Players who averaged at least 27/7/7 for their career..

[dubeta]

How many have done it, whats the list look like?


inb4 cringeworthy 2/6 jokes

[kennethgriffin]

a) lebrons career average is 27/7/6

b) you act like 7 rebounds career is good for lebron

c) nobody cares

[3ball]

The problem is that a 27/7/7 player should do better than 2/6, unless there are huge, exploitable holes in his game ... Remember, all teams have a PG, and therefore a player that is low-assisted and dominates the ball - but Lebron's abnormal ball-dominance from the forward position gives his team a SECOND low-assisted, ball-dominator in addition to the PG.

This redundancy of ball-dominance and low-assisted play creates an inequitable distribution of playmaking that prevents the kind of equal-opportunity offenses that all the great teams use (Bird's Celtics, 90's Bulls, Mavs, Spurs, Warriors)... Since Lebron's ball-dominance prevents his teams from playing the best brand of basketball, equal or less-talented opponents are able to pull upsets by playing a better brand of basketball (2009, 2011, 2014)..

Btw, it doesn't matter that Lebron's teams had good offenses - a lot of guys had teams with good offenses.. But Lebron's teams don't play to capacity because his aforementioned, suboptimal style as a 2nd low-assisted ball-dominator significantly lowers the PPG and APG of his teammates.. Since his teams don't play to capacity, they're susceptible to being upset by teams of equal or lesser talent who ARE playing to capacity (2009, 2011, 2014).
.

[dubeta]

so 3ball, you admit that LeBrons career stats are better than Jordan's?

[kennethgriffin]

so 3ball, you admit that LeBrons career stats are better than Jordan's?


lebrons career stats are easly better than jordans overall

which brings us back to why stats are subjective and dont tell us how limited a guy is in certain areas or if his stats actually help his team win


in the end its about results


adrien dantleys career numbers are phenomenal. but the guy was a cancer

[3ball]

so 3ball, you admit that LeBrons career stats are better than Jordan's?


You made me do it:


Playoffs Thru Age 30:

Jordan: 34.7 PPG, 6.7 RPG, 6.6 APG, 2.3 SPG, 1.0 BLK, 25.4 FGA, 50.1 FG%, 29.6 PER
Lebron: 28.2 PPG, 8.8 RPG, 6.7 APG, 1.7 SPG, 0.9 BLK, 20.8 FGA, 47.3 FG%, 27.4 PER


Finals Thru Age 30:

Jordan: 36.3 PPG, 6.6 RPG, 7.9 APG, 2.0 SPG, 0.76 BPG, 52.6% FG, 40.7% 3 PT
Lebron: 26.4 PPG, 9.6 RPG, 6.9 APG, 1.8 SPG, 0.54 BPG, 44.6 FG%, 31.9% 3 PT



Career Playoff Averages:

Jordan: 33.4 PPG, 6.4 RPG, 5.7 APG, 2.1 SPG, 0.9 BLK, 25.1 FGA, 48.7 FG%, 28.6 PER
Lebron: 28.2 PPG, 8.8 RPG, 6.7 APG, 1.7 SPG, 0.9 BLK, 20.8 FGA, 47.3 FG%, 27.4 PER


Career Finals Averages:

Jordan: 33.6 PPG, 6.0 RPG, 6.0 APG, 1.8 SPG, 0.65 BPG, 48.1% FG, 36.8% 3 PT
Lebron: 26.4 PPG, 9.6 RPG, 6.9 APG, 1.8 SPG, 0.54 BPG, 44.6 FG%, 31.9% 3 PT


Source: basketball-reference.com



4th Quarter Scoring:


MJ 1997 Playoffs: 9.6
MJ 1998 Playoffs (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4): 9.0

MJ 1993 Finals: 10.7
MJ 1997 Finals: 10.4
MJ 1998 Finals: 10.3

FYI: MJ 1988 Regular Season (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=380784): 12.1


Lebron 2013 Playoffs: 7.4
Lebron 2014 Playoffs: 5.8
Lebron 2015 Playoffs: 8.1

Lebron 2011 Finals: 2.2
Lebron 2014 Finals: 3.6

[GIF REACTION]

But Lebron has significantly improved every teams he's played on kenneth

[3ball]

lebrons career stats are easly better than jordans overall


MJ has better PER, win shares and point-per-possession... The trifecta

And 20% more PPG with equal assists... and boatloads more clutch

[dubeta]

Adjust for pace and LeBrons stats >>>>> Jordan


3ball can't accept it :lol

[Justinbask]

What the answer you expect me to put me down, the same as usual.

[3ball]

Adjust for pace and LeBrons stats >>>>> Jordan



MJ has better PER, win shares and point-per-possession... This is the trifecta and it's all pace-adjusted.

On a per-100 possession basis in playoffs, MJ scores 20% more PPG with equal assists with turnovers... and boatloads more clutch

[FKAri]

Whoever it is. He must be GOAT

[LoneyROY7]

a) lebrons career average is 27/7/6

b) you act like 7 rebounds career is good for lebron

c) nobody cares

You would care A LOT if Kobe did.

[GrapeApe]

You could pick arbitrary stat combinations that would be exclusive for just about any all time great. The thing is though, nobody questions Lebron's numbers. Pointing out Lebron's statistical greatness is basically a strawman. If anything, one of Lebron's main criticisms is he cares too much about stats.

[stalkerforlife]

You made me do it:


Playoffs Thru Age 30:

Jordan: 34.7 PPG, 6.7 RPG, 6.6 APG, 2.3 SPG, 1.0 BLK, 25.4 FGA, 50.1 FG%, 29.6 PER
Lebron: 28.2 PPG, 8.8 RPG, 6.7 APG, 1.7 SPG, 0.9 BLK, 20.8 FGA, 47.3 FG%, 27.4 PER


Finals Thru Age 30:

Jordan: 36.3 PPG, 6.6 RPG, 7.9 APG, 2.0 SPG, 0.76 BPG, 52.6% FG, 40.7% 3 PT
Lebron: 26.4 PPG, 9.6 RPG, 6.9 APG, 1.8 SPG, 0.54 BPG, 44.6 FG%, 31.9% 3 PT



Career Playoff Averages:

Jordan: 33.4 PPG, 6.4 RPG, 5.7 APG, 2.1 SPG, 0.9 BLK, 25.1 FGA, 48.7 FG%, 28.6 PER
Lebron: 28.2 PPG, 8.8 RPG, 6.7 APG, 1.7 SPG, 0.9 BLK, 20.8 FGA, 47.3 FG%, 27.4 PER


Career Finals Averages:

Jordan: 33.6 PPG, 6.0 RPG, 6.0 APG, 1.8 SPG, 0.65 BPG, 48.1% FG, 36.8% 3 PT
Lebron: 26.4 PPG, 9.6 RPG, 6.9 APG, 1.8 SPG, 0.54 BPG, 44.6 FG%, 31.9% 3 PT


Source: basketball-reference.com



4th Quarter Scoring:


MJ 1997 Playoffs: 9.6
MJ 1998 Playoffs (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4): 9.0

MJ 1993 Finals: 10.7
MJ 1997 Finals: 10.4
MJ 1998 Finals: 10.3

FYI: MJ 1988 Regular Season (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=380784): 12.1


Lebron 2013 Playoffs: 7.4
Lebron 2014 Playoffs: 5.8
Lebron 2015 Playoffs: 8.1

Lebron 2011 Finals: 2.2
Lebron 2014 Finals: 3.6

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[SpecialQue]

What 27/7/7? Why not 26/6/6 or 25/5/5? Why this particular number?

[dubeta]

You could pick arbitrary stat combinations that would be exclusive for just about any all time great. The thing is though, nobody questions Lebron's numbers. Pointing out Lebron's statistical greatness is basically a strawman. If anything, one of Lebron's main criticisms is he cares too much about stats.

Who? Jordan, LeBron, Magic, Wilt, and maybe Stockton are probably the only people who match this criteria

[Duffy Pratt]

The answer to the OPs question is nobody.
Change the question to who has averaged 25/8/10 for a career, and the answer is still nobody, but Oscar comes closest. Now make it 27/10/4 and you get multiple choices.

By the way, what do all of these great stat compilers have in common? Less than stellar showings in the playoffs over the course of their careers - with a grand total of 5 championships.

[dhsilv]

How many have done it, whats the list look like?


inb4 cringeworthy 2/6 jokes

Kind of a silly stat since per game numbers are pretty much useless offense to offense let alone era to era.

The answer is zero. Unless you lax it to 25 points per game you'll not have anyone in that 7-7 club but then you're getting Oscar and we all know his stats were absurdly inflated.

You also penalize players who play past their peak but are still great players.

[kennethgriffin]

baylors 27/14/4 > lebrons 27/7/7

wilts 30/23/4 > lebrons 27/7/7

pettits 26/16/3 > lebrons 27/7/7

oscars 26/8/10 > lebrons 27/7/7


all underachievers... all stat padders


who cares...

[dhsilv]

baylors 27/14/4 > lebrons 27/7/7

wilts 30/23/4 > lebrons 27/7/7

pettits 26/16/3 > lebrons 27/7/7

oscars 26/8/10 > lebrons 27/7/7

How is Oscar's better?

[SouBeachTalents]

baylors 27/14/4 > lebrons 27/7/7

wilts 30/23/4 > lebrons 27/7/7

pettits 26/16/3 > lebrons 27/7/7

oscars 26/8/10 > lebrons 27/7/7


all underachievers... all stat padders


who cares...

More like all had to play on inferior teams against the Celtics dynasty

[GrapeApe]

Who? Jordan, LeBron, Magic, Wilt, and maybe Stockton are probably the only people who match this criteria

What criteria? My whole point is the criteria is different depending on the player, hence being arbitrary.

[kennethgriffin]

How is Oscar's better?



:biggums:


oscars a 6-5, 205 pound point guard

averages more rebounds per game than a 6-8, 270 pound power forward


3 more assists with 1 less point


wtf?

dude.. wtf are you arguing?

[kennethgriffin]

More like all had to play on inferior teams against the Celtics dynasty



they should have teamed up like lebron


:lol




wait... nevermind... they did


wilt went to west and baylor

oscar/kareem

lulz

[Sarcastic]

27/7/7 is very close to 2/7, which would of course be his finals record if he loses again next year....

[dhsilv]

:biggums:


oscars a 6-5, 205 pound point guard

averages more rebounds per game than a 6-8, 270 pound power forward


3 more assists with 1 less point


wtf?

dude.. wtf are you arguing?

All these "per game" numbers from you. Who actually was getting more rebounds? Sadly we don't have good historical numbers of Oscar, but we can do some basic math.

So lets take I just went with most assists per game for lebron, not sure if this is his best year and then the famous triple double year for oscar.

Cavs pace 91.4
Cincy Pace 124.5

So lets normalize these guys to 100. We have raw numbers from lebron but we'll have to do the math on oscar and just assume the pace was constant which could be marginally off but again we don't have better.

30.8 / 124.4 * 100 = 24.76
11.4 / 124.4 * 100 = 9.16
12.5 / 124.4 * 100 = 10.05

Lebron goes from

29.7 -> 40.0
8.6 -> 11.5
7.3 -> 9.8

As we can see those per game numbers when adjusted for pace show just how absurdly bad they ultimately are. Oscar's era inflated his stats to comical levels.

And just for fun the royals lost to the pistons that year in the first round, when Oscar had two other future hall of fame guys on his team and the pistons only had one hall of fame guy in the top 5 of the rotation. But do tell me how per game numbers tell us anything of value...

[dhsilv]

27/7/7 is very close to 2/7, which would of course be his finals record if he loses again next year....

If he makes the finals next year he'll have a better than 50% success rate in making the finals. Honestly outside of Magic and Russel who's even close?

[kennethgriffin]

All these "per game" numbers from you. Who actually was getting more rebounds? Sadly we don't have good historical numbers of Oscar, but we can do some basic math.

So lets take I just went with most assists per game for lebron, not sure if this is his best year and then the famous triple double year for oscar.

Cavs pace 91.4
Cincy Pace 124.5

So lets normalize these guys to 100. We have raw numbers from lebron but we'll have to do the math on oscar and just assume the pace was constant which could be marginally off but again we don't have better.

30.8 / 124.4 * 100 = 24.76
11.4 / 124.4 * 100 = 9.16
12.5 / 124.4 * 100 = 10.05

Lebron goes from

29.7 -> 40.0
8.6 -> 11.5
7.3 -> 9.8

As we can see those per game numbers when adjusted for pace show just how absurdly bad they ultimately are. Oscar's era inflated his stats to comical levels.

And just for fun the royals lost to the pistons that year in the first round, when Oscar had two other future hall of fame guys on his team and the pistons only had one hall of fame guy in the top 5 of the rotation. But do tell me how per game numbers tell us anything of value...



you could give lebron the same type of asterisks for rebounding in an era without any big men


lebrons basically the size of todays starting centers in the small ball era. and he averaged 6rpg last season



:lol

[dubeta]

you could give lebron the same type of asterisks for rebounding in an era without any big men


lebrons basically the size of todays starting centers in the small ball era. and he averaged 6rpg last season



:lol


Why are Kobes stats worse than every player in the top 10-11??

Even Russell averaged 15 points 22 rebounds and 10 blocks a game


Kobes stats are the worst = he's not top 10-12

[dubeta]

you could give lebron the same type of asterisks for rebounding in an era without any big men


lebrons basically the size of todays starting centers in the small ball era. and he averaged 6rpg last season



:lol

Btw, Kobe and LeBron are the same size, why does Kobe only average 5 rebounds a game for his career to LeBrons 7?? :biggums:

[3ball]

If he makes the finals next year he'll have a better than 50% success rate in making the finals. Honestly outside of Magic and Russel who's even close?



What's better - 6/15 first place or 7/12 second place

If you take out his Wizards years, MJ got first place 6/13 times.. Take out his injury year and baseball season and it's 6/11.

Remember, if he wasn't already the goat in 1993, he would never have retired.

[NZStreetBaller]

You made me do it:


Playoffs Thru Age 30:

Jordan: 34.7 PPG, 6.7 RPG, 6.6 APG, 2.3 SPG, 1.0 BLK, 25.4 FGA, 50.1 FG%, 29.6 PER
Lebron: 28.2 PPG, 8.8 RPG, 6.7 APG, 1.7 SPG, 0.9 BLK, 20.8 FGA, 47.3 FG%, 27.4 PER


Finals Thru Age 30:

Jordan: 36.3 PPG, 6.6 RPG, 7.9 APG, 2.0 SPG, 0.76 BPG, 52.6% FG, 40.7% 3 PT
Lebron: 26.4 PPG, 9.6 RPG, 6.9 APG, 1.8 SPG, 0.54 BPG, 44.6 FG%, 31.9% 3 PT



Career Playoff Averages:

Jordan: 33.4 PPG, 6.4 RPG, 5.7 APG, 2.1 SPG, 0.9 BLK, 25.1 FGA, 48.7 FG%, 28.6 PER
Lebron: 28.2 PPG, 8.8 RPG, 6.7 APG, 1.7 SPG, 0.9 BLK, 20.8 FGA, 47.3 FG%, 27.4 PER


Career Finals Averages:

Jordan: 33.6 PPG, 6.0 RPG, 6.0 APG, 1.8 SPG, 0.65 BPG, 48.1% FG, 36.8% 3 PT
Lebron: 26.4 PPG, 9.6 RPG, 6.9 APG, 1.8 SPG, 0.54 BPG, 44.6 FG%, 31.9% 3 PT


Source: basketball-reference.com



4th Quarter Scoring:


MJ 1997 Playoffs: 9.6
MJ 1998 Playoffs (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4): 9.0

MJ 1993 Finals: 10.7
MJ 1997 Finals: 10.4
MJ 1998 Finals: 10.3

FYI: MJ 1988 Regular Season (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=380784): 12.1


Lebron 2013 Playoffs: 7.4
Lebron 2014 Playoffs: 5.8
Lebron 2015 Playoffs: 8.1

Lebron 2011 Finals: 2.2
Lebron 2014 Finals: 3.6

can someone please explain to me how jordan has more blocks then lebron ever?

[dubeta]

can someone please explain to me how jordan has more blocks then lebron ever?

more possessions = more shots = more block opportunities

But you're a Kobe stan so i wouldnt have expected you to know

[3ball]

can someone please explain to me how jordan has more blocks then lebron ever?



superior two-foot explosiveness and quickness of his feet, and also timing/smarts.


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[dhsilv]

What's better - 6/15 first place or 7/12 second place

If you take out his Wizards years, MJ got first place 6/13 times.. Take out his injury year and baseball season and it's 6/11.

Remember, if he wasn't already the goat in 1993, he would never have retired.

ok if you are the goat, then you're shit. If you are the GOAT you are THE shit. If you don't put it in caps it's an insult....smush parker was Kobe's goat during his high scoring years. MJ's 89 season might be the GOAT of seasons.

As for if Jordan is better than Lebron, there's no debate so why are you bringing it up?

[3ball]

more possessions = more shots = more block opportunities

But you're a Kobe stan so i wouldnt have expected you to know


Here's pace and minutes adjusted:


Per 100 Possessions in the Playoffs:

JORDAN: 43.3 pts.. 2.2 oreb.. 6.1 dreb.. 7.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 118 ORtg
LEBRON: 36.5 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 9.3 dreb.. 8.6 ast.. 4.5 tov.. 114 ORtg


Finals Stats:

JORDAN: 33.6 ppg.. 6.0 rpg.. 6.0 apg.. 2.8 tov.. 48.1% fg
LEBRON: 26.4 ppg.. 9.6 rpg.. 6.9 apg.. 3.8 tov.. 44.6% fg


MJ has 20-30% more scoring on better efficiency, equal assists, and more offensive rebounds... Since when is this considered close?

[dhsilv]

can someone please explain to me how jordan has more blocks then lebron ever?

Cause raw stats lie.

Lebron has a 1.6% block percentage to MJ's 1.4%. Lebron is a better shot blocker.

[dhsilv]

Here's pace and minutes adjusted:


Per 100 Possessions in the Playoffs:

JORDAN: 43.3 pts.. 2.2 oreb.. 6.1 dreb.. 7.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 118 ORtg
LEBRON: 36.5 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 9.3 dreb.. 8.6 ast.. 4.5 tov.. 114 ORtg


Finals Stats:

JORDAN: 33.6 ppg.. 6.0 rpg.. 6.0 apg.. 2.8 tov.. 48.1% fg
LEBRON: 26.4 ppg.. 9.6 rpg.. 6.9 apg.. 3.8 tov.. 44.6% fg


MJ has 20-30% more scoring on better efficiency, equal assists, and more offensive rebounds... Since when is this considered close?

and you're still cherry picking ORtg and ignoring DRtg which shows they were virtually the same on the court....

[3ball]

MJ's 89 season might be the GOAT of seasons.


Nah, 1991 easily... Would've been 1996 if Payton had guarded him from Game 1.. As it was, he was in cruise control.

[SouBeachTalents]

Nah, 1991 easily... Would've been 1996 if Payton had guarded him from Game 1.. As it was, he was in cruise control.

If Payton had guarded him the entire series, Jordan's already unimpressive FG% might not have even reached 40%

[3ball]

and you're still cherry picking ORtg and ignoring DRtg which shows they were virtually the same on the court....
MJ scored 20-30% more on better efficiency... That makes him far superior.

As for individual DRtg - this stat is not analogous with individual ORtg the way you wish it were, because DRtg is influenced by team performance:


"Out of necessity (owing to a lack of defensive data in the basic boxscore), individual Defensive Ratings are heavily influenced by the team's defensive efficiency. They assume that all teammates are equally good (per minute) at forcing non-steal turnovers and non-block misses, as well as assuming that all teammates face the same number of total possessions per minute."

(See the "Notes" at bottom: http://www.basketball-reference.com/about/ratings.html


Contrastingly, individual ORtg is measurable solely by individual performance - it's points per 100 possessions by the individual.
.

[3ball]

If Payton had guarded him the entire series, Jordan's already unimpressive FG% might not have even reached 40%


Another goat Finals performance was the only thing preventing 1996 from being MJ's best season..

Unfortunately, the Bulls jumped out to such a massive lead that MJ didn't need to have his typical goat Finals performance for the team to win.

[dhsilv]

Nah, 1991 easily... Would've been 1996 if Payton had guarded him from Game 1.. As it was, he was in cruise control.

Not sure how the finals and all 6 game would impact a full season which wasn't even in MJ's top 5.

89 and 88 are a hair above 90 and 91 which were really just about the same. Mind you I said season so clearly I'm not even looking at the playoffs. Everyone's playoffs look better when they win though, not having the team ready to win shouldn't be held against his absurd 89 season.

[NZStreetBaller]

superior two-foot explosiveness and quickness of his feet, and also timing/smarts.


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Dayum Shaq Hakeem ewing. all those guys are bigger then jordan and elite level centers.

[dhsilv]

MJ scored 20-30% more on better efficiency... That makes him far superior.

As for individual DRtg - this stat is not analogous with individual ORtg the way you wish it were, because DRtg is influenced by team performance:


"Out of necessity (owing to a lack of defensive data in the basic boxscore), individual Defensive Ratings are heavily influenced by the team's defensive efficiency. They assume that all teammates are equally good (per minute) at forcing non-steal turnovers and non-block misses, as well as assuming that all teammates face the same number of total possessions per minute."

(See the "Notes" at bottom: http://www.basketball-reference.com/about/ratings.html


Contrastingly, individual ORtg is measurable solely by individual performance - it's points per 100 possessions by the individual.
.

Both stats ultimately a greatly controlled by team performance. Neither are exceptional stats, but when looked at together it gives us a view of how many points better the team is when he is on the court per 100 all be it not exact.

[dhsilv]

Another goat Finals performance was the only thing preventing 1996 from being MJ's best season..

Unfortunately, the Bulls jumped out to such a massive lead that MJ didn't need to have his typical goat Finals performance for the team to win.

how in the hell do you measure a best season? Seriously? I'm not sure it's in his top 5....

[3ball]

Everyone's playoffs look better when they win though, not having the team ready to win shouldn't be held against his absurd 89 season.


In 1989, MJ didn't play anywhere near the best brand of basketball that he would play later in his career, when his stats were still close to his 1989 numbers.

But even though his style of play hadn't peaked yet, his 1989 was the most he's ever carried a bad team - look how much more of an overachievement his 1989 playoff run was compared to Lebron's 2007:


Jordan's 1989 Playoff Run vs. Lebron's 2007:

Jordan's Bulls were 47-25 and the 6 seed
Lebron's Cavs were 50-32 and the 2 seed


1st Round Jordan: CLE...(#3 seed, 57-25, #2 ranked defense... 40.0.. 6.0.. 8.1.. 51.8% FG)
1st Round Lebron: WSH (#7 seed, 41-41, #28 ranked defense.. 27.0.. 8.5.. 7.5.. 42.5% FG)

2nd Round Jordan: NYK (#2 seed, 52-30, #10 ranked defense... 35.5.. 9.5.. 8.3.. 55.0% FG)
2nd Round Lebron: NJN (#6 seed, 41-41, #15 ranked defense... 24.7.. 7.3.. 8.5.. 42.3% FG)

Conf. Finals Jordan: DET (#1 seed, 62-30, #3 ranked defense... 30.0.. 5.5.. 6.5.. 46.0% FG)
Conf. Finals Lebron: DET (#1 seed, 53-29, #7 ranked defense... 25.7.. 9.1.. 8.5.. 44.9% FG)
.

[Bless Mathews]

3ball slays all y'all idiots repeatedly.

Period.


:applause:

[Dr Hawk]

3ball is the Michael Jordan of ISH

[Gileraracer]

The difference? One is 6/6 while the other one is 2/6 :lol

[knicksman]

You made me do it:


Playoffs Thru Age 30:

Jordan: 34.7 PPG, 6.7 RPG, 6.6 APG, 2.3 SPG, 1.0 BLK, 25.4 FGA, 50.1 FG%, 29.6 PER
Lebron: 28.2 PPG, 8.8 RPG, 6.7 APG, 1.7 SPG, 0.9 BLK, 20.8 FGA, 47.3 FG%, 27.4 PER


Finals Thru Age 30:

Jordan: 36.3 PPG, 6.6 RPG, 7.9 APG, 2.0 SPG, 0.76 BPG, 52.6% FG, 40.7% 3 PT
Lebron: 26.4 PPG, 9.6 RPG, 6.9 APG, 1.8 SPG, 0.54 BPG, 44.6 FG%, 31.9% 3 PT



Career Playoff Averages:

Jordan: 33.4 PPG, 6.4 RPG, 5.7 APG, 2.1 SPG, 0.9 BLK, 25.1 FGA, 48.7 FG%, 28.6 PER
Lebron: 28.2 PPG, 8.8 RPG, 6.7 APG, 1.7 SPG, 0.9 BLK, 20.8 FGA, 47.3 FG%, 27.4 PER


Career Finals Averages:

Jordan: 33.6 PPG, 6.0 RPG, 6.0 APG, 1.8 SPG, 0.65 BPG, 48.1% FG, 36.8% 3 PT
Lebron: 26.4 PPG, 9.6 RPG, 6.9 APG, 1.8 SPG, 0.54 BPG, 44.6 FG%, 31.9% 3 PT


Source: basketball-reference.com



4th Quarter Scoring:


MJ 1997 Playoffs: 9.6
MJ 1998 Playoffs (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4): 9.0

MJ 1993 Finals: 10.7
MJ 1997 Finals: 10.4
MJ 1998 Finals: 10.3

FYI: MJ 1988 Regular Season (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=380784): 12.1


Lebron 2013 Playoffs: 7.4
Lebron 2014 Playoffs: 5.8
Lebron 2015 Playoffs: 8.1

Lebron 2011 Finals: 2.2
Lebron 2014 Finals: 3.6


:lol Thats wilt-like dropoff right there. No wonder theyre competing for the greatest loser title

[Psileas]

All these "per game" numbers from you. Who actually was getting more rebounds? Sadly we don't have good historical numbers of Oscar, but we can do some basic math.

So lets take I just went with most assists per game for lebron, not sure if this is his best year and then the famous triple double year for oscar.

Cavs pace 91.4
Cincy Pace 124.5

So lets normalize these guys to 100. We have raw numbers from lebron but we'll have to do the math on oscar and just assume the pace was constant which could be marginally off but again we don't have better.

30.8 / 124.4 * 100 = 24.76
11.4 / 124.4 * 100 = 9.16
12.5 / 124.4 * 100 = 10.05

Lebron goes from

29.7 -> 40.0
8.6 -> 11.5
7.3 -> 9.8

As we can see those per game numbers when adjusted for pace show just how absurdly bad they ultimately are. Oscar's era inflated his stats to comical levels.

And just for fun the royals lost to the pistons that year in the first round, when Oscar had two other future hall of fame guys on his team and the pistons only had one hall of fame guy in the top 5 of the rotation. But do tell me how per game numbers tell us anything of value...

Not to argue Oscar vs LeBron, but linear conversions = flat out wrong. If LeBron could really get that kinds of stats out of gaining 100 possessions for him, he should go for it and try it, shoot and have his team shoot a lot quicker and not get a single second of rest, so that he increases his stats linearly. But adjusting possessions isn't how you adjust individual numbers and, even if you do, you have to do so for all his peers, including teams, not just players. By doing so, though, you'd see that the Royals were, pace adjusted to 100, only a 97.4 ppg and 21.6 apg team, which means that even Oscar's "adjusted" line of 25/9/10 is very impressive (not that it isn't anyway), while the Cavs become a 111.7 ppg and 24.5 apg team. And this doesn't take into account that assists were harder to get credited back then.

[Beastmode88]

Think op meant 2/7/7/7 :rolleyes:

[riseagainst]

Think op meant 2/7/7/7 :rolleyes:


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