and instated opressive regimes to keep them all in one place?

You're saying the West shouldn't adjust this colossal failure of a policy?
:biggums:



That's your spin on the occupation, but not everyone would agree with that interpretation.

What borders do you speak of? You can't cage them in, but you can certainly make them accountable when they do decide to get up and look for a better country to live in. Oppressive regime? For a moment I thought you brought up fundamentalist Muslim culture. I agree that going in there did not work, there was no need to go in there in the first place however hindsight is easy work.

Honestly, there was nothing to gain out of meddling in the Middle East. If it was about oil, the US could certainly of found other alternatives to find it. There are huge reserves in Africa they could of tapped into...

Not only make the people accountable, but the countries in which are directly responsible in the Middle east for taking in these refugees. I'm looking at you Saudi, Qatar, Kuwait and other buck passing arab countries...Put it back on them. Do a through check of each of the migrants and assign them to each appropriate country in which their Muslim origin best integrates. Ie put Sunni Muslim in a Sunni Muslim country and so on and so on.

[Akrazotile]

That's your spin on the occupation, but not everyone would agree with that interpretation.

What borders do you speak of? You can't cage them in, but you can certainly make them accountable when they do decide to get up and look for a better country to live in. Oppressive regime? For a moment I thought you brought up fundamentalist Muslim culture. I agree that going in there did not work, there was no need to go in there in the first place however hindsight is easy work.

Honestly, there was nothing to gain out of meddling in the Middle East. If it was about oil, the US could certainly of found other alternatives to find it. There are huge reserves in Africa they could of tapped into...

Not only make the people accountable, but the countries in which are directly responsible in the Middle east for taking in these refugees. I'm looking at you Saudi, Qatar, Kuwait and other buck passing arab countries...Put it back on them. Do a through check of each of the migrants and assign them to each appropriate country in which their Muslim origin best integrates. Ie put Sunni Muslim in a Sunni Muslim country and so on and so on.


It was not just about oil. It was about a justification for feeding the US military machine, running up the deficit to line the pockets of special interests, creating a continuous external enemy/threat etc.

Thats what Seltember 11 was really all about.

Oh, I mean "Operation Iraqi Freedom"

[poido123]

The U.S. has been experiencing mass immigration from Mexico for 30 years. The difference is that Mexican's are generally Catholic, and seem to assimilate more readily than Middle-Eastern folk.

It's funny to hear all the political banter about illegal immigration in the United States these days, because anyone who lives in the South-West part of the Country could have told you it was an issue 20 years ago. My GF is half Mexican, so our kids will technically be Latino. If you can't beat em, join em? :oldlol:



I personally have no problem with immigration, as long as the immigrants work hard, obey the laws, and learn the language.



Yep. The religious value and beliefs is the big issue.


Australia had a big influx of different migrants in the 60s brought in to work etc, they were able to adapt and fit in because their religious background didn't prevent them from accepting their new country's beliefs and values. Culture is the other part of it, but it usually comes down to how progressive the individual is or if they are fundamentalist in thinking.

Islam in the Western/European world? Big problems.

Polar opposites on beliefs and values. Combine that with a fundamentalist muslim and there will be clashes everywhere.

[poido123]

It was not just about oil. It was about a justification for feeding the US military machine, running up the deficit to line the pockets of special interests, creating a continuous external enemy/threat etc.

Thats what Seltember 11 was really all about.

Oh, I mean "Operation Iraqi Freedom"


and of course powerful gun corporations who profit off wars and conflict...

[poido123]

Why do you always try to use soapbox guilt trips to undermine the very country you live in, and other similar countries?

I'm trying to understand what you get from it.

We dont have any obligation to anyone because of what previous generations have done. While we neednt seek to opress anyone, we also have no obligation to appease, accommodate, or adjust to foreign countries or foreign immigrants.

It's okay to tell people "sorry, we like things our way, we're sticking to it, go away, goodbye."

You seem to want to be the international robin hood. The unilateral dispenser of global economic equality and justice. Why? For what? Why dont you worry about the living conditions and social systems in your country, where most people dont want an influx of immigrants, and let these people handle their business in their own countries and try to make them a better place?

Why are you always trying to destabilize western countries with your absurd liberal extremism? Does it make you feel smart? Or like youre somehow more righteous? Theres no clear, logical, evolutionary reason for you to be this up in arms over excessive accommodation of foreign people you have nothing to do with. I think youre confused about yourself and the world and looking for answers? Maybe crying out as the robin hood hero is what makes sense to you right now. You remind me of phantom creep in that you both have that overzealous, 19-year-old-liberal mentality. That "Immortal Technique" complex where you just started to think of stuff, or discover something, and you have to run and tell everyone with immense pretention how you have all the self righteous answers.

Hopefully with time and a little life experience youll mature some.



We have plenty of these lefties in my country. I just hope they are as willing to show their compassion in a real sense by actually taking in these "refugees" personally as a sign of their cause.

I'd even settle for an apology after the "I told you so" when the country is eventually fcked over by our unsustainable compassion.


:confusedshrug:

[9erempiree]

That's your spin on the occupation, but not everyone would agree with that interpretation.

What borders do you speak of? You can't cage them in, but you can certainly make them accountable when they do decide to get up and look for a better country to live in. Oppressive regime? For a moment I thought you brought up fundamentalist Muslim culture. I agree that going in there did not work, there was no need to go in there in the first place however hindsight is easy work.

Honestly, there was nothing to gain out of meddling in the Middle East. If it was about oil, the US could certainly of found other alternatives to find it. There are huge reserves in Africa they could of tapped into...

Not only make the people accountable, but the countries in which are directly responsible in the Middle east for taking in these refugees. I'm looking at you Saudi, Qatar, Kuwait and other buck passing arab countries...Put it back on them. Do a through check of each of the migrants and assign them to each appropriate country in which their Muslim origin best integrates. Ie put Sunni Muslim in a Sunni Muslim country and so on and so on.

Wealthy Arab nations don't want them. Just like why the Chinese hate the Japanese and Persians hate Afghans. While they have similar beliefs, they are still very different in terms of culture. The Saudis and the people of Qatar, while Muslim, are still very materialistic. They could careless for another 3rd world Muslim. As mentioned, they don't want them in their country while many European countries are dying for immigrants to help with population growth and economical growth. Remember after the World Wars, when all the German men/soliders were killed? The Germans invited a bunch of Turkish.

Whether they know it or not but they are contributing to the rise of the Muslim world by accepting refugees and immigrants to help their dying country.

The western world also have their agendas too.

[poido123]

The U.S. has been experiencing mass immigration from Mexico for 30 years. The difference is that Mexican's are generally Catholic, and seem to assimilate more readily than Middle-Eastern folk.

It's funny to hear all the political banter about illegal immigration in the United States these days, because anyone who lives in the South-West part of the Country could have told you it was an issue 20 years ago. My GF is half Mexican, so our kids will technically be Latino. If you can't beat em, join em? :oldlol:



I personally have no problem with immigration, as long as the immigrants work hard, obey the laws, and learn the language.



This would better be described as an "economical and social bombing/sabotage"

Masses of people who arrive with a bucketload of problems and nothing to offer. Most of them will suck off welfare(UK, Australia, French stats)

[Akrazotile]

and of course powerful gun corporations who profit off wars and conflict...

The issue for me, in America, and where I clash with liberals is that I realize a few internet warriors are never gonna keep big $$ interests in check. These guys think crying and begging the government to help is actually gonna stop the system from being manipulated. No, the govt will PRETEND to help, but actually work with the interests in less obvious ways.

The only way to counteract these things is by the force of numbers American voters COULD represent. But we have such hugely ignorant sections of populations who dont pay attention to SHIT, and these are the people that inevitably hold us back, and enable shady policies to fester. But liberals neverrrrrrrrr want to address the shortcomings of the average pleb. Of the proletariat. They are always focused on crying tears and shitting their pants over the big bad corporations. Corporations dont care if some liberal f@ggot is pissing his pants over what they do, bc for everyone of him there are 10 sheep out there who arent paying attention at all and will just ensure the continued status quo.

The shit is all fukked up tbh. Thats how its always been tho. Society is a pyramid and the idiot base is at the bottom. Thas how it goes.

[poido123]

Wealthy Arab nations don't want them. Just like why the Chinese hate the Japanese and Persians hate Afghans. While they have similar beliefs, they are still very different in terms of culture. The Saudis and the people of Qatar, while Muslim, are still very materialistic. They could careless for another 3rd world Muslim. As mentioned, they don't want them in their country while many European countries are dying for immigrants to help with population growth and economical growth. Remember after the World Wars, when all the German men/soliders were killed? The Germans invited a bunch of Turkish.

Whether they know it or not but they are contributing to the rise of the Muslim world by accepting refugees and immigrants to help their dying country.

The western world also have their agendas too.



Line in the sand.

You WILL take X amount of Sunni Muslims or...military action will be taken


The EU did this to European nations just recently...However different as those nations have agreement to be governed by the EU.


All I'm saying is, these Middle Eastern countries had no problem playing hard ball by passing the responsibility onto us. Put it back. It belongs with them.

[Akrazotile]

The need to replace diminishing populations is understandable, but the trepidation about inviting radical muslims into your country is also understandable.

Western countries should consider simply outlawing Islam, and saying "If you want to come and assimilate, come over, if you dont then stay out."

This will have people like the ACLU crying about religious freedom, but to them I will say this: Our US Constitution gaurantees the right to bare arms in the second amendment. Cut and dry. Yet weve taken steps to adapt it to our needs by banning certain kinds of assault rifles, requiring various permits, putting on restrictions etc. The left seems to have no problem with that.

These governments should say "Our countries were founded on Judeao-Christian values and that's what we'll accept. If you dont wanna do religion, thats fine too. Or if youre buddhist, not a big deal. But Islam is too divisive, too radical. We wont permit it."

And let these people decide what matters most to them.

[TheMan]

Poido, 9er, would you accept Syrians as long as they can prove without a shadow of a doubt that they're Christian?

[poido123]

Poido, 9er, would you accept Syrians as long as they can prove without a shadow of a doubt that they're Christian?


I've already made point of this.

I want no form of fundamentalism from any religion.


a lot depends on the host country. If they are formed around a Christian belief system and values? You should only expect to tow the line based on that country's desires.


Full stop. No questions asked.

[TheMan]

How bout we trade some American Muslims for some Arab Christians :lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Hfz_3thVbM&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Threat of terrorism would go way down :coleman:

[NumberSix]

Poido, 9er, would you accept Syrians as long as they can prove without a shadow of a doubt that they're Christian?
I personally advocate that western countries should take every single one of them.

[poido123]

Another thing I was pondering today...


We have to apply a new set of rules in today's climate. We are not dealing with a clear and direct enemy as such(depending the side you're on).

Pre emptive action is often inaccurate and has the ability to group in innocent people. For the sake of national security, I don't think there is any other action you can take when the "enemy" plays dirty tactics. i.e.. piggy backing desperate refugees via a "trojan Horse" to infiltate a country.


Taking no action is worse. Acting on guilt and compassion is inevitably crippling a country's ability to function properly economically.


Do we continue to allow fundamentalist muslims to dodge, deceive and manipulate their way to ultimately take care of the infidel?


All I'm saying is, a simple NO is the first and only action when it comes to these migrants. Until they can prove they are not a threat, they should not be deemed a respectable "refugee" status. Not lunging into a numbers commitment and ignoring the potential threat of these individuals?

Surely we have smarter people in power than that :hammerhead:

[poido123]

How bout we trade some American Muslims for some Arab Christians :lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Hfz_3thVbM&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Threat of terrorism would go way down :coleman:



Funny enough, you would get branded "racist" for this comment :lol

It's the truth, but like others have said, corrupt parts of our government sees dollar signs with incoming migrants.

Some type of other agenda.

[TheMan]

I personally advocate that western countries should take every single one of them.
Me too. I saw a piece on 60 Minutes last Sunday on Christians in the ME and they literally are an endangered peoples. Pretty sad actually. I'm not religious but I'm honestly partial to Christians, after all my wife insists on raising our kids as Catholics, we even have them going to a private Catholic school.

[NumberSix]

Me too. I saw a piece on 60 Minutes last Sunday on Christians in the ME and they literally are an endangered peoples. Pretty sad actually. I'm not religious but I'm honestly partial to Christians, after all my wife insists on raising our kids as Catholics, we even have them going to a private Catholic school.
Well, it's not even about them being Christians. It's because they're actually being persecuted. They're not poor people pretending to be refugees so they can get into rich countries. They're systematically being ethnically cleansed. If we don't get them out of there and take them in, they're not going to have a chance.

[TheMan]

Well, it's not even about them being Christians. It's because they're actually being persecuted. They're not poor people pretending to be refugees so they can get into rich countries. They're systematically being ethnically cleansed. If we don't get them out of there and take them in, they're not going to have a chance.
Yeah, that's what I meant.

One family was threatened by Islamic thugs by going after their 10 y.o. daughter, telling the father that if they didn't convert to Islam, they were going to take his daughter. Made me sick to my stomach. You can't live with radicals and unfortunately, Islam has no shortage of those idiots.

The West should be ashamed of themselves for not helping out and letting them live in peace in a country that won't bother them for being Christians. :facepalm

[TheMan]

Here's the 60 Minutes piece I saw last Sunday.

Can you imagine if the shoe was on the other foot and it was a Christian militant group doing this to Muslims?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpWJjPOPip4&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[Trollsmasher]

that would work, but you need to realize that our dear leaders want these people to come

the "working population" myth has been mentioned but there is another thing

at this point, it's largely clear that the european integration has failed - the national ties are too strong and the nation states are seeing the largest resurgence of patriotism and nationalism since probably WW2 - in short, Brussels realized that Czech will always be Czech first and European second and so on

what they want to do is bring in new people, with no previous ties to Europe, people who will be grateful and faithful to the institution of EU exclusively - thus creating the first actual European Citizens, leaving the old, undesirable natives as a second class citizens who will eventually die out, and thus finally finishing the dream of European Union

it's quickly gonna become the largest attempt of the social engineering in the history and it will end badly, because our dear neomarxist leaders and messiahs don't realize that just like Pole will always be a Pole first, a muslim will always be a muslim first... and that conviction is actually far stronger with them than with us

[StephHamann]

Uhh you understand that this was exactly the Western policy for the last 100 years? When they created borders around different people and instated opressive regimes to keep them all in one place?

You're saying the West shouldn't adjust this colossal failure of a policy?
:biggums:

100 years ago the Middle East was controlled by the Ottoman Empire. They also created borders around different people and instated oppressive regimes to keep them all in one place.

2000 years ago the Romans did the same thing in the Middle East.

B b b but the West created all evil in the world, my dick is very small.

[9erempiree]

A big reason why Germany is accepting immigrants and not because they really really care about refugees.

Germany becomes land with the lowest birthrate in the world


German Chancellor Angela Merkel's government has not been remiss in encouraging Germans to make more babies and setting aside funds for that purpose. But the government appears unable to reverse the trend.

Analysts said the problem could be due to a variety of factors including insufficient infrastructure, such as not enough daycare centers, and workplace conditions not conducive for working mothers.

A study released on Friday by the Hamburg Institute for International Economics in coordination with German auditing firm BDO showed that an average of 8.2 children were born per 1,000 citizens over the past five years in the European nation.

With this low figure, Germany has passed Japan as the country with the lowest birthrate. The East Asian country, long known for its ageing population, recorded 8.4 live births per 1,000 citizens from 2008 to 2013.



http://www.christiantoday.com/article/fast.shrinking.country.germany.becomes.land.with.t he.fewest.babies.in.the.world/55008.htm

[StephHamann]

A big reason why Germany is accepting immigrants and not because they really really care about refugees.

Germany becomes land with the lowest birthrate in the world





http://www.christiantoday.com/article/fast.shrinking.country.germany.becomes.land.with.t he.fewest.babies.in.the.world/55008.htm

That's genocide btw.

[NumberSix]

It's largely a matter of the welfare state ideology. In order to have a welfare state, you MUST have a lot more young people than old people.

A simple fact of life is, if the government is going to pay for people after they retire, you need to have a lot more younger working people paying in than the older people taking out. But the problem is, the population has to keep expanding so that when those people get old, the younger population is much larger than the older. But the population simply can't rapidly expand forever. One trick is to have illegals who work, but don't get to collect when they're older. That's one way to offset the numbers.

The welfare state is just a disaster. It used to be that you had a normal life, had kids, grew older, retired and when you ritire, you move in with your kids who are now working adults.

[TheMan]

It's largely a matter of the welfare state ideology. In order to have a welfare state, you MUST have a lot more young people than old people.

A simple fact of life is, if the government is going to pay for people after they retire, you need to have a lot more younger working people paying in than the older people taking out. But the problem is, the population has to keep expanding so that when those people get old, the younger population is much larger than the older. But the population simply can't rapidly expand forever. One trick is to have illegals who work, but don't get to collect when they're older. That's one way to offset the numbers.

The welfare state is just a disaster. It used to be that you had a normal life, had kids, grew older, retired and when you ritire, you move in with your kids who are now working adults.
That's the way it should be. It's barbaric to dump your parents off to the old folks home.

[Nick Young]

A big reason why Germany is accepting immigrants and not because they really really care about refugees.

Germany becomes land with the lowest birthrate in the world





http://www.christiantoday.com/article/fast.shrinking.country.germany.becomes.land.with.t he.fewest.babies.in.the.world/55008.htm
The Germans and Japanese are like pandas.

Driving themselves in to extinction.

[kNIOKAS]

Why do you always try to use soapbox guilt trips to undermine the very country you live in, and other similar countries?

I'm trying to understand what you get from it.

We dont have any obligation to anyone because of what previous generations have done. While we neednt seek to opress anyone, we also have no obligation to appease, accommodate, or adjust to foreign countries or foreign immigrants.
Well if we had opressed and interfered with foreign countries and foreign immigrants, it's only right that we would try to help them now and at least mitigate some of the damage.
Karma doesn't work in a way where then it comes you just say "sorry I don't have this obligation to be responsible, it was somebody else from my country".



It's okay to tell people "sorry, we like things our way, we're sticking to it, go away, goodbye."

You seem to want to be the international robin hood. The unilateral dispenser of global economic equality and justice. Why? For what? Why dont you worry about the living conditions and social systems in your country, where most people dont want an influx of immigrants, and let these people handle their business in their own countries and try to make them a better place?
Well perhaps because those Middle East countries have been robbed off, and the Western countries built their wealth on the account of easterners? Wouldn't it be fair to pay it back?


Why are you always trying to destabilize western countries with your absurd liberal extremism? Does it make you feel smart? Or like youre somehow more righteous? Theres no clear, logical, evolutionary reason for you to be this up in arms over excessive accommodation of foreign people you have nothing to do with. I think youre confused about yourself and the world and looking for answers? Maybe crying out as the robin hood hero is what makes sense to you right now. You remind me of phantom creep in that you both have that overzealous, 19-year-old-liberal mentality. That "Immortal Technique" complex where you just started to think of stuff, or discover something, and you have to run and tell everyone with immense pretention how you have all the self righteous answers.

Hopefully with time and a little life experience youll mature some.
I tell you what's right and you tell me that is "self righteous". Well, still better than "self wrong" I guess?




That's your spin on the occupation, but not everyone would agree with that interpretation.
I bet, because people like to deceive themselves into thinking that there's nothing wrong with how they get rich, it's only something's wrong with the poor people.


What borders do you speak of? You can't cage them in, but you can certainly make them accountable when they do decide to get up and look for a better country to live in. Oppressive regime? For a moment I thought you brought up fundamentalist Muslim culture. I agree that going in there did not work, there was no need to go in there in the first place however hindsight is easy work.
The borders of countries..? Nobody should be caged in the countries they have been born in, where regimes opress the people and foreign powers constantly tamper with their resources and well-being.

If anything, those people should be held accountable for not going to other countries earlier, but I guess then the West should be accountable for quelching multiple rebellions when the people tried to overthrow their opressors and live for themselves (or get out).


Honestly, there was nothing to gain out of meddling in the Middle East. If it was about oil, the US could certainly of found other alternatives to find it. There are huge reserves in Africa they could of tapped into...
Well that's bizzare. You think that nobody was behind the going to war to a country on the other side of the globe? Somebody made nice monies out of it, and they're happy the wars happened.


Not only make the people accountable, but the countries in which are directly responsible in the Middle east for taking in these refugees. I'm looking at you Saudi, Qatar, Kuwait and other buck passing arab countries...Put it back on them. Do a through check of each of the migrants and assign them to each appropriate country in which their Muslim origin best integrates. Ie put Sunni Muslim in a Sunni Muslim country and so on and so on.
Yes, but those countries have powerful lobbies, allies and a foot in the policies of the West. They will never do the right thing, because they don't care. They're OK living filthy rich and opressing everyone else.




100 years ago the Middle East was controlled by the Ottoman Empire. They also created borders around different people and instated oppressive regimes to keep them all in one place.

2000 years ago the Romans did the same thing in the Middle East.

B b b but the West created all evil in the world, my dick is very small.
Actually Ottomans was lax on the Middle East, and the common religion helped. They were ok with relative self-governance, as long as people stayed put. Also, they paid more attention to how the different peoples lived. Probably because they didn't have to split the cake between themselves another powers.

98 years ago the West carved up the Middle East into nonsensical regions, borders and countries, to be very precise about it.

[dunksby]

OP is still homeless it seems.

[UK2K]

The Germans and Japanese are like pandas.

Driving themselves in to extinction.
They should be more like Africa and Central America and breed uncontrollably.

It's interesting, how the dumbest and poorest people, least able to care for children, tend to have the most. That's a worldwide thing.

[TripleA]

They should be more like Africa and Central America and breed uncontrollably.

It's interesting, how the dumbest and poorest people, least able to care for children, tend to have the most.

Human instinct is to breed.

[UK2K]

Human instinct is to breed.

Yeah, even when you're starving and have 8 kids already, why not go for #9?

[TripleA]

Yeah, even when you're starving and have 8 kids already, why not go for #9?

I don't know as america became more industrialized the birth rate greatly lowered. Their is major overpopulation problems in major cities in Asia,Africa,central and South America. Someone should do a study.

[Nick Young]

They should be more like Africa and Central America and breed uncontrollably.

It's interesting, how the dumbest and poorest people, least able to care for children, tend to have the most. That's a worldwide thing.
In terms of survival of the species, yes, that is the way forward.

[knickballer]

The whole argument of migrants providing labor is overblown when you examine the fact many of the EU countries have mass unemployment. Italy something like 30% youth unemployment, Spain is higher, Greece even higher, etc. The argument should be to drive down wages so companies can exhort bigger profit margins but I don't think the public would be to happy with that..

As for the whole you need younger people to support the welfare system has a major flaw. The annual cost of attempting to integrate a migrant is going to be something like 30k annually. You'll end up making a bigger loss and the debt will get bigger.

The issue should be on developing the areas these people will leave because this migration crisis isn't going to stop now and it's only going to get worst in the next decades. The Middle East and African countries are experiencing record population growth and many of those countries have limited resources. Combine that with increasing political turmoil and conflicts one can logically see this is the beginning of it all. It's going to be a GOT scene where millions of white walkers are trying to go over the northern wall manned by a few under funded dudes thinking wtf.

[Trollsmasher]

Well if we had opressed and interfered with foreign countries and foreign immigrants, it's only right that we would try to help them now and at least mitigate some of the damage.
Karma doesn't work in a way where then it comes you just say "sorry I don't have this obligation to be responsible, it was somebody else from my country".


Well perhaps because those Middle East countries have been robbed off, and the Western countries built their wealth on the account of easterners? Wouldn't it be fair to pay it back?

I tell you what's right and you tell me that is "self righteous". Well, still better than "self wrong" I guess?




I bet, because people like to deceive themselves into thinking that there's nothing wrong with how they get rich, it's only something's wrong with the poor people.


The borders of countries..? Nobody should be caged in the countries they have been born in, where regimes opress the people and foreign powers constantly tamper with their resources and well-being.

If anything, those people should be held accountable for not going to other countries earlier, but I guess then the West should be accountable for quelching multiple rebellions when the people tried to overthrow their opressors and live for themselves (or get out).


Well that's bizzare. You think that nobody was behind the going to war to a country on the other side of the globe? Somebody made nice monies out of it, and they're happy the wars happened.


Yes, but those countries have powerful lobbies, allies and a foot in the policies of the West. They will never do the right thing, because they don't care. They're OK living filthy rich and opressing everyone else.




Actually Ottomans was lax on the Middle East, and the common religion helped. They were ok with relative self-governance, as long as people stayed put. Also, they paid more attention to how the different peoples lived. Probably because they didn't have to split the cake between themselves another powers.

98 years ago the West carved up the Middle East into nonsensical regions, borders and countries, to be very precise about it.
what a load of bullshit - Middle East ****ed over Europe far more over the course of the history than the other way around

also muh open borders

[poido123]

Why is it that the lefties want to help whatever is in the news?

I do recall there being a worldwide homeless crisis...

I'm still waiting to hear from one of the bleeding hearts as to their personal commitment to taking a family of refugees in.

Like the Pauk MJ flop compilation, I'll wait. :rolleyes:

[kNIOKAS]

what a load of bullshit - Middle East ****ed over Europe far more over the course of the history than the other way around

also muh open borders
That's irrelevant, even if I agreed with it (I don't). Two wrongs don't make a right, and there is no need to cause harm just because the harm was caused [to you] before.

Now for the point you're raising - I don't think that's true. Want to provide arguments?

[StephHamann]

That's irrelevant, even if I agreed with it (I don't). Two wrongs don't make a right, and there is no need to cause harm just because the harm was caused [to you] before.

Now for the point you're raising - I don't think that's true. Want to provide arguments?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Empire

[RidonKs]

Powers Dat Be love this shit. It keeps the focus off the in-house issues in the west that contribute to wealth disparity and corruption. And it works out perfectly for them that instead of putting up a united front that insists we push these people out and worry about our own business, there are tons of f@ggot emo liberals who vent their personal self esteem and emotional issues by rallying for these immigrants who would slit their throat in a dark alley if given the chance.

The losers in the west resent the western establishment. They welcome any disruption to it. EVEN at their own expense. Anything to spite the society thats full of people better than them. Anything to outlet that personal anguish and self loathing.

Irony is that in this case, it plays right into the hands of global financial powers.
it's not irony if its by design


this thread is absurd even if its well meaning

though i'm not sure anymore, i thought poido had come to his senses but it seems he didn't stop in time and went full circle

[poido123]

it's not irony if its by design


this thread is absurd even if its well meaning

though i'm not sure anymore, i thought poido had come to his senses but it seems he didn't stop in time and went full circle


I have to recallibrate my thinking on a lot of things I read and experience.

I'm not sure exactly where you think that I should sit as far as labels go, but be aware that I'm a realist too.

With the rising chaos and eventual civil wars, religious tensions will build and the good Muslims that we know will be forced into conforming to the radical interpretation of Islam.


I wish it were different, but that's the way I see the world heading.

The radical nazi leaders eventually got the conservatives on side. When the chaos hit, the conservatives were almost forced to fall in line.

I feel sorry for the good Muslims here and the ones I know, but one day they will be Islamic militants shooting at me.

[HeatFanSince88]

heres an idea.

how about whichever f@g wants to help them can do go travel to their country themselves and do it like like the missionaries do, rather than bringing millions and millions of these smelly immigrants to an already crowded europe.

that way we can solve the space problem as well creating more room by letting the modernliberal f@gs leave.

[Legends66NBA7]

Send them to Canada.

[bluechox2]

send them back to syria with guns and tanks...take back what was theirs...these are the people that should have been armed...