You never see full court or half court pressure anymore?

[90sgoat]

Why is that?

The full court pressure was a staple of defense in the not so long ago. Today we see the player walk the ball up with no urgency and no one trying to challenge him.

Weak era is weak.

[dubeta]

The handles of todays players are too good for full court pressure

http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1366381/IrvingWow2.gif


vs.

http://i33.tinypic.com/25q817l.jpg



Now you tell me, what looks harder to stop?

[90sgoat]

Irvin carried at least twice in that gif:roll:

[Fallen Angel]

https://i.imgflip.com/ifx41.gif

[Lebron23]

Dubeta and Fallen Angel shutting down this thread.

[3ball]

https://i.imgflip.com/ifx41.gif
It's a foul if they touch him, literally.

He's never get that in the 80's or 90's because guys would've made contact with him right away slowing him down and then he'd be forearmed all the way up the court... He'd have to turn his back to the defender just like Isiah, Hardaway, KJ, Magic and Payton did.

[JtotheIzzo]

it is common belief that it is best not to run a team down during a 82 game season.

fullcourt pressure can give up a lot of rim 2s.

bigs are better passers and 2s and 3s can often handle like point guards nowadays.

no team has a huge speed and length advantage on another.

[chips93]

Im sure the hand checking ban has a lot to do with it

[feyki]

Dubeta and Fallen Angel shutting down this thread.

Thougher era = lower flashy plays .

[ProfessorMurder]

Avery Bradley and Smart do it fairly often.

[DonDadda59]

Why is that?

The full court pressure was a staple of defense in the not so long ago. Today we see the player walk the ball up with no urgency and no one trying to challenge him.

Weak era is weak.

I actually made a similar thread earlier this year (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=371362).

The NBA has completely handicapped defenses.


The handles of todays players are too good for full court pressure

Look at what the ghost of Kobe Bryant did to LeBestPlayerInTheLeauge by simply putting his forearm on Bron's hip:

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/3-27-2015/D3mgwW.gif

That's the kind of defense Bron would've seen on a nightly basis in the 90s. He would've been forced to play like a more traditional PF because of his glaring lack of ball-handling skills (which he can hide in this era).


https://i.imgflip.com/ifx41.gif

Now compare Kobe's physical defense against the so-called best player in the game to this phantom 'defense' against Russ. No one can touch him or actually play defense so they just watch him run up court unchallenged to score a completely uncontested dunk. Those dudes may as well be chairs.

The weakest of eras. :facepalm

[OldSchoolBBall]

lol @ the usual "their handles are too good" nonsense from the usual suspects. No. They can only DISPLAY those handles because as soon as any physical contact is made a foul is called. Look at PG's in the 80's through mid-90's, who had to bring the ball up with their back turned or half-turned to the defender, because the defender was allowed to have one hand on their hip and be more physical. You think PG's in the mid-90's had no handle? Nonsense.

[sportjames23]

lol @ the usual "their handles are too good" nonsense from the usual suspects. No. They can only DISPLAY those handles because as soon as any physical contact is made a foul is called. Look at PG's in the 80's through mid-90's, who had to bring the ball up with their back turned or half-turned to the defender, because the defender was allowed to have one hand on their hip and be more physical. You think PG's in the mid-90's had no handle? Nonsense.


Thank you. Magic, Isaiah and Kidd would kill these young bucks when it comes to handles.

[Pointguard]

Thank you. Magic, Isaiah and Kidd would kill these young bucks when it comes to handles.
Speaking of Bucks, they will likely do half court presses in the playoffs this year. And its going to be a problem, as they have the length, speed and bodies to do it. You need depth and a healthy team to do it.

[DonDadda59]

Speaking of Bucks, they will likely do half court presses in the playoffs this year. And its going to be a problem, as they have the length, speed and bodies to do it. You need depth and a healthy team to do it.

Their defense looked scary at times during the playoffs. Too bad they didn't have much of an offense. With Monroe and Jabari back, they could surprise a lot of people this season.

[Millslapped]

Thank you. Magic, Isaiah and Kidd would kill these young bucks when it comes to handles.
they really wouldn't. kyrie for instance is a better ball handler than all of them.

[Millslapped]

Also about halfcourt defense: it's used at times but it's not effective to run for full games. it's too tiring and the ball handler will likely get it up anyways. it also allows easier runs to the basket if a player loses his man in the backcourt

[Pointguard]

Their defense looked scary at times during the playoffs. Too bad they didn't have much of an offense. With Monroe and Jabari back, they could surprise a lot of people this season.
I still have a problem imagining their offense. Middleton and AnteFunk could be allstars on other teams. But to me, all four, are unconventional on offense. Jabari is the best natural scorer but is too new to the game to be the man. Their main players can all move, are long, all skilled. MCW got his hands full.

[chips93]

they really wouldn't. kyrie for instance is a better ball handler than all of them.

if isiah were allowed to carry it like todays players are, he'd be the best ball handler in the league

[Millslapped]

if isiah were allowed to carry it like todays players are, he'd be the best ball handler in the league
nah. they call carrying now like they did back then too bud. time to take off the nostalgia goggles

[chips93]

nah. they call carrying now like they did back then too bud. time to take off the nostalgia goggles

im 22, ive no nostalgia. ive just seen enough old games to know that officiating has changed over time

[Pointguard]

they really wouldn't. kyrie for instance is a better ball handler than all of them.
You are talking fancy dribble. Isiah was equal as a magician with the ball. Kyrie looks more dynamic primarily because of the spin. But Oldskool was talking about the ability to break doubles and traps where Magic was the best ever. And Kidd not far behind. Court vision is really key in breaking traps and pressure. Not that Kyrie is below par but those guys could not be doubled.

[Millslapped]

You are talking fancy dribble. Isiah was equal as a magician with the ball. Kyrie looks more dynamic primarily because of the spin. But Oldskool was talking about the ability to break doubles and traps where Magic was the best ever. And Kidd not far behind. Court vision is really key in breaking traps and pressure. Not that Kyrie is below par but those guys could not be doubled.
well i just brought up kyrie, there's tons of modern players who are just as good and probably better at splitting the double and traps. wade for instance.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

You're kidding right? penny, Tim hardaway, magic, isiah all had better handles than anyone in the league. Healthy early 90s Kevin Johnson probably did too

[PHILA]

fancy dribble.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeUckWSloS8&t=4m