GOAT peak per position

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PG: Magic 87
SG: Jordan 1991
SF: Lebron 2013
PF: Duncan 2003
C: Shaq 2000

Honorable mentions: Larry Bird, Karl Malone, Walt Chamberdisney, Isiah Thomas,

Dishonorable mentions: Kobald, Zero Votes Curry

[dubeta]

Pippens Pippen deserves a mention here

[WayOfWade]

PG: Magic 87
SG: Jordan 1991
SF: Lebron 2013
PF: Duncan 2003
C: Shaq 2000

Honorable mentions: Larry Bird, Karl Malone, Walt Chamberdisney, Isiah Thomas,

Dishonorable mentions: Kobald, Zero Votes Curry
Seems pretty legit, but Bird would give LeBron a serious run for his money. I mean Bird did average 30/9/6/1.6/.8 on 53% shooting in 1988, that's pretty good.

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Seems pretty legit, but Bird would give LeBron a serious run for his money. I mean Bird did average 30/9/6/1.6/.8 on 53% shooting in 1988, that's pretty good.
Numbers from the 80's and early 90's are inflated compared to todays game

You can't compare straight numbers from two separate eras. Advanced statistics are good for era comparisons because they bias for such differentials.

[dubeta]

Seems pretty legit, but Bird would give LeBron a serious run for his money. I mean Bird did average 30/9/6/1.6/.8 on 53% shooting in 1988, that's pretty good.


Lol LeBron has had at least 4 Seasons better than that (2008, 2009, 2010, 2013)

[Sakkreth]

86 Sabonis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAqUQpROBfU

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As far as Lebron 2012 vs Lebron 2013

I give it to 2013 because the superior regular season, AND it isn't a major difference in the playoffs... 2012 slightly superior, but IMO in 2013 Lebron had much less help, especially by the end of the playoffs with Wade running on worn knees and Bosh scoring 0 points in game 7's

[feyki]

64 Oscar

89 Jordan

77 Doctor

62 Elgin

77 Kareem

[ralph_i_el]

Bird at the 3

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Bird at the 3
It's close until you look at the advanced stats

Lebron blows Larry away in pretty much every metric

And Larry isn't the defender Lebron is

[Sarcastic]

Troll thread, but whatever.

Oscar Robertson triple double season is probably GOAT peak, as is Wilt 1967.

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Why are so many idiots not aware of the terms inflated stats and pace?

[HenryGarfunkle]

For the guard positions I will say Magic and Wade.

87 is a good year for Irving. 09 for Wade though 06 was great too with that championship run but he was better in 09.

For the forward positions, LeBron in 2012 and Duncan in 03.

I agree with Shaq for 2000.

[Sarcastic]

Same reason you're not aware that rules changes have made it easier for perimeter players.

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Same reason you're not aware that rules changes have made it easier for perimeter players.
Then why aren't there any 30PPG scorers today?

[Sarcastic]

Then why aren't there any 30PPG scorers today?

There are, just fewer. But it's more to do with changes in coaching, dilution of talent, and poor fundamentals being taught at early ages.

[HenryGarfunkle]

There are, just fewer. But it's more to do with changes in coaching, dilution of talent, and poor fundamentals being taught at early ages.
Right...

Poor fundamentals. That's the cause.

[SHAQisGOAT]

Magic '87

Jordan '91

Bird '86

Duncan '03

Kareem '77 or Wilt '67


'93 Barkley's extremely close to #1 at PF.

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Magic '87

Jordan '91

Bird '86

Duncan '03

Kareem '77 or Wilt '67


'93 Barkley's extremely close to #1 at PF.
Log back on to Round Mound so I can tell you again that Malone is better than that fat round Charles

[WayOfWade]

Why are so many idiots not aware of the terms inflated stats and pace?
Because I love inflated stats, they make players seem invincible

[ArbitraryWater]

Seems pretty legit, but Bird would give LeBron a serious run for his money. I mean Bird did average 30/9/6/1.6/.8 on 53% shooting in 1988, that's pretty good.

1988 was not Bird's peak, that wasn't even his prime anymore.. stat watcher detected :D

[feyki]

64 Oscar adjusted eff(pace,efg% ,rib%, ast%) - 41.7

89 Jordan adjusted eff - 39.2

62 Elgin adjusted eff - 42.05

77 Kareem playoff adjusted eff - 53.8

[dubeta]

Magic '87

Jordan '91

Bird '86

Duncan '03

Kareem '77 or Wilt '67


'93 Barkley's extremely close to #1 at PF.


Lmao Bird has 0 argument over LeBron, absolutely 0


Stats, efficiency, advanced stats, impact, and most importantly, the eye test all favor LeBron

[Rocketswin2013]

'09 LeBron was better than '13.

And Zero Votes Curry over Magic Johnson.

[colts19]

Lmao Bird has 0 argument over LeBron, absolutely 0


Stats, efficiency, advanced stats, impact, and most importantly, the eye test all favor LeBron

I'll tell you what he didn't have Bird beat in, and that's toughness and clutch. Your also wrong about the eye test thing. I take Bird everyday of the week. I have never seen a player who can average 10 points in the fourth quarter of a playoff game, but then in the last 3 mins with the game on the line he makes 2 turnovers and throws up a brick. LeBron does that a lot in the playoffs and its just something in his makeup that I don't understand. That is why he will never be on the same level as MJ, Bird and Magic.

Everyone has a bad game once in a while. Lebron chokes like I said more than any player ever in clutch situations.

[LoneyROY7]

There are, just fewer. But it's more to do with changes in coaching, dilution of talent, and poor fundamentals being taught at early ages.

Poor fundamentals? THAT'S why there are fewer 30 ppg scorers?

Of all the myriad of excuses you could have come up with, that's what you settled on?

:yaohappy:

[Sarcastic]

Poor fundamentals? THAT'S why there are fewer 30 ppg scorers?

Of all the myriad of excuses you could have come up with, that's what you settled on?

:yaohappy:

1 That's not all I said
2 There's a long thread on the first page about how Kevin Love can't post up after all these years, which is a clear example of what I was speaking of.

[LoneyROY7]

1 That's not all I said
2 There's a long thread on the first page about how Kevin Love can't post up after all these years, which is a clear example of what I was speaking of.

So one player not being able to post up (which isn't even true) proves players today lack fundamentals? :oldlol:

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I'll tell you what's lacking fundamentals

A league where they had to shorten the 3pt line

top KEK

[Sarcastic]

So one player not being able to post up (which isn't even true) proves players today lack fundamentals? :oldlol:

I never said there was a complete lack of fundamentals. I said it was being poorly taught at the development level of basketball (AAU and college), which is true.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

08 CP3
91 MJ
86 Bird
04 KG
00 Shaq


1988 was not Bird's peak, that wasn't even his prime anymore.. stat watcher detected :D
88 Bird was still prime. Maybe the GOAT offensive season:facepalm :facepalm

[Sarcastic]

Entire generation of big men still have to go learn from Olajuwon, who would still push their shits in in the post at his old age.

[T_L_P]

87 Magic
91 Jordan
09 LeBron
03 Duncan
00 Shaq

[Fire Colangelo]

Would take 09 and 12 LeBron over 13.

[Indian guy]

Would take 09 and 12 LeBron over 13.

Only boxscore watchers would pick '12 over '13. I'll take at least 5 versions of LeBron over his '12 self. '09, '10, '13, '14 and '15.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

01 Eric Snow
97 Kerry Kittles
15 Sefolosha
05 Kwame
05 Eddy Curry

Honorable Mentions: Glen Davis, Illgauskas, Stojakovic, Radmanovic

[warriorfan]

PG: Magic 87
SG: Jordan 1991
SF: Lebron 2013
PF: Duncan 2003
C: Shaq 2000

Honorable mentions: Larry Bird, Karl Malone, Walt Chamberdisney, Isiah Thomas,

Dishonorable mentions: Kobald, Zero Votes Curry

rent free

[dubeta]

Oh he's mad :lol


LBC

[riseagainst]

PG: Magic 87
SG: Jordan 1991
SF: Larry Bird 1987 Honorable mentions: Kawhi Leonard, Andre Iguodala
PF: Duncan 2003
C: Shaq 2000

[SHAQisGOAT]

Magic '87

Jordan '91

Bird '86

Duncan '03

Kareem '77 or Wilt '67


'93 Barkley's extremely close to #1 at PF.

:wtf:

I forgot to put Shaq before Kareem/Wilt, I was gonna say O'Neal THEN either one of those two.

Diesel had the GOAT peak...

[Wade's Rings]

For the guard positions I will say Magic and Wade.

87 is a good year for Irving. 09 for Wade though 06 was great too with that championship run but he was better in 09.

For the forward positions, LeBron in 2012 and Duncan in 03.

I agree with Shaq for 2000.

How the f*ck is Wade over Mike?

[OldSchoolBBall]

'86 Bird is better than Lebron ever was.

[dubeta]

'86 Bird is better than Lebron ever was.

By putting up worse stats, much worse PER and WS, and overall being a worse basketball player? :wtf:

[Magic 32]

By putting up worse stats, much worse PER and WS, and overall being a worse basketball player? :wtf:

Lebron's game is designed for maximum stats. Not success on the court.

Playing in the west would expose this.

[dubeta]

06' Kobes game was designed for maximum stats. Not success on the court.

Playing in the east would expose this, hence Kobes career finals stats


true

[SHAQisGOAT]

'86 Bird is better than Lebron ever was.

While it's very close, that's very true...



By putting up worse stats, much worse PER and WS, and overall being a worse basketball player? :wtf:

:rolleyes:

Great analysis though...

[Odinn]

PG: 1986-87 Magic
SG: 1990-91 Jordan
SF: 1985-86 Bird (2011-12 LeBron close second)
PF: 2002-03 Duncan
C: 1966-67 Wilt or 1976-77 Kareem or 1993-94 Hakeem or 1999-00 Shaq

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Bird over Lebron makes legitimately no sense

[Odinn]

Bird over Lebron makes legitimately no sense
We all know you are an idiot. You don't need to prove yourself in every post.

[dubeta]

Birds career PER is 23.5 :lol :roll:



Kobe-esque

[Cold soul]

Magic '87

Jordan '91

Bird '86

Duncan '03

Shaq '00

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We all know you are an idiot. You don't need to prove yourself in every post.
Literally try and explain why you would pick Bird over Lebron

Literally try

[inclinerator]

chris paul

[Gileraracer]

PG: Magic 87
SG: Jordan 1991
SF: Lebron 2013
PF: Duncan 2003
C: Shaq 2000

Honorable mentions: Larry Bird, Karl Malone, Walt Chamberdisney, Isiah Thomas,

Dishonorable mentions: Kobald, Zero Votes Curry

SF should be 87-88 Bird:

29.9 PPG
9.3 RPG
6.1 AST
1.6 STL

by the way, he shot .546 / .414 / .916 that year :lebronamazed:

[dh144498]

PG: Magic 87
SG: Jordan 1991
SF: Larry Bird 1987 Honorable mentions: Kawhi Leonard, Andre Iguodala
PF: Duncan 2003
C: Shaq 2000


:roll:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

'87 Magic
'92 or '93 Jordan (undecided between those years)
'86 Bird
'03 Duncan
'00 Shaq

You could put '13 LeBron in there along with '93 Barkley and '77 Kareem, and I wouldn't really argue it.

[brownmamba00]

'87 Magic
'92 or '93 Jordan (undecided between those years)
'86 Bird
'03 Duncan
'00 Shaq

You could put '13 LeBron in there along with '93 Barkley and '77 Kareem, and I wouldn't really argue it.

'91 Jordan is the best of the best imo...and I'll take '72 Kareem and '95 Hakeem over any center ever.

G '87 Magic / '64 Oscar / '96 GP
G '91 Jordan / '08 Kobe / '09* Wade
F '85 Bird / '13 LeBron / ABA Dr.J
F '03 Duncan/ '04 KG / '93 Barkley
C '72 Kareem / '95 Dream / 00' Snaq

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That's insulting to put Lebron in the same class as KG or Kobe

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

'91 Jordan is the best of the best imo...and I'll take '72 Kareem and '95 Hakeem over any center ever.

G '87 Magic / '64 Oscar / '96 GP
G '91 Jordan / '08 Kobe / '10 Wade
F '85 Bird / '13 LeBron / ABA Dr.J
F '03 Duncan/ '04 KG / '93 Barkley
C '72 Kareem / '95 Dream / 00' Snaq

I think his jumpshot was better in '92 and '93. Mike's range progressively got better, and dude hit the 3 at a pretty high clip/substantial attempts in the postseason.

1991-93 Jordan is basically a pick'em

Agree with your honorable mentions too, but '72 Kareem? Try Lew Alcindor :cheers:

[kshutts1]

I love how any "GOAT" discussion is predominantly "Jordan to today". And we call ourselves basketball fans. :facepalm

Wilt and Oscar likely have the GOAT peak for their respective positions.

PF can vary so much depending on what you want from a PF. To be a little bit different, I'll say KG. What that man did in Minn for a few years was ridiculous. But if he's too "SF hybrid" for you, then Barkley.

For SG, this is probably the most clear-cut answer, and it's Jordan. West and Kobe have an argument here, but not a good one.

SF? Bird and Lebron are the most likely recipients, though I have not seen Doc or Barry mentioned as much as they should be. Baylor has a case, as well. I'd probably rank it as Bird, Baylor, Lebron, Doc, Barry. But with those top three, it's really just what you want from the position.

Oscar
Jordan
Bird/Baylor/Lebron
KG/Barkley
Wilt

[brownmamba00]

KG in '04 was as good as one PF could be...absolute monster on offense and intimidating as **** on defense.


I think his jumpshot was better in '92 and '93. Mike's range progressively got better, and dude hit the 3 at a pretty high clip/substantial attempts in the postseason.

1991-93 Jordan is basically a pick'em

Agree with your honorable mentions too, but '72 Kareem? Try Lew Alcindor :cheers:
He changed his name in '71 IIRC

Jordan after '91 slowly took a back seat to Pippen when it came to setting up the offense and playmaking...he became more of a scorer on offense after his first ring...this man almost averaged a double double vs Magic and the Lakers in '91.

[lil jahlil]

Numbers from the 80's and early 90's are inflated compared to todays game

You can't compare straight numbers from two separate eras. Advanced statistics are good for era comparisons because they bias for such differentials.

And you can't compare the modern era that favors wings rather than bigs. Bird would be better in this era than he was in the 80s, and LeBron would be worse in the 80s.

[Marchesk]

Baylor's peak does kind of get ignored on here. So does Dr. J's, or at least his statistical peak in the ABA.

NBA wise, Dr. J:

78: 26.9/7.4/4.6 with 2.2 steals, 1.8 blocks on 52%

Elgin's peak (full season):

60: 34.8/19.8/5.1 on 43%

Pace factors into Baylor's numbers, but for a few seasons there, he ranks with any SF in the history of the game, and that includes his playoff performances.