Jordan was so GOAT that the Bulls never won without him!

[Straight_Ballin]

47 Seasons and the Bulls NEVER won a championship unless Jordan was playing. Go figure.

What other player other than Jordan and Pippen has won at least 6 times and can say that their organization never won without him on the squad? Players like Havlicek and Russel have won 8 and 11 rings all on the same squad, as have players like Cousey with 6, but the Celtic organization has won without any of those guys.

Never seemed to be a problem for the Heat organization to win before Bron ever was there.

How many times does Lebron need to be given an opportunity to belong in the same breath as Jordan and Pippen by being able to say "well the only time the Cavs ever won is when I was on the squad" and I'm not even talking 6 rings, I'm talking for him to be able to say it even ONCE! :lol

He's had 2 opportunities so far to accomplish this while with the Cavs and has failed. Hell out of the 4 opportunities with the Heat he has only been successfull half of the time....

Here's to the 2016 Finals where Lebron will yet again fall short of being able to be mentioned in the same breath as Jordan despite being gifted another opportunity by being on a great squad that showcases great players like Irving, Love, and AV.

Saying "this organization has never won a championship without me on it" just once is something to be proud of, let alone SIX TIMES! :cheers:

[AnaheimLakers24]

Lebron is goat cause cavs havent won with or without him

[Straight_Ballin]

Bookmarked for 2016 finals.

[Straight_Ballin]

Lebron is goat cause cavs havent won with or without him

Cavs haven't won with or without Mark Price either.

I guess that makes Mark Price = LeBron!

[The_Pharcyde]

https://cbschicago.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/76027854.jpg




It took some sacrifices to achieve success, thats for sure..

he is a celebrity, but you are still making light of someones father dying.... very weird personality trait to have imo

[Dr Hawk]

https://cbschicago.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/76027854.jpg




It took some sacrifices to achieve success, thats for sure..

Mods

[Straight_Ballin]

he is a celebrity, but you are still making light of someones father dying.... very weird personality trait to have imo

Typical weird traits that are instilled by having your childhood hero be 2nd rate in comparison to other past greats. Such is living a life of 2nd rate existence. :cheers:

[feyki]

Same asPippen .

[DonDadda59]

Lebron is goat cause cavs havent won with or without him

LeBron does not giveth, Lebron taketh away. :bowdown:

Also,

http://www.supersportscenter.com/images/product/medium/2528.jpg

[catch24]

Don't forget about Scottie Pippen.

Prior to drafting him, Jordan's Bulls were 1-9 in the postseason. Still the GOAT doe. :cheers:

[Hey Yo]

LeBron does not giveth, Lebron taketh away. :bowdown:

Also,

http://www.supersportscenter.com/images/product/medium/2528.jpg
Lebron giveth him his ticket to the BHOF.

[DonDadda59]

Lebron giveth him his ticket to the BHOF.

Wade didn't need LeBron Ball to make it to the HOF. :whatever:

Do you find it ironic that Wade without Bron was able to lead the Heat to a championship and won FMVP against the Mavericks but with Bron he lost out on his 4th title and 2nd finals MVP against the Mavericks?

[Straight_Ballin]

Don't forget about Scottie Pippen.

I mentioned Pippen in my original post......

[3ball]

MJ never lost more than 2 games in a row during RS or Playoffs from 1991-1998.

He also never lost to a lower seed in the playoffs or with home court advantage, so he never underachieved.

He never underachieved because even though he was the biggest scorer in history, his optimal style allowed him to get his points without disrupting chemistry - this maximized the team's capacity and allowed the team to always reach it's ceiling.. No wonder they never lost anytime they had a team good enough to make the Finals.

[iTare]

Tim Duncan

[raprap]

MJ never lost more than 2 games in a row during RS or Playoffs from 1991-1998.

He also never lost to a lower seed in the playoffs or with home court advantage, so he never underachieved.

He never underachieved because even though he was the biggest scorer in history, his optimal style allowed him to get his points without disrupting chemistry - this maximized the team's capacity and allowed the team to always reach it's ceiling.. No wonder they never lost anytime they had a team good enough to make the Finals.
Never knew MJ played alone.

[3ball]

Never knew MJ played alone.


He did more than anyone that could be compared to him
.

[Straight_Ballin]

Tim Duncan

Only 1 ring shy of MJ and Pippen to be part of that club. Like I always said, Jordan>Duncan>Kobe>Bron

[Hey Yo]

He did more than anyone that could be compared to him
.
Jordan led his team in MP, points, rebounds and assist for 4 straight Finals and postseasons?

Jordan led his team to 4 straight Finals?

Did he lead any of his Finals appearances (combining both teams) in pts, assists and rebounds like James did this year?

[DonDadda59]

Jordan led his team in MP, points, rebounds and assist for 4 straight Finals and postseasons?

Jordan led his team to 4 straight Finals?

Did he lead any of his Finals appearances (combining both teams) in pts, assists and rebounds like James did this year?

You don't find it strange that LeBron led teams can sleepwalk through the East to the Finals only to be c*ckslapped by the first team they see from the West? You think this is a coincidence?

[GIF REACTION]

You don't find it strange that LeBron led teams can sleepwalk through the East to the Finals only to be c*ckslapped by the first team they see from the West? You think this is a coincidence?
2011 was by no means a sleepwalk

2012 they got pushed to 6 and 7 games

2013 they got pushed to 7 games

2014 they got pushed to 6 games

2015 they got pushed to 6 games

By no means cake walks

[Straight_Ballin]

Why didn't Jordan allow himself to be made to look like a bitch and shoot just 29% while being covered by a role player like James did in 2014 and 2015? Why is is so painfully obvious that one player (mj) is the clear cut superior player than the other (bran).

Why is it so fun to know that the player of my era will be at the top of the all time GOAT list by a majority of fans for many many many years to come long after Bron retires?

Wiggins, AD, anyone? Can anyone dethrone the GOAT?!?

[Straight_Ballin]

You don't find it strange that LeBron led teams can sleepwalk through the East to the Finals only to be c*ckslapped by the first team they see from the West? You think this is a coincidence?

If bron played in the west he would have maybe 1 finals appearance at this point in his career, if that. I say one because he's such a collider that you almost have to grant him that one.

[DonDadda59]

2011 was by no means a sleepwalk

2012 they got pushed to 6 and 7 games

2013 they got pushed to 7 games

2014 they got pushed to 6 games

2015 they got pushed to 6 games

By no means cake walks

Put Bron's teams from 2011-2015 in the West. How many times do they make the finals?


If bron played in the west he would have maybe 1 finals appearance at this point in his career, if that. I say one because he's such a collider that you almost have to grant him that one.

Yup, without a miracle shot from Jesus himself Bron would be 1-5 against West teams in a playoff series (not that 2-4 is all that much better). He would be 0-3 against Old Man Duncan and the Spurs alone (as opposed to 1-2).

Playing on handpicked super teams in the worst conference ever certainly has its perks.

[GIF REACTION]

Put Bron's teams from 2011-2015 in the West. How many times do they make the finals?
every time

He plays better against West teams

[DonDadda59]

every time

He plays better against West teams

:roll: :roll: :roll:

You should give up this internet trolling shit and start doing stand up.

[ProfessorMurder]

The Wolves never made the playoffs without KG being there.

[guy]

Jordan led his team in MP, points, rebounds and assist for 4 straight Finals and postseasons?

Jordan led his team to 4 straight Finals?

Did he lead any of his Finals appearances (combining both teams) in pts, assists and rebounds like James did this year?

Such an arbitrary point. In the first three-peat, if he wasn't first in assists, he was never that far off, was never that far off from Grant in rebounds, and the advantage he had in points over anyone else on the Bulls was greater then any difference in anything that Lebron had over his Heat teammates. The implication here is so stupid.

And Jordan led his team to 3 straight championships. Is leading your team to 4 straight Finals but losing 2 of those times supposed to be more impressive then 3-peating? :oldlol:

[Megabox!]

Put Bron's teams from 2011-2015 in the West. How many times do they make the finals?



Yup, without a miracle shot from Jesus himself Bron would be 1-5 against West teams in a playoff series (not that 2-4 is all that much better). He would be 0-3 against Old Man Duncan and the Spurs alone (as opposed to 1-2).

Playing on handpicked super teams in the worst conference ever certainly has its perks.
:facepalm that's not how it always works. If they lose in 2013 whose to say they don't comeback in 2014 and win it all? You can't change a past event or scenario and then have the future be totally unfazed by it

[Hey Yo]

Such an arbitrary point. In the first three-peat, if he wasn't first in assists, he was never that far off, was never that far off from Grant in rebounds, and the advantage he had in points over anyone else on the Bulls was greater then any difference in anything that Lebron had over his Heat teammates. The implication here is so stupid.
Citing MJ's points doesn't make up for having to carry the entire load for B2B titles.


And Jordan led his team to 3 straight championships. Is leading your team to 4 straight Finals but losing 2 of those times supposed to be more impressive then 3-peating? :oldlol:
Is quitting the league in your prime and in the middle on your contract more impressive than trying to get your team to a 4th straight title appearance?

[Hey Yo]

Put Bron's teams from 2011-2015 in the West. How many times do they make the finals?



Yup, without a miracle shot from Jesus himself Bron would be 1-5 against West teams in a playoff series (not that 2-4 is all that much better). He would be 0-3 against Old Man Duncan and the Spurs alone (as opposed to 1-2).

Playing on handpicked super teams in the worst conference ever certainly has its perks.
A corner 3 is the easiest 3pt shot there is.

LOL @ miracle.

How many points did Jesus score in game 7??

[Straight_Ballin]

Citing MJ's points doesn't make up for having to carry the entire load for B2B titles.


Is quitting the league in your prime and in the middle on your contract more impressive than trying to get your team to a 4th straight title appearance?

It's more impressive than making a specticle out of yourself on national TV with the "decision" and colluding only to get your ass handed to you by the Mavs. :lol

[Straight_Ballin]

A corner 3 is the easiest 3pt shot there is.

LOL @ miracle.

How many points did Jesus score in game 7??

Do you want to review the mechanics of that shot and the entire play in depth, because by you stating that it wasn't a miracle I have to doubt your bball IQ....

[Hey Yo]

It's more impressive than making a specticle out of yourself on national TV with the "decision" and colluding only to get your ass handed to you by the Mavs. :lol
This is how you make a spectacle/embarrass yourself on TV.


http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--1kmyPiN7--/18j58638lzswkjpg.jpg

[Asukal]

OP showing beta qualities with insecure threads. :facepalm

Step up your game son. MJ had no beta qualities. :no:

[Straight_Ballin]

OP showing beta qualities with insecure threads. :facepalm

Step up your game son. MJ had no beta qualities. :no::lol

Lol no arguement to my alpha posts so now it's "insecurity" and "'meltdown".

:lol

Next?

[G0ATbe]

Bulls also never even reached the finals without Pippen, let alone won.:applause:

Jordan on the other hand....1-9:lol .

[Straight_Ballin]

Bulls also never even reached the finals without Pippen, let alone won.:applause:

Jordan on the other hand....1-9:lol .

That was my point in the initial post. Do you read bro?

I said Bulls never won without Jordan and Pippen.
Jordan was GOAT and made Pippen the GOAT sidekick while Wade's sidekick Bron could only muster up 2/4 and prevent Wade from getting rings more rings.

Pippen never let down Jordan in the finals.
Bron let down Wade in the finals twice and will always have one ring less than Wade. And then he left Wade like a beta bitch. Jordan made sure Pippen always won when they had a team good enough to be in the finals.

[Hey Yo]

Do you want to review the mechanics of that shot and the entire play in depth, because by you stating that it wasn't a miracle I have to doubt your bball IQ....
says the guy who thought MJ played 4yrs at NC

[Asukal]

:lol

Lol no arguement to my alpha posts so now it's "insecurity" and "'meltdown".

:lol

Next?

Are you serious? :facepalm

Does MJ really need defending that you have to post a couple of insecure threads? :confusedshrug:

You are acting just like all these idiotic leflop stans. :whatever:

[dubeta]

Jordan ended up 1-9 just STOP with the GOAT talk :lol


You're just hurting yourself in be end, 1-9 is 1-9, next.

[Straight_Ballin]

Are you serious? :facepalm

Does MJ really need defending that you have to post a couple of insecure threads? :confusedshrug:

You are acting just like all these idiotic leflop stans. :whatever:

What do you mean "all" these leflop stans? It's 2 guys on 10 different accounts.

[Rocketswin2013]

Do you want to review the mechanics of that shot and the entire play in depth, because by you stating that it wasn't a miracle I have to doubt your bball IQ....
The fact that he got that shot opportunity was a very fortunate circumstance. But in no way was it a miracle shot. There were probably a dozen tougher made FG in that game alone.

Bosh's activity on the glass was the lucky fluke part about it.

[Hey Yo]

The fact that he got that shot opportunity was a very fortunate circumstance. But in no way was it a miracle shot. There were probably a dozen tougher made FG in that game alone.

Bosh's activity on the glass was the lucky fluke part about it.
Don't expect a reply.....he's makes no attempt to refute after getting sizzled.

[dhsilv]

Bulls have the 3rd most titles and clearly all were MJ and Pippen. Spurs are third with 5 all Duncan.

Honestly if we're just going with absurd metric, Duncan not having a second player on all his title teams imo gives him a minor edge though, this is a stupid argument to make.

[Straight_Ballin]

The fact that he got that shot opportunity was a very fortunate circumstance. But in no way was it a miracle shot. There were probably a dozen tougher made FG in that game alone.

Bosh's activity on the glass was the lucky fluke part about it.

Have you ever taken that shot under that pressure with that much time left on the clock from that corner? It was so impressive that ESPN broke down the mechanics and difficulty of it. Bottom line is that that shot saved bron's career.

[GrapeApe]

Lebron giveth him his ticket to the BHOF.

For some reason you keep saying this, and continuing to repeat it doesn't make it less stupid. Wade was a first ballot HOFer in 2010. He was being called a future HOFer as early as 2006. Seriously, stop posting that nonsense.

[SouBeachTalents]

For some reason you keep saying this, and continuing to repeat it doesn't make it less stupid. Wade was a first ballot HOFer in 2010. He was being called a future HOFer as early as 2006. Seriously, stop posting that nonsense.

He's also the dumbass who blames Wade for LeBron's horrendous performance in the 2011 Finals

As for this bullshit claim, these were HOF probabilities from the summer of 2010

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=188084

[dubeta]

He's also the dumbass who blames Wade for LeBron's horrendous performance in the 2011 Finals




Dont see the problem :confusedshrug:


Wade's stats in 2011 were nice, but if you analyzed the games its hard to argue he was more impactful than LeBron

Game 2- did nothing to stop the run in the 4th quarter

Game 4 - failed horribly in the clutch, missed FT's and messed up the late inbound pass

Game 5- Leaves the game during a crucial stretch in the 4th, doesnt come back in the game, plays only 33 minutes IIRC

Game 6- Scores only 17 points, Even LeBron scored 21, so LeBron outplayed him here. Poor way for Wade to closeout the series


Overall its close, could go either way.

[SouBeachTalents]

Dont see the problem :confusedshrug:


Wade's stats in 2011 were nice, but if you analyzed the games its hard to argue he was more impactful than LeBron

Game 2- did nothing to stop the run in the 4th quarter

Game 4 - failed horribly in the clutch, missed FT's and messed up the late inbound pass

Game 5- Leaves the game during a crucial stretch in the 4th, doesnt come back in the game, plays only 33 minutes IIRC

Game 6- Scores only 17 points, Even LeBron scored 21, so LeBron outplayed him here. Poor way for Wade to closeout the series


Overall its close, could go either way.

What did LeBron did in those two games in the clutch?

[dubeta]

What did LeBron did in those two games in the clutch?


Played the PG role and initiated the offense. He had 8-9 assists in Game 4 IIRC


So he ran the offense ala Pippen, Kidd, and Wade was supposed to close

:confusedshrug:

[SouBeachTalents]

Played the PG role and initiated the offense. He had 8-9 assists in Game 4 IIRC


So he ran the offense ala Pippen, Kidd, and Wade was supposed to close

:confusedshrug:

LeBron in the 4th quarter

Game 2: 2 points, 1 assist, 1 turnover, 0/4 from the field

Game 4: 0 points, 1 assist, 1 turnover, 0/1 from the field

He did this, in his absolute prime, in games decided by 2 & 3 points in the Finals. WITH a teammate scoring 30+ both games in Wade to boot

[Straight_Ballin]

LeBron in the 4th quarter

Game 2: 2 points, 1 assist, 1 turnover, 0/4 from the field

Game 4: 0 points, 1 assist, 1 turnover, 0/1 from the field

He did this, in his absolute prime, in games decided by 2 & 3 points in the Finals. WITH a teammate scoring 30+ both games in Wade to boot

Is this what is considered to be a GOAT Lebum performance by current era standards? A 4th qtr meltdown?

What a joke.

[guy]

Citing MJ's points doesn't make up for having to carry the entire load for B2B titles.


Is quitting the league in your prime and in the middle on your contract more impressive than trying to get your team to a 4th straight title appearance?

Huh? Lebron didn't carry the entire load. Just cause he led his teams in those categories doesn't mean he did. Lebron averaged 10 ppg/1.1 rpg/1.8 apg more then the second leading guy in the 2013 playoffs. Jordan averaged 15 ppg/0.4 apg more then the second leading guy in the 1993 playoffs and a whopping 1.5 less rpg then the leading rebounder. But one carried an entire load and the other didn't? Okay clown. :oldlol:

Jordan quit in his prime and still had more titles then Lebron at that time. He literally could've never came back and he still would have more then Lebron. He would have more championships in half the Finals appearances that Lebron has made now. :oldlol:

Since when is making the finals and losing something to be celebrated?

[Straight_Ballin]

Huh? Lebron didn't carry the entire load. Just cause he led his teams in those categories doesn't mean he did. Lebron averaged 10 ppg/1.1 rpg/1.8 apg more then the second leading guy in the 2013 playoffs. Jordan averaged 15 ppg/0.4 apg more then the second leading guy in the 1993 playoffs and a whopping 1.5 less rpg then the leading rebounder. But one carried an entire load and the other didn't? Okay clown. :oldlol:

Jordan quit in his prime and still had more titles then Lebron at that time. He literally could've never came back and he still would have more then Lebron. He would have more championships in half the Finals appearances that Lebron has made now. :oldlol:

Since when is making the finals and losing something to be celebrated?

Splashing that ether around and burning the bran fam house down. Damn!

[knicksman]

bran>>>>jordan

6/2>>>>>6/6

[riseagainst]

Huh? Lebron didn't carry the entire load. Just cause he led his teams in those categories doesn't mean he did. Lebron averaged 10 ppg/1.1 rpg/1.8 apg more then the second leading guy in the 2013 playoffs. Jordan averaged 15 ppg/0.4 apg more then the second leading guy in the 1993 playoffs and a whopping 1.5 less rpg then the leading rebounder. But one carried an entire load and the other didn't? Okay clown. :oldlol:

Jordan quit in his prime and still had more titles then Lebron at that time. He literally could've never came back and he still would have more then Lebron. He would have more championships in half the Finals appearances that Lebron has made now. :oldlol:

Since when is making the finals and losing something to be celebrated?


holy sh1t..... the ether.... is strong

[aj1987]

Holy shit!

MJ is the GOAT. It's basically a universal FACT. What's with the insecurity among MJ stans?

[G0ATbe]

Holy shit!

MJ is the GOAT. It's basically a universal FACT. What's with the insecurity among MJ stans?
Because deep down they know he's not, as they should.

[Beastmode88]

LeBron in the 4th quarter

Game 2: 2 points, 1 assist, 1 turnover, 0/4 from the field

Game 4: 0 points, 1 assist, 1 turnover, 0/1 from the field

He did this, in his absolute prime, in games decided by 2 & 3 points in the Finals. WITH a teammate scoring 30+ both games in Wade to boot

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[riseagainst]

LeBron in the 4th quarter

Game 2: 2 points, 1 assist, 1 turnover, 0/4 from the field

Game 4: 0 points, 1 assist, 1 turnover, 0/1 from the field

He did this, in his absolute prime, in games decided by 2 & 3 points in the Finals. WITH a teammate scoring 30+ both games in Wade to boot


another ether for dubeta.

:(