Hoops Critic Top 50 of all-time

[JohnMax]

http://www.hoopscritic.com/category/hoopscritic-hot-50/

[riseagainst]

lebron at #7...
should be #2

[GIF REACTION]

Pretty solid

I'd switch Bird and Duncan

[Sakkreth]

Shaq can never ever be below Kobe no matter where you put them. Kobe was Shaq's sidekick.

[riseagainst]

Shaq can never ever be below Kobe no matter where you put them. Kobe was Shaq's sidekick.

does this mean Wade > Shaq > Kobe on the all time list?

[ISHGoat]

Id switch Lebron and Duncan, and even then, Duncan is too low.

[GoatBoy]

does this mean Wade > Shaq > Kobe on the all time list?


:no: Kobe was peak Shaq's sidekick

No way in hell would he be sidekick to 06 Shaq

[aj1987]

Absolutely shit list. Kidd over Drexler and Ewing? LeBron over Shaq? Shaq at #10? Cousy, Isiah, Stockton, D-Rob, etc. over Wade?

Horrible list. Whoever made that should never be allowed to post about basketball ever again.

[HOoopCityJones]

The way people hype up Lerbon now days is sickening.

Not just over Kobe, but Duncan and Shaq too? HA

[dubeta]

The way people hype up Lerbon now days is sickening.

Not just over Kobe, but Duncan and Shaq too? HA

Career PER >> everything

[DaOldLion]

Career PER >> everything

Dwayne Wade is 8th all time in career PER which ranks him higher than Magic, Bird, KAJ, Duncan, Kobe & Oscar

[dubeta]

Dwayne Wade is 8th all time in career PER which ranks him higher than Magic, Bird, KAJ, Duncan, Kobe & Oscar

A prime Wade was a beast, too bad he declined worse than spoilt milk after 2009

[DaOldLion]

Absolutely shit list. Kidd over Drexler and Ewing? LeBron over Shaq? Shaq at #10? Cousy, Isiah, Stockton, D-Rob, etc. over Wade?

Horrible list. Whoever made that should never be allowed to post about basketball ever again.

Isiah being higher all time over Wade is not controversial

[kennethgriffin]

the guy who made this article is obviously a casual fan at best


Anyone who has oscar ahead of hakeem = lol


















Btw lol@ bran ahead of kobe/duncan/shaq

[Young X]

Absolutely shit list. Kidd over Drexler and Ewing? LeBron over Shaq? Shaq at #10? Cousy, Isiah, Stockton, D-Rob, etc. over Wade?

Horrible list. Whoever made that should never be allowed to post about basketball ever again.I agree with you, but there's nothing wrong with putting Robinson over Wade.

[DaOldLion]

A prime Wade was a beast, too bad he declined worse than spoilt milk after 2009

Wade was ranked 3rd in PER during the 2011 nba season..

[DaOldLion]

And speaking of PER, Kevin Love was 3rd in the league during the 2014 season

:oldlol: :oldlol:

[dubeta]

Wade was ranked 3rd in PER during the 2011 nba season..

PER doesnt tell much for a single season, career PER >> single season PER, better gauge of impact


AD had the highest PER this season, even though LeBron was better


So you can't use single season PER, only career

[kennethgriffin]

Per says bill russell isnt a top 50 player all time

[DaOldLion]

PER doesnt tell much for a single season, career PER >> single season PER, better gauge of impact


AD had the highest PER this season, even though LeBron was better


So you can't use single season PER, only career

this is some terrible logic

if it doesn't count in a single year then why would it matter so much more when all of those single years are averaged out :facepalm

[Vaniiiia]

this is some terrible logic

if it doesn't count in a single year then why would it matter so much more when all of those single years are averaged out :facepalm
Anyone can have a lucky season, but you cant have a lucky career.

LeBron stands the test of time. He's the best ever.

[dubeta]

this is some terrible logic

if it doesn't count in a single year then why would it matter so much more when all of those single years are averaged out :facepalm



Does whoever who gets the highest scoring game in a season the best scorer that year?

Is Kyrie the best scorer in the NBA cause he dropped 57?


No it has to do with averages


Same with PER, career PER >>> season PER

[riseagainst]

Does whoever who gets the highest scoring game in a season the best scorer that year?

Is Kyrie the best scorer in the NBA cause he dropped 57?


No it has to do with averages


Same with PER, career PER >>> season PER

so are you saying that MJ > Lebron?

[Vaniiiia]

so are you saying that MJ > Lebron?
Nobody said it was the be all end all.

But Kobe all the way down at 20 is pretty indicative of where he stands in the all-time rankings.

Factoring in eye test LeBron is better than Mike. If LeBron played in the 90's especially on those stacked Bulls teams, his PER would be in the 30's. Jordan faced no competition on the perimeter and had free reign to chuck while his teammates did most of the dirty work for him.

When he retired for the first time in 93 after getting his father killed over gambling debts, they went on to win almost 60 games without him. Obviously his impact and "PER" was highly overrated.

[dubeta]

Nobody said it was the be all end all.

But Kobe all the way down at 20 is pretty indicative of where he stands in the all-time rankings.

Factoring in eye test LeBron is better than Mike. If LeBron played in the 90's especially on those stacked Bulls teams, his PER would be in the 30's. Jordan faced no competition on the perimeter and had free reign to chuck while his teammates did most of the dirty work for him.

When he retired for the first time in 93 after getting his father killed over gambling debts, they went on to win almost 60 games without him. Obviously his impact and "PER" was highly overrated.


Fcking ether


riseagainst desperately wants to be a part of the LeBron Family but just doesn't have the intelligence to contribute to a logical discussion

[SouBeachTalents]

That was honestly a good list, especially the top 20 or so. The only major gaffe was having Gervin too high

[JimmyMcAdocious]

Am I the only one who has never heard of that site until now?

[Deuce Bigalow]

How they rated....

LeBron

The Flag Bearer: Justin Rowan (1).
The Barn Burner: Brian Geltzeiler and Lang Greene (10).
How did the other guys rank James: Matt Drappel (2), Josh Eberley (3), Robert Littal (4), James Holas (4), Adi Joseph (6), Marc Griffin (7), Will Reeve (7), Jacob Noble (8), Justin Termine (8), Shane Young (9), and Justin Salkin (9).
Average vote: 6.3

Duncan

The Flag Bearer: Justin Salkin (3).
The Barn Burner: Matt Drappel (13).
How did the other guys rank Duncan: Shane Young (5), Marc Griffin (5), Will Reeve (5), Jacob Noble (7), Justin Rowan (7), Justin Termine (7), Lang Greene (7), Brian Geltzeiler (7), Josh Eberley (8), Adi Joseph (8), James Holas (9), and Robert Littal (10).
Average vote: 7.2

Kobe

The Flag Bearer: Shane Young (4).
The Barn Burner: Jacob Noble (14).
How did the other guys rank Bryant: Robert Littal (6), Marc Griffin (6), Will Reeve (6), Matt Drappel (8), Brian Geltzeiler (8), Justin Rowan (9), Justin Termine (9), Lang Greene (9), Josh Eberley (10), Justin Salkin (10), Adi Joseph (13), and James Holas (13).
Average vote: 8.9

Shaq

The Flag Bearer: Josh Eberley and Justin Salkin (6).
The Barn Burner: Adi Joseph (15).
How did the other guys rank O

[DaOldLion]

Nobody said it was the be all end all.


...


Career PER >> everything

[dhsilv]

PER doesnt tell much for a single season, career PER >> single season PER, better gauge of impact


AD had the highest PER this season, even though LeBron was better


So you can't use single season PER, only career

Then you delude long careers vs short careers....

[dhsilv]

Having a hard time with Bird over Lebron or Duncan. Even the words don't make that case at all.

Moving on..

West behind Oscar and dream and shaq and kobe? 2 of them maybe, but all of them? And i'm looking at Oscar. Anyway nothing awful.

Dr J at 14???????????????????????????????????? Over Moses? I'm sorry, that's just turrible!!!!

I hate Karl Malone because he was SOOO good and yet SOOOO bad when it mattered. I have no idea where to rank him, but I'm going lower.

Havlicek seems low.

Barry seems a bit high.

Nash is WAY overrated!

I stand by walton is easily the most overrated by all nba fans player ever. His career just wasn't long enough!

Wilkins is also way too high at 44. Give me Dennis Rodman even over him.

Anyway a decent list and they at least put words to their rankings but a lot of weird choices and then some over the top fan based biased moves.

[aj1987]

Isiah being higher all time over Wade is not controversial
Wade is a significantly better scorer, defender, and rebounder. He also has the better career accolades than Isiah. What exactly did Isiah do that warrants him being ranked above Wade?


I agree with you, but there's nothing wrong with putting Robinson over Wade.
There is. That's for another time though. Too lazy to type up the reasons.

[ArbitraryWater]

Absolutely shit list. Kidd over Drexler and Ewing? LeBron over Shaq? Shaq at #10? Cousy, Isiah, Stockton, D-Rob, etc. over Wade?

Horrible list. Whoever made that should never be allowed to post about basketball ever again.

thats supposed to be upsetting? :oldlol: