But mass shootings are so rare...

[dunksby]

Facts about 'routine' mass shootings in the US


So far this year, there have been 296 shootings in 274 days, according to the website Shootingtracker, which tracks attacks.

Harvard University research published in October 2014 on Mother Jones found that the rate of mass shootings -- defined as the murder of four or more people in a public place, by an assailant unknown to the victims -- had tripled, occurring on average every 64 days.

There have been 142 shootings in American schools since the Newtown tragedy in December 2012, an average of nearly one a week.

There are 270 million firearms in circulation, making the United States the developed country with the highest rate of gun ownership per person -- nearly 89 weapons for every 100 people.

The United States also has the highest rate of gun homicides of the developed world -- 29.7 per year per million people, according to UN data.

In 2013, there were 11,208 firearm homicides and 21,175 suicides recorded, according to the center for disease control.

An overwhelming majority of Americans -- 85 percent -- favor stricter background checks for gun purchases and 57 percent a ban on assault-style weapons, the Pew Research Center found in August.

[~primetime~]

I'm all for more strict gun laws, but "assault rifles" have never been an issue in the US.

http://www.fireengineering.com/content/dam/fe/online-articles/2013/03/ricci-gun-control-1.jpg

[dunksby]

I'm all for more strict gun laws, but "assault rifles" have never been an issue in the US.

http://www.fireengineering.com/content/dam/fe/online-articles/2013/03/ricci-gun-control-1.jpg
But isn't that from 2010?

[NumberSix]

I'm all for more strict gun laws, but "assault rifles" have never been an issue in the US.

http://www.fireengineering.com/content/dam/fe/online-articles/2013/03/ricci-gun-control-1.jpg
We gotta get rid of hands.

[Nanners]

jim jeffries has a great bit on gun control

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awgs0burFTk

[GIF REACTION]

#NotAllGuns

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Somebody should make some new statistics

Kills Per Shooting Efficiency (KPSE)

Kills Per Massacre (KPM)

Kills Per 36 Minutes

Bullet Efficiency

[StephHamann]

Somebody should make some new statistics

Kills Per Shooting Efficiency (KPSE)

Kills Per Massacre (KPM)

Kills Per 36 Minutes

Bullet Efficiency

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/armytrng/a/sniperschool.htm

According to figures released by the Department of Defense, the average number of rounds expended in Vietnam to kill one enemy solder with the M-16 was 50,000. The average number of rounds expended by U.S. military snipers to kill one enemy soldier was 1.3 rounds. That's a cost-difference of $23,000 per kill for the average soldier, vs. $0.17 per kill for the military sniper.

Sniper is like the Brandan Wright of the army, PER King

[Patrick Chewing]

Very deceiving statistics because gun laws are the strictest they've ever been.


Face it, there are no restrictions or laws you can put in place for a person with no criminal or psychological record to not decide one day to shoot up a school, church, bank, etc.

[Draz]

Very deceiving statistics because gun laws are the strictest they've ever been.


Face it, there are no restrictions or laws you can put in place for a person with no criminal or psychological record to not decide one day to shoot up a school, church, bank, etc.
I agree. Some of these people have clean backgrounds, aren't known to cause issues. You can sense a troubled look in them but you can with 70% of the people in America. Everyone's dealing with shit bottled in. You just can't tell when an ordinary person is ready to go. And I feel like their ready to go and by taking other casualties with them as a way to be remembered.

[dannywpt]

Very deceiving statistics because gun laws are the strictest they've ever been.


Face it, there are no restrictions or laws you can put in place for a person with no criminal or psychological record to not decide one day to shoot up a school, church, bank, etc.

You can restrict weapons to competitive shooting, law enforcement and the military like in the rest of the civilized world. You can make it illegal to buy, carry and possess weapons and hand guns for your average citizen. You can eliminate this gun culture from your society.

Do you think all these school shootings would happen in a society where those kids wouldn't have a clue as to where they could obtain illegal rifles/guns?

[sammichoffate]

Mental health is something that never gets touched on, because no one ever gives a **** about others till it's too late

[Patrick Chewing]

You can restrict weapons to competitive shooting, law enforcement and the military like in the rest of the civilized world. You can make it illegal to buy, carry and possess weapons and hand guns for your average citizen. You can eliminate this gun culture from your society.

Do you think all these school shootings would happen in a society where those kids wouldn't have a clue as to where they could obtain illegal rifles/guns?

And the United States is not civilized?

And the guns obtained in these shootings are not illegal. I would strongly advise you to look at the current gun laws of this country and you will see that it's pretty impossible to obtain a weapon nowadays if you have a questionable background.

And for every person that uses a gun in a violent manner, there are thousands upon thousands of people who use their weapon within the confines of the law. I am a legal gun owner who hasn't handled his weapon in over a month. Why should the government take my guns away due to the actions of one crazed individual?

[dubeta]

And the United States is not civilized?

And the guns obtained in these shootings are not illegal. I would strongly advise you to look at the current gun laws of this country and you will see that it's pretty impossible to obtain a weapon nowadays if you have a questionable background.

And for every person that uses a gun in a violent manner, there are thousands upon thousands of people who use their weapon within the confines of the law. I am a legal gun owner who hasn't handled his weapon in over a month. Why should the government take my guns away due to the actions of one crazed individual?

Why do you even NEED a gun in the first place? This isnt the Wild West, this is the 21st century, ever thought about that bud?

[Patrick Chewing]

Why do you even NEED a gun in the first place? This isnt the Wild West, this is the 21st century, ever thought about that bud?


I find this question to be insane and unfair at the same time but easily answered with reasonable explanation. While I may never use my gun to shoot a home intruder in my lifetime, I always have the peace of mind in knowing that it is there. And that's the only reason I need. If you want to rely on the police to take the time to get there to save your life, especially if you live in a rural part of town, well that's your choice.

And lastly, your snarkiness about "21st century" is just dumb. There is no 21st century or any century prior to that without man's need and use of a weapon. This Utopian world where people have a permanent smile on their face and walk in unison with angelic spatial music playing overhead is never going to happen, "bud".

[GIF REACTION]

I find this question to be insane and unfair at the same time but easily answered with reasonable explanation. While I may never use my gun to shoot a home intruder in my lifetime, I always have the peace of mind in knowing that it is there. And that's the only reason I need. If you want to rely on the police to take the time to get there to save your life, especially if you live in a rural part of town, well that's your choice.

And lastly, your snarkiness about "21st century" is just dumb. There is no 21st century or any century prior to that without man's need and use of a weapon. This Utopian world where people have a permanent smile on their face and walk in unison with angelic spatial music playing overhead is never going to happen, "bud".
Wow WOW

Easy there cowboy

Drop the pistol, or I'll blast your head clean off!

Hand over your assortment of wealth

What's that you say?

It's in the "Bank"?

Take me to the bank or I will blast your head clean off boy!

[dubeta]

I find this question to be insane and unfair at the same time but easily answered with reasonable explanation. While I may never use my gun to shoot a home intruder in my lifetime, I always have the peace of mind in knowing that it is there. And that's the only reason I need. If you want to rely on the police to take the time to get there to save your life, especially if you live in a rural part of town, well that's your choice.

And lastly, your snarkiness about "21st century" is just dumb. There is no 21st century or any century prior to that without man's need and use of a weapon. This Utopian world where people have a permanent smile on their face and walk in unison with angelic spatial music playing overhead is never going to happen, "bud".


But you realize you are contributing to the problem right? The more people with guns the more shootings, this is an absolute fact


And we live in the 21st century with modern infrastructure, education, and legal systems. There are systems in place to deal with people's safety


This isn't the Middle Ages where everyone needed a sword, and personal arms when traveling across rural areas, this isn't the 'free-for' all Wild West. This isn't Africa where you have to worry about militia with open arms


Just install a f******* home security system and be done with it

[GIF REACTION]

But you realize you are contributing to the problem right? The more people with guns the more shootings, this is an absolute fact


And we live in the 21st century with modern infrastructure, education, and legal systems. There are systems in place to deal with people's safety


This isn't the Middle Ages where everyone needed a sword, and personal arms when traveling across rural areas, this isn't the 'free-for' all Wild West. This isn't Africa where you have to worry about militia with open arms


Just install a f******* home security system and be done with it
http://comps.canstockphoto.com/can-stock-photo_csp14209144.jpg

WOW!

Easy there!

[TheMan]

I find this question to be insane and unfair at the same time but easily answered with reasonable explanation. While I may never use my gun to shoot a home intruder in my lifetime, I always have the peace of mind in knowing that it is there. And that's the only reason I need. If you want to rely on the police to take the time to get there to save your life, especially if you live in a rural part of town, well that's your choice.

And lastly, your snarkiness about "21st century" is just dumb. There is no 21st century or any century prior to that without man's need and use of a weapon. This Utopian world where people have a permanent smile on their face and walk in unison with angelic spatial music playing overhead is never going to happen, "bud".
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/599848045384060928/lmu9I0Kl.jpg

[Patrick Chewing]

But you realize you are contributing to the problem right? The more people with guns the more shootings, this is an absolute fact


And we live in the 21st century with modern infrastructure, education, and legal systems. There are systems in place to deal with people's safety


This isn't the Middle Ages where everyone needed a sword, and personal arms when traveling across rural areas, this isn't the 'free-for' all Wild West. This isn't Africa where you have to worry about militia with open arms


Just install a f******* home security system and be done with it

LOL, wut?

How am I contributing to the problem? I didn't shoot those people and he didn't use my guns. Didn't I just explain to you that he is grain of sand in a beach full of responsible gun owners??

And history has proven that people that rely on their government to protect them are the first ones to die. So while someone is breaking in to your house in the middle of the night and you're fast asleep, good luck finding the phone in time to dial 911 and explain to them what's going on.


You're right, this isn't the Middle Ages or any other Age where violence was 100x as worse. This is a civilized America where Law Enforcement carries weapons and where responsible citizens carry weapons to protect themselves, hunt, shoot for fun, etc.


You keep acting as if we are not civilized or some shit. You know who doesn't look civilized??


These guys....



http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/04/02/article-0-190BCCAE000005DC-818_306x357.jpg

https://mindcontrolblackassassins.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/darkknight3.gif

http://i3.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article5012431.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/James-Holmes.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/cd/Jared_Loughner_sheriff's_office.jpg

http://listverse.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/cho-seung-hui-455-x-351.jpg

http://s1.dmcdn.net/1Q7I/x240-HH8.jpg

http://columbinechangesamerica.weebly.com/uploads/1/5/0/8/15089248/5130719.jpg

[DonDadda59]

These guys....



http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/04/02/article-0-190BCCAE000005DC-818_306x357.jpg

https://mindcontrolblackassassins.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/darkknight3.gif

http://i3.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article5012431.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/James-Holmes.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/cd/Jared_Loughner_sheriff's_office.jpg

http://listverse.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/cho-seung-hui-455-x-351.jpg

http://s1.dmcdn.net/1Q7I/x240-HH8.jpg

http://columbinechangesamerica.weebly.com/uploads/1/5/0/8/15089248/5130719.jpg

Bunch of crazy Al Craqa terrorists and Godzuki.

Welcome to our NRA paradise.

[warriorfan]

:roll:

[Bless Mathews]

We gotta get rid of hands.


And knives.

Let's ban knives.

To save lives. Cut your meat with a butter knife. It will be hella annoying, but hey, all those people would be alive!!!

[Bless Mathews]

You can restrict weapons to competitive shooting, law enforcement and the military like in the rest of the civilized world. You can make it illegal to buy, carry and possess weapons and hand guns for your average citizen. You can eliminate this gun culture from your society.

Do you think all these school shootings would happen in a society where those kids wouldn't have a clue as to where they could obtain illegal rifles/guns?

You are a clown.

Yea. That's great.

And surely all my niggahs that are still Jackin people , pistol whippin, breaking in homes, will follow these new laws.

Your a fuccin idiot.

[dannywpt]

You are a clown.

Yea. That's great.

And surely all my niggahs that are still Jackin people , pistol whippin, breaking in homes, will follow these new laws.

Your a fuccin idiot.

:roll:

I thought we were on the subject of school shootings? You think all these crazy white kids would have obtained weapons and gone through with these school shootings if their community wasn't overflowing with guns everywhere? It doesn't matter that they bought them illegally - fact is, the more guns in circulation, the easier it is for these lunatics to get ahold of them

[NumberSix]

:roll:

I thought we were on the subject of school shootings? You think all these crazy white kids would have obtained weapons and gone through with these school shootings if their community wasn't overflowing with guns everywhere? It doesn't matter that they bought them illegally - fact is, the more guns in circulation, the easier it is for these lunatics to get ahold of them
Of course. I can just imagine a crazy kid sitting in his room holding his gun really wanting to shoot people, but he just can't do it because that gun is only allowed to be used for competitive target shooting.

:rolleyes:

And I don't know why you're making this racial. And specifically racial about whites. This dude was mixed race.

[Derka]

But you realize you are contributing to the problem right? The more people with guns the more shootings, this is an absolute fact

And we live in the 21st century with modern infrastructure, education, and legal systems. There are systems in place to deal with people's safety

This isn't the Middle Ages where everyone needed a sword, and personal arms when traveling across rural areas, this isn't the 'free-for' all Wild West. This isn't Africa where you have to worry about militia with open arms

Just install a f******* home security system and be done with it

I don't know what world it is you are living it, but it certainly isn't this one.

[west_tip]

You keep acting as if we are not civilized or some shit. You know who doesn't look civilized??


These guys....

<Pictures of mentally ill people>


So, you're okay living in a society where it is easy for someone who is mentally ill to obtain a weapon and go on a rampage killing innocent citizens whose only crime was being in the wrong place at the wrong time?

Do mentally ill people simply not exist in other western countries? Does America have a complete monopoly on insane, unstable people?

[HitandRun Reggie]

Which proves all these gun regulations and gun free zones are worthless. Kids used to actually bring guns to school for ROTC programs, hunter safety classes and extracurricular shooting and hunting events up until the 1980s.

[dannywpt]

Of course. I can just imagine a crazy kid sitting in his room holding his gun really wanting to shoot people, but he just can't do it because that gun is only allowed to be used for competitive target shooting.

:rolleyes:

How do you explain America being THE ONLY CIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD WHERE THESE SCHOOL SHOOTINGS HAPPEN REGULARLY if the amount of guns flowing around in your society is NOT the problem?

[DonDadda59]

The shooter in Oregon personally bought several of the guns in his possession, others were bought by family members. All legally purchased. The guy was known to have mental issues.

But guns don't kill people so let's not try to change anything.

[NumberSix]

How do you explain America being THE ONLY CIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD WHERE THESE SCHOOL SHOOTINGS HAPPEN REGULARLY if the amount of guns flowing around in your society is NOT the problem?
I've never claimed that accessibility plays no part. Obviously, if you can't get a gun you can't shoot anyone. If you can't get a car, you can run people over. If you can't get a knife, you can't stab people. If you can't get a rope, you can't hang people. If you can't get drugs, you can't get high.

A gun is a potentially dangerous item. Nobody is unaware of that. The idea of outlawing guns though is a waste of time. You'd have an easier time outlawing abortion.

Too many people have an irrational fear of guns. How many cars do you see everyday when you're walking on a sidewalk? Are you in constant fear that one of the people driving one of those cars might decide to smash into you? I mean, they could, and it does happen everyday.

How many people are killed by guns every year? Do you think that's a good reason to have an irrational fear of guns? How many people are killed by blacks ever year? Are you afraid of blacks too? Are you afraid of illegals? Some of them kill people, don't they?

The fact that guns and knives exist means that some people will get shot or stabbed. And America is past the point of no return. There are already hundreds of millions of guns in the United States. It would be easier to track down all the illegal aliens than to track down all the guns.

[Patrick Chewing]

So, you're okay living in a society where it is easy for someone who is mentally ill to obtain a weapon and go on a rampage killing innocent citizens whose only crime was being in the wrong place at the wrong time?

Do mentally ill people simply not exist in other western countries? Does America have a complete monopoly on insane, unstable people?


So then what's your solution? Cause it's an irrational one. You rather just eliminate guns because the mentally ill have access to them? How does that solve the problem of them still being mentally ill and still being able to inflict harm or kill someone??

The problem is staring at you right in the face and you refuse to see it. It's the mentally ill. That is what needs to be worked on, not guns. Like I keep repeating, these mass shootings are a grain of sand in a beach full of responsible and safe gun ownership. Why are you so up in arms about it? Gun violence is on the decline. The laws are strict.

[~primetime~]

How do you explain America being THE ONLY CIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD WHERE THESE SCHOOL SHOOTINGS HAPPEN REGULARLY if the amount of guns flowing around in your society is NOT the problem?
All of these shooters are linked to SSRI meds... These mass school shootings weren't happening regularly until recently, we've always had guns.

[longtime lurker]

More guns than any developed nation, more gun deaths than any developed nation and yet you don't think there's anything you can do about that. It's mind boggling

[NumberSix]

More guns than any developed nation, more gun deaths than any developed nation and yet you don't think there's anything you can do about that. It's mind boggling
And what's your solution? Lemme guess. "Get rid of guns". Wow. What an incredibly detailed well thought out plan. That's right up there with "stop illegal immigration" and "teach boys to not rape".

[Patrick Chewing]

More guns than any developed nation, more gun deaths than any developed nation and yet you don't think there's anything you can do about that. It's mind boggling


Maybe if certain police departments in urban areas weren't vilified by the press and the White House, we'd have proper policing to curtail the violence.

[west_tip]

So then what's your solution? Cause it's an irrational one. You rather just eliminate guns because the mentally ill have access to them? How does that solve the problem of them still being mentally ill and still being able to inflict harm or kill someone??

The problem is staring at you right in the face and you refuse to see it. It's the mentally ill. That is what needs to be worked on, not guns. Like I keep repeating, these mass shootings are a grain of sand in a beach full of responsible and safe gun ownership. Why are you so up in arms about it? Gun violence is on the decline. The laws are strict.


:facepalm Canada, Australia, New Zealand and all western European democracies have mentally ill people in them, mental illness is not an American phenomena. However the US has gun homicide rates that far exceed those countries. The reason is simply accessibility and the retarded gun culture that the NRA promotes.