The Thunder had more assists in their first preseason game than any game last year

[JerrySeinfeld]

Westbrook and Durant are gonna shit all over the league now that they aren't in a gradeschool offense.

[3ball]

Hopefully OKC has figured out that great offenses that win championships can't be exploitable.. They have to be adjustable, which requires great passing and frequent assists..

We've seen from looking at Lebron, that his teams have very low assist frequency and his presence significantly decreases the APG and assist % of his teammates.. With Lebron's production preventing teammates from playing to capacity, the TEAM can't play to capacity and underperforms (2009, 2011, 2014).. Ultimately, Lebron's stats lack integrity because he accumulates them at the expense of teammates.

His stat accumulation is also helped by employing a stat-friendly, easily-solvable, playground style, rather than trying to win.. His stat-friendly style is far less impressive than the superior, nuanced skill required to achieve stats within an equal-opportunity offense that can actually win.
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[stalkerforlife]

Billy Donovan...greatest college coach of all time and soon to be greatest NBA coach of all time.

[tmacattack33]

Hopefully OKC has figured out that great offenses that win championships can't be exploitable.. They have to be adjustable, which requires great passing and frequent assists..

We've seen from looking at Lebron, that his teams have very low assist frequency and his presence significantly decreases the APG and assist % of his teammates.. With Lebron's production preventing teammates from playing to capacity, the TEAM can't play to capacity and underperforms (2009, 2011, 2014).. Ultimately, Lebron's stats lack integrity because he accumulates them at the expense of teammates.

His stat accumulation is also helped by employing a stat-friendly, easily-solvable, playground style, rather than trying to win.. His stat-friendly style is far less impressive than the superior, nuanced skill required to achieve stats within an equal-opportunity offense that can actually win.
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Congrats, you finally posted in a thread not dedicated to Lebron.

Oh, but wait a minute, as I read your post I only got four lines in before I read Lebron's name. :facepalm

[Lebronxrings]

Hopefully OKC has figured out that great offenses that win championships can't be exploitable.. They have to be adjustable, which requires great passing and frequent assists..

We've seen from looking at Lebron, that his teams have very low assist frequency and his presence significantly decreases the APG and assist % of his teammates.. With Lebron's production preventing teammates from playing to capacity, the TEAM can't play to capacity and underperforms (2009, 2011, 2014).. Ultimately, Lebron's stats lack integrity because he accumulates them at the expense of teammates.

His stat accumulation is also helped by employing a stat-friendly, easily-solvable, playground style, rather than trying to win.. His stat-friendly style is far less impressive than the superior, nuanced skill required to achieve stats within an equal-opportunity offense that can actually win.
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idiot lebron is one of the most unselfish players ever.
Averages over 6+ assists and doesn't take many shots. Ball hogs like kobe kill their teams, lebron always passes.

[ImKobe]

loved the ball movement I saw from OKC, a lot of it has to do with Russ expanding his playmaking from last season, IMO. OKC is simply more dangerous when Westbrook is a willing passer because the opposing defenses have to keep it honest or otherwise they get burned and they got the shooters to spread the floor.

Russ damn near had a triple double in 20 something minutes of pre-season basketball.

[ImKobe]

idiot lebron is one of the most unselfish players ever.
Averages over 6+ assists and doesn't take many shots. Ball hogs like kobe kill their teams, lebron always passes.

Yeah..Kobe really killed his team in the 5 championship runs. I guess he should have taken the Lebron route and cared more about his rebounds and assists so he could win more MVPs instead of those worthless championship trophies.

[ShawkFactory]

Billy Donovan...greatest college coach of all time and soon to be greatest NBA coach of all time.
Oh damn.

[DukeDelonte13]

Hopefully OKC has figured out that great offenses that win championships can't be exploitable.. They have to be adjustable, which requires great passing and frequent assists..

We've seen from looking at Lebron, that his teams have very low assist frequency and his presence significantly decreases the APG and assist % of his teammates.. With Lebron's production preventing teammates from playing to capacity, the TEAM can't play to capacity and underperforms (2009, 2011, 2014).. Ultimately, Lebron's stats lack integrity because he accumulates them at the expense of teammates.

His stat accumulation is also helped by employing a stat-friendly, easily-solvable, playground style, rather than trying to win.. His stat-friendly style is far less impressive than the superior, nuanced skill required to achieve stats within an equal-opportunity offense that can actually win.
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i disagree with this.

sometimes the best offense in the game is just giving the ball to someone like a Durant or a Lebron James and just let them work.

Look at the Hawks last playoffs. Their pass happy offense got totally exploited and they struggled because they didn't have go to guys that can manufacture buckets when defenses got dialed in.

It's too simplistic to say "complex offenses are always better". Sometimes caveman ball is better. Good teams can do both.

[StephHamann]

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[BlakFrankWhite]

Go back to your russwest alt..

Thunder family needs you

[3ball]

i disagree with this.

sometimes the best offense in the game is just giving the ball to someone like a Durant or a Lebron James and just let them work.

Look at the Hawks last playoffs. Their pass happy offense got totally exploited and they struggled because they didn't have go to guys that can manufacture buckets when defenses got dialed in.

It's too simplistic to say "complex offenses are always better". Sometimes caveman ball is better. Good teams can do both.
You must not take my assertions seriously - but the stats are real - Lebron significantly LOWERS the APG and assist % of his teammates - this is never optimal for any team:


Wade apg and assist % before Lebron (04'-10'): 6.6 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wadedw01.html#2004-2010-sum:per_game), 34.8% (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wadedw01.html#2004-2010-sum:advanced)
Wade apg and assist % with... Lebron (11'-14'): 4.7 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wadedw01.html#2011-2014-sum:per_game), 25.5% (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wadedw01.html#2011-2014-sum:advanced)


Bosh apg and assist % before Lebron (04'-10'): 2.2, 10.5%
Bosh apg and assist % with... Lebron (11'-14'): 1.6 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/boshch01.html#2011-2014-sum:per_game), .8.0% (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/boshch01.html#2011-2014-sum:advanced)

Irving apg and assist % before Lebron (12'-14'): 5.8 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/irvinky01.html#2012-2014-sum:per_game), 33.2 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/irvinky01.html#2012-2014-sum:advanced)
Irving apg and assist % with... Lebron (2015):... 5.2, 25.0%


Kevin Love apg and assist % in MIN: 2.5, 13.0%
Kevin Love apg and assist % in CLE:. 2.2, 10.7%

Mo Williams apg and assist % before Lebron: 6.3, 30.0%
Mo Williams apg and assist % with... Lebron: 4.1, 20.1%

FYI...

Pippen apg and assist % with.. Jordan 91'-93': 6.5 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1991-1993-sum:per_game), 24.5 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1991-1993-sum:advanced)
Pippen apg and assist % w/out Jordan 94'-95': 5.4 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1994-1995-sum:per_game), 23.7 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1994-1995-sum:advanced)
Pippen apg and assist % with.. Jordan 96'-98': 5.8 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1996-1998-sum:per_game), 25.1 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1996-1998-sum:advanced)

Source: basketball-reference.com


There's a reason the stats show that Lebron lowers the assist capacity of his team - starting fives normally have only 1 ball-dominant, low-assisted player that teammates rarely throw assists to - the point guard - but Lebron's point guard style from the forward position adds a 2nd low-assisted player that teammates can't throw assists to, which lowers the assist capacity of the team - not surprisingly, Lebron's presence didn't materially improve the assist frequency (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=385446) of his Heat and Cavs teams.. Otoh, MJ was a highly-assisted, off-ball player, so his presence significantly increased the assist frequency of the Bulls' teams, as the data linked above shows.

Not surprisingly, Lebron's presence as an extra point guard significantly reduces the APG and assist % (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=385841) of remaining teammates, while their assisted rate increases - this proves Lebron's presence as an extra point guard turns teammates from playmakers into play-finishers, thus preventing the kind of equal-opportunity offenses that the Mavs, Spurs, Warriors, and 90's Bulls used (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIY_4vIxGEE&t=23m40s), where all 5 guys share the playmaking duties - since Lebron prevents the best brand of basketball, his teams are susceptible to equal or less-talented opponents pulling upsets by playing a better brand of basketball (2009, 2011, 2014)..

Ultimately, Lebron's stats lack integrity because he accumulates them at the expense of teammates.. His stat accumulation is also helped by employing a stat-friendly, easily-solvable, playground style, rather than trying to win.. His stat-friendly style is far less impressive than the superior, nuanced skill required to achieve stats within an equal-opportunity offense that can actually win.
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[Heavincent]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t31.0-8/s720x720/10479044_825617737489513_3745061837299991848_o.png

Comically accurate.

[JohnMax]

Scott Brooks = Mark Jackson

Billy Donovan = Steve Kerr

[SourGrapes]

You must not take my assertions seriously - but the stats are real - Lebron significantly LOWERS the APG and assist % of his teammates - this is never optimal for any team:


Wade apg and assist % before Lebron (04'-10'): 6.6 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wadedw01.html#2004-2010-sum:per_game), 34.8% (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wadedw01.html#2004-2010-sum:advanced)
Wade apg and assist % with... Lebron (11'-14'): 4.7 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wadedw01.html#2011-2014-sum:per_game), 25.5% (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wadedw01.html#2011-2014-sum:advanced)


Bosh apg and assist % before Lebron (04'-10'): 2.2, 10.5%
Bosh apg and assist % with... Lebron (11'-14'): 1.6 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/boshch01.html#2011-2014-sum:per_game), .8.0% (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/boshch01.html#2011-2014-sum:advanced)

Irving apg and assist % before Lebron (12'-14'): 5.8 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/irvinky01.html#2012-2014-sum:per_game), 33.2 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/irvinky01.html#2012-2014-sum:advanced)
Irving apg and assist % with... Lebron (2015):... 5.2, 25.0%


Kevin Love apg and assist % in MIN: 2.5, 13.0%
Kevin Love apg and assist % in CLE:. 2.2, 10.7%

Mo Williams apg and assist % before Lebron: 6.3, 30.0%
Mo Williams apg and assist % with... Lebron: 4.1, 20.1%

FYI...

Pippen apg and assist % with.. Jordan 91'-93': 6.5 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1991-1993-sum:per_game), 24.5 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1991-1993-sum:advanced)
Pippen apg and assist % w/out Jordan 94'-95': 5.4 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1994-1995-sum:per_game), 23.7 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1994-1995-sum:advanced)
Pippen apg and assist % with.. Jordan 96'-98': 5.8 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1996-1998-sum:per_game), 25.1 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1996-1998-sum:advanced)

Source: basketball-reference.com


There's a reason for the stats show that Lebron lowers the assist capacity of his team - starting fives normally have only 1 ball-dominant, low-assisted player that teammates rarely throw assists to - the point guard - but Lebron's point guard style from the forward position adds a 2nd low-assisted player that teammates can't throw assists to, which lowers the assist capacity of the team - not surprisingly, Lebron's presence didn't materially improve the assist frequency (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=385446) of his Heat and Cavs teams.. Otoh, MJ was a highly-assisted, off-ball player, so his presence significantly increased the assist frequency of the Bulls' teams, as the data linked above shows.

Not surprisingly, Lebron's presence as an extra point guard significantly reduces the APG and assist % (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=385841) of remaining teammates, while their assisted rate increases - this proves Lebron's presence as an extra point guard turns teammates from playmakers into play-finishers, thus preventing the kind of equal-opportunity offenses that the Mavs, Spurs, Warriors, and 90's Bulls used (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIY_4vIxGEE&t=23m40s), where all 5 guys share the playmaking duties - since Lebron prevents the best brand of basketball, his teams are susceptible to equal or less-talented opponents pulling upsets by playing a better brand of basketball (2009, 2011, 2014)..

Ultimately, Lebron's stats lack integrity because he accumulates them at the expense of teammates.. His stat accumulation is also helped by employing a stat-friendly, easily-solvable, playground style, rather than trying to win.. His stat-friendly style is far less impressive than the superior, nuanced skill required to achieve stats within an equal-opportunity offense that can actually win.

:applause:

[knicksman]

idiot lebron is one of the most unselfish players ever.
Averages over 6+ assists and doesn't take many shots. Ball hogs like kobe kill their teams, lebron always passes.

I guess jordan is selfish. I guess iverson, robertson werent considered cancers. LOL I guess bran should be 5/7 and kobe 2/6. You dont know shit about basketball bran stan so stop talking