MJ's iso game had it all

[3ball]

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Elite mid-range repertoire vs. All-NBA defense, 6'9" Derrick McKey:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/10-01-2015/Wj3frT.gif



Elite bail-out shot ability vs. DPOY Dennis Rodman (despite the hand-checking):


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/10-01-2015/V2-pAN.gif



GOAT turnaround jumpshot vs. Grant Hill and Penny:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/10-01-2015/3eWwF5.gif

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/10-01-2015/kV0RAl.gif



Blow-bys vs. Penny and Eddie Jones from triple-threat (pre-dribble, stationary position):


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/10-01-2015/6_soPY.gif

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/10-01-2015/2c0IIH.gif



MJ abusing athletic, 6'6" Ron Harper from triple-threat:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/10-01-2015/QL6EFC.gif

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/10-01-2015/FJ3f97.gif



Triple-threat iso's vs. 6'8" Sean Elliot:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/10-01-2015/sibisL.gif

http://i.imgur.com/M1Ze5BJ.gif

[3ball]

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And blow-by using live dribble/ball-domination vs. DPOY's Rodman and Michael Cooper:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/10-02-2015/Ipxd2k.gif

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/5-16-2015/c2PZU2.gif

[ShaqTwizzle]

http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/4/590x/gary-payton-437258.jpg

[Cocaine80s]

Kobe>>>

[kennethgriffin]

2nd greatest ISO player i've ever seen

but still the GOAT due to his overall career

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

3ball- You don't think the 2 million other threads you've dedicated to Jordan were enough?

:coleman:

Mike better be paying you for that time and dedication.

[dubeta]

It's easy to isolate when teams arent allowed to zone up on you

[DonDadda59]

It's easy to isolate when teams arent allowed to zone up on you

Is it now? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OR7oP6NmfHQ) :lebronamazed:

[sportjames23]

http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/4/590x/gary-payton-437258.jpg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL62CUehuw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuryGoKXT-Q

[Asukal]

3ball is the complete definition of a stan. He has it all. :applause: :roll: :lol

[Beastmode88]

Is it now? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OR7oP6NmfHQ) :lebronamazed:

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[kennethgriffin]

Is it now? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OR7oP6NmfHQ) :lebronamazed:



lebron settles so much for mid range fadeaways


doesnt he know he shoots like 5% on those types of shots

[90sgoat]

Ether as you kids like to say.

MJ couldn't be guarded one on one. Some players could do a better job but Mike was going to get his.

[HighFlyer23]

That first step

[To4]

MJ with the elite first step.. like a blur

[HighFlyer23]

MJ with the elite first step.. like a blur

It really is the first step that separates him from everybody else

[kennethgriffin]

It really is the first step that separates him from everybody else

so a physical attribute is his greatest asset


i agree

[To4]

And I can't understand why other people keep on saying that midgets always guards MJ.

because the bigger defender can't catch up with him, but a smaller defender can stay with him but will still get destroyed on height difference

[ShawkFactory]

so a physical attribute is his greatest asset


i agree
That separates him from others, yes.

[kennethgriffin]

And I can't understand why other people keep on saying that midgets always guards MJ.

because the bigger defender can't catch up with him, but a smaller defender can stay with him but will still get destroyed on height difference


theres 6-5 to 6-8 guys that have played since jordan retired that were just as fast as MJ


there just werent as many dynamic wings back then

jordans wing competition was comparable to wilt

he was just ahead of his time

[HighFlyer23]

theres 6-5 to 6-8 guys that have played since jordan retired that were just as fast as MJ


there just werent as many dynamic wings back then

jordans wing competition was comparable to wilt

he was just ahead of his time

Still haven't seen a 6'6" wing with kind of first step or quickness

There are guys who have been faster, stronger, more powerful, who jump higher but I've never seen that kind of first step and ability to reach the basket

[DonDadda59]

theres 6-5 to 6-8 guys that have played since jordan retired that were just as fast as MJ


there just werent as many dynamic wings back then

jordans wing competition was comparable to wilt

he was just ahead of his time

What the f*ck are you talking about? :oldlol:

Dominique Wilkins and Clyde Drexler weren't 'dynamic wings'?

And let's not forget that bench scrub Kobe was drafted in 1996.


And I can't understand why other people keep on saying that midgets always guards MJ.

because the bigger defender can't catch up with him, but a smaller defender can stay with him but will still get destroyed on height difference

Idiots who think Steve Nash and Steph Curry winning MVPs = sign that wings are more dynamic now :lol

Jordan was guarded by plenty of guys 6'7"-'6'9" throughout his career (from DPOY Dennis Rodman in the 80s to DPOY Ron Artest in the 00s)

Here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJO8yQ7Xxaw) he is putting it on 6'7" 270 lbs Anthony Mason when MJ was 35 years old.

[3ball]

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MJ isolating Tracy McGrady:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/10-02-2015/X7-ZJI.gif



MJ blow-by poster on David Robinson:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/10-02-2015/M_LiFJ.gif



MJ vs. All-NBA defender John Starks:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/10-02-2015/i6lcsz.gif



MJ off-the-dribble vs. All-NBA defender Dennis Johnson:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/10-02-2015/BbnLMz.gif

[3ball]

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/10-02-2015/0Myk7U.gif


there just werent as many dynamic wings back then



List the guys in today's game that you think are "dynamic wings" and let's compare - i'll get you started:


Magic................... Lebron
Bird..................... Kobe
Dominique............ Durant
Clyde................... Wade
Penny.................. Westbrook
Grant Hill............. Harden
Pippen................. Leonard
Bernard King......... Carmelo
James Worthy........ Pierce


I didn't even need to use MJ, Shawn Kemp, Gary Payton, Larry Nance, Spreewell, Reggie Lewis, Mitch Richmond, Ron Harper or Eddie Jones.. :confusedshrug:
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[Cocaine80s]

List the guys in today's game that you think are "dynamic wings" and let's compare - i'll get you started:


Magic................... Lebron
Bird..................... Kobe
Dominique............ Durant
Clyde................... Wade
Penny.................. Westbrook
Grant Hill............. Harden
Pippen................. Leonard
Bernard King......... Carmelo
James Worthy........ Pierce


I didn't even need to use MJ, Shawn Kemp, Gary Payton, Larry Nance, Spreewell, Reggie Lewis, Mitch Richmond, Ron Harper or Eddie Jones.. :confusedshrug:
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PG & Butler would shut down Jordan with ease

[3ball]

PG & Butler would shut down Jordan with ease


Those guys aren't any better than the many defenders already shown itt, and neither holds a candle to DPOY and All-NBA defenders Rodman/Dumars.

MJ averaged 32 ppg on 47% for his career vs. those guys and averaged those same numbers in the 1989 and 1990 ecf vs. the "Jordan Rules".

The Jordan Rules (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIY_4vIxGEE&t=22m49s) were double-teams literally (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=386210) every single time he caught the ball, which is something no player ever faced before or since (other than Wilt).
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[Cocaine80s]

Those guys aren't any better than the many defenders already shown itt, and neither holds a candle to DPOY and All-NBA defenders Rodman/Dumars.

MJ averaged 32 ppg on 47% for his career vs. those guys and averaged those same numbers in the 1989 and 1990 ecf vs. the "Jordan Rules".

The Jordan Rules (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIY_4vIxGEE&t=22m49s) were double-teams literally (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=386210) every single time he caught the ball, which is something no player ever faced before or since (other than Wilt).
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Lets not forget about Tony Allen either


Jordan would be James Harden with better defense in this era

[3ball]

Jordan would be James Harden with better defense in this era



Let's not forget about Michael Cooper.. As for Harden - can you imagine James Harden making ANY of the plays on this page:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=384007&page=4



Also, Harden is a weakling compared to MJ... :confusedshrug:


RON ARTEST:


"MJ is the toughest to guard because he's as strong as Lebron, he shoots just as good as Reggie Miller from the midrange, and he's tough... He's a killer out there on the court."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5dXZxj6Zbc&t=0m59s


MAGIC JOHNSON:


"MJ's strength is like a big man's. He's the strongest guard, I'm talking about body-wise, to ever play."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIY_4vIxGEE&t=1m52s

[Cocaine80s]

Can you imagine James Harden making ANY of the plays on this page:


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=384007&page=4



Also, Harden is a weakling compared to MJ... :confusedshrug:


RON ARTEST:


"MJ is the toughest to guard because he's as strong as Lebron, he shoots just as good as Reggie Miller from the midrange, and he's tough... He's a killer out there on the court."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5dXZxj6Zbc&t=0m59s


MAGIC JOHNSON:


"MJ's strength is like a big man's. He's the strongest guard, I'm talking about body-wise, to ever play."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIY_4vIxGEE&t=1m52s
MJ is not strong at all

I would put him at KD level strength

You are sounding like a Wilt stan with these myths

[Cocaine80s]

I'll take Magic and Ron Artest's word over yours.. And I'll rely on the obvious eye test - try to imagine Kobe, Westbrook, Lebron, Harden or Durant doing any of these moves below - THEY SIMPLY CAN'T - they don't have the full combination of athleticism necessary (including big hands):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MaYccWpdZ4
http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/8-27-2015/zU1xdh.gif
http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/10-01-2015/Kxoq9J.gif
http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/9-25-2015/sKMzUP.gif


Also, this video happens to show a lot of examples in succession where MJ is overpowering defenders in the paint:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1FsD9Y7NfY&t=0m35s
Didnt even read.


Jordan is not even as strong as Wade

http://images.sodahead.com/polls/003331761/50501224_Dwyane_Wade_Vogue_Magazine_Spread_answer_ 9_xlarge.jpeg


Please dont compare him to the King....... ever.

[Dr Hawk]

MJ :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

No one is remotely close to hhim :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[3ball]

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/10-02-2015/lRk1E9.gif


Wade is stronger than MJ.



Wade is only 6'4"... He's a shrimp next to MJ with a smaller bone structure.

MJ would shoot jumpers over Wade and bully him all day the same way he did All-NBA defender Bobby Phills, who was bigger and stronger than Wade.

And he'd use headfakes on Wade the same way as Phills in the gif above, because Wade is a block-happy 2-guard with poor defensive fundamentals.

[sportjames23]

PG & Butler would shut down Jordan with ease


Time for you to stop posting.

[Lebron23]

A bunch of old people in this thread. You might as well wear diapers.

[Cocaine80s]

Wade is only 6'4"... He's a shrimp next to MJ with a smaller bone structure.

MJ would shoot jumpers over Wade and bully him all day the same way he did All-NBA defender Bobby Phills, who was bigger and stronger than Wade.

And he'd use headfakes on Wade the same way as Phills in the gif above, because Wade is a block-happy 2-guard with poor defensive fundamentals.
Wade would bully MJ

[3ball]

Wade would bully MJ
Magic couldn't even bully MJ.. Wade is shorter with smaller bone structure than MJ... MJ is easily stronger
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[Cocaine80s]

Magic couldn't even bully MJ.. Wade is shorter with smaller bone structure than MJ... MJ is easily stronger
Magic also contracted aids, hes weak



Wade would dominate Jordan

[3ball]

Wade would dominate Jordan


Wade isn't even as strong as Bobby Phills, who was a better defender too.. MJ destroyed Phills..

Again, Phills was shorter with smaller bone structure, just like Wade.

[dubeta]

Magic couldn't even bully MJ.. Wade is shorter with smaller bone structure than MJ... MJ is easily stronger
.



MJ is shorter with a smaller bone structure than LeBron


LeBron would bully him as well

[Cocaine80s]

MJ is shorter with a smaller bone structure than LeBron


LeBron would bully him as well
http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz352/WhammyBusiness/Gifs/KevinGarnettShocked.gif

[3ball]

MJ is shorter with a smaller bone structure than LeBron


LeBron would bully him as well
Not anymore than he did Andre Igoudala, who is the same size as MJ.

Iggy held Lebron to 30% shooting.. That destroys your hopes and dreams itt

[3ball]

Wade would dominate Jordan


Career Averages Head-to-Head (19 games):

Kobe: 27.3 ppg on 44.1%
Wade: 24.2 ppg on 44.8%


So add at least 5 points to both scoring and FG% for MJ's averages - MJ was MUCH stronger than Kobe... So he would've made Wade his son


http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz352/WhammyBusiness/Gifs/KevinGarnettShocked.gif

[Vaniiiia]

MJ is shorter with a smaller bone structure than LeBron


LeBron would bully him as well
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.coolage.in/media/2013/10/funny-gif-baby-scared-laughing-reactions.gif

:eek:

Ether.com/MJgamblingdebts

[Cocaine80s]

MJ is shorter with a smaller bone structure than LeBron


LeBron would bully him as well
http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz352/WhammyBusiness/Gifs/KevinGarnettShocked.gif

http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz352/WhammyBusiness/Gifs/KevinGarnettShocked.gif
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http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz352/WhammyBusiness/Gifs/KevinGarnettShocked.gif

[Lebron23]

Wade is only an inch shorter than Jordan.

[3ball]

Ether.com/MJgamblingdebts


Lebron wouldn't do any better vs. MJ than he did against Andre Igoudala, who is the same size as MJ and a worse defender.

And Iggy held Lebron to 30% shooting... Since MJ's a much better defender, how bad do you think Lebron shoots vs. MJ?... It's hard to get much worse tbh.

My guess is that since MJ would be scoring twice as much as Iggy, Lebron wouldn't have the energy to take anywhere near 33 shots per game or shoot 30% and his team would be summarily swept.


http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz352/WhammyBusiness/Gifs/KevinGarnettShocked.gif

[Cocaine80s]

Lebron wouldn't do any better vs. MJ than he did against Andre Igoudala, who is the same size as MJ and a worse defender.

Iggy held Lebron to 30% shooting... MJ's a much better defender, so how bad do you thinkk he shoots vs. MJ?... It's hard to get much worse tbh.

My guess is that since MJ would be scoring twice as much as Iggy, Lebron wouldn't have the energy to take anywhere near 33 shots per game or shoot 30% and his team would be summarily swept.


http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz352/WhammyBusiness/Gifs/KevinGarnettShocked.gif
Iggy is much stronger than MJ

Lebron would bully jordan in the post while cruising to a fmvp

[3ball]

Iggy is much weaker than MJ



Fixed.


https://i.imgflip.com/rudtg.gif

[Vaniiiia]

Lebron wouldn't do any better vs. MJ than he did against Andre Igoudala, who is the same size as MJ and a worse defender.

Iggy held Lebron to 30% shooting... MJ's a much better defender, so how bad do you thinkk he shoots vs. MJ?... It's hard to get much worse tbh.

My guess is that since MJ would be scoring twice as much as Iggy, Lebron wouldn't have the energy to take anywhere near 33 shots per game and his team would be summarily swept.

http://specialfarm.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/chris-farley-rage.gif










You got MURDERED. Take the L, and move on. We're not interested in your stupid ****ing theories.

Iggy is WAY more built than MJ was. Lower body fat%, but bigger bones.

And using the same logic you used against LeBron, if MJ was shooting that much HE wouldn't have the energy to guard LeBron like Iggy did, who only took 11 shots per game.

http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz352/WhammyBusiness/Gifs/KevinGarnettShocked.gif

[dubeta]

If a 6'4 190 pound Gary Payton had MJ on lockdown, then a bigger faster stronger 6'9 260 pound LeBron would have the narcissist gambler on a leash the entire series

:yaohappy:

[Dragonyeuw]

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http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/10-01-2015/2c0IIH.gif





What stands out to me apart from the first step that obviously catches the defender off-guard, is how much distance he covers when he plants his left foot and take off. Most guys, in order to cover that kind of ground, need a running start and then jump off the one leg without gathering and let momentum carry them through the air. That just highlights the kind of versatility MJ had in jumping, he pretty much could jump explosively regardless of the situation. And this was like 33 year old MJ, not even the absolute peak of his athleticism.

[Cocaine80s]

http://specialfarm.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/chris-farley-rage.gif










You got MURDERED. Take the L, and move on. We're not interested in your stupid ****ing theories.

Iggy is WAY more built than MJ was. Lower body fat%, but bigger bones.

And using the same logic you used against LeBron, if MJ was shooting that much HE wouldn't have the energy to guard LeBron like Iggy did, who only took 11 shots per game.

http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz352/WhammyBusiness/Gifs/KevinGarnettShocked.gif



If a 6'4 190 pound Gary Payton had MJ on lockdown, then a bigger faster stronger 6'9 260 pound LeBron would have the narcissist gambler on a leash the entire series

:yaohappy:

http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz352/WhammyBusiness/Gifs/KevinGarnettShocked.gif

http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz352/WhammyBusiness/Gifs/KevinGarnettShocked.gif

http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz352/WhammyBusiness/Gifs/KevinGarnettShocked.gif

[No_Look604]

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[3ball]

And using the same logic you used against LeBron, MJ wouldn't have energy to guard Lebron since MJ is shooting so much


MJ had enough energy to guard Magic while averaging 33/7/11 on 56%.. And Magic actually posted up more than 15% of the time... This is an open and shut case.

Btw, MJ and Iggy are both 6'6 and 210 pounds.. Actually, MJ weighed more than Iggy during the 2nd three-peat.

[Cocaine80s]

MJ had enough energy to guard Magic while averaging 33/7/11 on 56%.. And Magic actually posted up more than 15% of the time... This is an open and shut case.

Btw, MJ and Iggy are both 6'6 and 210 pounds.. Actually, MJ weighed more than Iggy during the 2nd three-peat.
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Andre-Iguodala-2918/

6'6 3/4 and 217 pounds before he was even drafted


Dude was skinny back then too, probably weighs 230-240 right now

[3ball]

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/9-28-2015/ew2ZUl.gif


Lebron would bully jordan in the post while cruising to a fmvp




Lebron would never have the energy to chase MJ's off-ball game and relentless attack all night - MJ would give Lebron cramps again, especially if he knew Lebron had stamina issues


http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/539139d969bedd317b996148/lebron-carried.gif

[3ball]

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Andre-Iguodala-2918/

6'6 3/4 and 217 pounds before he was even drafted


That's the same size as MJ... MJ was 215... But the reality is that Iggy is 207 now according to the NBA:

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/andre_iguodala/


That's smaller than MJ, and MJ was a much better defender.. Honestly, you have no argument - no size argument, no defense argument... Lebron simply shot 30% against a guy who is MJ's size and plays much worse D.
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[Cocaine80s]

That's the same size as MJ... MJ was 215... But the reality is that Iggy is 207 now according to the NBA:

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/andre_iguodala/


That's smaller than MJ, and MJ was a much better defender.. Honestly, you have no argument - no size argument, no defense argument... Lebron simply shot 30% against a guy who is MJ's size and plays much worse D.
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http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Andre+Iguodala+gREf5WuvIbJm.jpg
http://media.thehoopdoctors.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/andre-iguodala-warriors-rt-float-2.jpg
vs

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/05/17/article-2326110-19D6B056000005DC-137_634x625.jpg



nice try tho

[raprap]

Kobe Bean Bryant.

[Mr. Jabbar]

weak iso game when compared to the kung. he can steamroll over any defense

#kung

[3ball]

http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Andre+Iguodala+gREf5WuvIbJm.jpg

nice try tho


the fact that iggy has bigger biceps but still weighs the same shows that MJ's bones are heavier, and his muscles superior/more tightly wound and explosive.. so therefore he's stronger - he can lean on Lebron and push him better.

and in a cage match, MJ wins the war of attrition because he doesn't have to use his muscles as much, which tire... MJ can just use his his natural, superior strength that's in his bones.. Plus his muscles are better anyway - more tightly wound and explosive like a cat.

the weight is what matters... not the bicep size... and the weight of MJ and Iggy is the same, while MJ is the much better defender... and MJ is definitely the better post defender - he had to guard the post every other possession, whereas Iggy almost never has to guard the post in today's game - not even against Lebron.
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[Lebowsky]

the fact that iggy has bigger biceps but still weighs the same as MJ shows that MJ's bones are heavier, and therefore he's stronger - he can lean on Lebron better and in a cage match, MJ has the advantage with the heavier bones..

MJ wins the war of attrition because he doesn't have to use his muscles as much, which tire... MJ can just use his his natural, superior strength that's in his bones.

the weight is what matters... not the bicep size... and the weight of MJ and Iggy is the same, while MJ is the much better defender... and MJ is definitely the better post defender - he had to guard the post every other possession, whereas Iggy almost never has to guard the post in today's game - not even against Lebron.

This may very well be the stupidest thing I've read all week.

[3ball]

This may very well be the stupidest thing I've read all week.
how do you explain iggy having bigger biceps but still weighing the same?

it can only be because MJ has heavier bones and his muscles are superior/wound tighter, more explosive, like a cat.

what's your explanation for Iggy's bigger biceps, but equal weight?

[dannywpt]

Did it have 3 point shooting, though?

[3ball]

Did it have 3 point shooting, though?
MJ wouldn't need it today any more than Wade needed it in 2009 when he led the NBA in scoring, or Westbrook this year.

[andgar923]

how do you explain iggy having bigger biceps but still weighing the same?

it can only be because MJ has heavier bones and his muscles are superior/wound tighter, more explosive, like a cat.

what's your explanation for Iggy's bigger biceps, but equal weight?

I have bigger biceps, calves, triceps than everyone I work with. Those dudes really don't have much muscle definition at all, shit they're thin. One dude is a body builder but doesn't have any definition, my biceps, triceps and calves are bigger than his.

Yet they all weigh more than I do.

Also related to your argument, when I was young I was skinny. But I was a wiry strong dude, was as strong or stronger than people bigger than I was. I have good fast twitch muscles and a high metabolism. My weight actually fluctuates every week depending on how much I ate. I range from 157-165 (give or take).

Even at my heaviest (185) I was still faster and lighter on my feet than people 150 ish, even at 150 I was stronger than most people at 180.

TLDR... muscle mass/definition doesn't mean one is heavier or stronger.

[CarlosBoozer]

Mj in this era is Kobe with less rings due to no shaq and pippen.

[ralph_i_el]

https://i.warosu.org/data/tg/img/0385/13/1425682658071.jpg
>MFW I see another 3ball thread


on the real though, MJ is probably a top-3 1-on-1 scorer.

[3ball]

Even at my heaviest (185) I was still faster and lighter on my feet than people 150 ish, even at 150 I was stronger than most people at 180.

TLDR... muscle mass/definition doesn't mean one is heavier or stronger.


Exactly, and in MJ's case, he weighs the same as Iggy despite having smaller biceps, so he has to make it up somewhere.

Accordingly, MJ either has heavier bones and/or his muscles are superior/wound-tighter/more efficiently constructed.

MJ's superior, tighter muscles explains why he's so much more explosive and QUICKER than Iggy... Btw, since I've brought up the topic of MJ's superior, more tightly-wound muscles allowing for more explosiveness/quickness, the haters have left the thread.

[ralph_i_el]

Exactly, and in MJ's case, he weighs the same as Iggy despite having smaller biceps, so he has to make it up somewhere.

Accordingly, MJ either has heavier bones and/or his muscles are superior/wound-tighter/more efficiently constructed.

MJ's superior, tighter muscles explains why he's so much more explosive and QUICKER than Iggy... Btw, since I've brought up the topic of MJ's superior, more tightly-wound muscles allowing for more explosiveness/quickness, the haters have left the thread.

Iggy's lugging around a long shlong and a set of man balls. MJ didn't have that holding him back.

[andgar923]

Iggy's lugging around a long shlong and a set of man balls. MJ didn't have that holding him back.

Yet he still stopped Bron.

[ralph_i_el]

Yet he still stopped Bron.

obviously. You can't hand-check anymore. Nobody said anything about dong-checking

[andgar923]

obviously. You can't hand-check anymore. Nobody said anything about dong-checking

this is getting very gay. :biggums: :biggums: :biggums:

[Beastmode88]

MJ vs Iggy is a discussion now. :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Chicago Ted]

What does it move you to post about MJ everyday? I mean he was great and all but its a bit cringeworthy to watch you every single day just talking only and entirely about mj. Its like a clinical case.

[DonDadda59]

obviously. You can't hand-check anymore.

Luckily for no skills Bron. Look what a broken down Bean did to him with a little old school full court handchecking:

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/10-02-2015/vTBESR.gif

Bron with handchecking allowed = homeless man's Grant Hill.


MJ vs Iggy is a discussion now. :roll: :roll: :roll:

Wait till they start comparing Pippen and Boris Diaw.

[GIF REACTION]

Except a 3 point shot

[3ball]

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/10-02-2015/0Myk7U.gif


there just werent as many dynamic wings back then



List the guys in today's game that you think are "dynamic wings" and let's compare - i'll get you started:


Magic................... Lebron
Bird..................... Kobe
Dominique............ Durant
Clyde................... Wade
Penny.................. Westbrook
Grant Hill............. Harden
Pippen................. Leonard
Bernard King......... Carmelo
James Worthy........ Pierce


I didn't even need to use MJ, Shawn Kemp, Gary Payton, Larry Nance, Sprewell, Reggie Lewis, Mitch Richmond, Ron Harper or Eddie Jones.. :confusedshrug:

[DavisIsMyUniBro]

MJ is the Greatest ever.

He is the greatest 1 on 1 wing iso player ever as well.

but the question is, why is lebron even in this discussion? he isnt exactly an "iso specialist"

Even though Jordan blows him (and lebron) out of the water in isos, Kobe would be a better comparison.

[90sgoat]

how do you explain iggy having bigger biceps but still weighing the same?

Steroids and training for vanity, not function.

This is an olympic lifter, the strongest, most explosive athletes in the world, who have mindboggling verticals:

https://www.t-nation.com/img/photos/2012/12-737-05/snatch.jpg

http://www.womensweightlifting.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/10008_495917333796429_273056645_n1.jpg

No big bicep, no huge pectoralis muscles, just power and function.