Big lebron fan here but why doesn't he have elite footwork?

[20Four]

Look at this:



http://i.imgur.com/AhFisb5.gif



Im a huge fan and I thought he was GOAT....but I dont think hes even top 100 anymore....

[LikeABosh]

Is that a door handle up to your ****ing chest?:roll: Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanlet

[dubeta]

Is that a door handle up to your ****ing chest?:roll: Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanlet


:roll: :roll: :lol

[KirbyPls]

Is that a door handle up to your ****ing chest?:roll: Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanlet

Cyanide. :eek: :lol :lol :lol

[JT123]

Because he plays basketball like a man and overpowers inferior players. Only weak players like Kobe try to play basketball like ballerinas. :lol

[DonDadda59]

Because he plays basketball like a man and overpowers inferior players. Only weak players like Kobe try to play basketball like ballerinas. :lol

Shaq overpowered every player he ever went up against and he still had infinitely better footwork than Bron.

[Marchesk]

http://i.imgur.com/AhFisb5.gif


Can't wait till ISH kids of the future get ahold of this.

[dubeta]

Shaq overpowered every player he ever went up against and he still had infinitely better footwork than Bron.


Jordan had infinitely better footwork than either of them, yet still ended up 1-9





There's more to basketball than prancing around like a f@ggot

[DonDadda59]

Jordan had infinitely better footwork than either of them, yet still ended up 6/6

:bowdown:


There's more to basketball than prancing around like a f@ggot

No need to get salty just because your boy doesn't have any skills.

[Marchesk]

Jordan had infinitely better footwork than either of them, yet still ended up 1-9

Ended?

http://img14.deviantart.net/38a9/i/2014/315/e/e/michael_jordan_6_rings_by_roshaneingram-d862plv.jpg

[sportjames23]

Jordan had infinitely better footwork than either of them, yet still ended up 1-9





There's more to basketball than prancing around like a f@ggot


This fakkit can't count. I know the educational system in our country has failed many, but shit. :facepalm

That's cool. No matter what, 2-6 still equals 2-6.

[ShawkFactory]

You're a big fan. Shouldn't you know?

[FKAri]

Why doesn't Shaq have Nash's FT shooting?

Why doesn't Jordan have Ray Allen's 3 point shooting?

Why is Durant a beta bitch?



Not everyone can have everything. That's life.

[Mawly-G]

Bron is bo-legged and kind of flat footed. Maybe that's why, lol.

[Marchesk]

To be fair, would you have good footwork with this?

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/P7kZOKUscWg/hqdefault.jpg

[Mawly-G]

To be fair, would you have good footwork with this?

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/P7kZOKUscWg/hqdefault.jpg

:lol :lol :lol

[20Four]

http://i.imgur.com/yY4vMQa.gif

[dubeta]

http://i.imgur.com/yY4vMQa.gif

That vert is crazy :biggums:





He literally jumped the equivalent of your height

[feyki]

Because he plays basketball like a man and overpowers inferior players. Only weak players like Kobe try to play basketball like ballerinas. :lol

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/AcTSdi0CQAAjG_3.jpg

[knicksman]

de;ete

[Cold soul]

Lebron footwork and post game for most part is bad.

[Rocketswin2013]

It actually isn't required to be an effective, or even dominant post player. Not elite footwork at least.

Footwork is for balance to create and get shots off. Not much of a problem for him in the post during his prime...

[3ball]

Look at this:

Im a huge fan and I thought he was GOAT....but I dont think hes even top 100 anymore....


http://i.imgur.com/AhFisb5.gif




^^^^ Unbelievable.. I think this is what Lebron was looking for:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/9-30-2015/8RKCxu.gif

[dubeta]

^^^^ Unbelievable.. I think this is what Lebron was looking for:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/9-30-2015/MrwABb.gif


Yes, but sadly, LeBron doesnt play in that era. A no zone defense with spacing is exactly what LeBron would want






A true isolation clearout, with 0 help, would be impossible in today's league



Meanwhile, today's sophisticated defenses limit penetration, and force teams to utilize the drive and kick

http://share.gifyoutube.com/m6orYV.gif

http://share.gifyoutube.com/yAVn1D.gif

[Hey Yo]

3ball ruined........again!

[3ball]

[I]Yes, but LeBron doesnt play in that era.




Exactly - in today's game, Lebron faces 0 help defenders on strongside or in paint when he starts his move:


http://i.imgur.com/AhFisb5.gif



Otoh, in the tougher eras, help defenders were in closer proximity by being on strongside and/or in paint:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/9-30-2015/8RKCxu.gif

[dubeta]

http://share.gifyoutube.com/Kr5r9w.gif



Hmm. nice gif, solid point. It shows how easy the clear-out style of play in the 80's was, offensive efficiency was high and so was fg%


It was a layup drill exercise in the 90's, beat your man, and get straight-line drives to the basket



otoh in todays no-spacing era, the zone defense forces players to pass-out

http://share.gifyoutube.com/mGpE10.gif


Watch - today's shading defense is the equivalent of having 2 defenders constantly guard you, with no open man

...
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a far-cry from the layup lines of the 80's

[Straight_Ballin]

Hmm. nice gif, solid point. It shows how easy the clear-out style of play in the 80's was, offensive efficiency was high and so was fg%


It was a layup drill exercise in the 90's, beat your man, and get straight-line drives to the basket



otoh in todays no-spacing era, the zone defense forces players to pass-out

http://share.gifyoutube.com/mGpE10.gif


Watch - today's shading defense is the equivalent of having 2 defenders constantly guard you, with no open man

...
..
a far-cry from the layup lines of the 80's

No open man yet a guy wide open at top of 3 point line. Lol nice try.

[ShaqTwizzle]

Footwork is largely a natural talent.
Some guys have it in spades. Some guys don't have it.

Look at Dwight. Worked with Hakeem many times but his footwork is still pretty mechanical and unimpressive. His fluidity is not that great.

Same thing for Ewing who was a very hard worker but never had that Hakeem or Shaq like grace in the post. Very mechanical.

Wilt also didn't overly impress me with his footwork in video I have seen but young Kareem had amazing footwork & fluidity.

So yeah its partially a natural talent.

[DonDadda59]

Hmm. nice gif, solid point. It shows how easy the clear-out style of play in the 80's was, offensive efficiency was high and so was fg%


It was a layup drill exercise in the 90's, beat your man, and get straight-line drives to the basket



otoh in todays no-spacing era, the zone defense forces players to pass-out

http://share.gifyoutube.com/mGpE10.gif


Watch - today's shading defense is the equivalent of having 2 defenders constantly guard you, with no open man

...
..
a far-cry from the layup lines of the 80's

This happened in the last finals, bruh (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OR7oP6NmfHQ)

Pure, unadulterated, isolation 1 on 1 clear out, everyone else on the other side of the court playground basketball.

Brony only shot 30% on shots that were contested by the 6'6" 215 lbs Andre Iguodala... My mistake, the 6'6" 215 lbs Finals MVP Andre Iguodala.

[3ball]

Footwork is largely a natural talent.


you don't know shit about basketball.. stfu and never post again

[3ball]

Today's zone


zone isn't allowed in the paint - defenders can't play halfway in the paint, due to the defensive 3 seconds rule.. To remain inside the 16 x 19 foot painted area, defenders must stay "within armslength" of their man (about 3 feet)..

"Armslength" is the strictest defense possible outside of having the defender stand shoulder-to-shoulder with his man or something ridiculous like that - and yet armslength is the requirement inside the huge 16 x 19 foot painted area, the most important area of the floor

Here's detail on the NBA's policy on paint defense (today's defensive 3 seconds rule compared to previous era's no-spacing and resulting legal paint-camping):

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11606624&postcount=406


Also, when there is no spacing and all 10 guys are bunched up together in the paint or on the strongside, zoning is automatic and double-teams are easier to execute because the defender doesn't have to come from as far away - here's an example of no spacing and players being bunched together, leading to automatic zones and easier double-teaming:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLDGm8pV6uU&t=6m40s
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[ShaqTwizzle]

you don't know shit about basketball.. stfu and never post again

Uhh... what?
How is footwork not largely a natural talent?

Like I said look at a guy like Dwight who worked with Hakeem but still is pretty mediocre in that respect.

Things like handles, fluidity/balance, footwork are all partially based on natural talent.
I mean Duncan could never handle the ball like Kyrie no matter how hard he practiced.
Karl Malone could also never handle the ball like Lebron.

Take that L dummy.
:kobe:

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Big Bran fan reportin in
his game is all power/athleticism. He has practically no fundamental/technical skills/ability

[3ball]

Uhh... what?
How is footwork not largely a natural talent?

Like I said look at a guy like Dwight who worked with Hakeem but still is pretty mediocre in that respect.

Things like handles, fluidity/balance, footwork are all partially based on natural talent.
I mean Duncan could never handle the ball like Kyrie no matter how hard he practiced.
Karl Malone could also never handle the ball like Lebron.

Take that L dummy.
:kobe:
You're not worth educating about the game... But just understand that it all depends on how the player developed as a youth.

[3ball]

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..............................................Spac ing


The stats show that teams attempted little or no 3-pointers in previous eras, so offensive players were not spacing the floor, including the weakside - with no weakside spacing, all 5 defenders remained on the strongside, and therefore closest to help on strongside action:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/7-30-2015/jkrR_v.gif



Otoh, today's game uses weakside spacing to reduce the number of strongside defenders.. Help defenders are now on the weakside and furthest from helping on strongside action:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/7-06-2015/uAh_p8.gif


Weakside spacing leaves the strongside with fewer defenders, which necessitates the flooding of defenders BACK TO the strongside - this is how strongside floods originated - weakside spacing necessitates strongside flooding.

Otoh, as the first GIF showed, weakside spacing didn't exist in previous eras, so defenders didn't need to leave the strongside.. With defenders remaining on the strongside, the strongside was already flooded and today's "strongside flood" strategy was not necessary.. 5-defender strongsides (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11128077&postcount=21) were standard.

These fully-flooded strongsides were a product of no-spacing and represented the "advanced" version of the game that included hand-checking, higher physicality, and legal paint-camping, and therefore requiring more sophisticated 2-point shooting ability.

This is a stark contrast to today's weakside spacing and resulting 1-defender strongsides (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=377570), which is basically the "beginner" version of the game that includes less strongside defenders, no hand-checking, no paint-camping, no physicality.. The highest levels of offensive sophistication (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11534471&postcount=108) simply aren't needed for the beginner version of the game.

Of course, when there's no spacing and all 10 guys are bunched up together in the paint or on the strongside, zoning is automatic and double-teams are easier to execute because the defender doesn't have to come from as far away - here's an example of no spacing and players being bunched together, leading to automatic zones and easier double-teaming:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLDGm8pV6uU&t=6m40s

[ShaqTwizzle]

You're not worth educating about the game... But just understand that it all depends on how the player developed as a youth.

While I agree that development as a youth factors in it still doesn't completely override natural talent.

You can have two guys as kids both practice dribbling or their footwork all the time and one can still end up far, far better.

I mean when Dwight was coming up in highschool every report we saw said he often played PG for his teams and that he had incredible handles/passing ability for a big guy.
They were talking like he was a bigger version of Magic.
How did that turn out?

Lebron also was dribbling the ball since he was a small child and was usually the psuedo-PG of his teams and yet his handles are worse then Kyries and others...

[3ball]

It's amazing how today's spacing necessitates gimmick defensive tactics that compromise the defense (i.e. strongside flooding, which doesn't get ball out of ballhandler's hands and leaves weakside a man down - but the move is a necessary gamble, otherwise the spacing gives strongside ballhandlers too much time and room when they have the ball).

Similarly, doubling the post before the ball gets there is an extremely obvious move that leaves someone wide open - it prevents a post player from catching it, but that's only a consideration in today's game because the spacing gives players too much time and room to operate once they catch it... The spacing and further distance of help defenders makes today's post players too dangerous when they catch the ball.

Otoh, when there isn't spacing and help defense is much closer, a team is better off NOT compromising their defense by doubling early and leaving someone wide open.. The lack of spacing and closer help defenders made previous eras better-equipped to handle a post player that has the ball.
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[3ball]

It's amazing how today's spacing necessitates gimmick defensive tactics that compromise the defense (i.e. strongside flooding, which doesn't get ball out of ballhandler's hands and leaves weakside a man down - but the move is a necessary gamble, otherwise the spacing gives strongside ballhandlers too much time and room when they have the ball).

Similarly, doubling the post before the ball gets there is an extremely obvious move that leaves someone wide open - it prevents a post player from catching it, but that's only a consideration in today's game because the spacing gives players too much time and room to operate once they catch it... The spacing and further distance of help defenders makes today's post players too dangerous when they catch the ball.

Otoh, when there isn't spacing and help defense is much closer, a team is better off NOT compromising their defense by doubling early and leaving someone wide open.. The lack of spacing and closer help defenders made previous eras better-equipped to handle a post player that has the ball.
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Of course, regarding post play - today's game doesn't USE the post, because the 3-point shooting exists to make drive-and-kick the most efficient, and preferred option.

But if you removed the 3-point line or 3-point shooters like the 80's, drive-and-kick would no longer be mathematically worthwhile compared to post and midrange - it's just not worthwhile to drive-and-kick for 2-pointers, which is why we know Lebron and others wouldn't be as good in the 80's without anyone spreading the floor to enable their drive-and-kick - so they'd have to score via post and midrange like everyone else back then, and they suck in those areas.

[DonDadda59]

As Bron's athleticism fades more and more as he gets older, it's going to get ROUGH watching him play. By the time he's 33, he'll be averaging 15 PPG on 37% on purely flops. That's the only way he'll be able to get points.

[dubeta]

As Bron's athleticism fades more and more as he gets older, it's going to get ROUGH watching him play. By the time he's 33, he'll be averaging 15 PPG on 37% on purely flops. That's the only way he'll be able to get points.

He'll be in his 15th season by then

LeBron in his 15th season >> MJ in his 15th

[DonDadda59]

He'll be in his 15th season by then

LeBron in his 15th season >> MJ in his 15th

At the rate this man Bron is declining, he'll make broken down no knees 40 year old Jordan look like prime MJ.

Kobe Bean Bryant in his 12th season>>>Bron in his 12th

[riseagainst]

Hmm. nice gif, solid point. It shows how easy the clear-out style of play in the 80's was, offensive efficiency was high and so was fg%


It was a layup drill exercise in the 90's, beat your man, and get straight-line drives to the basket



otoh in todays no-spacing era, the zone defense forces players to pass-out

http://share.gifyoutube.com/mGpE10.gif


Watch - today's shading defense is the equivalent of having 2 defenders constantly guard you, with no open man

...
..
a far-cry from the layup lines of the 80's


while 2 3 point shooters wide open waiting for him to pass.

:lol
:roll:

[Lebronxrings]

i think we should just ignore the trolls. People like 3ball are either deluded to think present day nba isn't better than the weaker eras or just trolling.

[Mr. Jabbar]

what can I say....if op, a HUMONGOUS lebron stan, thinks hes not top 100 anymore, who are we to defend that colluding shortcutist?

i will still continue to root for the KENG all the way to 2/9 tho :rockon:

#KENG