The hate against Lebron HAS to stop

[GIF REACTION]

The reality is he's the closest thing to MJ we've ever seen

Let's compare MJ and LJ's playoff stats

MJ:
33.4 PPG
.568 TS %
35.6 USG %
28.2 AST %

Lebron:
28.2 PPG
.565 TS %
32.1 USG %
33.4 AST %

- MJ clearly scores more at the same efficiency, but Lebron has a superior assist rate, whilst using less of the ball.

Here's where it gets interesting

MJ Box Plus Minus stats:
OBPM: +8.3
DBPM: +1.8

Total BPM of +10.1

Lebron Box Plus Minus stats:
OBPM: +7.3
DBPM: +3.2

Total BPM of +10.5

As far as statistical volume, MJ has played 179 playoff games and Lebron has played 178 playoff games.

Stop trolling guys. There really isn't much between these guys as individuals.

[GIF REACTION]

Inb4 the haters bring up team accomplishments and 2011 finals like it's worse to lose in the finals than in the first, second, or third rounds...

[theoneneo]

No! They hate will continue

[theoneneo]

The reality is he's the closest thing to MJ we've ever seen

Let's compare MJ and LJ's playoff stats

MJ:
33.4 PPG
.568 TS %
35.6 USG %
28.2 AST %

Lebron:
28.2 PPG
.565 TS %
32.1 USG %
33.4 AST %

- MJ clearly scores more at the same efficiency, but Lebron has a superior assist rate, whilst using less of the ball.

Here's where it gets interesting

MJ Box Plus Minus stats:
OBPM: +8.3
DBPM: +1.8

Total BPM of +10.1

Lebron Box Plus Minus stats:
OBPM: +7.3
DBPM: +3.2

Total BPM of +10.5

As far as statistical volume, MJ has played 179 playoff games and Lebron has played 178 playoff games.

Stop trolling guys. There really isn't much between these guys as individuals.

MJ is MILESSSSSSS ahead of Lebron. :biggums:

The hate for Bron will stop once you nerds stop overhyping him.

[GIF REACTION]

The stats actually show that Lebron has been a more impactful defender in both the regular season, and easily the post season

[Asukal]

2/6 bitches! suck it!

:party: :party: :party:

[Trollsmasher]

damn, LeBron is twice as good defender as MJ in the playoffs:biggums:

I knew he was better, but didnt think the difference was that big

[Akrazotile]

OP straight sprayin Raid on kids. Damn.


But I mean at the end of the day, Lebron will go on with his life as an NBA great, and the haters will have to go back to their same old lives with their same old problems.


Lebron James - Closest thing on the court to Jordan. Closest thing in the showers to Pippen.

The man is simply killin it at life. There's no use resisting it. Resistance is futile.

[GIF REACTION]

OP straight sprayin Raid on kids. Damn.


But I mean at the end of the day, Lebron will go on with his life as an NBA great, and the haters will have to go back to their same old lives with their same old problems.


Lebron James - Closest thing on the court to Jordan. Closest thing in the showers to Pippen.

The man is simply killin it at life. There's no use resisting it. Resistance is futile.
Massive meat = Massive feats

[dubeta]

Cosigned, the LeBron Family approves

[3ball]

.
Playoffs Thru Age 30:

Jordan: 34.7 PPG, 6.7 RPG, 6.6 APG, 2.3 SPG, 1.0 BLK, 25.4 FGA, 50.1 FG%, 29.6 PER
Lebron: 28.2 PPG, 8.8 RPG, 6.7 APG, 1.7 SPG, 0.9 BLK, 20.8 FGA, 47.3 FG%, 27.4 PER


Finals Thru Age 30:

Jordan: 36.3 PPG, 6.6 RPG, 7.9 APG, 2.0 SPG, 0.76 BPG, 52.6% FG, 40.7% 3 PT
Lebron: 26.4 PPG, 9.6 RPG, 6.9 APG, 1.8 SPG, 0.54 BPG, 44.6 FG%, 31.9% 3 PT



Career Playoff Averages:

Jordan: 33.4 PPG, 6.4 RPG, 5.7 APG, 2.1 SPG, 0.9 BLK, 25.1 FGA, 48.7 FG%, 28.6 PER
Lebron: 28.2 PPG, 8.8 RPG, 6.7 APG, 1.7 SPG, 0.9 BLK, 20.8 FGA, 47.3 FG%, 27.4 PER


Career Finals Averages:

Jordan: 33.6 PPG, 6.0 RPG, 6.0 APG, 1.8 SPG, 0.65 BPG, 48.1% FG, 36.8% 3 PT
Lebron: 26.4 PPG, 9.6 RPG, 6.9 APG, 1.8 SPG, 0.54 BPG, 44.6 FG%, 31.9% 3 PT


Source: basketball-reference.com



4th Quarter Scoring:


MJ 1997 Playoffs: 9.6
MJ 1998 Playoffs (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4): 9.0

MJ 1993 Finals: 10.7
MJ 1997 Finals: 10.4
MJ 1998 Finals: 10.3

FYI: MJ 1988 Regular Season (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=380784): 12.1


Lebron 2013 Playoffs: 7.4
Lebron 2014 Playoffs: 5.8
Lebron 2015 Playoffs: 8.1

Lebron 2011 Finals: 2.2
Lebron 2014 Finals: 3.6
.

[dh144498]

i love lebr0n's fat c0ck. Tore my azz up last night.

[dubeta]

LeBrons 2009 Playoff PER was the highest in NBA history




You cannot do a apples-to-apples raw stats comparison between MJ and LeBron since MJ played in a faster paced era and also played in a higher fg% era (worse defense)



Overall LeBron is the better playoff performer

[kennethgriffin]

1.5 for 6

[GIF REACTION]

Bingo Dubes.

The Box Plus Minus is such a good stat because it looks at the IMPACT of a player, in a net positive/minus style. When such and such player is on the court, what impact does it have on the score?

[3ball]

Bingo Dubes.

The Box Plus Minus is such a good stat because it looks at the IMPACT of a player, in a net positive/minus style. When such and such player is on the court, what impact does it have on the score?
If it's such a great stat, so why does clyde drexler have a higher box plus minus than Kareem?

why does barkley have a higher box plus minus than Magic and Bird?

why is Wade's higher than Duncan's and Shaq's and Hakeem's?

And on... and on... and on..

why is eddie jones higher than gary payton?... there are literally a million of these that make no sense.

[FreezingTsmoove]

2/6

Somehow found a way to make back to back finals boring as hell in a golden age of the NBA

Lost 4 in a row to lose 07 finals

Lost 3 in a row to lose 11 finals with statistically one of the most stacked teams of all time

Lost 3 in a row in 14 finals

Lost 3 in a row in 15 finals

[GIF REACTION]

Because Kareem, Magic, Bird, Duncan, Shaq, Hakeem all had good teams. Lebron hasn't had good teams and quality supporting casts until recently.

[dubeta]

2/6

Somehow found a way to make back to back finals boring as hell in a golden age of the NBA

Lost 4 in a row to lose 07 finals

Lost 3 in a row to lose 11 finals with statistically one of the most stacked teams of all time

Lost 3 in a row in 14 finals

Lost 3 in a row in 15 finals

Another butt-hurt heat fan :roll:

Face it your team is complete shit now

[sportjames23]

.
Playoffs Thru Age 30:

Jordan: 34.7 PPG, 6.7 RPG, 6.6 APG, 2.3 SPG, 1.0 BLK, 25.4 FGA, 50.1 FG%, 29.6 PER
Lebron: 28.2 PPG, 8.8 RPG, 6.7 APG, 1.7 SPG, 0.9 BLK, 20.8 FGA, 47.3 FG%, 27.4 PER


Finals Thru Age 30:

Jordan: 36.3 PPG, 6.6 RPG, 7.9 APG, 2.0 SPG, 0.76 BPG, 52.6% FG, 40.7% 3 PT
Lebron: 26.4 PPG, 9.6 RPG, 6.9 APG, 1.8 SPG, 0.54 BPG, 44.6 FG%, 31.9% 3 PT



Career Playoff Averages:

Jordan: 33.4 PPG, 6.4 RPG, 5.7 APG, 2.1 SPG, 0.9 BLK, 25.1 FGA, 48.7 FG%, 28.6 PER
Lebron: 28.2 PPG, 8.8 RPG, 6.7 APG, 1.7 SPG, 0.9 BLK, 20.8 FGA, 47.3 FG%, 27.4 PER


Career Finals Averages:

Jordan: 33.6 PPG, 6.0 RPG, 6.0 APG, 1.8 SPG, 0.65 BPG, 48.1% FG, 36.8% 3 PT
Lebron: 26.4 PPG, 9.6 RPG, 6.9 APG, 1.8 SPG, 0.54 BPG, 44.6 FG%, 31.9% 3 PT


Source: basketball-reference.com



4th Quarter Scoring:


MJ 1997 Playoffs: 9.6
MJ 1998 Playoffs (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4): 9.0

MJ 1993 Finals: 10.7
MJ 1997 Finals: 10.4
MJ 1998 Finals: 10.3

FYI: MJ 1988 Regular Season (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=380784): 12.1


Lebron 2013 Playoffs: 7.4
Lebron 2014 Playoffs: 5.8
Lebron 2015 Playoffs: 8.1

Lebron 2011 Finals: 2.2
Lebron 2014 Finals: 3.6
.


Aether.

[artificial]

Lebron being better or worse won't change who you are. If Lebron ends up being the GOAT or fades out to oblivion, it won't have any personal impact on you unless you are his manager or something.


I get a couple of threads trying to get more people to recognize your hero, but at this point it looks like you have nothing but Lebron in your brain.


:coleman:

[Paul George 24]

The reality is he's the closest thing to MJ we've ever seen

Let's compare MJ and LJ's playoff stats

MJ:
33.4 PPG
.568 TS %
35.6 USG %
28.2 AST %

Lebron:
28.2 PPG
.565 TS %
32.1 USG %
33.4 AST %

- MJ clearly scores more at the same efficiency, but Lebron has a superior assist rate, whilst using less of the ball.

Here's where it gets interesting

MJ Box Plus Minus stats:
OBPM: +8.3
DBPM: +1.8

Total BPM of +10.1

Lebron Box Plus Minus stats:
OBPM: +7.3
DBPM: +3.2

Total BPM of +10.5

As far as statistical volume, MJ has played 179 playoff games and Lebron has played 178 playoff games.

Stop trolling guys. There really isn't much between these guys as individuals.

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/9-05-2015/Ya6ji4.gif

[Paul George 24]

Inb4 the haters bring up team accomplishments and 2011 finals like it's worse to lose in the finals than in the first, second, or third rounds...
THE BEST PLAYER IN THE LEAUGE ????????????:roll: :roll:

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/9-05-2015/65FWzo.gif

[Paul George 24]

Another butt-hurt heat fan :roll:

Face it your team is complete shit now

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm
http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/9-05-2015/65FWzo.gif

[Paul George 24]

Because Kareem, Magic, Bird, Duncan, Shaq, Hakeem all had good teams. Lebron hasn't had good teams and quality supporting casts until recently.

BECAUSE JESUS DUN LIKE HIM :applause:
And dun accept him being the best player in the leauge today

[ScalsFan21]

THE BEST PLAYER IN THE LEAUGE ????????????:roll: :roll:

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/9-05-2015/65FWzo.gif

That was probably the most blatant non-call of the entire finals, and that's the gif you turn to?

[feyki]

Bingo Dubes.

The Box Plus Minus is such a good stat because it looks at the IMPACT of a player, in a net positive/minus style. When such and such player is on the court, what impact does it have on the score?

No , it's bad stat. If you are good player on a bad team , overrated for BPM . If you are goat tier player on a good team , underrated for BPM .

[TemporaMutantur]

Inb4 the haters bring up team accomplishments and 2011 finals like it's worse to lose in the finals than in the first, second, or third rounds...

Word, people here seem to always disregard the road to the finals, in the instance when one loses at the finals.

[JellyBean]

Nope. My Dislike for LeBron will continue. Instead of saying "Hate", which is a too strong of a word, I am going with "Dislike". My dislike will continue. :cheers:

[Mr. Jabbar]

i named my son lebron after the KING. that being said, he is nowhere near jordan, im the first to admit his choking habits have him perineal top 30 alll time :(

[red1]

It has been a priviledge. Let's just hope the next generation pans out to be half as good as bronze da gawd

[JT123]

I actually disagree with OP. All this hate from the Kobe and Jordan stans just proves that Lebron has got them shook and is living rent free.
:yaohappy: :hammertime:

[sportjames23]

I actually disagree with OP. All this hate from the Kobe and Jordan stans just proves that Lebron has got them shook and is living rent free.
:yaohappy: :hammertime:


LOL, Bron stans make more MJ and Kobe threads than MJ and Kobe fans (with the exception of kenneth).

Who living rent free now?

[DonDadda59]

LOL, Bron stans make more MJ and Kobe threads than MJ and Kobe fans (with the exception of kenneth).

Who living rent free now?

Exactly. The usual day to day goes like- ImStillBallin or one of his many alts makes a thread about Lebron vs MJ, then myself or 3Ball or whichever Jordan Family member is on duty at that particular time goes in and lays waste, killing anything in site that moves. Then Dubeta comes out of left field and tries to salvage anything he can.

Rinse and Repeat.

[LBJFTW]

I'm the biggest Bron fan on here and even I know that the guy is vastly inferior to Jordan and always will be. I may never have been worthy enough to have been born in the best time to watch Jordan play in real life, but I know greatness and a superior era of basketball when I see replays of the games. The only people that put Bron anywhere near Jordan are this who want him to tear up their tight little a55hole.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

I'm the biggest Bron fan on here and even I know that the guy is vastly inferior to Jordan and always will be. I may never have been worthy enough to have been born in the best time to watch Jordan play in real life, but I know greatness and a superior era of basketball when I see replays of the games. The only people that put Bron anywhere near Jordan are this who want him to tear up their tight little a55hole.
:eek: :eek: :eek:
LBJ fan from near playoff 2010 season where Cavs were favorites:eek: :eek:
glad to hear another honest Bran fan:applause: :applause:

[Mr. Jabbar]

:eek: :eek: :eek:
LBJ fan from near playoff 2010 season where Cavs were favorites:eek: :eek:
glad to hear another honest Bran fan:applause: :applause:

more and more of us lebron STANS are coming out honest, we root for a balding choker we get it, but no need to rub it on our faces...geez..

[LBJFTW]

I thought this guy had it, but he's just a choking mental midget colluding cancer that will never amount to anything but an equation that has 2 as the numerator.

[Asukal]

Leave bran alone. He has no time to waste, his ultimate goal is to win a championship. He recruited as many role players and star players he can to help him out. Our gawd knows the window is closing and he doesn't care about his finals stats he put up coz he was in his own words "INEFFICIENT". How great is our gawd! Hail to the king! :bowdown:

Btw, who you guys picking for fmvp this year? I hope iggy takes it again. :oldlol:

[LBJFTW]

any role player that single covers bron in this years finals will win it, as usual

[Megabox!]

I thought this guy had it, but he's just a choking mental midget colluding cancer that will never amount to anything but an equation that has 2 as the numerator.
The butthurt is real

[Coach Eddie]

Stats are nice, but they don't show how LeBron has shied away from big moments that Jordan and other all time greats have not shied away from.

[Straight_Ballin]

Stats are nice, but they don't show how LeBron has shied away from big moments that Jordan and other all time greats have not shied away from.

The stat that defines his big moment performance is 2/6.

[dubeta]

LOL at 1-9 stans complaining about 2/6

[kennethgriffin]

LOL at 1-9 stans complaining about 2/6


https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/609180789339766785/vhZ2dA9m_400x400.jpg



2 out of a possible 6 inches

1 out of a possible 9 women he's actually slept with

[artificial]

https://i.imgflip.com/rreh3.jpg

[34-24 Footwork]

Article on Bleacher report saying that Iggy is helping Lebron work on his scoring from beyond 5 ft during the off season. Iggy is a good dude. Real talk.

[34-24 Footwork]

Haven't season him make 4 jumpers in a row...ever. Iggy will change that, surely.

What an awesome era :applause: :applause:

[Akrazotile]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/609180789339766785/vhZ2dA9m_400x400.jpg



2 out of a possible 6 inches

1 out of a possible 9 women he's actually slept with


Debunked already bro

[diamenz]

the stats are close i guess, but mj is miles ahead. if you can't see that then you're either a stan or just too young and naive to understand... well i guess those two go hand in hand.

[pauk]

Nobody hates Lebron... its more like envy, jelousy, insecurity or simply rooting against him in honor of ones prejudice which is being a hardcore fan of a rival team Lebron threatens or a player Lebron threatens either today in the league or... all time...

[pauk]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/609180789339766785/vhZ2dA9m_400x400.jpg


123 points through first 3 Finals games, most all time + the D flash...

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/o-face.gif

[Lebron23]

Hates are going to shut up when he wins another NBA title next season. No more injuries for the Cavaliers this year.

Cavs vs. Rockets in the NBA Finals.

[Gileraracer]

"LBJ is a better defender" :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zK9wLWF8TXo

[GIF REACTION]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/609180789339766785/vhZ2dA9m_400x400.jpg



2 out of a possible 6 inches

1 out of a possible 9 women he's actually slept with
Incorrect


Hello ISH, I am your resident package master, and the only confirmed big daddy on InsideHoops. In this thread, I will use geometry and science to debunk the finals picture.


- Height: 6-7.25 (2003 draft at age 18) Wingspan: 7-0.25

What we do know by these body statistics, is that Lebron has a VERY large skeletal frame. And proven by studies, height has no correlation with package size.

If you take a look at this picture, you'll see that Lebron's arm sleeve takes up essentially 1/2 or even closer to 3/5 of his arm length

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2012/0319/nba_g_james1x_576.jpg

Lebron's arm length account for 4/5ths of Lebron's wingspan (Take out the shoulder width)

Doing the math, Lebron's arm length is roughly around 3 feet on both sides. His arms make up 6 feet of his wingspan, and the shoulder width makes up the rest.

Now knowing that Lebron's arm is 3 feet, we can then decipher how long his arm sleeve is. Knowing that the sleeve, takes up around 3/5ths of Lebron's 3 feet arm, we know that Lebron's arm sleeve, is roughly 1.8 feet.

I now want you to pay attention to this picture

http://i.imgur.com/LPxHKa9.png

-Take note that the white square is the original sized image of Lebron's package. The copy to the right is an upscaled 125% version. We do this because we are going to use his arm sleeve as a size reference, and his arm sleeve is actually CLOSER to the camera, which distorts the size. This is why in bodybuilding contests, they have a marked out line which you cannot go in front of, as it distorts size when comparisons are made.
-We then take the upscaled version of Lebron's junk, and compare it to the arm sleeve, which is about at a 140 degree angle.
-As you can see, it takes about 4 Lebron's to cover the shortened length of Lebron's arm, due to the angle at the elbow
-If we straighten his arm, it would take about 5 Lebron's to cover the length

KNOWING that Lebron's arm sleeve is 1.8 feet, we can divide this by 5, to get the official size of Lebron.

It come out to 0.36 feet, which is 4.32 inches

We then account for blood flow not being directed to the package, but the muscles. Scientists estimate that flaccid size decrease by about 30% during exercise, which means that Lebron is around 5.75 inches FLACCID.

This is higher than the global male average ERECT.

We can assume that Lebron has at least 8-9 inches of Erect meat

Thanks for your time, the finals picture has been debunked

[kamil]

The stats actually show that Lebron has been a more impactful defender in both the regular season, and easily the post season

That's because you cherry pick.

LeBron* is still a loser compared to MJ. 6/6 > 2/6.

Give it a rest.

[Magic 32]

2019

Lebron is 2/10 in the finals.

And OP is still raving like little girl.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41pAq8MFaEL.jpg

[Gileraracer]

Article on Bleacher report saying that Iggy is helping Lebron work on his scoring from beyond 5 ft during the off season. Iggy is a good dude. Real talk.

Iggy Azalea, right?

[feyki]

2/6 , 1/9 , 5 years old kid is say stuff like that.

Pippen averaged 9 points , 5 rib , 3 ast per game in 88 playoffs. Jordan 37-7-7 averaged per game in 88 playoffs and than people say ;

Jordan wasn't win w/out Pippen. It's laughable.


Jerry West lost 8 nba finals. And he's one of the greatest finals performer.

I hate Lebron but he's 12th my all time list. He probably will be between 6-9 all time at 2020. After Bill,Kareem,Jordan,Wilt,Mikan.

[dubeta]

Gif reaction has the entire forum on strings :lol

[dh144498]

seriously, people need to stop hating on Lebron. He has enough pressure already with the 2/6 stuff. No need to rub salt on an open wound.

:facepalm

[3ball]

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/9-28-2015/ew2ZUl.gif



seriously, people need to stop hating on Lebron. He has enough pressure already with the 2/6 stuff. No need to rub salt on an open wound.



Agreed, and Lebron says he needs 2 more months off, even though he only had to guard a low-motor, stand-still, predictable 16 ppg play-finisher in the Finals... What if he had to chase a much quicker, high motor, off-ball player around the court who averaged twice as much as Iggy (see gif above)?.. If Lebron had to guard that instead, he'd never have the energy to take 33 shots per game and he'd probably shoot worse than 39%.

Btw, show me one player in history that combines Reggie Miller/JJ Redick-type off-ball movement with goat athleticism... No one in today's game would ever take a shot like that or play like the gif shown above - not Westbrook, not Durant, Kobe, Lebron, Harden... nobody... Only MJ was a goat athletic, midrange version of Reggie Miller...

Also, today's spacing means players never have to elude defenders and take highly-sophisticated shots like the one above.. Instead, the spacing allows more rudimentary, boring shots to be available on every possession in today's game (drive-and-kick for 3-and-D.... :sleeping ).

[LBJFTW]

Yep, because they don't have to take elusive shots it just makes the game watered down in comparison to when Jordan played. Wish I could have watched Jordan play live. It would have been so sweet to have been born in the late 70's early 80's to witness Jordan's true greatness instead of today where a good player is considered to be Lebron James, a much more inferior player to Jordan. My generation of fans are nothing more than complete dumbasses who wouldn't know a good game of basketball if they saw one. Their idea of good ball is watching a roll player shut down LBj and take his MVP.