Past Prime 30 year old LeBron vs Absolute Peak Shaq

[dubeta]

Who was better?


BEFORE POSTING READ THIS!:


Playoff stats:



LeBron 2015


30.1 points 11.3 rebounds 8.5 assists 1.7 steals 1.1 blocks



Shaq 2000 (absolute peak)


30.7 points 15.4 rebounds 3.1 assists 0.6 steals 2.4 blocks




Finals stats


LeBron 2015

35.8 points 13.3 rebounds 8.8 assists


Shaq 2000


38.3 points 16.7 rebounds 2.3 assists





:biggums:


People Rag on LeBrons Playoffs and Finals this season


But..




Statistically it was arguably as good or BETTER Than Peak Shaq (GOAT tier)








30 year old 40,000 + minutes LeBron was more dominant than Peak Shaq :wtf:

[feyki]

What about fg% ?

[Im so nba'd out]

which ever one can lead kobe to another robin ring faster

[Dr Hawk]

Give me peak Shaq over peak Lebron

[dubeta]

What about ft% ?

Sure thing


LeBron 2015 playoffs

73.1%


Finals 2015

68.7%




Shaq 2000 playoffs

46.6%



Finals 2000
38.7%

[Im so nba'd out]

Give me peak Shaq over peak Lebron
pass the needle bro

[poido123]

So many true alphas/ legends of the past would wreck havoc on Lebron.

Look what old man Duncan has been doing to Lebron led teams.


Shit is embarassing and 2/6 in the finals?



:roll: :roll:

[Beastmode88]

you're also forgetting an important stat: shaq 2000 finals: ring, lebron 2015: no ring, locked down by bench player.

[feyki]

Sure thing


LeBron 2015 playoffs

73.1%


Finals 2015

68.7%




Shaq 2000 playoffs

46.6%



Finals 2000
38.7%
Hmmm , I'm illuminated..

[ShaqTwizzle]

Finals stats

LeBron 2015
35.8 points on 47%TS

---------------------------

Shaq 2000
38.3 points on 58%TS

Just felt like adding a minor detail.

[feyki]

Just felt like adding a minor detail.
Nothing change dude just every shot success percentages.

[poido123]

you're also forgetting an important stat: shaq 2000 finals: ring, lebron 2015: no ring, locked down by bench player.


Damn :oldlol:


It only gets worse for Lebeta and I'm a massive fan.

[OldSchoolBBall]

Finals stats


LeBron 2015

35.8 points 13.3 rebounds 8.8 assists
/ 38% FG/48% TS

Shaq 2000


38.3 points 16.7 rebounds 2.3 assists / 61% FG /58% TS




Fixed that for you.

[GIF REACTION]

2000 Shaq Playoffs:

DBPM: +2.8
OBPM: +4.5
BPM: +7.3
VORP: 2.3

2015 Lebron Playoffs:

DBPM: +5.1
OBPM: +5.9
BPM: +11
VORP: 2.7


Shaq put up the more efficient numbers, but as far as raw impact... Lebron had just as much, if not more impact on the game. Lebron absolutely controlled the pace of the game

[Marchesk]

Wilt:

64: 34.7/25.2/3.3 on 54.3 FG%

OR

67: 21.7/29.1/9.0 on 57.9 FG%

[dubeta]

So BOTH the raw stats, and the advanced stats agree with LeBron? :biggums:




So 30 year old LeBron is 100% >>> Peak Shaq? :wtf:








If you guys Cannot refute these statements, you guys are indirectly admitting that LeBron is the GOAT. Find evidence to dismiss these statements, or you have to agree that LeBron is GOAT.

[Marchesk]

So BOTH the raw stats, and the advanced stats agree with LeBron? :biggums:

So 30 year old LeBron is 100% >>> Peak Shaq? :wtf:



If you guys Cannot refute these statements, you guys are indirectly admitting that LeBron is the GOAT. Find evidence to dismiss these statements, or you have to agree that LeBron is GOAT.

Boiled down: 4/6 > 2/6 :confusedshrug:

[dubeta]

I know that Shaq > Wilt, no need to point it out

[ShaqTwizzle]

Shaq put up the more efficient numbers, but as far as raw impact... Lebron had just as much, if not more impact on the game. Lebron absolutely controlled the pace of the game

Good point.
I think we can all agree that 2015 Lebron >>> Peak Jordan & Peak Shaq



Wilt:

64: 34.7/25.2/3.3 on 54.3 FG%


Finals stats
64 Wilt : 29ppg on 51%TS

No thanks.
:kobe:

[Marchesk]

West in 69 Finals:

37.9/4.7/7.4 on 49.0%

Wins FMVP over top 20 all-time HOFer Hondo

Peak West >>> Lebron?

[Dr Hawk]

West in 69 Finals:

37.9/4.7/7.4 on 49.0%

Wins FMVP over top 20 all-time HOFer Hondo

Peak West >>> Lebron?

:rockon: :rockon:

[Magic 32]

Can you imagine 2000 Shaq player against this Warriors team with single coverage....


http://media.giphy.com/media/9ZxTkWztF8di/giphy.gif

43 ppg, 19 rpg, 4 apg, 2 bpg, 65fg% easy.

[Marchesk]

Can ou imagine 2000 Shaq player against this Warriors team with single coverage....

Well, they wouldn't be taking Bogut out of the starting lineup. How long he would be able to stay in the game is another matter.

Got damn! I think Shaq would set a finals scoring record and shoot over 70%.

[20Four]

I really don't get how you are not banned yet after posting bullshit after bullshit....you must be sucking some dick not to be banned

[dubeta]

Except..


Lebron wasnt single covered in the low post :lol

[DonDadda59]

Except..


Lebron wasnt single covered in the low post :lol

Except...


You're dead wrong (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OR7oP6NmfHQ)

Would love to see Draymond Green vs 2000 Shaq in single coverage every time down the court.

Bron put up the ultimate empty stats finals.

[GIF REACTION]

Lane shading detected.

[Doranku]

Bron shot 69% from the line in the finals? lmao

Wilt-esque

[Beastmode88]

dubeta banned? :rolleyes:

[DonDadda59]

Lane shading detected.

:oldlol:

With the exception of maybe 1 play, no one other than Finals MVP Iggy was ever within 5 feet of Bron. Pure isolation, 1 on 1, clear out, everyone on the other side of the court basketball.

Bron shot 30% against that and a primary defender who is 6'6" 215 lbs.

I wonder if it's too late for LeTwoLeftFeet to get a refund from Hakeem. :yaohappy:

[Straight_Ballin]

2000 Shaq Playoffs:

DBPM: +2.8
OBPM: +4.5
BPM: +7.3
VORP: 2.3

2015 Lebron Playoffs:

DBPM: +5.1
OBPM: +5.9
BPM: +11
VORP: 2.7


Shaq put up the more efficient numbers, but as far as raw impact... Lebron had just as much, if not more impact on the game. Lebron absolutely controlled the pace of the game

Lebron controls pace, while Shaq controls outcome.
Such is the difference between a WIN and a LOSS.

[Straight_Ballin]

:oldlol:

With the exception of maybe 1 play, no one other than Finals MVP Iggy was ever within 5 feet of Bron. Pure isolation, 1 on 1, clear out, everyone on the other side of the court basketball.

Bron shot 30% against that and a primary defender who is 6'6" 215 lbs.

I wonder if it's too late for LeTwoLeftFeet to get a refund from Hakeem. :yaohappy:

Ether is strong

[Sarcastic]

Lebron Family owes this board an apology for infecting us with their stupidity.

[ShaqTwizzle]

>2015
>using BPM

Completely worthless stat.

http://i62.tinypic.com/29m37yu.jpg

:kobe:

[Hey Yo]

:oldlol:

With the exception of maybe 1 play, no one other than Finals MVP Iggy was ever within 5 feet of Bron. Pure isolation, 1 on 1, clear out, everyone on the other side of the court basketball.

Bron shot 30% against that and a primary defender who is 6'6" 215 lbs.

I wonder if it's too late for LeTwoLeftFeet to get a refund from Hakeem. :yaohappy:
I had to put these on before posting cause Dons Data is bullshit

http://1000awesomethings.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/hip-waders1.jpg

Iggy's first 3 games, he played approx. 103mp.... Lebron's first 3 games = approx. 141mp.

Yet no other player on GSW came within 5 feet of LeBron on defense in those 38mins that iggy wasn't on the floor?????

Rack him in the stupidest things said in ISH thread.

[COnDEMnED]

Shaq by a landslide. Entire teams focused on stopping Shaq and mostly failed. To stop Lebron you just need to be equivalent to J.J Barea, Jason Terry, Kawhi Leonard, Andrea Igoudala, facing team USA in bronze metal games, or be larger than 4 inches.

[DonDadda59]

I had to put these on before posting cause Dons Data is bullshit

http://1000awesomethings.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/hip-waders1.jpg

Iggy's first 3 games, he played approx. 103mp.... Lebron's first 3 games = approx. 141mp.

Yet no other player on GSW came within 5 feet of LeBron on defense in those 38mins that iggy wasn't on the floor?????

Rack him in the stupidest things said in ISH thread.

:facepalm

Obviously I meant when Finals MVP Igoudala was actually on the court and defending Bron, you dunce.

When Finals MVP Iguodala was on the bench, it was Harrison Barnes covering LeCramp in single coverage.

[Hey Yo]

:facepalm

Obviously I meant when Finals MVP Igoudala was actually on the court and defending Bron, you dunce.

When Finals MVP Iguodala was on the bench, it was Harrison Barnes covering LeCramp in single coverage.
Obviously your were ruined and now backtracking after your idiocy bullshit was pointed out.

http://1000awesomethings.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/hip-waders1.jpg

:cletus:

[Cold soul]

Shaq by many miles not that close either peak Shaq has one of top three or four peaks in NBA history Lebron does not.

[dubeta]

Damn



Dondadda getting ethered again?


:yaohappy:

[DonDadda59]

Obviously your were ruined and now backtracking after your idiocy bullshit was pointed out.

http://1000awesomethings.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/hip-waders1.jpg

:cletus:

You can't possibly be this stupid... You're trying some new troll gimmick, right? :confusedshrug:

[GIF REACTION]

>2015
>using BPM

Completely worthless stat.

http://i62.tinypic.com/29m37yu.jpg

:kobe:
Just pure impact bro

Within context needed

[Akrazotile]

At the end of the day its close as shit. You cant really go wrong with either one in terms of playing impact.

I would personally take LBJ and his LBC tho bc I think the psychological benefit to teammates of their leader having an alpha sized package cant be understated. If the Cavs were healthy and facing a team as easy as the ones Shaq faced in he finals???

:roll: Jesus Christ. Goodnight league.

[ZMonkey11]

Obviously your were ruined and now backtracking after your idiocy bullshit was pointed out.

http://1000awesomethings.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/hip-waders1.jpg

:cletus:
i interpreted DonDadda's statement the way he said he meant it.

[Hey Yo]

You can't possibly be this stupid... You're trying some new troll gimmick, right? :confusedshrug:
I wasn't the one who tried to pass this off as fact, chico


Originally Posted by DonDadda59

With the exception of maybe 1 play, no one other than Finals MVP Iggy was ever within 5 feet of Bron

:crazysam: :cletus: :taketheL:

[DonDadda59]

I wasn't the one who tried to pass this off as fact, chico



:crazysam: :cletus: :taketheL:

Jesus Christ, you really are that stupid. I was obviously referencing the video I posted, which is what ImStillSnitchin was referencing. If you watch it, you'll see what I meant.

But really though... you can't possibly be that dense. I refuse to believe it.


i interpreted DonDadda's statement the way he said he meant it.

Because you are a person with an above 70 IQ and have basic comprehension skills. :applause:

[Hey Yo]

No GSW player (besides Iggy) came within 5 feet of LeBron on defense??

http://i.imgur.com/AhFisb5.gif

[DonDadda59]

No GSW player (besides Iggy) came within 5 feet of LeBron on defense??

http://i.imgur.com/AhFisb5.gif

That's the 1 play.

And look at Bron's 'footwork', my goodness. Somewhere, Hakeem is rolling over in his bed.

[Hey Yo]

Jesus Christ, you really are that stupid. I was obviously referencing the video I posted, which is what ImStillSnitchin was referencing. If you watch it, you'll see what I meant.

But really though... you can't possibly be that dense. I refuse to believe it
Outside of one play, no other GSW defender went within' 5 feet of James in your video??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OR7oP6NmfHQ

I counted 4 after the first and quit watching .....2:45...2:55...3:10...3:20...3:50...

[GIF REACTION]

Don takes the loss again.

[dubeta]

This is embarassing :yaohappy:


Step ur troll game up old man

[ShaqTwizzle]

If the Cavs were healthy and facing a team as easy as the ones Shaq faced in he finals???


Shaq's team wasn't healthy either. Kobe was injured/useless for most of the series.
Lettuce also not act like Indy was a far worse performing team come Finals time.

Here are the Finals stats for both teams + team stats

Indiana
-----
Davis : 9 / 10 on 58%TS
Chroshere : 15 / 6 on 71%TS
Miller : 28 / 3 / 4 on 66%TS
Jalen : 23 / 5 / 3 on 56%TS
Jackson : 10 / 5 / 8-apg on 55%TS

*************************************

GState
-----
Green : 13 / 8 / 5 on 50%TS
Barnes : 9 / 6 on 48%TS
Thompson : 16 / 4 / 2 on 51%TS
Iggy : 16 / 6 / 4 on 59%TS
Curry : 26 / 5 / 6 on 58%TS


Team stats
-----
Indiana : 107-ppg / 20-apg on 58%TS
GState : 100-ppg / 23-apg on 53%TS

[dubeta]

Kobe was injured/useless for most of the series.


This we can all agree on :cheers:

[DonDadda59]

Outside of one play, no other GSW defender went within' 5 feet of James in your video??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OR7oP6NmfHQ

I counted 4 after the first and quit watching .....2:45...2:55...3:10...3:20...3:50...

So you think you found a handful of instances of help defense in a 5:35 long video :lol

And hate to burst your bubble, but the only play where Iggy got any actual help was that last second missed layup by Brony. Everything else, the man was on a private island shutting down Bron to the tune of 30% FG and a finals MVP for himself.


Don takes the loss again.

Go ahead and start another thread using my name so I can punk you in public again.

:yaohappy:

[Akrazotile]

Shaq's team wasn't healthy either. Kobe was injured/useless for most of the series.
Lettuce also not act like Indy was a far worse performing team come Finals time.

Here are the Finals stats for both teams + team stats

Indiana
-----
Davis : 9 / 10 on 58%TS
Chroshere : 15 / 6 on 71%TS
Miller : 28 / 3 / 4 on 66%TS
Jalen : 23 / 5 / 3 on 56%TS
Jackson : 10 / 5 / 8-apg on 55%TS

*************************************

GState
-----
Green : 13 / 8 / 5 on 50%TS
Barnes : 9 / 6 on 48%TS
Thompson : 16 / 4 / 2 on 51%TS
Iggy : 16 / 6 / 4 on 59%TS
Curry : 26 / 5 / 6 on 58%TS


Team stats
-----
Indiana : 107-ppg / 20-apg on 58%TS
GState : 100-ppg / 23-apg on 53%TS


Like I said, it's REALLY CLOSE. I wouldn't fault someone for taking either guy.

But if we're talkin tiebreakers, Lebron is simply bigger where it matters most. That's the difference.

[chazzy]

Except..


Lebron wasnt single covered in the low post :lol
Your agendas are all mixed up now

[dhsilv]

Who was better?


BEFORE POSTING READ THIS!:


Playoff stats:



LeBron 2015


30.1 points 11.3 rebounds 8.5 assists 1.7 steals 1.1 blocks



Shaq 2000 (absolute peak)


30.7 points 15.4 rebounds 3.1 assists 0.6 steals 2.4 blocks




Finals stats


LeBron 2015

35.8 points 13.3 rebounds 8.8 assists


Shaq 2000


38.3 points 16.7 rebounds 2.3 assists





:biggums:


People Rag on LeBrons Playoffs and Finals this season


But..




Statistically it was arguably as good or BETTER Than Peak Shaq (GOAT tier)








30 year old 40,000 + minutes LeBron was more dominant than Peak Shaq :wtf:

Can you post meaningful stats? You've not posted anything we can use to compare yet. I'll wait.

[Gileraracer]

I cannot remember Shaq being destroyed by role players.

The other one? Boris Diaw, Kawhi Leonard, Andre Iguodala :lol

[TheMan]

LeStans still proving to be by far the dumbest fanbase here :applause:

[dh144498]

Sure thing


LeBron 2015 playoffs

73.1%


Finals 2015

68.7%




Shaq 2000 playoffs

46.6%



Finals 2000
38.7%


:lol

this is so sad. I feel bad for you, little guy.
:(

[NBAplayoffs2001]

Not going to even bother reading. Did LeBron win 3 rings in a row in 3 years?

[riseagainst]

dafuq is this shiznit?

:roll:

[AirFederer]

Jesus Christ, you really are that stupid. I was obviously referencing the video I posted, which is what ImStillSnitchin was referencing. If you watch it, you'll see what I meant.

But really though... you can't possibly be that dense. I refuse to believe it.



Because you are a person with an above 70 IQ and have basic comprehension skills. :applause:
:lol :lol :lol
:cheers:

[eeeeeebro]

there is one thing not mentioned (lebron scored a shit ton of points in dog house minutes against Warriors 3rd team after warriors blew cleavland out)

[dubeta]

So apparently, there are no arguments for a Peak Shaq?

:biggums:

[Lebronxrings]

Lebron. Hes carried a much inferior team.

[Prime_Shaq]

Shaq >

[dubeta]

Shaq >

Looks at LeBrons stats compared to Shaq


Its close but LeBron was slightly better, the assist advantage is too big.

.

[Marchesk]

So apparently, there are no arguments for a Peak Shaq?

:biggums:

Other than FG%, rim protection, points, dominance, FMVP, championship

[Spurs5Rings2014]

Shaq's team wasn't healthy either. Kobe was injured/useless for most of the series.
Lettuce also not act like Indy was a far worse performing team come Finals time.

Here are the Finals stats for both teams + team stats

Indiana
-----
Davis : 9 / 10 on 58%TS
Chroshere : 15 / 6 on 71%TS
Miller : 28 / 3 / 4 on 66%TS
Jalen : 23 / 5 / 3 on 56%TS
Jackson : 10 / 5 / 8-apg on 55%TS

*************************************

GState
-----
Green : 13 / 8 / 5 on 50%TS
Barnes : 9 / 6 on 48%TS
Thompson : 16 / 4 / 2 on 51%TS
Iggy : 16 / 6 / 4 on 59%TS
Curry : 26 / 5 / 6 on 58%TS


Team stats
-----
Indiana : 107-ppg / 20-apg on 58%TS
GState : 100-ppg / 23-apg on 53%TS

:biggums:

[Bless Mathews]

So BOTH the raw stats, and the advanced stats agree with LeBron? :biggums:




So 30 year old LeBron is 100% >>> Peak Shaq? :wtf:








If you guys Cannot refute these statements, you guys are indirectly admitting that LeBron is the GOAT. Find evidence to dismiss these statements, or you have to agree that LeBron is GOAT.


HE DIDNT FUCCIN WIN YOU STUPID STUPID PIECE OF GONORHEEA RIDDEN PUSS POCKET

[Bless Mathews]

I wasn't the one who tried to pass this off as fact, chico



:crazysam: :cletus: :taketheL:

This how Bron stans are.

Idiots.

Use some STAT to try to disprove something when the EYE test is all you need.

Bron had the ball every fuccin possession.

Of course he gonna score points.

He didn't do shit passes 5 feet in.


Flopped his way to the line.

Finals mvp is a scrub.

Couldn't hit the broad side of the barn from outside.


And HE FUCCIN LOST.


It's true. Stans follow their Leader. Bron cares about stats. All his stans can stand on is bs stats, cus 2/6 stings too bad.

Fuccin idiots.

[NZStreetBaller]

how long did shaq have the ball?

[warriorfan]

lebron stans dont watch games, they watch box scores

[dubeta]

lebron stans dont watch games, they watch box scores

Mexicans dont watch games.... at all

[Bless Mathews]

lebron stans dont watch games, they watch box scores


Word.

Just like their floppin, runnin to the better stacked team bitchmade idol, all they care is about stats.

Not winning the game.

[lil jahlil]

Who was better?


BEFORE POSTING READ THIS!:


Playoff stats:



LeBron 2015


30.1 points 11.3 rebounds 8.5 assists 1.7 steals 1.1 blocks



Shaq 2000 (absolute peak)


30.7 points 15.4 rebounds 3.1 assists 0.6 steals 2.4 blocks




Finals stats


LeBron 2015

35.8 points 13.3 rebounds 8.8 assists


Shaq 2000


38.3 points 16.7 rebounds 2.3 assists





:biggums:


People Rag on LeBrons Playoffs and Finals this season


But..




Statistically it was arguably as good or BETTER Than Peak Shaq (GOAT tier)








30 year old 40,000 + minutes LeBron was more dominant than Peak Shaq :wtf:

:facepalm