Just got a quote from a former player/basketball mind: "MJ was great but overrated"

[Jameerthefear]

He's asked to remain anonymous but all I can say is that he is VERY well known within the basketball community and is a known genius. He KNOWS what he's talking about.

[dubeta]

Hmm solid quote, old era fans probably have a better recollection of Jordan's playoff record without Pippen than today's 'casual fans'

[feyki]

Yes , defınitely overrated. He's not better than Kareem and Russell .

[Blue&Orange]

Jordan was great but overrated, Lebron is just overrated.

[Jameerthefear]

Hmm solid quote, old era fans probably have a better recollection of Jordan's playoff record without Pippen than today's 'casual fans'
Yep. I can tell you, this guy's standing was VERY high

[Straight_Ballin]

Jordan living in these kids minds rent free.

[3ball]

Lebron lost the Finals in 2015 because he couldn't shoot a good percentage at high volume - it's statistical fact that he's bad at the additional 1-on-1 and midrange required of high volume shooters - the poor efficiency at high volume doomed any chance of his team beating the Warriors and is conspicuous in light of the single-coverage and secluded clearouts he enjoyed all series.

Of course, virtually all of Lebron's Finals losses can be attributed to his ball-dominant style, which prevents his teams from running an equal-opportunity offense, where all 5 players share the playmaking responsibilities - this is the kind of offense that teams perceived as "smart" use, such as Mavs, Spurs, 2015 Warriors, and 90's Bulls equal-opportunity triangle (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIY_4vIxGEE&t=23m40s).. Since Lebron's style prevents equal opportunity and the best brand of basketball, equal or less-talented opponents pull upsets by playing a better brand of basketball (2009, 2011, 2014).

It's not conjecture that Lebron's style prevents equal-opportunity because it's proven by the stats - Lebron's presence craters the APG and assist % of teammates (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=385841) (Wade, Love, Bosh, Kyrie, Mo Williams), while increasing the amount they are assisted - this proves he turns teammates from playmakers into playfinishers, thus preventing equal-opportunity/sharing the playmaking.. Of course, with Lebron's style decreasing the assists of teammates, it's no surprise that all his TEAMS (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=385446) have very low assist frequency.

[3ball]

Hmm solid quote, old era fans probably have a better recollection of Jordan's playoff record without Pippen than today's 'casual fans'


What's better: 1-9 in 1st Round as underdog, or losing 4 straight games in finals, 3 straight in finals, 3 straight in finals again, and 3 straight in finals......again

No this is not a typo. Lebron is 2/6 with each of his finals losses coming in the form of a beatdown.. So apparently, opponents are figuring out Lebron's teams, and then it's a rap.. There's no back-and-forth where both teams make adjustments because Lebron-ball is unadjustable... Ouch

The proven predictability of Lebron's teams shouldn't be surprising - the statistical reality is that Lebron's teams have very poor teamwork, as shown by their very low assist frequency (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=385446).. And Lebron's presence significantly lowers the apg of his teammates (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=385841).
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[Straight_Ballin]

What's better: 1-9 in 1st Round as underdog, or losing 4 straight games in finals, 3 straight in finals, 3 straight in finals again, and 3 straight in finals......again

No this is not a typo. Lebron is 2/6 with each of his finals losses coming in the form of a beatdown.. So apparently, opponents are figuring out Lebron's teams, and then it's a rap.. Ouch

The proven predictability of Lebron's teams shouldn't be surprising - the statistical reality is that Lebron's teams have very poor teamwork, as shown by their very low assist frequency (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=385446).. And Lebron's presence significantly lowers the apg of his teammates (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=385841).

There's not much for teams to figure out. Bron isn't a smart system player. He enables himself to shoot poorly under single coverage and the result is 2/6. Unlike Jordan who was doubled all game and still went perfect 6/6. It's like comparing a peice of garbage to a diamond.

[Dr Hawk]

What does 1/9 mean? The rounds Jordan won/lost without Pippen?

[Straight_Ballin]

What does 1/9 mean? The rounds Jordan won/lost without Pippen?

Something bran fans say to try and diminish Jordan's 6/6 finals perfection. Always said by some clueless dumbass with low bball IQ. I just laugh everytime and silence whoever said it with a "2/6."

[3ball]

There's not much for teams to figure out. Bron isn't a smart system player. He enables himself to shoot poorly under single coverage and the result is 2/6. Unlike Jordan who was doubled all game and still went perfect 6/6. It's like comparing a peice of garbage to a diamond.
I couldn't have said it better.

Btw, we already know that Jordan's career Finals averages destroy Lebron's, but the gap is even bigger when you consider defense - all of Lebron's defensive assignments are role players, yet they get FMVP... Whereas MJ's defensive assignments were always the other team's best player, such as Magic and Drexler, and also KJ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6K2rBgOqGCw&index=13&list=PLl0ny9_3DLnFmdGrXIYboWxY85qDJEjUY), Payton (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL62CUehuw&list=PLl0ny9_3DLnFmdGrXIYboWxY85qDJEjUY&index=17), and Stockton (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOuMwmXtgd0) - however, these guys don't win fmvp.

When you consider defense, the gap between MJ and Lebron's Finals performances is huge, just like the gap between 6/6 and 2/6... It makes that gap very easy to understand.

[Dr Hawk]

Something bran fans say to try and diminish Jordan's 6/6 finals perfection. Always said by some clueless dumbass with low bball IQ. I just laugh everytime and silence whoever said it with a "2/6."

Matches with dubeta

[Real Men Wear Green]

There is no player in any major American sport who has every player/analyst call him the greatest ever.

[ProfessorMurder]

There is no player in any major American sport who has every player/analyst call him the greatest ever.
Gretzky.

[Marchesk]

Gretzky.

Lemieux, Orr?

[Mr. Jabbar]

ive been rooting for lebron since 0/1 but mj is at least 30 spots higher in the all time ranking

[Lebronxrings]

There's not much for teams to figure out. Bron isn't a smart system player. He enables himself to shoot poorly under single coverage and the result is 2/6. Unlike Jordan who was doubled all game and still went perfect 6/6. It's like comparing a peice of garbage to a diamond.
why are you talking to yourself? :lol

[Dragonyeuw]

Lebron lost the Finals in 2015 because he couldn't shoot a good percentage at high volume - it's statistical fact that he's bad at the additional 1-on-1 and midrange required of high volume shooters - the poor efficiency at high volume doomed any chance of his team beating the Warriors and is conspicuous in light of the single-coverage and secluded clearouts he enjoyed all series.

Of course, virtually all of Lebron's Finals losses can be attributed to his ball-dominant style, which prevents his teams from running an equal-opportunity offense, where all 5 players share the playmaking responsibilities - this is the kind of offense that teams perceived as "smart" use, such as Mavs, Spurs, 2015 Warriors, and 90's Bulls equal-opportunity triangle (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIY_4vIxGEE&t=23m40s).. Since Lebron's style prevents equal opportunity and the best brand of basketball, equal or less-talented opponents pull upsets by playing a better brand of basketball (2009, 2011, 2014).

It's not conjecture that Lebron's style prevents equal-opportunity because it's proven by the stats - Lebron's presence craters the APG and assist % of teammates (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=385841) (Wade, Love, Bosh, Kyrie, Mo Williams), while increasing the amount they are assisted - this proves he turns teammates from playmakers into playfinishers, thus preventing equal-opportunity/sharing the playmaking.. Of course, with Lebron's style decreasing the assists of teammates, it's no surprise that all his TEAMS (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=385446) have very low assist frequency.

Relevance to the thread topic?:confusedshrug:

[DoctorP]

Attention whore thread.

[lil jahlil]

He's asked to remain anonymous but all I can say is that he is VERY well known within the basketball community and is a known genius. He KNOWS what he's talking about.

You need the word of others because you never saw him yourself to make up your own mind. Must be sad to have not witnessed the GOAT.