French Newspaper Le Monde Suggests Pau Gasol Was Doped At EuroBasket

[Euroleague]

The French newspaper Le Monde, in an article written by Clement Guillou, suggests that Pau Gasol was doped at the EuroBasket 2015, and cites their evidence by the fact that supposedly his personal doctor, Dr. Nicolas Terrados, is the same guy that has doped cyclists before, being involved in the Festina case of the 1998 Tour de France. .....

The Spanish Basketball Federation's reaction to this seems a bit over the top.

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[90sgoat]

All elite athletes are doped, but only Euro agencies do anything about it. American sports can dope as much as they like without consequence.

[Euroleague]

All elite athletes are doped, but only Euro agencies do anything about it. American sports can dope as much as they like without consequence.

The head of Olympic and WADA testing have said that the kinds of designer drugs that athletes from elite big professional leagues (like the NBA) would be probably using cannot be detected by their current testing methods.

And in the case of these really big name athletes, if they are doping, then they have trainers and doctors going to great measures to make sure that they would never get caught.

But anyway, even though the European anti doping agencies do take it very seriously, they really can't detect the most current designer drugs.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Before we all trash Euroleague I will point out that this is a real story. A link. (http://www.sport.es/es/noticias/eurobasket/diario-monde-acusa-dopaje-pau-gasol-4531813)A very rough translation:[QUOTE]While the sports world still extolling the figure of Pau Gasol for his performance in the Eurobasket 2015 where he led the Spanish team to gold and where MVP was proclaimed in France seems to have sit well the more than creditable championship by Pau.

Without going any further, last Sunday an article signed by journalist Clement Guillou in the newspaper 'Le Monde' in which Gasol is accused of doping as an explanation for his performance at age 35 it was published.

The item has been viraliz

[Gileraracer]

I know someone who uses HGH and it's not Pau :applause:

[DoctorP]

Hmmm. Pau on that Volkswagon shit?

[90sgoat]

I mean, it is well known that pretty much all cyclists that have won Tour De France (and the top 10? top 20?) have been doped. One thing we have learnt from that is that if something smells then it probably is so (like with Lance Armstrong).

We also know the American Athletic Federation withheld positive tests for decades for their olympic athletes.

All this talk about 'athleticism' being greater now, it is mainly because of doping. As I linked and proved in another thread, there is a direct medicial correlation between anabolics and the kind of ligament tears that plague the current league.

This is because American athletes begin doping in high school already before their bodies are even fully developed.

I think MJ was probably doped too, just so no one thinks I am stanning. However, Lebron, Wade, Howard, Karl Malone, Ray Allen, Kidd, all these guys having waaaay longer careers than used to be normal. That can only be explained by different types of doping.

Another thing, is how in America when someone is drafted they say 'he needs to put on 10-20lbs of muscle', then he does so over a summer. That is obviously doping.

And with Euro's there is this idea that Euros are weaker than blacks, but in reality this is simply not true. Euro's are stronger than blacks on average, look at the world strongest man competitions, all euros, look at weight lifting in olympics, all whites. Blacks are more explosive, but doesn't explain their sudden greater upper body strength.

TL/DR:

NBA is doped.

[iznogood]

I mean, it is well known that pretty much all cyclists that have won Tour De France (and the top 10? top 20?) have been doped. One thing we have learnt from that is that if something smells then it probably is so (like with Lance Armstrong).

We also know the American Athletic Federation withheld positive tests for decades for their olympic athletes.

All this talk about 'athleticism' being greater now, it is mainly because of doping. As I linked and proved in another thread, there is a direct medicial correlation between anabolics and the kind of ligament tears that plague the current league.

This is because American athletes begin doping in high school already before their bodies are even fully developed.

I think MJ was probably doped too, just so no one thinks I am stanning. However, Lebron, Wade, Howard, Karl Malone, Ray Allen, Kidd, all these guys having waaaay longer careers than used to be normal. That can only be explained by different types of doping.

Another thing, is how in America when someone is drafted they say 'he needs to put on 10-20lbs of muscle', then he does so over a summer. That is obviously doping.

And with Euro's there is this idea that Euros are weaker than blacks, but in reality this is simply not true. Euro's are stronger than blacks on average, look at the world strongest man competitions, all euros, look at weight lifting in olympics, all whites. Blacks are more explosive, but doesn't explain their sudden greater upper body strength.

TL/DR:

NBA is doped.
Could you link the article again, I'd love to read it.

Also, a lot of good points and I strongly agree with almost everything you've written.

However, I do think that the weightlifting results are are the result of greater popularity of the sport in Europe and Asia. I don't think it has much to do with race. Weightlifting is an explosive type of activity and top weightlifters have amazing vertical leaps and are great at sprinting. Strongmen sport obviously differs a lot since it also requires a lot of stamina.

[90sgoat]

Here is one done on NFL players:

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/news-blog/nfl-players-who-use-steroids-have-m-2009-02-20/

[QUOTE]Players who took the drugs suffered more disc herniations and injuries to their knees, elbows, necks, spines, feet, toes and ankles than those who didn

[Lebronxrings]

I know someone who uses HGH and it's not Pau :applause:
kobe? Or was it mj back in the day.

[KineticZhiv]

Zero evidence. Frechs being sore losers what else is new.

[DonDadda59]

Pau was looking rather beastly this Summer. But he always shines on the World stage.

[Dr Hawk]

Spanoulis seemed poisoned though

[sd3035]

Zero evidence. Frechs being sore losers what else is new.

The French have been taking L's consistently since Napoleon's defeat

[lil jahlil]

They just jelly.

[Rooster]

Zero evidence. Frechs being sore losers what else is new.

France just choked.

Spain and Greece cancelled each other out except the 5 quick fouls.:oldlol:

[BoutPractice]

I doubt that was what caused Pau Gasol to make his free throws, and French players to miss theirs...

[kennethgriffin]

dear france: nobody cares

[robert de niro]

the blogger who wrote that article keeps writing shit about Spain on his twitter, meltdown ensured :oldlol:

[Euroleague]

Pau was looking rather beastly this Summer. But he always shines on the World stage.


Zero evidence. Frechs being sore losers what else is new.


Gasol has never in his entire life played that good. He has also never in his entire life looked that fresh, or that athletic in terms of being able to play at top pace for duration over such a grueling tournament like that.

10 games in 12 days, playing max effort for heavy minutes...........

Even in his 20s he would have been half dead out there.

Just as an example, Antetokounmpo could barely even make it up the floor by the end of the tournament he was so exhausted and done. He was benched very early in Greece's do or die Olympic qualification game against Latvia, because he could not even make it up the floor actually. That's a 20 year old guy, considered a freak of nature athlete.

There is something suspicious about the whole thing, and a lot of people watching it were doubting it. But as the writer pointed out, nothing can come of it, because they did not test Gasol. Which is odd, considering how he was playing, at age 35, and how he has never played well when he was in his peak of his career.

With all that being said, the worst thing was the fact that Gasol traveled almost every time he touched the ball and the refs never called it, while they called every little ticky take travel against the other teams, and how Gasol kept getting free throws at all the important moments in all the crucial games, even if he was not actually fouled. That is actually a much bigger problem and issue to me than if a guy is doping or not, because it involves the refs favoring specific players and teams.

[Derka]

Natural to be suspicious because of that doc messing with doped cyclists, but it looks like France having a meltdown because Pau whipped that ass. :lol

[Euroleague]

Natural to be suspicious because of that doc messing with doped cyclists, but it looks like France having a meltdown because Pau whipped that ass. :lol

If Greece, France, or Lithuania would have beaten Spain, then this probably would not be a discussion. Greece and France almost beat them, Greece actually should have won, they just got unlucky really, and France had a 50/50 game with them and it went to overtime.

Lithuania stood no chance because they are a lower level team than those others.

But the way it did turn out. Spain did win, and I as said, it was mainly to me because of how the refs favored Spain, and not if Gasol was doped or not.

But that's the thing though, since Spain did win, now Gasol is going to come under the microscope because of the way he played.

If Spain had lost either one of those games down to the wire with Greece or France Gasol probably would have gotten through that tournament with no one in the media bringing it up though.

But it is the same way in the Olympics. It's almost always the medal winners that end up getting caught some how, not through testing, because they can't detect it, but through the microscope of suspicion about how they performed.

Really, there is no diet plan that explains Gasol suddenly getting that much better at age 35. Otherwise, every athlete in the world is going to be on that special diet.

Sure, the French are pissed off, but they have a legit reason to wonder about it. Even how Spain's basketball federation reacted to it, considering they went the Lance Armstrong route, with the we will sue the hell out of you.

[ShaqTwizzle]

Pau "The Gawd" Gasol destroyed France.

:yaohappy:

[Maga_1]

Gasol has a crew of 5 personal trainers (physioteraphist, yoga teacher, etc etc including a new added physiologist) that has been working with him since he left the Lakers, maybe... just a lucky guess... thats why?

[kennethgriffin]

this is sorta like the barry bonds situation


except gasol weighs 200 pounds less and doesnt have a fat bowling ball head

[HOoopCityJones]

Call me when he cramps up in a Finals because of alittle heat while literally every other player, ref and ball boy was fine, or has growths surgically removed from his jaw or how about a mysterious leave of absence to Miami mid season (a known Steroid haven) where he comes back looking like ultimate warrior despite starting the season at least 60 pounds lighter.

There's way more blatant examples of doping around the league than Pau Gasol putting together a great run.

[brain drain]

Gasol has a crew of 5 personal trainers (physioteraphist, yoga teacher, etc etc including a new added physiologist) that has been working with him since he left the Lakers, maybe... just a lucky guess... thats why?

You know what the "physiotherapists" job at the TDF is?

[Lebowsky]

Gasol has never in his entire life played that good. He has also never in his entire life looked that fresh, or that athletic in terms of being able to play at top pace for duration over such a grueling tournament like that.

10 games in 12 days, playing max effort for heavy minutes...........

Even in his 20s he would have been half dead out there.

Just as an example, Antetokounmpo could barely even make it up the floor by the end of the tournament he was so exhausted and done. He was benched very early in Greece's do or die Olympic qualification game against Latvia, because he could not even make it up the floor actually. That's a 20 year old guy, considered a freak of nature athlete.

There is something suspicious about the whole thing, and a lot of people watching it were doubting it. But as the writer pointed out, nothing can come of it, because they did not test Gasol. Which is odd, considering how he was playing, at age 35, and how he has never played well when he was in his peak of his career.

With all that being said, the worst thing was the fact that Gasol traveled almost every time he touched the ball and the refs never called it, while they called every little ticky take travel against the other teams, and how Gasol kept getting free throws at all the important moments in all the crucial games, even if he was not actually fouled. That is actually a much bigger problem and issue to me than if a guy is doping or not, because it involves the refs favoring specific players and teams.

Gasol was tested right after the final match. (http://baloncesto.as.com/baloncesto/2015/09/23/mas_baloncesto/1443011908_101651.html) (In Spanish, last paragraph.)

[Lebron23]

The French being a biggest sore losers than the Kobetards in this forum.

[julizaver]

Gasol has never in his entire life played that good. He has also never in his entire life looked that fresh, or that athletic in terms of being able to play at top pace for duration over such a grueling tournament like that.


I watched few of Spain games and for me Gasol was ...just Gasol.



10 games in 12 days, playing max effort for heavy minutes...........


No, it is 9 games for 16 days (from 5.09 to 20.09.2015). And in the first 5 games, where the schedule was really really busy he played less then 30 minutes and his stats were not so good. After that with more days to rest he played great with more minutes and had better numbers.



Even in his 20s he would have been half dead out there.


Simply an exagaration.

[D. Toretto]

Why not just allow doping, but compel every player to write what he takes on his jersey. At least you would see what works. Would be fun to see a lot of human gazelles :rockon:

[Euroleague]

Gasol has a crew of 5 personal trainers (physioteraphist, yoga teacher, etc etc including a new added physiologist) that has been working with him since he left the Lakers, maybe... just a lucky guess... thats why?

And was that also the reason why for Barca, Real, Spain national football team, even though it was reported in Spain media they were doping, after years of passed tests (because they can't detect the designer drugs)?

Players don't get magically healthier, younger, more athletic, and better at age 35. Well, Barry Bonds did. So there is that.

[Euroleague]

Gasol was tested right after the final match. (http://baloncesto.as.com/baloncesto/2015/09/23/mas_baloncesto/1443011908_101651.html) (In Spanish, last paragraph.)

The drugs can't be detected, as has been said over and over. I don't know how many times that has to be explained.

But even if he was tested and they could be detected, no one would be caught on the last day of the competition.

The cycle up and down method would assure that an athlete could pass any test by that point, even if the drugs could be detected. And again, they can't.

Just to give an example, Greece's players were being tested at a rate of 4 players per game, in the first group games.

Gasol is not tested until the end of the tournament?

Of course it looks odd to anyone that looks at that.

Yes, the French are definitely butt hurt, by comparison, I have not read or heard a single butt hurt issue come up from Greece or Lithuania, even though the media asked Greece a lot about questionable calls the refs definitely made.

So yeah, the French are butt hurt. But, they have a reason to be though. FIBA is playing favorites not only with the reffing, but now even with the testing.

It does not matter with the testing in catching someone, because they cannot detect the drugs (again, why so many people don't understand that is strange), but it does matter in how some teams are tested quickly, and then some are not. That looks unfair.

I am sure France has doped players, I mean anyone that thinks NBA players don't dope is at the least naive, but why should their players be subjected more to testing than Spain's? Even if the drugs can't be detected, it still does not seem fair.