How many isolation game-winners does Lebron have in playoffs?

[3ball]

like this, for instance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjtRjhvQo6I

[LikeABosh]

Do non isolation game winners not count as much?

[3ball]

Do non isolation game winners not count as much?
Oh no, they count just as much..

I was just remembering some of the great isolation game-winners of other great players, and I was curious how many Lebron had.. So how many?

[Straight_Ballin]

How many finals will it take for lebron to demonstrate perfection in terms of wins/loss ratio in finals?

Oh wait... that ship already set sail.

Someone let me know when the next promising young man rises up to the occasion.

[Mr. Jabbar]

zero.

:(

[LikeABosh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtf7kQZC6gw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jc9G_RLY2Bo

Dagger in game 2013 finals
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9C7FUAP9HA

[dubeta]

Oh no, they count just as much..

I was just remembering some of the great isolation game-winners of other great players, and I was curious how many Lebron had.. So how many?


As many 3 pt gamewinners MJ had

[3ball]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtf7kQZC6gw


This play is a screen-roll where Lebron gets the switch he needed - the screen-roll got the smaller man Antonio Daniels to switch onto him, who Lebron never beats with any move - he just bully-balled and traveled his way to an obvious and embarrassing no-call.






https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jc9G_RLY2Bo


^^^ That's not a game-winner.. Also, it shows what happens when defenders aren't allowed to touch the offensive player - look at all that room the defender had to give Lebron.

Otoh, when the defender is allowed to full contact with the offensive player - when they can hand-check, forearm and lean on the offensive player, you see this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoVMIZWS_-A&t=6m18s





Dagger in 2013 NBA Finals
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9C7FUAP9HA


Not a game-winner and it's a screen-roll play not iso..

[3ball]

As many 3 pt gamewinners MJ had


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=606eOgR9XdQ&t=26m10s
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[ImKobe]

The nikka has no iso skills

[LikeABosh]

This play is a screen-roll where Lebron gets the switch he needed - the screen-roll got the smaller man Antonio Daniels to switch onto him, who Lebron never beats with any move - he just bully-balled and traveled his way to an obvious and embarrassing no-call.



^^^ That's not a game-winner.. Also, it shows what happens when defenders aren't allowed to touch the offensive player - look at all that room the defender had to give Lebron.

Otoh, when the defender is allowed to full contact with the offensive player - when they can hand-check, forearm and lean on the offensive player, you see this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoVMIZWS_-A&t=6m18s



Not a game-winner and it's a screen-roll play not iso..
No one ****ing cares.

[3ball]

No one ****ing cares.
So how many isolation GW's in playoffs?

[Vaniiiia]

That wasn't a travel... he pivoted with his left foot and turned his right (but it never left the ground, no travel)

He was also clearly fouled on that play, which you conveniently ignore.

And it was an isolation play just like you asked for, bitch.

[LikeABosh]

So how many isolation GW's in playoffs?
It appears you misunderstood, NO ONE ****ING CARES

[Straight_Ballin]

It appears you misunderstood, NO ONE ****ING CARES

Meltdown

Realizes Bron has ZERO isolation game winners in the playoffs. :lol

[3ball]

That wasn't a travel... he pivoted with his left foot and turned his right (but it never left the ground, no travel)

He was also clearly fouled on that play, which you conveniently ignore.

And it was an isolation play just like you asked for, bitch.
it was a screen-roll play that got a much smaller defender to switch onto him.

[LikeABosh]

it was a screen-roll play that got a much smaller defender to switch onto him.
You can set a screen and then clear out for an iso dipshit

[Vaniiiia]

You can set a screen and then clear out for an iso dipshit
Yep.

Isolation just means you isolate one guy, doesn't matter who it is, or how it happens.

Isolation game winner for LeBron. With contact too... what a ****ing monster.

[3ball]

You can set a screen and then clear out for an iso dipshit
It's more of a hybrid screen-roll/isolation play than a pure isolation - the screen did happen and it did get the switch.

He benefited from that switch too, since the much smaller defender made it easier for Lebron to bully-ball and travel his way to an obvious no-call.

[dubeta]

Why choose between isolation or 3-pointer when you can have BOTH?

Sorry Jordan fans

http://www.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/LeBron-game-winning-jumper-vs-warriors.gif





Yea its not in the playoffs, but Jordan doesnt have one of these in his entire career.

[LikeABosh]

It's more of a hybrid screen-roll/isolation play than a pure isolation - the screen did happen and it did get the switch.

He benefited from that switch too, since the much smaller defender made it easier for Lebron to bully-ball and travel his way to an obvious no-call.
No one cares what you think. Jordan played against much smaller defenders his whole career

[KirbyPls]

It's more of a hybrid screen-roll/isolation play than a pure isolation - the screen did happen and it did get the switch.

He benefited from that switch too, since the much smaller defender made it easier for Lebron to bully-ball and travel his way to an obvious no-call.

You going to act like your lover's most famous shot/moment wasn't a blatant push off with a no call foul?

MJ is GOAT, but you're easily the most disingenuous MJ stan on this board. At least Don brings a modicum of integrity and plenty of humor; you just blatantly make shit up while being hypocritical in every copypasta job.

[3ball]

http://www.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/LeBron-game-winning-jumper-vs-warriors.gif


Yea its not in the playoffs, but Jordan doesnt have one of these in his entire career.



Wrong - MJ had them - see the link below.

And remember, Lebron had 12 seconds to take that shot, so he was able to take a super-ton of dribbles - otoh, MJ hit this isolation game-winning 3-pointer with only 2 seconds on the clock, yet he still had sufficient 1-dribble repertoire to elude defender:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlQJqTkcd4Y&t=5m53s

[dubeta]

Wrong - MJ had them - see the link below.

And remember, Lebron had 12 seconds to take that shot, so he was able to take a super-ton of dribbles - otoh, MJ hit this isolation game-winning 3-pointer with only 2 seconds on the clock, yet he still had sufficient 1-dribble repertoire to elude defender:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlQJqTkcd4Y&t=5m53s

That wasnt an isolation, just a standard 1 dribble pull-up, any bench warmer in the NBA could do that with their eyes closed.


Solid troll effort though



The fact of the matter is that Jordan just did not have the dribbling skills to pull off advanced isolation 3-pointers

[Vaniiiia]

Wrong - MJ had them - see the link below.

And remember, Lebron had 12 seconds to take that shot, so he was able to take a super-ton of dribbles - otoh, MJ hit this isolation game-winning 3-pointer with only 2 seconds on the clock, yet he still had sufficient 1-dribble repertoire to elude defender:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlQJqTkcd4Y&t=5m53s
If that's considered an isolation game winning 3 then so is this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3rSXVO6ldc

:bowdown:

No dribbles necessary. How many of these does Jordan have?

Almost had another one too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGVVqGpydFc

GOAT

[KirbyPls]

If that's considered an isolation game winning 3 then so is this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3rSXVO6ldc

:bowdown:

No dribbles necessary. How many of these does Jordan have?

Almost had another one too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGVVqGpydFc

GOAT

Keng Hungus! #Kang! :eek: :applause:

[3ball]

That wasnt an isolation, just a standard 1 dribble pull-up, any bench warmer in the NBA could do that with their eyes closed.


It was an isolation - you can isolate much quicker when you haven't started dribbling yet, where you can make a move from the TT (triple-threat position, which is the pre-dribble, stationary position)





The fact of the matter is that Jordan just did not have the dribbling skills to pull off advanced isolation 3-pointers


here's buzzer-beating three-pointers and off-the-dribble 3-pointers start at the 3:01 mark:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJzbrBUFB4Y&t=2m14s

[3ball]

No dribbles necessary. How many of these does Jordan have?


:rolleyes: ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJzbrBUFB4Y&t=4m04s

[3ball]

.
here's buzzer-beating three-pointers and off-the-dribble 3-pointers start at the 3:01 mark:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJzbrBUFB4Y&t=2m14s


Since MJ didn't like 3-pointers and went out of his way to NOT shoot threes, a very high proportion of his threes were end-of-shot-clock and buzzer-beating 3-pointers - look at that video above - most of his 3-pointers are buzzer-beaters - he only took them when he had no other choice - a much higher proportion of his threes were buzzer-beaters than Lebron's.

[Vaniiiia]

:rolleyes: ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJzbrBUFB4Y&t=4m04s
I thought we were talking about the playoffs?

I guess you changed the criteria once someone posted LeBrons game winning iso play, now you're melting down posting compilations of Jordan hitting 3's in the regular season. :roll:

[Cleverness]

doesn't matter.

Wizard's crab dribble
Bulls game 5

Two more than Larry Bird? I can't remember a single playoff game winner that Larry Bird had, isolation or not

[JT123]

3ball getting bullied in his own thread...AGAIN :oldlol:

[sdot_thadon]

How many posts does op have in isolation without mj?

[3ball]

I thought we were talking about the playoffs?

now you're melting down posting compilations of Jordan hitting 3's in the regular season.


Compare MJ and Lebron vs. Duncan/Popovich's Spurs


MJ hits walk-off 3-pointer to send game into overtime in 1998:

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/10-05-2015/rP-QUs.gif


Lebron bricked his try, and needed Ray Allen to hit the walk-off against Spurs:

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/10-05-2015/cTFdXa.gif

[Hey Yo]

Ray's 3 wasn't a walk-off.

Learn what a walk-off is.

[3ball]

I can't remember a single playoff game winner that Larry Bird had, isolation or not


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-Hf-3XvAyk&t=1m23s


It's like, not only did he hit game-winners in the Finals, but look at how he does it - post, then re-post, then AS SOON as he catches the ball, it's the quickest turnaround jumpshot you've ever seen.. Optimal.. Unstoppable.

[sdot_thadon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-Hf-3XvAyk&t=1m23s


It's like, not only did he hit game-winners in the Finals, but look at how he does it - post, then re-post, then AS SOON as he catches the ball, it's the quickest turnaround jumpshot you've ever seen.. Optimal.. Unstoppable.
Wasn't a game winner, it forced ot. :coleman:

[3ball]

Wasn't a game winner, it forced ot. :coleman:


When you employ and optimal style like Bird did, thus allowing your stacked team (like Bird's) to play to full capacity, you blow teams away and have far less opportunities for desperation game-winners.

Bird's teams were never desperate, while Lebron's teams frequently are... This shouldn't be a surprise - Bird's teams passed far better and had far higher assist frequency, so they had more capacity to bludgeon teams with great basketball.

Otoh, Lebron significantly lowers the APG of teammates and his teams have very low assist frequency - these things are a testament to how suboptimally Lebron plays... The only reason he has 2 rings is because those teams had sufficient talent to overcome his suboptimal style.

[Straight_Ballin]

When you employ and optimal style like Bird did, thus allowing your stacked team (like Bird's) to play to full capacity, you blow teams away and have far less opportunities for desperation game-winners.

Bird's teams were never desperate, while Lebron's teams frequently are... This shouldn't be a surprise - Bird's teams passed far better and had far higher assist frequency, so they had more capacity to bludgeon teams with great basketball.

Otoh, Lebron significantly lowers the APG of teammates and his teams have very low assist frequency - these things are a testament to how suboptimally Lebron plays... The only reason he has 2 rings is because those teams had sufficient talent to overcome his suboptimal style.

That and his best friend providing the much needed mental support for him. Jordan however was an optimal player. No movement on the court was ever a wasted movement.