so the Oregon shooter had Asperger's

[~primetime~]

link (http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/06/us/oregon-umpqua-shooting-mother-online-posts/index.html)

So did Adam Lanza, the Sandy Hook shooter



If your child has a mental disorder you should not be allowed to have guns in the house. That should be the first step taken here in regulating this situation. No guns allowed in the homes of the mentally ill.

[DonDadda59]

link (http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/06/us/oregon-umpqua-shooting-mother-online-posts/index.html)

So did Adam Lanza, the Sandy Hook shooter



If your child has a mental disorder you should not be allowed to have guns in the house. That should be the first step taken here in regulating this situation. No guns allowed in the homes of the mentally ill.

You used the R word. :mad:

http://orig06.deviantart.net/8873/f/2012/104/6/9/don__t_tread_on_me_by_vekticolor-d4w6gro.png

Plus guns don't kill people. We should be focused on getting rid of Asperger's.

[~primetime~]

guns need more regulation...

we have all these regulations for who is allowed to drive a car...but very few for who is allowed to own a gun

mentally ill peeps shouldn't have access to guns...

[DonDadda59]

guns need more regulation...

we have all these regulations for who is allowed to drive a car...but very few for who is allowed to own a gun

mentally ill peeps shouldn't have access to guns...

Take that commie socialist bullshit somewhere else you Muslim bastard.

America...

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/07/07fc212952074cbc202deb205beb277ef83c6c92f88e94dba5 bc9aa8898936b0.jpg

[ROCSteady]

pt is a sorry excuse for a Texan.


Go outside and shoot an armadillo to repent thy sins against thy state

[DonDadda59]

pt is a sorry excuse for a Texan.


Go outside and shoot an armadillo to repent thy sins against thy state

Davy Crockett turning over in his grave right now. :facepalm

[UK2K]

And let me guess, he was medicated to high heaven.

But let's blame the gun.

[~primetime~]

All you have to do to drive a car is be 16 and pass a really easy test.
http://aattp.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/IfGunsWereAsRegulatedAsCars.jpg

[Nick Young]

People with mental disorders should be diagnosed and regulated and not be allowed to purchase weapons.

[~primetime~]

yeah, I am 'pro-gun'...I am a gun owner...I am all for gun ownership in the US



but mentally ill teens shouldn't have access to them...simple as that

[DonDadda59]

yeah, I am 'pro-gun'...I am a gun owner...I am all for gun ownership in the US



but mentally ill teens shouldn't have access to them...simple as that

Why do you hate America? :biggums:

[RidonKs]

the screen can't be diagnosis of a mental disorder when diagnoses of mental disorders have been rising for some time now and will likely continue in that trend. its around 25% including undiagnosed cases. that number could well double in the next several decades.

[DeuceWallaces]

Our Vet has aspergers.

[9erempiree]

Time to ban Asperger's no?

[Nanners]

if people with aspergers couldnt own guns that would disarm about 95% of this forum

[~primetime~]

the screen can't be diagnosis of a mental disorder when diagnoses of mental disorders have been rising for some time now and will likely continue in that trend. its around 25% including undiagnosed cases. that number could well double in the next several decades.
If 90% of the population is mentally ill...then 90% of the population shouldn't have a gun

This should be common sense IMO

[RidonKs]

If 90% of the population is mentally ill...then 90% of the population shouldn't have a gun

This should be common sense IMO
i don't think this is a very good litmus test dude

legislation won't be sweeping, too much political capital would have to be spent. but it can have several different mechanisms. and this isn't the one imo, though not because its a bad idea. just doesn't seem like the best idea.

just using that chart posted above comparing guns to vehicles, i can come up with several ways that the really dangerous mental disorders could be weeded out via some other test...

the question i'd put to you, not that i know one way or the other, is this: are there any mental disorders out there that shouldn't disqualify somebody owning a gun? i doubt this could be as cut and dry as you suggest.

http://thumb9.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/189955/153468116/stock-photo-mental-disorders-and-psychological-concerns-153468116.jpg

any of those?

you're blanketing a category called "mental disorders" without appreciating the depth and range therein

[~primetime~]

You're right Donks...perhaps some disorders could be exempt...with multiple school shooters being linked to aspergers though clearly that isn't one of them.

Many of these are on a spectrum...like biploar disorder, someone could have very mild bipolar disorder.

I would say everyone that has been linked to a mental disorder have a "risk number" of some sort attached to their illness, and if the number is low enough then okay. But then (just like a car) you would have to have an 'inspection' each year. Guns are serious enough to warrant lots of effort like this.

[HitandRun Reggie]

http://aattp.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/IfGunsWereAsRegulatedAsCars.jpg

Neglected to mention one is a right, the other is a privilege.

Hell voting is a right, and we can't even ask a person for ID

[UK2K]

You're right Donks...perhaps some disorders could be exempt...with multiple school shooters being linked to aspergers though clearly that isn't one of them.

Many of these are on a spectrum...like biploar disorder, someone could have very mild bipolar disorder.

I would say everyone that has been linked to a mental disorder have a "risk number" of some sort attached to their illness, and if the number is low enough then okay. But then (just like a car) you would have to have an 'inspection' each year. Guns are serious enough to warrant lots of effort like this.

I dont think its the illness as much as it is the medication.

Look at many of the mass shooters in the past. Most were highly, highly medicated, making them (according to the makers of the pills) prone to violence and depression.

Stop handing out medications for 'illnesses' and start beating some ass when your kids are younger.

[UK2K]

Neglected to mention one is a right, the other is a privilege.

And one causes 30,000 deaths per year.

(hint: its not the gun)

Ahh.... now it makes sense why they are treated differently. :rolleyes:

[Millslapped]

aspergers isn't some major thing asshat
it's not that bad

[RidonKs]

yeah a coded system like that would make sense.

but you're underestimating the number of undiagnosed cases out there.

i take a definition of mental illness that it must affect the functioning of your regular life... or just a regular life. that allows for a pretty broad sweep which i guess is why the dsm is so enormous.

the bottom line is that no matter how big and fat the dsm gets, it will invariably fail to cover that segment of the population who manage to carry on a normal life as if everything is okay even as they slowly go insane. i imagine that description would carry for at least a few of these mass shooters america has had.

and the point is that the mental health system will usually fail to incorporate that sort of person... nor will they seek it out themselves.

[DeuceWallaces]

And one causes 30,000 deaths per year.

(hint: its not the gun)

Ahh.... now it makes sense why they are treated differently. :rolleyes:

Lol, gun deaths are about 32K a year in the US. :lol

[~primetime~]

And one causes 30,000 deaths per year.

(hint: its not the gun)

Ahh.... now it makes sense why they are treated differently. :rolleyes:
it is the gun and the car...guns killed 33k in 2013

plus, one is literally designed to kill people...why is it not as regulated as a car?

[~primetime~]

yeah a coded system like that would make sense.

but you're underestimating the number of undiagnosed cases out there.

i take a definition of mental illness that it must affect the functioning of your regular life... or just a regular life. that allows for a pretty broad sweep which i guess is why the dsm is so enormous.

the bottom line is that no matter how big and fat the dsm gets, it will invariably fail to cover that segment of the population who manage to carry on a normal life as if everything is okay even as they slowly go insane. i imagine that description would carry for at least a few of these mass shooters america has had.

and the point is that the mental health system will usually fail to incorporate that sort of person... nor will they seek it out themselves.
Yearly inspections should be put in place (like a car)

I'm sure there is no system that is 100% full proof...but if we could just keep 50% of mentally ill from having access to a gun that would be a good start.

[HitandRun Reggie]

Lol, gun deaths are about 32K a year in the US. :lol


And 60% of those are suicides, like those crazies wouldn't find another way to off themselves...

[UK2K]

Lol, gun deaths are about 32K a year in the US. :lol

Are we counting suicides too?

Well, it makes your agenda more legitimate, so why not? :lol

The ACTUAL deaths by guns is about 12k per year... and 20,000+ suicides.

[~primetime~]

Are we counting suicides too?

Well, it makes your agenda more legitimate, so why not? :lol

The ACTUAL deaths by guns is about 12k per year... and 20,000+ suicides.
12k is a lot

what you're doing right now is arguing that we don't to try and keep mentally ill from having a gun because 12k < 30k

[Patrick Chewing]

#NotAllPeopleWithAspergers

[RidonKs]

Yearly inspections should be put in place (like a car)

I'm sure there is no system that is 100% full proof...but if we could just keep 50% of mentally ill from having access to a gun that would be a good start.
there is a system that's 100% full proof

stop being so ****ing obsessed with guns

[RidonKs]

#NotAllPeopleWithAspergers
not even very many people with aspergers

like maybe a few

pick and choose and you might get to 10%

[~primetime~]

do you have aspergers Donks?

[UK2K]

12k is a lot

what you're doing right now is arguing that we don't to try and keep mentally ill from having a gun because 12k < 30k

No, I am all for keeping guns out of the hands of the mentally ill. However, where as you see 12k people being killed a year, I see .00003% of the population being killed by guns per year.

Also, the vast majority of those are black gangbangers shooting other black gangbangers, which skews the data by a significant amount.

[~primetime~]

No, I am all for keeping guns out of the hands of the mentally ill. However, where as you see 12k people being killed a year, I see .00003% of the population being killed by guns per year.

Also, the vast majority of those are black gangbangers shooting other black gangbangers, which skews the data by a significant amount.
could make similar arguments with car deaths...30k a year is only .00006%...numbers skewed by car loads of drunk morons, etc

To me the bottom line is that we have actual 'killing machines' at the disposal of people who shouldn't be trusted with them.

I feel like cars should be more regulated anyway...there are some retarded mfers driving around out there that shouldn't be.

[RidonKs]

do you have aspergers Donks?
i'm pretty sure i'm on the spectrum but it isn't noticeable or debilitating in any way

well i should say it has been in the past but isn't at present

if its there its never been diagnosed and must be very mild

but you can only imagine a few select types of people who are not bothered by many of the symptoms of autism

[UK2K]

could make similar arguments with car deaths...30k a year is only .00006%...numbers skewed by car loads of drunk morons, etc

To me the bottom line is that we have actual 'killing machines' at the disposal of people who shouldn't be trusted with them.

I feel like cars should be more regulated anyway...there are some retarded mfers driving around out there that shouldn't be.


Exactly, which is why you'll never hear me bitch about drunk driving. It happens, and drunks kill people, but in the grand scheme of things, its very, very rare.

Like mass shootings. Tragic yes, but EXTREMELY rare. You wouldn't think so, given the media coverage though.

[~primetime~]

i'm pretty sure i'm on the spectrum but it isn't noticeable or debilitating in any way

well i should say it has been in the past but isn't at present
Didn't mean to offend you but surly you can understand why someone might be concerned when the last two mass shooters involved aspergers kids.

[~primetime~]

Exactly, which is why you'll never hear me bitch about drunk driving. It happens, and drunks kill people, but in the grand scheme of things, its very, very rare.

Like mass shootings. Tragic yes, but EXTREMELY rare. You wouldn't think so, given the media coverage though.
It might be rare over one year...but not that rare over a life time

I know several people that have died by car wrecks as well as bullets

[RidonKs]

Didn't mean to offend you but surly you can understand why someone might be concerned when the last two mass shooters involved aspergers kids.
well... i don't really see it that way so i can't say i do understand

not that i'm offended by your question

but what your adovcating is classic tunnel vision and stereotyping and its just false

[UK2K]

It might be rare over one year...but not that rare over a life time

I know several people that have died by car wrecks as well as bullets

And I dont know a single one who has been killed by a gun, and everyone I know (not literally, but the vast majority of friends and family) own one, and the vast majority of those owning multiple, including myself.

You are an anomaly.

[~primetime~]

well... i don't really see it that way so i can't say i do understand

not that i'm offended by your question

but what your adovcating is classic tunnel vision and stereotyping and its just false

I'm stereotyping those that have been diagnosed with a mental illness as unworthy to own guns...yes

It shouldn't be seen as a radical concept imo...or asking a lot...there are plenty out there that believe no one here should have access to a gun.

[UK2K]

I'm stereotyping those that have been diagnosed with a mental illness as unworthy to own guns...yes

It shouldn't be seen as a radical concept imo...or asking a lot...there are plenty out there that believe no one here should have access to a gun.

To be fair, I do agree if you should not be allowed to own a firearm if you are currently prescribed certain medications.

[~primetime~]

And I dont know a single one who has been killed by a gun, and everyone I know (not literally, but the vast majority of friends and family) own one, and the vast majority of those owning multiple, including myself.

You are an anomaly.
I think you are the anomaly...I am betting if we took a poll here, most people here would say they know someone that was killed via gun shot.

[Akrazotile]

Didn't mean to offend you but surly you can understand why someone might be concerned when the last two mass shooters involved aspergers kids.

"Aspergers" is a bullshit 'disease' used to describe kids with too much time on their hands, and too much access to social media mirrors that reinforce their low self worth.

Notice how a hundred years ago when you had to go and work on a farm or in a factory to support yourself as soon as you became an adult, there was no Aspergers? People who have to earn a living don't have time for bullshit Aspergers.

The problem is that after high school, we let kids sit around on computers for hours and hours in suburban homes and go on facebook, watch MTV, pose for bathroom mirror selfies, oh, and maybe they take a few classes each week for an hour at a time. That's not what humans are evolved to do. Most people aren't psychologically stable enough for that shit. Bottom line is this country was built on the back of the labor of many, and the ingenuity of a few. Now that we've built up so much wealth and technological ability, all those masses don't have to work, but they aren't inherently curious, proactive, purposed etc. and its' fukking them up.

"Ban da gunses!" is just another simplified, misguided attempt to avoid the real conversation, about the mentality of the masses. Take the easy band-aid, take the simple rallying point, the convenient indignation. Anything to prevent the awkwardness of discussing the true causes of social ills in our country: The drastic need for improvement in the mentality of everyday people.

[Akrazotile]

I think you are the anomaly...I am betting if we took a poll here, most people here would say they know someone that was killed via gun shot.

I don't.

I've known one person in my life who was killed be either violence/suicide and he hanged himself. Irony is that his dad was a Ukranian immigrant who had been a soldier and was an avid gun enthusiast, and they had plenty of guns in their home. Very good family, too. Dad came here and got a job as a truck driver, saved up his money, invested into buying his own trucks and starting a little independent operation. They were good parents, cared about their son (and two daughters) and they were crushed when he killed himself. But he was another victim of kids these days with too much time, and too little purpose. THe mind often goes screwy for kids in those situations. Too much time to sit and reflect on all your insecurities.

Part of me feels like we should have some sort of compulsory military service/training for the majority of high school graduates in this country. Not to go fight overseas, we could still recruit for that in the traditional way, but have kids here learn defense, discipline, time management, etc. Not to mention, we wouldn't be susceptible to being sent on bullshit wars, because as a country we can say the populous is fully equipped to defend itself if the problem should ever get to the point of reaching US soil.

I feel like Israel does so much shit right. Mandated military service, they don't get pushed around by immigrants, they have like 12 different political parties, people are always active and engaged in what's going on.

But... Different culture I guess.

[UK2K]

I think you are the anomaly...I am betting if we took a poll here, most people here would say they know someone that was killed via gun shot.
You really think so? Interesting.

I don't know statistics on that, or where to find them, but it'd be interesting to see.

Like I said, if you want to slant the statistics to include suicides, than maybe, but speaking strictly homicides/accidents, I don't think you're correct. Although, I could be wrong.

[~primetime~]

Since when do you need driver training?
I never had driver training.
Since when do you need a health inspection?
Where do you live????
you didn't have to take driver's ed?...eye sight exams? etc?

[UK2K]

I don't.

I've known one person in my life who was killed be either violence/suicide and he hanged himself. Irony is that his dad was a Ukranian immigrant who had been a soldier and was an avid gun enthusiast, and they had plenty of guns in their home. Very good family, too. Dad came here and got a job as a truck driver, saved up his money, invested into buying his own trucks and starting a little independent operation. They were good parents, cared about their son (and two daughters) and they were crushed when he killed himself. But he was another victim of kids these days with too much time, and too little purpose. THe mind often goes screwy for kids in those situations. Too much time to sit and reflect on all your insecurities.

Same here, I know three people (one close, the other two I knew through a friend of a friend) and all three hanged themselves.

Ropes need to be banned. That'll stop them from killing themselves.

[~primetime~]

During the 3 years I was in high school, three different students were shot and killed...all 3 murder, none suicide

[Akrazotile]

Same here, I know three people (one close, the other two I knew through a friend of a friend) and all three hanged themselves.

Ropes need to be banned. That'll stop them from killing themselves.


The statistics have spoken. Ropes must go!

Incidentally, I believe the young man in the case I referenced used his bed sheets.

Away with bed sheets, too :(

[UK2K]

More people are killed in one month from malpractice than 15 years of American non gang related gun violence.

Another great point.

Again, if you don't own a gun, there is a 99.9% chance you will never seen one in your lifetime, unless its on TV.

[~primetime~]

No drivers ed. They have a little 30 second eye exam, if that counts as medical inspecition....
So you just applied for a licence and got one without ever having driven a car?

You never had to get a 'learner's permit' that allows you to learn to drive?

[~primetime~]

Another great point.

Again, if you don't own a gun, there is a 99.9% chance you will never seen one in your lifetime, unless its on TV.
???

I've seen dozens, even hundreds of guns that are not my own?

[UK2K]

Nothing is ever a lot to UK2K. :lol

Haha I mean honestly, 12k is a lot. Put 300,000 marbles in a bucket, paint 12 of them black, and then start drawing them out and let me know how long it takes to find one of the 12.

[UK2K]

I probably the biggest p*ssy here on ISH, and I've shot a gun a couple of times before. Not my own obvious, never been an owner. Been to at least 5 homes that had dozens of guns and rifles.

It's so easy to get a gun illegal.

Not sure why UK2K said that a non-gun owner would never see a gun ever.

In daily life. Obviously if you go to a gun show (or someones house who you know owns guns), you'll see them. Obviously.

But in daily life, walking around, you won't see them unless they are on a cops belt. When was the last time you saw a gun, not on a cops belt, and not in someones house. I mean legitimately being carried by someone in public? Can you recall a time? I can. One time in the two years since I've lived here, where one guy, who may or may not been an off duty cop, had a gun in a holster. Once.

[Akrazotile]

???

I've seen dozens, even hundreds of guns that are not my own?

But he said if you DONT own a gun, you'll probably never see one.

You do own a gun, so obviously you are involved with that hobby/culture. So of course you're likely to see other guns that dont belong to you.

People who choose to forego gun ownership and not affiliate with them culturally are very, very unlikely to ever be involved in gun tragedies.

[NumberSix]

Didn't mean to offend you but surly you can understand why someone might be concerned when the last two mass shooters involved aspergers kids.
What about blacks? They are by far the group that commits the most gun murders. Certainly more than people with aspergers.

This is stupid reasoning. Every individual is their own person. Just because people with similar characteristics done something evil doesn't make it logical to take rights away from all people with the same characteristic that May or may not have anything to do with the acts committed by others.

[~primetime~]

What about blacks? They are by far the group that commits the most gun murders. Certainly more than people with aspergers.

This is stupid reasoning. Every individual is their own person. Just because people with similar characteristics done something evil doesn't make it logical to take rights away from all people with the same characteristic that May or may not have anything to do with the acts committed by others.
listen to yourself, you're saying it is stupid reasoning to say people with a mental illness shouldn't have a gun...and comparing it to 'blacks'

It should be common fcking sense that mentally ill people should not have firearms...this shouldn't be something that is highly debatable.

[NumberSix]

listen to yourself, you're saying it is stupid reasoning to say people with a mental illness shouldn't have a gun...and comparing it to 'blacks'

It should be common fcking sense that mentally ill people should not have firearms...this shouldn't be something that is highly debatable.
Ok, so how do you suggest getting such a law passed? You're aware that it would require a constitutional amendment, right?

[Akrazotile]

listen to yourself, you're saying it is stupid reasoning to say people with a mental illness shouldn't have a gun...and comparing it to 'blacks'

It should be common fcking sense that mentally ill people should not have firearms...this shouldn't be something that is highly debatable.


But pt I dont think the guns in either case belonged to the shooters - they belonged to the parents.

And the shooters were adults in both cases as well, not 15 yr olds.

Any kind of attempt at enforcing some kind of law with this stuff will be a massive failure. There are too many people and too much grey area to monitor IMO.

[~primetime~]

But pt I dont think the guns in either case belonged to the shooters - they belonged to the parents.

And the shooters were adults in both cases as well, not 15 yr olds.

Any kind of attempt at enforcing some kind of law with this stuff will be a massive failure. There are too many people and too much grey area to monitor IMO.
Yes well I started by saying parents of teens who are mentally ill shouldn't be allowed firearms either. Then it just turned into mentally ill shouldn't have guns which you would think would be a no-brainer but somehow isn't.

If we can force car inspections every single year then why can't we force 'gun owner inspections'?...we go through the trouble of making sure automobiles are fit for roads each and every year, why aren't we willing to do this with guns owners? It wouldn't even be difficult, if you or your dependents have been diagnosed with a mental illness then red flags should come up on a database...'do not sell gun to this person'

[blablabla]

The shit primetime is getting here because of suggesting something so logical is insane. For me as a European allowing civilians to own guns is crazy anyway but different cultures i guess.
Anyway how is enlisting in military service handled in the U.S because here in Austria you have to go through intense physical and mental testing to be deemed ready to serve, people with mental illnesses are usually prohibited from doing so. Now I'm guessing you guys don't just train every fool into a killing machine either, so why allow it outside of the military ?

[GIF REACTION]

Aspergers is nothing to **** with, seriously

Back in school an Aspergers dude cracked my head open with a metal locker padlock... Had to get multiple stitches

The thing is, they are treated like normal people, when they really aren't.

[oarabbus]

Aspergers is nothing to **** with, seriously

Back in school an Aspergers dude cracked my head open with a metal locker padlock... Had to get multiple stitches

The thing is, they are treated like normal people, when they really aren't.

People with severe Aspergers see other humans as objects. I mean literally, they do not see other humans as more than 'normal' people view a chair, or maybe a computer. They also don't have any empathy. Kind of scary and a lot of overlap with sociopathy.

[Jameerthefear]

"Aspergers" is a bullshit 'disease' used to describe kids with too much time on their hands, and too much access to social media mirrors that reinforce their low self worth.

Notice how a hundred years ago when you had to go and work on a farm or in a factory to support yourself as soon as you became an adult, there was no Aspergers? People who have to earn a living don't have time for bullshit Aspergers.

The problem is that after high school, we let kids sit around on computers for hours and hours in suburban homes and go on facebook, watch MTV, pose for bathroom mirror selfies, oh, and maybe they take a few classes each week for an hour at a time. That's not what humans are evolved to do. Most people aren't psychologically stable enough for that shit. Bottom line is this country was built on the back of the labor of many, and the ingenuity of a few. Now that we've built up so much wealth and technological ability, all those masses don't have to work, but they aren't inherently curious, proactive, purposed etc. and its' fukking them up.

"Ban da gunses!" is just another simplified, misguided attempt to avoid the real conversation, about the mentality of the masses. Take the easy band-aid, take the simple rallying point, the convenient indignation. Anything to prevent the awkwardness of discussing the true causes of social ills in our country: The drastic need for improvement in the mentality of everyday people.
i dont think you actually know what aspergers actually is

[Akrazotile]

Yes well I started by saying parents of teens who are mentally ill shouldn't be allowed firearms either. Then it just turned into mentally ill shouldn't have guns which you would think would be a no-brainer but somehow isn't.

If we can force car inspections every single year then why can't we force 'gun owner inspections'?...we go through the trouble of making sure automobiles are fit for roads each and every year, why aren't we willing to do this with guns owners? It wouldn't even be difficult, if you or your dependents have been diagnosed with a mental illness then red flags should come up on a database...'do not sell gun to this person'


Mechanics are a LOT cheaper by the hour than psychologists

[Levity]

i dont think you actually know what aspergers actually is

agreeing with jam jam for once

[Akrazotile]

i dont think you actually know what aspergers actually is


Maybe you're right. Perhaps I don't know specifically what "true" aspergers is, if such a thing exists.

But I do see the common theme among tons of kids who are 'diagnosed' with Aspergers and I feel extremely confident in saying Aspergers is at the very least frequently misdiagnosed, and has become a convenient catch-all excuse for anyone with social/behavioral issues.

Maybe you can give me a brief synopsis of what Aspergers really is and what the suspected causes of it are?

[Akrazotile]

agreeing with jam jam for once


Can you edify me in laymen's terms what the 'disease' implies, generally speaking?

[Akrazotile]

I mean wiki has this:


The diagnosis of Asperger's was eliminated in the 2013 fifth edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5) and replaced by a diagnosis of autism spectrum disorder on a severity scale.[3]

:confusedshrug:

[Levity]

Can you edify me in laymen's terms what the 'disease' implies, generally speaking?

im no expert, just somewhat familiar with it. but a lot of it has to do with the inability to read social cues, on top of many other social issues. They cant (or have trouble with) maintaining eye contact in conversations. They are very set in their routine and any change in it could have obscene, dramatic effects. theres a bunch of other social handicaps (ex: they can be EXTREMELY obsessive, they have trouble emoting feelings) that make them stand out in the public eye, and they have no knowledge of it whatsoever.

people who are correctly diagnosed with aspergers are at least aware of why they do or say the things they do. they just have to attempt to be mindful of it, something that comes naturally to most of us.

reading my wall of text may make it sound like these kids are just awkward, but it honestly goes beyond that. It's certainly not a debilitating condition, but it's something that can get them unfairly labeled in the eyes of many

[NBAplayoffs2001]

They also said scientific studies have shown it's not affiliated with violence. Time will tell what Asperger's had to do with his violent intentions. I saw this development yesterday.

[G-train]

link (http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/06/us/oregon-umpqua-shooting-mother-online-posts/index.html)

So did Adam Lanza, the Sandy Hook shooter



If your child has a mental disorder you should not be allowed to have guns in the house. That should be the first step taken here in regulating this situation. No guns allowed in the homes of the mentally ill.

If anyone in the house has a mental disorder, there should be no guns.
Or anything beyond what is required to cut a tomato in the kitchen.
TBH if you need a law to tell you that, you are a dumbass asking for trouble.

[G-train]

They also said scientific studies have shown it's not affiliated with violence. Time will tell what Asperger's had to do with his violent intentions. I saw this development yesterday.

That's because they didn't have aspergers.
They were mentally twisted up, evil, angry people.

I can tell you for a fact, that if pornography was unable to be viewed in the USA, these shootings and a lot of rape would be eliminated.

Don't believe me? ask Ted Bundy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_zZlJ2ZRss

Still don't believe me? Ask any of these mass shooters how addicted to it they were.

Sure, some of you here view it regularly, and claim no side effects (even though you probably have some anxiety, depression, poor relationships, extreme objectification of women, etc).

But I GUARANTEE you these people are addicted to it.
And yes I expect backlash on this post by you brainwashed yanks that have sex thrown in their face constantly.

OH BUT G-TRAIN, PORN IS WORLD OVER!

Yeah but porn combined with MERICA and your massive problems aint world over.

[lil jahlil]

link (http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/06/us/oregon-umpqua-shooting-mother-online-posts/index.html)

So did Adam Lanza, the Sandy Hook shooter



If your child has a mental disorder you should not be allowed to have guns in the house. That should be the first step taken here in regulating this situation. No guns allowed in the homes of the mentally ill.
Fully agreed.

[Derka]

If they can't buy them legally, they'll buy them illegally.

[Real Men Wear Green]

If they can't buy them legally, they'll buy them illegally.
Some will. But some won't. Our legal system is full of deterrents that don't stop all crime. Theft is illegal. People still get robbed. Does that mean making theft illegal is pointless?

[lil jahlil]

If they can't buy them legally, they'll buy them illegally.

I don't advocate banning guns, but this argument is flawed. Strict gun laws in Australia have led to guns on the black market costing tens of thousands of dollars, meaning low end criminals actually don't get those guns.

[NumberSix]

I don't advocate banning guns, but this argument is flawed. Strict gun laws in Australia have led to guns on the black market costing tens of thousands of dollars, meaning low end criminals actually don't get those guns.
There are more legally owned guns in Australia today than there was before the ban.

[GIF REACTION]

There are more legally owned guns in Australia today than there was before the ban.
Did you account for population increase? Or are you just using raw totals, and not percentage of population, which would be a smarter choice.

And that's not even mentioning that legally owned guns today, require much more scrutiny to acquire.

[RidonKs]

"Aspergers" is a bullshit 'disease' used to describe kids with too much time on their hands, and too much access to social media mirrors that reinforce their low self worth.

Notice how a hundred years ago when you had to go and work on a farm or in a factory to support yourself as soon as you became an adult, there was no Aspergers? People who have to earn a living don't have time for bullshit Aspergers.

The problem is that after high school, we let kids sit around on computers for hours and hours in suburban homes and go on facebook, watch MTV, pose for bathroom mirror selfies, oh, and maybe they take a few classes each week for an hour at a time. That's not what humans are evolved to do. Most people aren't psychologically stable enough for that shit. Bottom line is this country was built on the back of the labor of many, and the ingenuity of a few. Now that we've built up so much wealth and technological ability, all those masses don't have to work, but they aren't inherently curious, proactive, purposed etc. and its' fukking them up.

"Ban da gunses!" is just another simplified, misguided attempt to avoid the real conversation, about the mentality of the masses. Take the easy band-aid, take the simple rallying point, the convenient indignation. Anything to prevent the awkwardness of discussing the true causes of social ills in our country: The drastic need for improvement in the mentality of everyday people.
so much facepalm my head hurts

don't you think its possible that, much like gravity, one couldn't diagnose autism as a symptom of the world prior to the point it was actually discovered?

"like remember when there was no chlamydia? shit was great!!!!"

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[RidonKs]

I mean wiki has this:



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