Is LeBron to Chicago what The Bad Boys were to Jordan?

[catch24]

Time and and time again, we've seen LeBron eliminate Chicago in the postseason, and time and time again, we've thought it was the Bulls' year to get through.

Does this rival what the Pistons were to MJ, in the sense that Jordan, countless tries, couldn't get past Detroit when they were in their prime?

If healthy, do the Bulls finally get past The King? :confusedshrug:

[3ball]

Nah, the Bad Boys are known for all-time level defense and the Jordan Rules (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIY_4vIxGEE&t=22m49s), which were every-possession (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=386210) double-teams on MJ.

Otoh, Lebron's defense the last few years has dropped off and the Bulls never need to double-team him.. He shot 39% against Chicago in the 2015 playoffs.

So most of the dynamic that existed between MJ and the Bad Boys aren't there with Lebron and CHI.

[GIF REACTION]

The Celtics to Lebron were what the Pistons were to MJ

[brownmamba00]

Tbh Chicago was never that good

[iTare]

My favorite player Butler, and I gotta butler
Gotta number 40, my 40 a f*ck ya
My favorite player Rose, aye, money on him let's go
We be on that bullshit, we from Chicago

[AnaheimLakers24]

Tbh Chicago was never that good
This, pacers were always the real threat these past 4 years.

[eeeeeebro]

the refs are always loud durring lebron games .... i dont know why but i am sure it has something to do with star power

[guy]

More like what Jordan was to the Cavs.

[Rocketswin2013]

The Celtics to Lebron were what the Pistons were to MJ
:applause:

[QUOTE]During their final regular-season road trip to Miami, which turned out to be a surprisingly easy win for the Celtics, they spent the last two minutes busting Wade

[riseagainst]

The Celtics to Lebron were what the Pistons were to MJ


:applause:

[Indian guy]

Ummmm, you can make this analogy between any up-and-coming team that couldn't get past a certain opponent. In Chicago's defense, of the 4 times they've met LeBron in the playoffs - 2010, 2011, 2013 and 2015 - they were only favored to win once (2011). And really, in all 4 meetings, LeBron had the more talented team. Well, with Love/Kyrie out, maybe not 2015 so much.

LeBron's "Detroit" was definitely Boston. They were the loaded, defensive powerhouse constantly beating up on LeBron's 1-man show.


During their final regular-season road trip to Miami, which turned out to be a surprisingly easy win for the Celtics, they spent the last two minutes busting Wade’s balls about LeBron. You picked the wrong guy. You’ll never win with that guy. LeBron could hear everything. They didn’t care. In Game 5 of their playoff series, Garnett and Pierce pushed things a little further, believing that LeBron was ready to cave again. Down the stretch, Garnett muttered derisive obscenities under his breath anytime LeBron was in earshot, then stuffed him at the rim on a pivotal drive. A little bit later, Pierce nailed a back-breaking 3 right in LeBron’s mug, then yelled, “I have the balls to take that!” as he trotted back down the floor.

In retrospect, they pushed him too far. The Celtics regarded LeBron with a surprising amount of disdain — that’s why Rondo angrily yelped, “Let’s go!” before defending LeBron’s final drive of regulation in Game 2. LeBron ended up settling for a 21-footer against someone seven inches shorter than him, followed by Rondo strutting back to the huddle and probably telling his teammates, “I knew he didn’t have the balls to come at me.” They spent that whole series challenging his manhood; by the end of Game 5, they thought they had broken him. Was that what turned him into a serial killer in Game 6? Not entirely … but it definitely helped. I just don’t think LeBron makes LeLeap without the bullies from Boston.

Pretty rich of the Celtics to be yapping in 2012 after Miami busted their ass in 5 games in 2011.

[JohnnySic]

Those Bulls were ready to win titles.

These Bulls aren't winning shiit.

[Doranku]

Yeah I don't get this comparison at all. The Bulls have been nothing but injured second round fodder for LeBron sans 2011.

[poido123]

apart from the 2010 matchup, was there a year where the Bulls were legit healthy?

As in, someone key in the team wasn't hobbling or not playing?


That has a lot to do with it. Particularly the way the Bulls play

[dubeta]

apart from the 2010 matchup, was there a year where the Bulls were legit healthy?

As in, someone key in the team wasn't hobbling or not playing?


That has a lot to do with it. Particularly the way the Bulls play


I still can't believe LeBron beat a fully healthy Bulls by himself last year :lol


No Love, hobbled kyrie still won

[Ai2death]

I still can't believe LeBron beat a fully healthy Bulls by himself last year :lol


No Love, hobbled kyrie still won

Obvious troll, Bulls had their own injury woes, Rose still hasn't returned to anything near his top form. Noah & Gasol were both hurting. I think Butler may have been the only player who was "healthy"

[poido123]

I still can't believe LeBron beat a fully healthy Bulls by himself last year :lol


No Love, hobbled kyrie still won


Stories in your head must be so nice to read :applause:

[TheMan]

More like what Jordan was to the Cavs.
Exactly this.

I now know what it must've felt for those late 80s/90s Cavs fans :(

[BasedTom]

the rose era bulls have been absolute rubbish, wait until they drop him and let Jimmy Butler run the show

[poido123]

the rose era bulls have been absolute rubbish, wait until they drop him and let Jimmy Butler run the show


I always hold a glimmer of hope that Rose can return to top form this year, but I'm ready to move on from him if he doesn't.


We can't be looking to max Rose again, his athleticm will surely look to decline earlier than most.

[TheMan]

Stories in your head must be so nice to read :applause:
Lol, true dat.

The nerve of that delusional stan to say that LeBron beat the Bulls "by himself" :yaohappy:

Aside from the injuries woes the Bulls also dealt with, the Cavs role players just flat out took our role player's lunch money. LeBron himself was not very good that series TBH.

Dat revisionist history doe :oldlol:

[poido123]

Lol, true dat.

The nerve of that delusional stan to say that LeBron beat the Bulls "by himself" :yaohappy:

Aside from the injuries woes the Bulls also dealt with, the Cavs role players just flat out took our role player's lunch money. LeBron himself was not very good that series TBH.

Dat revisionist history doe :oldlol:


We will be back my friend.


Gibson played with a torn ligament all year and Noah looked about 50%.

The new coach will hopefully look to manage the minutes of these players. Could be all the difference in the playoffs, we know this Bulls team can ramp up the D when they are healthy.

I really like our outlook this year and we will finally get to see more McD, Mirotic and Snell.

[dubeta]

Oh dey mad :lol



LeBron >> Bulls entire franchise




LeBron by himself beat, Rose Butler Gasol






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[BasedTom]

I always hold a glimmer of hope that Rose can return to top form this year, but I'm ready to move on from him if he doesn't.


We can't be looking to max Rose again, his athleticm will surely look to decline earlier than most.
I've felt that Rose has been overrated just for being a hometown kid...If you ask me personally, what held the Bulls back these past few years wasn't Rose being injured, but the team being so set on Rose the messiah that they would fall off seeing him get injured over and over again and keep hanging on just for "When Rose comes back"...when they should have had their eyes on the prize with or without him.

Aside from Rose, they've had some of the best rosters in the Eastern Conference, and have had the fortune of having some really solid guys in the mix. They didn't need to ditch Kyle Korver or even Nate Robinson and CJ Watson. Every year when they tore up the bench mob, they were basically re-rolling the dice on chemistry/cohesion/production.

[Wade's Rings]

[QUOTE=Rocketswin2013]:applause:

[QUOTE]During their final regular-season road trip to Miami, which turned out to be a surprisingly easy win for the Celtics, they spent the last two minutes busting Wade

[SamuraiSWISH]

No, LeBron is to Chicago what Jordan was to Cleveland in the 90s. Chicago has never been the obstacle for LeBron to overcome the way the Bad Boys were for MJ. The late 2000s and early 2010 Celtics were LeBron's obstacle. His Bad Boys.

[3ball]

The late 2000s and early 2010 Celtics were LeBron's obstacle. His Bad Boys.


MJ was never the favorite and #1 seed against the Bad Boys, whereas Lebron was the prohibitive favorite in 2010 - everyone figured that surely THIS #1 seed would break through.

But he lost again as the favorite, for the same reasons he always loses - his ball-dominant style prevents his teams from running an equal-opportunity offense, where all 5 players share the playmaking responsibilities - this is the kind of offense that teams perceived as "smart" use, such as Mavs, Spurs, 2015 Warriors, and 90's Bulls equal-opportunity triangle (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIY_4vIxGEE&t=23m40s).. Since Lebron's style prevents equal opportunity and the best brand of basketball, equal or less-talented opponents pull upsets by playing a better brand of basketball (2009, 2011, 2014).

It's not conjecture that Lebron's style prevents equal-opportunity because it's proven by the stats - Lebron's presence craters the APG and assist % of teammates (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=385841) (Wade, Love, Bosh, Kyrie, Mo Williams), while increasing the amount they are assisted - this proves he turns teammates from playmakers into playfinishers, thus preventing equal-opportunity/sharing the playmaking.. Of course, with Lebron's style decreasing the assists of teammates, it's no surprise that all his TEAMS (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=385446) have very low assist frequency.

[catch24]

No, LeBron is to Chicago what Jordan was to Cleveland in the 90s. Chicago has never been the obstacle for LeBron to overcome the way the Bad Boys were for MJ. The late 2000s and early 2010 Celtics were LeBron's obstacle. His Bad Boys.

I meant that Chicago is Jordan, and LeBron is Detroit.

Anyway, I think the Celts-LeBron comparison works best. Same with Cleveland and Jordan. Good call bros.

[97 bulls]

Time and and time again, we've seen LeBron eliminate Chicago in the postseason, and time and time again, we've thought it was the Bulls' year to get through.

Does this rival what the Pistons were to MJ, in the sense that Jordan, countless tries, couldn't get past Detroit when they were in their prime?

If healthy, do the Bulls finally get past The King? :confusedshrug:
If there is a parallel, lets hope it ends the same way

[Gileraracer]

LeBron always has at least 2 extra guys playing for his team. I think they're called refs.

[plowking]

Nah, the Bad Boys are known for all-time level defense and the Jordan Rules (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIY_4vIxGEE&t=22m49s), which were every-possession (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=386210) double-teams on MJ.

Otoh, Lebron's defense the last few years has dropped off and the Bulls never need to double-team him.. He shot 39% against Chicago in the 2015 playoffs.

So most of the dynamic that existed between MJ and the Bad Boys aren't there with Lebron and CHI.

The Bulls Bron faced were better defensively than the Bad Boy Pistons.

And their entire tactics against Bron was to double and hedge the whole side of the court to when he has the ball. Great way of stopping his penetration inside.

[GIF REACTION]

The Bulls Bron faced were better defensively than the Bad Boy Pistons.

And their entire tactics against Bron was to double and hedge the whole side of the court to when he has the ball. Great way of stopping his penetration inside.
Plow is on the money

The Thibs Ball-side Box

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1V5E8ymKu2BSHREjVIV2nMmqM2PeCsg6Xk2TssxPaadw/edit#slide=id.p

A good powerpoint explaining the defense scheme and examples of it from the Bulls

[KelticForce1349]

I've felt that Rose has been overrated just for being a hometown kid...If you ask me personally, what held the Bulls back these past few years wasn't Rose being injured, but the team being so set on Rose the messiah that they would fall off seeing him get injured over and over again and keep hanging on just for "When Rose comes back"...when they should have had their eyes on the prize with or without him.

Aside from Rose, they've had some of the best rosters in the Eastern Conference, and have had the fortune of having some really solid guys in the mix. They didn't need to ditch Kyle Korver or even Nate Robinson and CJ Watson. Every year when they tore up the bench mob, they were basically re-rolling the dice on chemistry/cohesion/production.

This is a fantastic post and absolutely the truth. Bulls fans have forgotten that one man isn't better than a team. Even MJ wasn't going to win a Championship without a solid cast, and I think everyone knows Jordan is light years ahead of Rose.

Bulls fans and the front office need to start thinking of Rose as just one piece of a puzzle. He is essentially something extra, an added weapon if utilized properly assuming he cares enough about winning to be a true team player.

I think his ego has grown so large and the idea of being the hometown "savior" has probably ruined the chance of him accepting the right role for Rose with the Bulls. It absolutely disgusts me to write this because I don't find injuries funny or good at all but....I am afraid that one more catastrophic (career ending) injury is the only way the Bulls become an equal team again.

[Lebron23]

The Chicago Bulls, Indiana Pacers, and Atlanta Hawks are the 1990's Knicks, Pacers, and Heat for LeBron.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

Those Bad Boy Pistons would trounce on today's Bulls.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

The Chicago Bulls, Indiana Pacers, and Atlanta Hawks are the 1990's Knicks, Pacers, and Heat for LeBron.

Disagree. I think all those 90s teams were better than any of the recent teams you've listed.