So I was watching Troy and I realized that Eurocentrists are insecure AF

[TheMan]

The ancient Greeks were Mediterranean peoples, the descendants of the Phoenicians, yet Hollywood insists in potraying them as Northern European looking people...why?

Why do they insist in them looking like your classic WASP? Mediterraneans were olive skinned, dark hair and dark eyed people, yet they have Brad Pitt playing Achilles and Brian Cox as the Greek king, LMAO. Is this another attempt at white washing like they do with Jesus Christ?

I know there are silly Afrocentrists who go around claiming that Moses and Jesus Christ were black, as well as the Olmecs (lol) but it's just as laughable the way Eurocentrics have tried to potray Jesus Christ as a white blue eyed dude, yet no one calls them out on their bullshit. Why is that? The ancient Greeks looked much more like today's Middle Eastern people than Northern Europeans.

This is just another example of insecure whites trying to link themselves to one of the greatest civilizations of mankind by making them look like modern day WASPs when they actually looked nothing like a modern day 'Murican cracker...:facepalm They do the same with the Roman Empire, example The Gladiator.
:coleman:

I know Troy came out years ago but I was watching it while smoking a blunt and I couldn't
help but think that the WASPy white washing of Ancient Greek history was really obvious.
Next thing you know, they'll try to white wash the Persian and Ottoman Empire too.

Hold this L, crackers :yaohappy:

[Nick Young]

The ancient Greeks were Mediterranean peoples, the descendants of the Phoenicians, yet Hollywood insists in potraying them as Northern European looking people...why?

Why do they insist in them looking like your classic WASP? Mediterraneans were olive skinned, dark hair and dark eyed people, yet they have Brad Pitt playing Achilles and Brian Cox as the Greek king, LMAO. Is this another attempt at white washing like they do with Jesus Christ?

I know there are silly Afrocentrists who go around claiming that Moses and Jesus Christ were black, as well as the Olmecs (lol) but it's just as laughable the way Eurocentrics have tried to potray Jesus Christ as a white blue eyed dude, yet no one calls them out on their bullshit. Why is that? The ancient Greeks looked much more like today's Middle Eastern people than Northern Europeans.

This is just another example of insecure whites trying to link themselves to one of the greatest civilizations of mankind by making them look like modern day WASPs when they actually looked nothing like a modern day 'Murican cracker...:facepalm They do the same with the Roman Empire, example The Gladiator.
:coleman:

I know Troy came out years ago but I was watching it while smoking a blunt and I couldn't
help but think that the WASPy white washing of Ancient Greek history was really obvious.
Next thing you know, they'll try to white wash the Persian and Ottoman Empire too.
Did you know that many Syrians, Persians, Turks, and Arabs have light hair and blue eyes?:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

You don't know shit. The point you're trying to make is retarded. The ancient Greeks were white. Some had dark hair, some had light hair. Many probably had dark tans because they live in a sunny country, but that doesn't mean they aren't white.

In your attempts to be politically correct, you revealed yourself to be an ignorant racist. Congratulations.


Consider, for example, the common epithets (nick-names) for different ethnic groups used in ancient Greek literature: the hairy-headed Achaeans (kare komoontes), Abantes (Thracians), known for their long hair (opithen komoontes), and the bright-haired (likely golden, or blonde) Menelaus (xanthos) – including Helen of Troy (described as having bostrychous xanthes komes). The example of Helen is particularly interesting for our discussion, not only because she might have been blonde, like the owner of the black wig in Petrie Museum, but also because she may have been to ancient Egypt as well.[/IMG]

https://blogs.ucl.ac.uk/researchers-in-museums/2013/05/06/was-helen-of-troy-a-natural-blonde/

[TheMan]

Did you know that many Syrians, Persians, Turks, and Arabs have light hair and blue eyes?:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

You don't know shit. The point you're trying to make is retarded. The ancient Greeks were white. Some had dark hair, some had light hair. Many probably had dark tans because they live in a sunny country, but that doesn't mean they aren't white.

In your attempts to be politically correct, you revealed yourself to be an ignorant racist. Congratulations.


https://blogs.ucl.ac.uk/researchers-in-museums/2013/05/06/was-helen-of-troy-a-natural-blonde/
You're wrong my man.

Greeks are Mediterraneans, they are very different looking than the Nordic Euros. Yet Hollywood insists on them looking like your run of the mill cracker. WASPs have gone full blown racist on Southern Europeans, or do I need to remind you on how they discriminated on Italian immigrants?

I'm no racist, my DNA test showed that I'm 65% Iberian European, I just have a problem with these WASPy ****ers trying to link themselves to people they've hated on. I have closer links to them than these culture vultures :coleman:

[Nick Young]

You're wrong my man.

Greeks are Mediterraneans, they are very different looking than the Nordic Euros. Yet Hollywood insists on them looking like your run of the mill cracker. WASPs have gone full blown racist on Southern Europeans, or do I need to remind you on how they discriminated on Italian immigrants?

I'm no racist, my DNA test showed that I'm 65% Iberian European, I just have a problem with these WASPy ****ers trying to link themselves to people they've hated on. I have closer links to them than these culture vultures :coleman:
You are wrong. Greeks are white. Some are blond. Some have dark hair. They are all white. Ancient greeks were also white. White people who live on the Mediterranean are white. Deal with it. A white person with dark hair and a tan is still a white person.

Guess what son. Iberia is Europe. The people there are white. You are 65% white. Deal with it.

Do I need to remind you how discriminated Northern Europeans from Ireland were?:hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead:

Ask a Greek person if they consider themselves to be white or "Mediterranean"

Troy is not a movie aiming at historical accuracy. It's not even interested in staying true to the original poem it is based on. Troy was a big blockbuster concerned with stuffing as many big hollywood stars in to it as possible. There are several adaptions of the Iliad with actors who look more Greek. If that's what you want, watch that. You're expecting too much if you thought Troy starring Brad Pitt would be historically accurate.

[RidonKs]

you named a hollywood adaptation of the greatest war story ever told. virtually every culture in the world has some connection with the iliad.. even if they have never read it. the story speaks to universal human conflicts so it can carry any baggage. its full of ego tripping generals and war weary soldiers and the ebbs and flows of battlefield tactics. things we are all sort of intuitively aware of anyway.

i'm sure if you watched some obscure mongolian adaptation of the iliad, the characters would be cast as mongols. presumably because the audiance is comprised of mongols and not pacific islanders or south americans.



i read an article about the iliad a few weeks ago. it was about an outreach organization that tried to bring classic books to isolated groups of aboriginals. they left the books with the village elders for six months or so, then came back and all of the books has been translated into the local languages. the organization took back all the books except for the iliad, on the request of the local people, who saw in it something very fundamental.

they said something like "it is a philosophy of human beings fighting one another and gods intervening, which is exactly like our philosophy we have held for thousands of years"



interesting thread though, you raise a good point. my rebuttal would be that Troy is quintessentially American, and thus still a valuable enough contribution... even though i hated it when i saw it and much prefer O Brother Where Art Thou as americas ode to homer

[TheMan]

You are wrong. Greeks are white. Some are blond. Some have dark hair. They are all white. Ancient greeks were also white. White people who live on the Mediterranean are white. Deal with it. A white person with dark hair and a tan is still a white person.

Guess what son. Iberia is Europe. The people there are white. You are 65% white. Deal with it.

Do I need to remind you how discriminated Northern Europeans from Ireland were?:hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead:

Ask a Greek person if they consider themselves to be white or "Mediterranean"

Troy is not a movie aiming at historical accuracy. It's not even interested in staying true to the original poem it is based on. Troy was a big blockbuster concerned with stuff as many big hollywood stars in to it as possible. There are several adaptions of the Iliad with actors who look more Greek. If that's what you want, watch that. You're expecting too much if you thought Troy starring Brad Pitt would be historically accurate.
Ok, I agree with you that Hollywood doesn't always potray historical events accurately but they are always trying to white wash history, that's the point of my thread.

Of course I know I have European ancestry, my mom's ancestry is Spanish, this isn't an anti-white rant, just an anti WASP rant. Iberians are not the same as the northern albino retards. We got flava, we're the original Latinos (Latin from the Romans), not the cave dwelling Anglos savages, fvck them :coleman:

The Iberians civilized the Northern Euro savages


deal with it

[dubeta]

lol 1-9 doe


:yaohappy:

[Nick Young]

Ok, I agree with you that Hollywood doesn't always potray historical events accurately but they are always trying to white wash history, that's the point of my thread.

Of course I know I have European ancestry, my mom's ancestry is Spanish, this isn't an anti-white rant, just an anti WASP rant. Iberians are not the same as the northern albino retards. We got flava, we're the original Latinos (Latin from the Romans), not the cave dwelling Anglos savages, fvck them :coleman:

The Iberians civilized the Northern Euro savages


deal with it




The Iliad, the story Troy is based on, is a poem. Gods come down from the sky and screw around with the battles. One guy is invincible except for his ankles. It is a work of fantasy fiction. The Iliad isn't history. Troy is a lose adaption of the Iliad. It is not going for historical accuracy.

Also you have zero idea what the ancient Greeks looked like. Many were fair haired and fair skinned-Alexander the Great is just one example. Stop talking about shit you don't understand.

The original Latinos are the Romans.

Iberians are nothing but savages who started speaking Latin. The people in Iberia that you are descended from are literally from a savage Northern European tribe called the Vandals.

You are descended from a group of people in Northern Europe who were so savage and broke so much shit, the name of their tribe went on to describe everyone in history who steals and wrecks shit for no reason.

Educate yourself about your proud Northern European heritage you have as an Iberian.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vandals

The Iberians themselves are primarily responsible for the inquisition. They are also responsible for the murder of millions in South America and Mexico.

How does it feel to be a white man, brah?

[TheMan]

The Iberians are primarily responsible for the inquisition. They are also responsible for the murder of millions in South America and Mexico.

How does it feel to be a white man, brah?
It's more complicated than that man. It's as if you asked as German Jewish person how does it feel that part of that person tried to eliminate the other part of that person.

As far as I know, my great grandfather didn't rape or kill a Native American (he brought my great grandmother from Spain).

You do realize millions of Spaniards immigrated to Mexico and not all of them were Conquistadores, right?

Anyways, back to my original premise...the Iberian peoples civilized the WASPy albinos and now they're trying to link themselves to us...fvck off :coleman:

One more thing, do you know why us Mexicans are hard as ****? Because we are the descendants of the People of the Sun and Spanish Conquistadores. We alpha af

[Nick Young]

It's more complicated than that man. It's as if you asked as German Jewish person how does it feel that part of that person tried to eliminate the other part of that person.

As far as I know, my great grandfather didn't rape or kill a Native American (he brought my great grandmother from Spain).

You do realize millions of Spaniards immigrated to Mexico and not all of them were Conquistadores, right?

Anyways, back to my original premise...the Iberian peoples civilized the WASPy albinos and now they're trying to link themselves to us...fvck off :coleman:

One more thing, do you know why us Mexicans are hard as ****? Because we are the descendants of the People of the Sun and Spanish Conquistadores. We alpha af

You are proud of your racist Spanish ancestors who enslaved the Aztecs and forced their religion upon them and destroyed their culture? You are proud of your Aztec ancestors who gave up their culture and surrendered as slaves to the invading racist Iberians? The "People of the Sun" the greatest civilization in Central America, were all but wiped out by a couple hundred Spaniards. And then the ones who survived were turned in to bitch slaves and forced to adapt the invaders culture and religion. You call that "alpha af"?



LOL What do you think your great grandfathers ancestors did? Whether you admit it or not, your direct ancestors directly contributed to the genocide of millions, and the cultural destruction of South America's greatest native civilizations.
Christ. White people-always trying to deny responsibility and reject their whiteness.

The Iberian people you are so proud of being a part of make WASPs look like saints. Your people wiped out the Aztecs, the Incans and several other beautiful South and Central American tribes. Your ancestors are directly responsible for the murder, rape and forced conversion of millions of innocent people.

The Iberian people ARE THE VANDALS. They are directly responsible FOR THE SACK OF ROME. Your people destroyed the greatest city in the world!


How does it feel to be a white man?

[fiddy]

Havent watched Hollywood produced movie in years, feels great. Holywood is only good at creating misconceptions and dumbing down its audience. Did you actually expect historical accuracy in garbage made for the sole purpose of attracting average intelligent amerifats to spend their 10-15$?

[TheMan]

You are proud of your racist Spanish ancestors who enslaved the Aztecs and forced their religion upon them and destroyed their culture? You are proud of your Aztec ancestors who gave up their culture and surrendered as slaves to the invading racist Iberians? The "People of the Sun" the greatest civilization in Central America, were all but wiped out by a couple hundred Spaniards. And then the ones who survived were turned in to bitch slaves and forced to adapt the invaders culture and religion. You call that "alpha af"?



LOL What do you think your great grandfathers ancestors did? Whether you admit it or not, your direct ancestors directly contributed to the genocide of millions, and the cultural destruction of South America's greatest native civilizations.
Christ. White people-always trying to deny responsibility and reject their whiteness.

The Iberian people you are so proud of being a part of make WASPs look like saints. Your people wiped out the Aztecs, the Incans and several other beautiful South and Central American tribes. Your ancestors are directly responsible for the murder, rape and forced conversion of millions of innocent people.

The Iberian people ARE THE VANDALS. They are directly responsible FOR THE SACK OF ROME. Your people destroyed the greatest city in the world!


How does it feel to be a white man?
Goddamit dude, you're such a high buster :lol

About the Illiad, has it been proven that it was just a tale or was it based on an actual battle. I've read where some historians argue that it was based on actual events and that the surviving people from Troy went on to be the ancestors of the Romans.

[Nick Young]

Goddamit dude, you're such a high buster :lol

About the Illiad, has it been proven that it was just a tale or was it based on an actual battle. I've read where some historians argue that it was based on actual events and that the surviving people from Troy went on to be the ancestors of the Romans.
I do what I do.

The Iliad was based on an actual battle probably IMO but the Iliad was all about Gods coming down and speaking to the generals and helping out the armies. That did not actually happen. The Iliad, the story the film Troy is based on, is a fantasy poem about an event that may not have actually ever happened.

[StephHamann]

Also todays spanish people have a completly different genetic backround.

Spain was occupied by the Muslims for hundreds of years, and todays people in Spain are looking more "mediterranian" than the ancient Vandals because of that.

[LJJ]

"Eurocentrism" :roll:

What the hell is that? Seems like it's another one of those thinly veiled racist terms. Eurocentrism doesn't exist.

[TheMan]

Also todays spanish people have a completly different genetic backround.

Spain was occupied by the Muslims for hundreds of years, and todays people in Spain are looking more "mediterranian" than the ancient Vandals because of that.
Yeah I know.

I find all this stuff kind of fascinating. I guess because I'm older, my parents have passed away and I now have kids of my own. I just wonder what an ancestor of mine was going through, like did he sack Rome as a Vandal, was he a Visigoth pillaging the Iberian peninsula, did I have an ancestor roaming the great plains of Kansas or was he chilling in the pyramids of Teotihuacan with the Aztecs. Or did I have an ancestor in some other part of the world I have no idea of that is part of my family tree...I dunno, I just find it interesting.

[StephHamann]

Another note: The ancients Romans were very small people, they say the average Roman was 1,50m tall. The Germanic tribes had an average hight of 1,70m and Roman historians called them giants.

Modern day Italians, Greek Germans have nothing in common with the ancient people that lived in the same area.

[Lebowsky]

You are proud of your racist Spanish ancestors who enslaved the Aztecs and forced their religion upon them and destroyed their culture? You are proud of your Aztec ancestors who gave up their culture and surrendered as slaves to the invading racist Iberians? The "People of the Sun" the greatest civilization in Central America, were all but wiped out by a couple hundred Spaniards. And then the ones who survived were turned in to bitch slaves and forced to adapt the invaders culture and religion. You call that "alpha af"?



LOL What do you think your great grandfathers ancestors did? Whether you admit it or not, your direct ancestors directly contributed to the genocide of millions, and the cultural destruction of South America's greatest native civilizations.
Christ. White people-always trying to deny responsibility and reject their whiteness.

The Iberian people you are so proud of being a part of make WASPs look like saints. Your people wiped out the Aztecs, the Incans and several other beautiful South and Central American tribes. Your ancestors are directly responsible for the murder, rape and forced conversion of millions of innocent people.

The Iberian people ARE THE VANDALS. They are directly responsible FOR THE SACK OF ROME. Your people destroyed the greatest city in the world!


How does it feel to be a white man?

This is incorrect. The main ethnic groups in post-Roman Hispania were the Goths (Visigoths and Ostrogoths), the Suebis, the Celts, the Vandals and the Alans. Some of them were Germanic (Goths and Vandals, Suebis), some of them were not (Celts and Alans). The largest and, by far, most important group were the Visigoths, whose kingdom lasted over 200 years.

[BasedTom]

http://cosmicconvergence.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/juliuscaesar.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ef/Alexander1256.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ma1G6dLkpdw/T8Rhp_l4fYI/AAAAAAAAAIU/vt-A3bqBmjE/s1600/Achilles_hugoMorais_render3.1.jpg

they might not have been all blonde pale northern europeans, but they were clearly white and had white facial features. Even today go to the mediterranean, from iberia to the balkans and you have to be out of your mind to claim that the people are not white (with the obvious exception of immigrant and gypsy communities)

http://static.donquijote.org/images/blogs/dq-reg/el-cid-and-other-legends.jpg

[NumberSix]

http://cosmicconvergence.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/juliuscaesar.jpg

http://img.timeinc.net/time/2010/time100_poll_walkup/degeneres_ellen.jpg

[DonDadda59]

Greeks and Turks spoke with English accents 3,000 years ago. Learn your History. :no:

[NumberSix]

Greeks and Turks spoke with English accents 3,000 years ago. Learn your History. :no:
Turks? Lol. There were no "Turks" 3,000 years.

[DonDadda59]

Turks? Lol. There were no "Turks" 3,000 years.

Of course not. There were Australians and British peoples who spoke with English accents. Learn your History. :applause:

[NumberSix]

Of course not. There were Australians and British peoples who spoke with English accents. Learn your History. :applause:
:facepalm

Turks are like white Americans. They're land conquerors from somewhere else. They're from the area between the Russian and Chinese borders.

[DonDadda59]

:facepalm

Turks are like white Americans. They're land conquerors from somewhere else. They're from the area between the Russian and Chinese borders.

:no:

http://media4.popsugar-assets.com/files/2012/12/51/4/192/1922398/b8a6dcabefd6b237_orlandobloom.xxxlarge_2.jpg

http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Eric+Bana+Hanna+New+York+Screening+Arrivals+u6n2ZG 6nTJel.jpg

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Arts/Arts_/Pictures/2007/08/07/peterotoole460.jpg

With English accents.

Learn your History.

[Nick Young]

Also todays spanish people have a completly different genetic backround.

Spain was occupied by the Muslims for hundreds of years, and todays people in Spain are looking more "mediterranian" than the ancient Vandals because of that.
Not all of Spain was occupied though. Many Spanish are still mostly Vandal with little to no Moorish blood in them.

[Nick Young]

Yeah I know.

I find all this stuff kind of fascinating. I guess because I'm older, my parents have passed away and I now have kids of my own. I just wonder what an ancestor of mine was going through, like did he sack Rome as a Vandal, was he a Visigoth pillaging the Iberian peninsula, did I have an ancestor roaming the great plains of Kansas or was he chilling in the pyramids of Teotihuacan with the Aztecs. Or did I have an ancestor in some other part of the world I have no idea of that is part of my family tree...I dunno, I just find it interesting.
No one in the Pyaramids of Tenochtitlan. The priests who lived there would ritually torture themselves on the regular, doing things like bloodletting by dragging a rope of thorns across their tongue. The other people who got to chill on the pyramids were slaves, and the only way out for them was getting thrown down the stairs after the priest ripped their heart out and slashed their throat.

Please tell ISH what it feels like to be a white man.

[Nick Young]

Another note: The ancients Romans were very small people, they say the average Roman was 1,50m tall. The Germanic tribes had an average hight of 1,70m and Roman historians called them giants.

Modern day Italians, Greek Germans have nothing in common with the ancient people that lived in the same area.
Greeks and Italians are still a race of short midgets though.