You can't double Lebron

[GIF REACTION]

He'll destroy your team

You can double shooters like Kobe and MJ

But you don't DARE double Lebron

Or you reap the consequences

[andgar923]

Uh... MJ DID find open players all the time.

They simply didn't hit the shots or the ball kept moving.

It was a different style of game, and the triangle required ball movement with multiple passes.

Even pre 'triangle offense' the ball moved at least once again after an MJ pass. One must also consider that there was less 3s being shot back then, so the lanes were crowded.

It's also not as tho MJ didn't pass, he averaged 6 assists for most of his career (his assist percentage dwindled later in his career). He also didn't hold the ball nearly as long as Bron.

Reason Bron doesn't get doubled as much is because you usually don't have to.

[LoneyROY7]

3Ball about to put this joker in a bodybag.

[Marchesk]

You couldn't double Cousy either.

[GIF REACTION]

You couldn't double Cousy either.
Can't snooze on the Cooze'

[Rockets(T-mac)]

Why would you double lebron?

[sdot_thadon]

It's a fair assessment, doubling lebron leads to him picking your defense apart. It's the best aspect of his game and the thing he deals with easiest. He scores enough to necessitate a double then once it happens the whole team gets good looks. Classic Lebron.

[plowking]

Why would you double lebron?

Because he drops 27-28ppg on you at a 50% clip.

[Sarcastic]

There's no need to when a single defender can shut him down.

[sdot_thadon]

There's no need to when good team defense can shut him down.
Think that's what you meant there.

[Papaya Petee]

There's no need to when a single defender can shut him down.

Yep a 27 PPG career regular season and 29 PPG playoffs player on great efficiency gets shut down by single coverage

[Lebron23]

There's no need to when a single defender can shut him down.


That''s why no one takes you in this forum seriously. Among non trolls. You are the most annoying poster in this forum. You don't know anything about basketball. You don't even play basketball..

[ImKobe]

Yep a 27 PPG career regular season and 29 PPG playoffs player on great efficiency gets shut down by single coverage

Depends on the defender and the players you have around him...

Put him in Jordan's era and remove the threat from 3pt land with teams being allowed to pack the paint and handcheck with much more contact allowed and put the best wing defender on him, you want to tell me it wouldn't be possible to shut him down, given that he doesn't have a reliable jump shot?

Y'all act like Jordan/Kobe didn't know how to pass out of double teams and make it really easy to score for their teammates...

[JT123]

That''s why no one takes you in this forum seriously. Among non trolls. You are the most annoying poster in this forum. You don't know anything about basketball. You don't even play basketball..
ether

[poido123]

There's no need to when a single defender can shut him down.



:oldlol:


Lebron might of erased the memories of wetting the bed in 2011, but he will never live this down.


Like seriously, what kind of alpha leader lets such poor defenders dare him to shoot and embarass him like that?

[poido123]

That''s why no one takes you in this forum seriously. Among non trolls. You are the most annoying poster in this forum. You don't know anything about basketball. You don't even play basketball..


He was purposely baiting you bro :oldlol:


Don't fall for it.

[sportjames23]

Why would you double lebron?


Beat me to it. Spurs showed you didn't need to. Hell, sometimes they wouldn't put anyone on Bron and he couldn't make an open jumper. :oldlol:

[Lebron23]

He was purposely baiting you bro :oldlol:


Don't fall for it.


No Bro. Even in some other threads. He loves to post some stupid train of thoughts. He's also a Derrick Rose, and Bulls hater.

[3ball]

It's a fair assessment, doubling lebron leads to him picking your defense apart.


If Lebron's 6.7 career APG in the playoffs equals "picking defenses apart", what does MJ's 5.7 equal?... It's gotta be pretty close to "picking the defense apart" too.

Btw, Lebron should be averaging more than 1 apg more than MJ, since he strips his teammates of their playmaking duties and hogs the playmaking all for himself - this is a statistical fact - Lebron lowers the APG and assist % of his teammates, while their assisted rate increases - he turns teammates from playmakers into play-finishers.. Otoh, MJ's style allows teammates to retain their playmaking duties - he increases the APG and assist % of his teammates.

Also, MJ has "picked defenses apart" more than Lebron ever has by averaging 11 apg in the 1991 Finals.. Lebron's never "picked defenses apart" like that.





He scores enough to necessitate a double... Classic Lebron


Classic troll - we all know didn't Kerr double-team Lebron.

Lebron hasn't been double-teamed since the 2012 Finals.. Teams don't double-team Lebron because either his scoring average or fg% doesn't warrant it.

[Coach Eddie]

He'll destroy your team

You can double shooters like Kobe and MJ

But you don't DARE double Lebron

Or you reap the consequences

But if you do single coverage, expect that FMVP hardware. :pimp:

[sportjames23]

3Ball about to put this joker in a bodybag.



If Lebron's 6.7 career APG in the playoffs equals "picking defenses apart", what does MJ's 5.7 equal?... It's gotta be pretty close to "picking the defense apart" too.

Btw, Lebron should be averaging more than 1 apg more than MJ, since he strips his teammates of their playmaking duties and hogs the playmaking all for himself - this is a statistical fact - Lebron lowers the APG and assist % of his teammates, while their assisted rate increases - he turns teammates from playmakers into play-finishers.. Otoh, MJ's style allows teammates to retain their playmaking duties - he increases the APG and assist % of his teammates.

Also, MJ has "picked defenses apart" more than Lebron ever has by averaging 11 apg in the 1991 Finals.. Lebron's never "picked defenses apart" like that.



Classic troll - we all know didn't Kerr double-team Lebron.

Lebron hasn't been double-teamed since the 2012 Finals.. Teams don't double-team Lebron because either his scoring average or fg% doesn't warrant it.


Welp. :oldlol:

[Papaya Petee]

Depends on the defender and the players you have around him...

Put him in Jordan's era and remove the threat from 3pt land with teams being allowed to pack the paint and handcheck with much more contact allowed and put the best wing defender on him, you want to tell me it wouldn't be possible to shut him down, given that he doesn't have a reliable jump shot?

Y'all act like Jordan/Kobe didn't know how to pass out of double teams and make it really easy to score for their teammates...
1.) Never said Kobe or Jordan cant pass out of doubles. Dont put words in my mouth. They just weren't as good at it as Lebron

2.) GTFO with this Lebron couldn't shoot BS. You are one of those people who watched no Miami games in 12-14. Lebrons jumpshot was money. Plus him being the fastest strongest biggest perimeter player in the NBA he lives for contact and would thrive just like he is now.

[ImKobe]

If Lebron's 6.7 career APG in the playoffs equals "picking defenses apart", what does MJ's 5.7 equal?... It's gotta be pretty close to "picking the defense apart" too.

Btw, Lebron should be averaging more than 1 apg more than MJ, since he strips his teammates of their playmaking duties and hogs the playmaking all for himself - this is a statistical fact - Lebron lowers the APG and assist % of his teammates, while their assisted rate increases - he turns teammates from playmakers into play-finishers.. Otoh, MJ's style allows teammates to retain their playmaking duties - he increases the APG and assist % of his teammates.

Also, MJ has "picked defenses apart" more than Lebron ever has by averaging 11 apg in the 1991 Finals.. Lebron's never "picked defenses apart" like that.



Classic troll - we all know didn't Kerr double-team Lebron.

Lebron hasn't been double-teamed since the 2012 Finals.. Teams don't double-team Lebron because either his scoring average or fg% doesn't warrant it.

Teams don't double team Bran on a consistent basis because he's willing to pass the ball and find an open teammate. You rather have him shoot the jump shot because his efficiency has been terrible outside the paint for most of his career,that and the fact that he hasn't been a threat in the post besides 2013 and 2014, when he bulked up and played the 4 position in Miami and was abusing stretch 4s on a nightly basis.

You let him dribble and you give him that space to make him feel confident to shoot that jump shot, as he's lucky to make 30% of his shots outside the paint at this point of his career.

[ImKobe]

1.) Never said Kobe or Jordan cant pass out of doubles. Dont put words in my mouth. They just weren't as good at it as Lebron

2.) GTFO with this Lebron couldn't shoot BS. You are one of those people who watched no Miami games in 12-14. Lebrons jumpshot was money. Plus him being the fastest strongest biggest perimeter player in the NBA he lives for contact and would thrive just like he is now.

He's had a few good years shooting the ball, but for the most of his career, his jump shot has been average/streaky at best.


He lives for the contact in this era because teams aren't allowed to handcheck and touch him on his way to the basket, he would be a lot less effective under the old rules.

[warriorfan]

He'll destroy your team

You can double shooters like Kobe and MJ

But you don't DARE double Lebron

Or you reap the consequences

You don't have to double team LeBron because he is not an efficient enough scorer in iso situations on high volume.

Watch the 2015 Finals.

[AnaheimLakers24]

No need wto double. He will lose in finals anyways

[imdaman99]

It's never been a game plan to double him, he is too willing a passer. Your best bet is getting an athletic guy who is strong on him and staying in front of him and forcing him to shoot over you. But eventually he will demand picks to free himself up and next thing you know, he has JJ Barea on him. That's when the magic happens minus 2011.

[GoatBoy]

Iggy and Kawhi both played single coverage on LeBron.

Iggy and Kawhi both won finals MVP mainly for their defense on LeBron.

:confusedshrug:

[34-24 Footwork]

1 Defender + 6 feet of Space = Double team for Lebron

[sd3035]

Why would you ever double a guy you can't beat single coverage?

[knicksman]

1.) Never said Kobe or Jordan cant pass out of doubles. Dont put words in my mouth. They just weren't as good at it as Lebron

2.) GTFO with this Lebron couldn't shoot BS. You are one of those people who watched no Miami games in 12-14. Lebrons jumpshot was money. Plus him being the fastest strongest biggest perimeter player in the NBA he lives for contact and would thrive just like he is now.

Lol. More like jordan play winning ball(offball) instead of 2/6 ball. Jordan can avg 10 apg if he wants to same with kobe. But they arent insecure coz they knew they are the best. so no need to sacrifice teamball for stats.

[Ai2death]

Really... a thread about this? No gifs/videos, no stats, no nothing... Why?

Do you have to try really hard to be retarded or does it just come naturally?
(Don't think to hard if you can't answer that question straight away)

[r0drig0lac]

It's never been a game plan to double him, he is too willing a passer. Your best bet is getting an athletic guy who is strong on him and staying in front of him and forcing him to shoot over you. But eventually he will demand picks to free himself up and next thing you know, he has JJ Barea on him. That's when the magic happens minus 2011.
:lol

[pauk]

Why would you double lebron?

Because he drops 27-31 ppg on you at a 50% clip when you double him & 10+ apg when you double to much.... Which is far less than 50-100 ppg he will drop if you dont double-triple-quadruple at least when he blows by, if you never send any help he will either blow by and/or power through that poor guy infront of him guaranteed every single time.... and im perfectly honest, this goes for Jordan or Kobe or Bird and many others aswell ofcourse.... if you dont have 1-4 guys diving in for contests/fouls/charges behind that single coverage then its literally 1on1, will be layups/dunks every single possession....

When Lebron picks the ball up notice how he immediately looks BEHIND his man all the time.... he either faces up his guy and all the time looking over/behind him to see if there is a free lane to the rim & if somebody "doubles" (leaves his man open) then lazer beam the ball to the open man..... if neither of those are at disposal then he will either settle for a jumpshot or more likely do what he prefers in that situation & that is to "test/trigger/force" the double team/help by starting to back down/post up his guy on his way all the way down to the rim... if they send help then one of his teammates are open (if there is no passing lane/angle then he will take the whatever shot there)... if there is nothing at all then he just backed down his ragdoll all the way from the 3pt line to right under the rim and laying it in....

[LikeABosh]

Double teaming Lebron= 30+ (draws way more fouls on double teams, attacks more), 10+ assists, wide open three every, blow out win

[sdot_thadon]

If Lebron's 6.7 career APG in the playoffs equals "picking defenses apart", what does MJ's 5.7 equal?... It's gotta be pretty close to "picking the defense apart" too.

Btw, Lebron should be averaging more than 1 apg more than MJ, since he strips his teammates of their playmaking duties and hogs the playmaking all for himself - this is a statistical fact - Lebron lowers the APG and assist % of his teammates, while their assisted rate increases - he turns teammates from playmakers into play-finishers.. Otoh, MJ's style allows teammates to retain their playmaking duties - he increases the APG and assist % of his teammates.

Also, MJ has "picked defenses apart" more than Lebron ever has by averaging 11 apg in the 1991 Finals.. Lebron's never "picked defenses apart" like that.



Classic troll - we all know didn't Kerr double-team Lebron.

Lebron hasn't been double-teamed since the 2012 Finals.. Teams don't double-team Lebron because either his scoring average or fg% doesn't warrant it.
All that hot air man, I'm starting to realize you don't really watch lebron play as much as fume when he does what he does. So by your estimation not a single double team since the finals In 2012?




I rest my case.

[I<3NBA]

There's no need to when a single defender can shut him down.
because shutting him down means limiting him to 20 ppg :lol

[Gileraracer]

You don't have to double LeBron.

27% Shooting with 35 shot attempts per game won't make you win a game anyway :lol

[sportjames23]

1 Defender + 6 feet of Space = Double team for Lebron


:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[AirFederer]

Yet in the 4th quarter you don't have to guard him at all :cheers:

[Asukal]

Double lebron? Nah, an iggy is enough to stop that flopper. :whatever:

39% bitches!

[sekachu]

He'll destroy your team

You can double shooters like Kobe and MJ

But you don't DARE double Lebron

Or you reap the consequences



I believe you just want to get attention for sake. You know 90% of the people will disagree the topic you make every times but you still keep doing this nonsense assumption. You made it boring dude

[HOoopCityJones]

I haven't seen Lebron get doubled since the 2012 Finals.


That Coach has since been fired btw.

[20Four]

I believe you just want to get attention for sake. You know 90% of the people will disagree the topic you make every times but you still keep doing this nonsense assumption. You made it boring dude
Don't mind him....he has nothing else better to do....think about it....he's a 40 year old virgin...no friends etc.....he does this just for attention because nobody gives 2 shit's about him....so he does these ridiculous threads just to have people talk to him.....sad life he lives......

[dh144498]

Well, according to history, single covering lebron and daring him to shoot is the best way to win the finals against him.

[Rocketswin2013]

Well, according to history, single covering lebron and daring him to shoot is the best way to win the finals against him.
Not quite.

[GIF REACTION]

Not quite.
They overreacting because Lebron's jumper was off last season

Single coverage is what they did in 2013 and 2014

And Lebron killed it in both series

The difference in the end was supporting cast differential

Had he had a healthy Cavs they would have won

[Hey Yo]

Classic troll - we all know didn't Kerr double-team Lebron.

Lebron hasn't been double-teamed since the 2012 Finals.. Teams don't double-team Lebron because either his scoring average or fg% doesn't warrant it.
[I]Curry

[ArbitraryWater]

:oldlol:


Lebron might of erased the memories of wetting the bed in 2011, but he will never live this down.


Like seriously, what kind of alpha leader lets such poor defenders dare him to shoot and embarass him like that?

http://i.imgur.com/LDt9j6U.gif

when do all these events so consistently happen? :biggums:

[dh144498]

http://i.imgur.com/LDt9j6U.gif

when do all these events so consistently happen? :biggums:


http://i.imgur.com/LDt9j6U.gif

[Sarcastic]

[QUOTE=Hey Yo][I]Curry

[LBJFTW]

He'll destroy your team

You can double shooters like Kobe and MJ

But you don't DARE double Lebron

Or you reap the consequences

There's no reason to double him. Pop found out that single coverage against him results in your team winning and the guy coving him to get finals mvp.

Then golden state tried it and the guy single covering Lebron also won finals mvp.

The consequence of doubling him is a finals loss, single coverage is all that's needed.

[3ball]

When James was double-teamed, the Cavaliers scored 5 points on 2-of-18 shooting (11 percent).


http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/106718/iguodala-heads-all-playoff-defensive-team


And you bozo's were saying??


If you're double-teamed a grand total of 3 times per game (18/6 = 3), and the rest of your 33 shot attempts are wide open clearouts and single -coverage, that means you weren't double-teamed.

Your post is the same thing as someone saying "Deandre couldn't hit any FT's tonight"... And you coming back and saying "yeah he did... he was 3-15 so he made 3".... And saying it with a straight face.

Btw bro, it just kills me when someone calls me a bozo... :kobe:

[GIF REACTION]

There's no reason to double him. Pop found out that single coverage against him results in your team winning and the guy coving him to get finals mvp.

Then golden state tried it and the guy single covering Lebron also won finals mvp.

The consequence of doubling him is a finals loss, single coverage is all that's needed.
Curry

[GIF REACTION]

If you're double-teamed a grand total of 3 times per game (18/6 = 3), and the rest of your 33 shot attempts are wide open clearouts and single -coverage, that means you weren't double-teamed.

Your post is the same thing as someone saying "Deandre couldn't hit any FT's tonight"... And you coming back and saying "yeah he did... he was 3-15 so he made 3".... And saying it with a straight face.

Btw bro, it just kills me when someone calls me a bozo... :kobe:
You can't measure double teams very effectively ever since the post 2001 removal of illegal defense

Soft zoning/doubles/sagging help defense aren't recorded on any stat sheet

Have to watch the games champ

[3ball]

When James was double-teamed, the Cavaliers scored 5 points on 2-of-18 shooting (11 percent).

http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/po...defensive-team


If you're double-teamed a grand total of 3 times per game (18/6 = 3), and the rest of your 33 shot attempts are wide open clearouts and single-coverage, that means you weren't double-teamed.

Your post is the same thing as someone saying "Deandre couldn't hit any FT's tonight"... And you coming back and saying "yeah he did... he was 3-15 so he made 3".... And saying it with a straight face.

[GIF REACTION]

If you're double-teamed a grand total of 3 times per game (18/6 = 3), and the rest of your 33 shot attempts are wide open clearouts and single-coverage, that means you weren't double-teamed.

Your post is the same thing as someone saying "Deandre couldn't hit any FT's tonight"... And you coming back and saying "yeah he did... he was 3-15 so he made 3".... And saying it with a straight face.
You can't measure double teams very effectively ever since the post 2001 removal of illegal defense

Soft zoning/doubles/sagging help defense aren't recorded on any stat sheet

Have to watch the games champ

[Hey Yo]

If you're double-teamed a grand total of 3 times per game (18/6 = 3), and the rest of your 33 shot attempts are wide open clearouts and single -coverage, that means you weren't double-teamed.

Your post is the same thing as someone saying "Deandre couldn't hit any FT's tonight"... And you coming back and saying "yeah he did... he was 3-15 so he made 3".... And saying it with a straight face.

Btw bro, it just kills me when someone calls me a bozo... :kobe:
Why make yourself look dumber?

Take the ruining as usual and walk away.

[3ball]

Soft zoning


Soft zoning (which is only allowed OUTSIDE the paint) makes it easier on the ballhandler because soft zoning allows the ballhandler to keep the ball in his hands.. Otoh, hard double-teams get the ball out of the ballhandler's hands..

Also, when there is no spacing and all 10 guys are bunched up together in the paint or on the strongside, zoning is automatic and double-teams are easier to execute because the defender doesn't have to come from as far away - here's an example of no spacing and players being bunched together, leading to automatic zones and easier double-teaming:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLDGm8pV6uU&t=6m40s





Soft zoning


Also, zone isn't allowed in the paint - defenders can't play halfway in the paint, due to the defensive 3 seconds rule.. To remain inside the 16 x 19 foot painted area, defenders must stay "within armslength" of their man (about 3 feet)..

"Armslength" is the strictest defense possible outside of having the defender stand shoulder-to-shoulder with his man or something ridiculous like that - and yet armslength is the requirement inside the huge 16 x 19 foot painted area, the most important area of the floor

Here's detail on the NBA's policy on paint defense (today's defensive 3 seconds rule compared to previous era's no-spacing and resulting legal paint-camping):

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11606624&postcount=406
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[GIF REACTION]

Double teaming is as much about prevention as it is about defending

The aim of a double team is usually to make it harder for the individual, and usually force them to pass the ball out of their hands.... Essentially to get the ball out of their hands

You are allowed to soft zone/sag/weak double now, and you can't quantify them like you could hard doubles in the 90's illegal defense era. Soft zones are usually enough to prevent and cause the ball to get out of their hands

[3ball]

Soft zoning


Soft zoning (which is only allowed OUTSIDE the paint) makes it easier on the ballhandler because soft zoning allows the ballhandler to keep the ball in his hands.. Otoh, hard double-teams get the ball out of the ballhandler's hands..

Also, when there is no spacing and all 10 guys are bunched up together in the paint or on the strongside, zoning is automatic and double-teams are easier to execute because the defender doesn't have to come from as far away - here's an example of no spacing and players being bunched together, leading to automatic zones and easier double-teaming:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLDGm8pV6uU&t=6m40s





Soft zoning


Also, zone isn't allowed in the paint - defenders can't play halfway in the paint, due to the defensive 3 seconds rule.. To remain inside the 16 x 19 foot painted area, defenders must stay "within armslength" of their man (about 3 feet)..

"Armslength" is the strictest defense possible outside of having the defender stand shoulder-to-shoulder with his man or something ridiculous like that - and yet armslength is the requirement inside the huge 16 x 19 foot painted area, the most important area of the floor

Here's detail on the NBA's policy on paint defense (today's defensive 3 seconds rule compared to previous era's no-spacing and resulting legal paint-camping):

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11606624&postcount=406
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[3ball]

Why make yourself look dumber?

Take the ruining as usual and walk away.


Dude, you just posted that Lebron was doubled-teamed 18 times the ENTIRE SERIES... You're the one that looks dumb.

MJ got doubled that much IN A SINGLE HALF... Let me refer you to this thread:

MJ was the most double teamed player in history (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=386210)

[GIF REACTION]

Double teaming is as much about prevention as it is about defending

The aim of a double team is usually to make it harder for the individual, and usually force them to pass the ball out of their hands.... Essentially to get the ball out of their hands

You are allowed to soft zone/sag/weak double now, and you can't quantify them like you could hard doubles in the 90's illegal defense era. Soft zones are usually enough to prevent and cause the ball to get out of their hands

You can't measure double teams very effectively ever since the post 2001 removal of illegal defense

Soft zoning/doubles/sagging help defense aren't recorded on any stat sheet

Have to watch the games champ

[3ball]

Have to watch the games champ


I don't have to watch shit - I can watch a game for 30 seconds and have a far better idea of what's going on than your entire life of watching games.. That's a fact, and that's what happens when you combine a corporate finance background and analytic ability with experience playing tons of NBA players and tons of other professionals and D1 players.

[Hey Yo]

Dude, you just posted that Lebron was doubled-teamed 18 times the ENTIRE SERIES... You're the one that looks dumb.

MJ got doubled that much IN A SINGLE HALF... Let me refer you to this thread:

MJ was the most double teamed player in history (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=386210)
That's because you posted "he hadn't been doubled since the 2012 Finals."

Like I said.....take the ruining as usual and walk away

[jayfan]

Good thing you don't need to.




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[knicksman]

I really feel bad for my boy bran. A young player in Curry had faced more doubles in his first finals than bran in his entire finals career. Curry too has been facing doubles once he enters the halfcourt while bran is being given 6 ft to shoot. I just cant take the embarassment anymore. I think its time to relinquish my fanboyism for bran