First Championship Finals Stats LeBron vs. Kobe vs. Jordan

[dubeta]

How would you rank them?


LeBron 2012 Finals : 28.6ppg 10.2 rebounds 7.4 assists 55.8 TS%


Jordan 1991 Finals: 31.2 points 6.6 rebounds 11.2 assists 61.2 TS%


Kobe 2000 Finals: 15.6ppg 4.6 rebounds 4.2 assists 41.1 TS%




I think the order that I listed them is a fair way to rank them.

Discuss

[Hit_Em]

http://i.imgur.com/k8wxPNR.png

[Dr Hawk]

Diehard Kobe and LeBron fan here but this is Jordan by 3 galaxies

[Straight_Ballin]

How would you rank them?


LeBron 2012 Finals : 28.6ppg 10.2 rebounds 7.4 assists 55.8 TS%


Jordan 1991 Finals: 31.2 points 6.6 rebounds 11.2 assists 61.2 TS%


Kobe 2000 Finals: 15.6ppg 4.6 rebounds 4.2 assists 41.1 TS%




I think the order that I listed them is a fair way to rank them.



Discuss

Jordan out performed Bron in points, assists and TS%
Bron out performed Jordan in rebounds.

Suffice to say that the order from best to worst is:

Jordan
Lebron
Kobe

[dubeta]

Jordan out performed Bron in points, assists and TS%
Bron out performed Jordan in rebounds.

Suffice to say that the order from best to worst is:

Jordan
Lebron
Kobe

Yup, unless we look at pace, possessions, defensive rankings of opposition, Team DTG.




Basically, I only listed pts, rebs, assists, so old timers like you could understand, but if I put the advanced stats then LeBron is so >>>>> Jordan its not even funny.

[riseagainst]

another reason by MJ is the GOAT, as proven by the OP.

:bowdown:

[GoatBoy]

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5
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[Straight_Ballin]

Yup, unless we look at pace, possessions, defensive rankings of opposition, Team DTG.




Basically, I only listed pts, rebs, assists, so old timers like you could understand, but if I put the advanced stats then LeBron is so >>>>> Jordan its not even funny.

No, you only listed those things as you should, because they correctly portray Jordan as being the better finals performer.

I mean damn the guy was so superior to Bron that in your haste to discredit him, you actually proved that he truly was better!

[dubeta]

Are all Jordan stans this cringeworthy when it comes to trolling? :lol


Not one decent troll amongst y'all

[Straight_Ballin]

Are all Jordan stans this cringeworthy when it comes to trolling? :lol


Not one decent troll amongst y'all

http://static4.fjcdn.com/comments/Slow+down+there+if+you+backpedal+any+harder+you+re +_a3d49722b2d620ca34705d628fa56dc5.jpg

[Dragonyeuw]

Ranking MJ vs Lebron finals appearances:

1993 MJ
1991 MJ
1992 MJ
1997 MJ
2012 Lebron
1998 MJ
2013 Lebron
1996 MJ
2015 Lebron
2014 Lebron
2007 Lebron
2011 Lebron

Actually the ranking of the last 4 is immaterial...he lost all of them.

[dubeta]

Ranking MJ vs Lebron finals appearances:

1993 MJ
1991 MJ
1992 MJ
1997 MJ
2012 Lebron
1998 MJ
2013 Lebron
1996 MJ
2015 Lebron
2014 Lebron
2007 Lebron
2011 Lebron

Actually the ranking of the last 4 is immaterial...he lost all of them.

Good excuse, because in reality his 2014 finals was better than any MJ finals except 1993 and 1991


And statistically his 2015 finals was better than any of MJs (most percentage of team points scored, double the rebounds, and almost 10 assists a game)

So overall they are equal as Finals performances, The top 6 performances are 1991 Jordan 2012 LeBron 1997 Jordan 2014 LeBron 2015 LeBron 1993 Jordan in whatever order you choose to put them. Its close either way


But quality trolling nonetheless.

[DMV2]

You forgot the most important part.

Jordan played all 5 games in that 1991 Finals. Legit #1 option ring. Finals MVP.
LeBron played all 5 games in that 2012 Finals. Legit #1 option ring. Finals MVP.

Kobe played 4 full games and one 8-min game of 6 games in that 2000 Finals. Even as a sidekick, Kobe couldn't even play a full series. Got injury because he was soft and weak. :roll:

[SHAQisGOAT]

Yup, unless we look at pace, possessions, defensive rankings of opposition, Team DTG.




Basically, I only listed pts, rebs, assists, so old timers like you could understand, but if I put the advanced stats then LeBron is so >>>>> Jordan its not even funny.

1991 NBA Finals - 85.8 pace
2012 NBA Finals - 88.6 pace

In the Finals...

Jordan - .612 TS%, .556 eFG%, 125 ORtg, 102 DRtg, 29.4 GmSc, 31.9 USG%
LeBron - .558 TS%, .486 eFG%, 117 ORtg, 109 DRtg, 23.6 GmSc, 32.0 USG%

LAL's DRtg = 104.5
OKC's DRtg = 110.6

In the regular-season...

LAL - Def Rtg: 105.0 (5th out of 27; -2.9 relative to the rest of the league)
OKC - Def Rtg: 103.2 (11th out of 30; -1.4 relative to the rest of the league)

What more advanced stats do you want now? :rolleyes:

Oh, and I'm not even going to mention eye-test because I'm sure you know very little about actual basketball, and you've most likely never even seen Jordan's play in those Finals.
Now, go troll somewhere else, please... It's worthless and dumb af since the start... Ain't you tired of catching L's?
:facepalm

[Mr. Jabbar]

I divide human history in 2 parts: before and after lebron fkn james aka KENG james, so take this ranking with a ton of salt:

1993 MJ
1991 MJ
1992 MJ
1997 MJ
1998 MJ
1996 MJ
<long cat>
2012 Lebron
2013 Lebron
2015 Lebron
2014 Lebron
2007 Lebron
2011 Lebron

:(

[dubeta]

1991 NBA Finals - 85.8 pace
2012 NBA Finals - 88.6 pace

In the Finals...

Jordan - .612 TS%, .556 eFG%, 125 ORtg, 102 DRtg, 29.4 GmSc, 31.9 USG%
LeBron - .558 TS%, .486 eFG%, 117 ORtg, 109 DRtg, 23.6 GmSc, 32.0 USG%

LAL's DRtg = 104.5
OKC's DRtg = 110.6

In the regular-season...

LAL - Def Rtg: 105.0 (5th out of 27; -2.9 relative to the rest of the league)
OKC - Def Rtg: 103.2 (11th out of 30; -1.4 relative to the rest of the league)

What more advanced stats do you want now? :rolleyes:

Oh, and I'm not even going to mention eye-test because I'm sure you know very little about actual basketball, and you've most likely never even seen Jordan's play in those Finals.
Now, go troll somewhere else, please... It's worthless and dumb af since the start... Ain't you tired of catching L's?
:facepalm



Respond to my post here please

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11750964&postcount=136

[riseagainst]

1991 NBA Finals - 85.8 pace
2012 NBA Finals - 88.6 pace

In the Finals...

Jordan - .612 TS%, .556 eFG%, 125 ORtg, 102 DRtg, 29.4 GmSc, 31.9 USG%
LeBron - .558 TS%, .486 eFG%, 117 ORtg, 109 DRtg, 23.6 GmSc, 32.0 USG%

LAL's DRtg = 104.5
OKC's DRtg = 110.6

In the regular-season...

LAL - Def Rtg: 105.0 (5th out of 27; -2.9 relative to the rest of the league)
OKC - Def Rtg: 103.2 (11th out of 30; -1.4 relative to the rest of the league)

What more advanced stats do you want now? :rolleyes:

Oh, and I'm not even going to mention eye-test because I'm sure you know very little about actual basketball, and you've most likely never even seen Jordan's play in those Finals.
Now, go troll somewhere else, please... It's worthless and dumb af since the start... Ain't you tired of catching L's?
:facepalm



god dam, OP just got bodybagged.

:roll:

[DonDadda59]

1991 NBA Finals - 85.8 pace
2012 NBA Finals - 88.6 pace

In the Finals...

Jordan - .612 TS%, .556 eFG%, 125 ORtg, 102 DRtg, 29.4 GmSc, 31.9 USG%
LeBron - .558 TS%, .486 eFG%, 117 ORtg, 109 DRtg, 23.6 GmSc, 32.0 USG%

LAL's DRtg = 104.5
OKC's DRtg = 110.6

In the regular-season...

LAL - Def Rtg: 105.0 (5th out of 27; -2.9 relative to the rest of the league)
OKC - Def Rtg: 103.2 (11th out of 30; -1.4 relative to the rest of the league)

What more advanced stats do you want now? :rolleyes:

Oh, and I'm not even going to mention eye-test because I'm sure you know very little about actual basketball, and you've most likely never even seen Jordan's play in those Finals.
Now, go troll somewhere else, please... It's worthless and dumb af since the start... Ain't you tired of catching L's?
:facepalm


DeBeta be like-

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-1cOmrnB2bDo/UF9P0q1yZvI/AAAAAAAADIw/4jwAmABdj6g/s320/Vince-McMahon-distraught.gif

[3ball]

Yup, unless we look at pace, possessions, defensive rankings of opposition, Team DTG.


Pace was SLOWER in 1991 Finals than 2012 Finals (85.8 to 88.6)....

and DRTG for OKC and the Lakers was both 115.... See those stats here:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/1991-nba-finals-lakers-vs-bulls.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2012-nba-finals-heat-vs-thunder.html


edit: shaqisgoat beat me to it
.

[dubeta]

Lot of misinformation IIT

:facepalm


You can't just pull out any stat and use it.


It needs CONTEXT

[Dragonyeuw]

Good excuse, because in reality his 2014 finals was better than any MJ finals except 1993 and 1991


And statistically his 2015 finals was better than any of MJs (most percentage of team points scored, double the rebounds, and almost 10 assists a game)

So overall they are equal as Finals performances, The top 6 performances are 1991 Jordan 2012 LeBron 1997 Jordan 2014 LeBron 2015 LeBron 1993 Jordan in whatever order you choose to put them. Its close either way


But quality trolling nonetheless.

In 2013 he was subpar for the first 4 games, was almost eliminated in game 6 if not for Ray Allen. To his credit he came through in game 7, but not remotely close to MJ's best.

In 2014 he put up 28/8/4. MJ has at least 4 finals with stats superior to that. In 92 he destroyed Drexler, outscoring him by nearly 10ppg. Meanwhile Lebron was cramping up in one game and losing Finals MVP to a homeless man's Scottie Pippen. In 97, MJ hits the gamewinner in game 1 and the 38 point flue game.

In 2015 Lebron shot 39% against mostly single coverage defense. MJ and Kobe in their primes would have both crucified Igudola with the defense he played on Lebron.

[Dragonyeuw]

1991 NBA Finals - 85.8 pace
2012 NBA Finals - 88.6 pace

In the Finals...

Jordan - .612 TS%, .556 eFG%, 125 ORtg, 102 DRtg, 29.4 GmSc, 31.9 USG%
LeBron - .558 TS%, .486 eFG%, 117 ORtg, 109 DRtg, 23.6 GmSc, 32.0 USG%

LAL's DRtg = 104.5
OKC's DRtg = 110.6

In the regular-season...

LAL - Def Rtg: 105.0 (5th out of 27; -2.9 relative to the rest of the league)
OKC - Def Rtg: 103.2 (11th out of 30; -1.4 relative to the rest of the league)

What more advanced stats do you want now? :rolleyes:

Oh, and I'm not even going to mention eye-test because I'm sure you know very little about actual basketball, and you've most likely never even seen Jordan's play in those Finals.
Now, go troll somewhere else, please... It's worthless and dumb af since the start... Ain't you tired of catching L's?
:facepalm


The end.

[Cold soul]

1991 NBA Finals - 85.8 pace
2012 NBA Finals - 88.6 pace

In the Finals...

Jordan - .612 TS%, .556 eFG%, 125 ORtg, 102 DRtg, 29.4 GmSc, 31.9 USG%
LeBron - .558 TS%, .486 eFG%, 117 ORtg, 109 DRtg, 23.6 GmSc, 32.0 USG%

LAL's DRtg = 104.5
OKC's DRtg = 110.6

In the regular-season...

LAL - Def Rtg: 105.0 (5th out of 27; -2.9 relative to the rest of the league)
OKC - Def Rtg: 103.2 (11th out of 30; -1.4 relative to the rest of the league)

What more advanced stats do you want now? :rolleyes:

Oh, and I'm not even going to mention eye-test because I'm sure you know very little about actual basketball, and you've most likely never even seen Jordan's play in those Finals.
Now, go troll somewhere else, please... It's worthless and dumb af since the start... Ain't you tired of catching L's?
:facepalm


Ouch straight up destroyed. :bowdown:

[Mr. Jabbar]

1991 NBA Finals - 85.8 pace
2012 NBA Finals - 88.6 pace

In the Finals...

Jordan - .612 TS%, .556 eFG%, 125 ORtg, 102 DRtg, 29.4 GmSc, 31.9 USG%
LeBron - .558 TS%, .486 eFG%, 117 ORtg, 109 DRtg, 23.6 GmSc, 32.0 USG%

LAL's DRtg = 104.5
OKC's DRtg = 110.6

In the regular-season...

LAL - Def Rtg: 105.0 (5th out of 27; -2.9 relative to the rest of the league)
OKC - Def Rtg: 103.2 (11th out of 30; -1.4 relative to the rest of the league)

What more advanced stats do you want now? :rolleyes:

Oh, and I'm not even going to mention eye-test because I'm sure you know very little about actual basketball, and you've most likely never even seen Jordan's play in those Finals.
Now, go troll somewhere else, please... It's worthless and dumb af since the start... Ain't you tired of catching L's?
:facepalm



RIP dubeta, we had some great times :cry: :(

Memorial services will be held tomorrow if anyone wishes to attend

[Straight_Ballin]

How many L's does this Debeta catch on a daily basis. I've counted like 5 now in the last 10 minutes. Must suffer from some type of bipolar disorder or some shit.

[DonDadda59]

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130429193457/maditsmadfunny/images/8/80/Casper_the_Friendly_Ghost.jpg

https://1888.org/images/2012/07/17/8597/seance.jpg

Is that you, spirit? We can barely hear your voice. Go to the light my child. Go to the light.

[SHAQisGOAT]

Pace was SLOWER in 1991 Finals than 2012 Finals (85.8 to 88.6)....

and DRTG for OKC and the Lakers was both 115.... See those stats here:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/1991-nba-finals-lakers-vs-bulls.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2012-nba-finals-heat-vs-thunder.html


edit: shaqisgoat beat me to it
.

You're right there, I've switched ORtg with DRtg in my previous post here... Point still more than stands though, and dubeta just likes to talk out of his ass for the sake of trolling most likely. Plus, it's dumb to include Kobe in this discussion, imho.

[dubeta]

In 2013 he was subpar for the first 4 games, was almost eliminated in game 6 if not for Ray Allen. To his credit he came through in game 7, but not remotely close to MJ's best.

In 2014 he put up 28/8/4. MJ has at least 4 finals with stats superior to that. In 92 he destroyed Drexler, outscoring him by nearly 10ppg. Meanwhile Lebron was cramping up in one game and losing Finals MVP to a homeless man's Scottie Pippen. In 97, MJ hits the gamewinner in game 1 and the 38 point flue game.

In 2015 Lebron shot 39% against mostly single coverage defense. MJ and Kobe in their primes would have both crucified Igudola with the defense he played on Lebron.


I never brought up 2013 :facepalm



Not worth wasting my time with you when you're clearly trolling, pulling out facts from your ass. I said 2012, 2014, 2015 rank up with any of Jordans best, and theyre about equal as Finals performers, but continue lying

[GIF REACTION]

Dubeta straight KILLING these fools. ItsaMURDER

[feyki]

Ranking MJ vs Lebron finals appearances:

1993 MJ
1991 MJ
1992 MJ
1997 MJ
2012 Lebron
1998 MJ
2013 Lebron
1996 MJ
2015 Lebron
2014 Lebron
2007 Lebron
2011 Lebron

Actually the ranking of the last 4 is immaterial...he lost all of them.

93 Jordan
91 Jordan
15 Lebron
92 Jordan
12 Lebron
97 Jordan
13 Lebron
96 Jordan
14 Lebron
98 Jordan
11 Lebron
07 Lebron .

[dubeta]

93 Jordan
91 Jordan
15 Lebron
92 Jordan
12 Lebron
97 Jordan
13 Lebron
96 Jordan
14 Lebron
98 Jordan
11 Lebron
07 Lebron .

How is 96 Jordan > 98 Jordan and 2014 LeBron?

[feyki]

How is 96 Jordan > 98 Jordan and 2014 LeBron?

I think impact the total game more important than efficient points . Defence,ribaunds,ball movement leading more important than points for me.

Jordan averaged 4 ribaunds , 2 assists per game in the 98 finals , defensive side is good but not an all around impact of the total games .

Lebron averaged 8 ribaunds(with the non-center guys) , 4 assists per game and he's played no defence in the 14 finals .

And Lebron played with 87.4 pace (14 finals) , Jordan played with 83.5 pace (96 finals) .

[Straight_Ballin]

93 Jordan
91 Jordan
15 Shut down at 29% by role player Iggy - no Kyrie, no Love tho
92 Jordan
12 Lebron
97 Jordan
13 Lebron
98 Jordan
96 Jordan
14 No excuse. Shut down by role player and old man Duncan
11 No excuse. Stacked team and still lost
07 Cavs had no business being in Finals, no fault of Bron they lost

[Dragonyeuw]

I never brought up 2013 :facepalm



Not worth wasting my time with you when you're clearly trolling, pulling out facts from your ass. I said 2012, 2014, 2015 rank up with any of Jordans best, and theyre about equal as Finals performers, but continue lying

You didn't, but I did. 2013 doesn't count?

And no, 2012, 2014, and 2015 aren't close to MJ's best finals performances. You're so fixated with his 2015 stats that you overlook that he shot atrociously against the kind of defense that MJ would have destroyed. I give Lebron credit for willing that team to 2 wins against the Warriors, but that doesn't supercede MJ's best.

Explain how 2014 is up there with 91, 92, 93, or for that matter 97. Some of us don't stroke our peens to the stats, we actually watch the games. Anyone watching those games can see that MJ performed at a higher level. There's only one finals where MJ performed at less than his standard, which was 96 and only after the point where the Bulls had taken a 3-0 lead. I usually give Lebron the benefit of the doubt for 2007, being young and inexperienced, but if you want to go there about comparing them as finals performers, Lebron was bad in 2007, 2011, most of 2013, solid but unspectacular in 2014 and shot poorly in 2015 in spite of otherwise good stats. He was BELOW his standard for half the finals he appeared in. Shaqisgoat already destroyed your pace argument for 2012, which would be Lebron's best finals. Lebron's best finals appearances in the best case scenario, you measure against what MJ did in 97 and 98. He has no case against MJ's 91-93 run.

[Straight_Ballin]

You didn't, but I did. 2013 doesn't count?

And no, 2012, 2014, and 2015 aren't close to MJ's best finals performances. You're so fixated with his 2015 stats that you overlook that he shot atrociously against the kind of defense that MJ would have destroyed.

Explain how 2014 is up there with 91, 92, 93, or for that matter 97. Some of us don't stroke our peens to the stats, we actually watch the games. Anyone watching those games can see that MJ performed at a higher level. There's only one finals where MJ performed at less than his standard, which was 96 and only after the point where the Bulls had taken a 3-0 lead. I usually give Lebron the benefit of the doubt for 2007, being young and inexperienced, but if you want to go there about comparing them as finals performers, Lebron was bad in 2007, 2011, most of 2013, and shot poorly in 2015 in spite of otherwise good stats. He was BELOW his standard for half the finals he appeared in. Shaqisgoat already destroyed your pace argument for 2012, which would be Lebron's best finals.

InB4.... "But... but... but.... Lebron was only singled covered! If he was doubled his % would be Jordan Finals like!" :lol :lol :lol :lol

[3ball]

07 Cavs had no business being in Finals, no fault of Bron they lost


When you say "no business being in the Finals", what are you basing that on?

It's not their seeding, since they were the 2 seed with a 50-win record, and the 1 seed Detroit only won 53 games (the lowest for a 1 seed ever).

Also, how is it not Lebron's fault given he averaged a horrific 22 ppg on 35%?.. The games weren't blowouts - they were actually all quite close.. Cleveland's D was for real, kind of like this year.

[pauk]

6
5
2

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(mvps)
5
4
1

(fmvps)
6
2
2

yet again:

Jordan
Lebron
Kobe

[ImKobe]

roflmao at comparing 2000 Kobe's championship stats vs prime MJ and Bran

it should be 2009 Kobe, when he was the leader and not injured...

32/6/7 53%TS

opposing defense: 101.9 Drtg (1st)

1991 Lakers: 104.7 (6th)

2012 OKC:103.2 (12th)

[Straight_Ballin]

When you say "no business being in the Finals", what are you basing that on?

It's not their seeding, since they were the 2 seed with a 50-win record, and the 1 seed Detroit only won 53 games (the lowest for a 1 seed ever).

Also, how is it not Lebron's fault given he averaged a horrific 22 ppg on 35%?.. The games weren't blowouts - they were actually all quite close.. Cleveland's D was for real, kind of like this year.

I'm basing it on the Cavs team relative to the Spurs team. These were the odds:

Cleveland Cavaliers win in 4 Games 35/1
Cleveland Cavaliers win in 5 Games 15/1
Cleveland Cavaliers win in 6 Games 10/1
Cleveland Cavaliers win in 7 Games 15/2
San Antonio Spurs win in 4 Games 7/2
San Antonio Spurs win in 5 Games 9/4
San Antonio Spurs win in 6 Games 8/5
San Antonio Spurs win in 7 Games 13/4

[juju151111]

1991 NBA Finals - 85.8 pace
2012 NBA Finals - 88.6 pace

In the Finals...

Jordan - .612 TS%, .556 eFG%, 125 ORtg, 102 DRtg, 29.4 GmSc, 31.9 USG%
LeBron - .558 TS%, .486 eFG%, 117 ORtg, 109 DRtg, 23.6 GmSc, 32.0 USG%

LAL's DRtg = 104.5
OKC's DRtg = 110.6

In the regular-season...

LAL - Def Rtg: 105.0 (5th out of 27; -2.9 relative to the rest of the league)
OKC - Def Rtg: 103.2 (11th out of 30; -1.4 relative to the rest of the league)

What more advanced stats do you want now? :rolleyes:

Oh, and I'm not even going to mention eye-test because I'm sure you know very little about actual basketball, and you've most likely never even seen Jordan's play in those Finals.
Now, go troll somewhere else, please... It's worthless and dumb af since the start... Ain't you tired of catching L's?
:facepalm

Damn Ether:roll: :lol

[juju151111]

I never brought up 2013 :facepalm



Not worth wasting my time with you when you're clearly trolling, pulling out facts from your ass. I said 2012, 2014, 2015 rank up with any of Jordans best, and theyre about equal as Finals performers, but continue lying
Post LJ first 3 finals performance with Mj first 3 dumbass.

[juju151111]

Dubeta how is 12,13,14 better then 92 Mj?:lol

[AirFederer]

Dubusted RIP :rockon:

[3ball]

I'm basing it on the Cavs team relative to the Spurs team. These were the odds:

Cleveland Cavaliers win in 4 Games 35/1
Cleveland Cavaliers win in 5 Games 15/1
Cleveland Cavaliers win in 6 Games 10/1
Cleveland Cavaliers win in 7 Games 15/2
San Antonio Spurs win in 4 Games 7/2
San Antonio Spurs win in 5 Games 9/4
San Antonio Spurs win in 6 Games 8/5
San Antonio Spurs win in 7 Games 13/4
You said the Cavs had no business BEING IN the Finals - what are you basing this on

You couldn't be basing it on their seeding, since they were the 2 seed with a 50-win record, and the 1 seed Detroit only won 53 games (the lowest ever for a 1 seed).

Also, how is it not Lebron's fault given he averaged a horrific 22 ppg on 35%?.. The games weren't blowouts - they were actually all quite close.. Cleveland's D was for real, kind of like this year.

[Straight_Ballin]

You said the Cavs had no business BEING IN the Finals - what are you basing this on

You couldn't be basing it on their seeding, since they were the 2 seed with a 50-win record, and the 1 seed Detroit only won 53 games (the lowest ever for a 1 seed).

Also, how is it not Lebron's fault given he averaged a horrific 22 ppg on 35%?.. The games weren't blowouts - they were actually all quite close.. Cleveland's D was for real, kind of like this year.

I meant they weren't worthy enough of even being on the same court as the Spurs. A horrible bron shooting 22ppg on 35% is evidence of the fact that he had no business whatsoever even breathing the same air on that court as a man like Duncan who has won in 3 different decades as the man. What ever D they had that enabled them to get to the finals resulted in them getting swept 4-0.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

1991 NBA Finals - 85.8 pace
2012 NBA Finals - 88.6 pace

In the Finals...

Jordan - .612 TS%, .556 eFG%, 125 ORtg, 102 DRtg, 29.4 GmSc, 31.9 USG%
LeBron - .558 TS%, .486 eFG%, 117 ORtg, 109 DRtg, 23.6 GmSc, 32.0 USG%

LAL's DRtg = 104.5
OKC's DRtg = 110.6

In the regular-season...

LAL - Def Rtg: 105.0 (5th out of 27; -2.9 relative to the rest of the league)
OKC - Def Rtg: 103.2 (11th out of 30; -1.4 relative to the rest of the league)

What more advanced stats do you want now? :rolleyes:

Oh, and I'm not even going to mention eye-test because I'm sure you know very little about actual basketball, and you've most likely never even seen Jordan's play in those Finals.
Now, go troll somewhere else, please... It's worthless and dumb af since the start... Ain't you tired of catching L's?
:facepalm


:lebronamazed:

Dubeta played with fire, and got burnt extra crispy.

I've been telling you guys time and again... When it comes to oldschool hoops, you don't tug on SHAQisGOAT's cape. :no:

[sportjames23]

:lebronamazed:

Dubeta played with fire, and got burnt extra crispy.

I've been telling you guys time and again... When it comes to oldschool hoops, you don't tug on SHAQisGOAT's cape. :no:


LOL dubeta be like, "Please, sir, may I have some more?" :oldlol:

[IllegalD]

Jordan's First Championship Finals

Manufactures on of the Greatest Moments in NBA Finals history:
https://youtu.be/KBhrYayD_8Q :rockon: :pimp:


Kobe's First Championship Finals

Manufactures one of the Greatest Moments in NBA Finals history:
https://youtu.be/kabuQv0qyA8 :applause: :bowdown:



LeBron's First Championship Finals

As memorable as a fart in the wind. :facepalm :lebronamazed:

[Straight_Ballin]

LOL dubeta be like, "Please, sir, may I have some more?" :oldlol:

What's great is that he has like 5 accounts and all are simultaneously being destroyed in different threads by Jordan era posters. :lol

[HOoopCityJones]

Jordan's First Championship Finals

Manufactures on of the Greatest Moments in NBA Finals history:
https://youtu.be/KBhrYayD_8Q :rockon: :pimp:


Kobe's First Championship Finals

Manufactures one of the Greatest Moments in NBA Finals history:
https://youtu.be/kabuQv0qyA8 :applause: :bowdown:



LeBron's First Championship Finals

As memorable as a fart in the wind. :facepalm :lebronamazed:


:applause:

[knicksman]

Heres the gap between kobe/jordan to bran.

jordan and kobe both attract double or even triple teams. Meanwhile bran cant even get single coverage, hes being given 6 ft by a fatass diaw.:lol

[dubeta]

Heres the gap between kobe/jordan to bran.

jordan and kobe both attract double or even triple teams. Meanwhile bran cant even get single coverage, hes being given 6 ft by a fatass diaw.:lol

Kobes 15 points on 35% attracted double teams??

try again bro :kobe:

[knicksman]

Kobes 15 points on 35% attracted double teams??

try again bro :kobe:

bran 8 pts guarded by terry:lol

[Gileraracer]

And statistically his 2015 finals was better than any of MJs (most percentage of team points scored, double the rebounds, and almost 10 assists a game)


You have to be reminded on a daily basis: 39% fg%, 27% beyond 5ft


Thats not good, that's abysmal.



Save to say that Cleveland lost because their ballhog (33FGA per game) couldn't hit the basket.

[Naero]

How is that a fair way to cross-compare the finals performances? Are you trying to cloud the likelihood that Jordan wouldn't have won his first championship had he underperformed as badly as LeBron did in his first-two finals appearances?

That's selective, considering that there is a strong correlation between a superstar's performance and championships. You must be hiding something, so do you want a more all-encompassing comparison on how each player fared in their early finals performances?

First-three finals:

LeBron: 22.5 PPG; 43.8% FG%; 25% 3P%; 73.7% FT%; 8.1 RPG; 7 APG; 1.4 SPG; 0.46 BPG; 4.4 TOV; 16.2 game-score average!

Michael Jordan: 36.3 PPG; 52.6 FG%; 42.1% three-point percentage; 80.5% FT%; 6.6 RPG; 7.9 APG; 2 SPG; 0.76 BPG; 3.4 TOV; 28.2 game-score average!

Not much of a coincidence that Jordan is the one who went 3-3 in those first-three finals performances as well. ;)

[Angel Face]

MJ's 91 Finals was pure perfection. He out-Magic Magic while scoring more. And the switch lay-up that he did, watching it live on TV when I was a kid left me in awe. I can still picture it with my mind clear as day. "Oh a spectacular move by Michael Jordan." GOAT gonna GOAT.

[sportjames23]

Bron stans sorry they woke up that Old Lion. They getting mauled left and right. :oldlol:

[aj1987]

You have to be reminded on a daily basis: 39% fg%, 27% beyond 5ft


Thats not good, that's abysmal.



Save to say that Cleveland lost because their ballhog (33FGA per game) couldn't hit the basket.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2000-nba-finals-pacers-vs-lakers.html

Outscored by Jalen Rose and almost outscored by Austin ****ing Croshere. :roll:

Save by the MDE though.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2004-nba-finals-pistons-vs-lakers.html

Even the MDE could save them from a humiliating 4-1 loss.

[Dragonyeuw]

How is that a fair way to cross-compare the finals performances? Are you trying to cloud the likelihood that Jordan wouldn't have won his first championship had he underperformed as badly as LeBron did in his first-two finals appearances?

That's selective, considering that there is a strong correlation between a superstar's performance and championships. You must be hiding something, so do you want a more all-encompassing comparison on how each player fared in their early finals performances?

First-three finals:

LeBron: 22.5 PPG; 43.8% FG%; 25% 3P%; 73.7% FT%; 8.1 RPG; 7 APG; 1.4 SPG; 0.46 BPG; 4.4 TOV; 16.2 game-score average!

Michael Jordan: 36.3 PPG; 52.6 FG%; 42.1% three-point percentage; 80.5% FT%; 6.6 RPG; 7.9 APG; 2 SPG; 0.76 BPG; 3.4 TOV; 28.2 game-score average!

Not much of a coincidence that Jordan is the one who went 3-3 in those first-three finals performances as well. ;)

Why do you think he compared their first championship stats, instead of first finals appearance? That wasnt by accident. Even MJs worst performance in 96 was leaps and bounds better than 2007 and 2011, and not really much worse than 2013 asides from Lebron's great performance in game 7. But yet, this fool wants us to believe that they are comparable as finals performers.

[Paul George 24]

dubeta GET OWNED :applause: