Why are gay people and atheists so angry all the time?

[Patrick Chewing]

Atheists willfully seek out religious people just to put them down and tell them God doesn't exist. The minute they start hearing someone talk about God, they start rolling their eyes. You're a state capitol with a Ten Commandments monument?? Oh hell naw that has to come down.


Gay people go on the defensive the second you may come off as homophobic. I have a few gay friends on social media who absolutely say the most vile shit towards someone who may not agree with gay marriage for example.

I mean, that poor county clerk lady received death threats. Death threats?? So....who's the one with the problem??


Can the gay and atheist people of ISH explain this please. I know there's a bunch of you.

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Are liberals jedi or sith Patrick?

[tomtucker]

they got something up their butts

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Because they gay and neckbeard antisocial betas

[CavaliersFTW]

Based on your description which one are you, gay or atheist?

[DonD13]

death threats?!? :biggums:


straight, God-fearing Christians would never do something like this

[ThePhantomCreep]

You do realize your dopey fairy tale religion condemns all non-believers to fry for eternity in a literal hell, yes?

Peace and love, Christian style:

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[9erempiree]

All religion is contradictory. You have Muslims that act peaceful but when things don't go their way, they act violent and confrontational. Christians also don't like a lot of shit like gays and they do it in a 2-faced way. They may act all nice and sweet but their hearts and mind can be very venomous. An example is the Westboro people.

It's 2015, let people believe what they want. It's better to try to get along than to divide the people of this world.

[outbreak]

You do realize your dopey fairy tale religion condemns all non-believers to fry for eternity in a literal hell, yes?

Peace and love, Christian style:

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The bible never actually says sinners go to hell or even mentions a hell like modern culture talks about. I think the king james bible mentions hell but only in a mistranslation

[ace23]

The bible never actually says sinners go to hell or even mentions a hell like modern culture talks about. I think the king james bible mentions hell but only in a mistranslation
...what? This is not true.

[BoutPractice]

Hardcore atheists need religious crazies and vice versa. Fanatics give antitheists a perfect pretext to overstate their argument about religion, while antitheists allow fanatics to claim that there is a war going on against their religion.

Extremists of all kind (those who to borrow Churchill's words, won't change their mind and won't change the subject) are also louder than most so you just notice them more.

The ones that don't get mentioned, as usual, are the non-obsessive believers and atheists, all those people who don't go around picking fights with everyone who disagrees with them.

[Clifton]

I don't think unreasoning extremism and so-called "righteous anger" is particular to either atheists or christians, gays or social conservatives. Most people I know on all parts of the spectrum are fairly levelheaded people, and the extremists I know are of all stripes.

Extremism is a product of personality and the feeling of being threatened. Atheists believe that a total falsehood (the existence of God) has made more than half the world blind to reality, and that that vision of reality is used to push social agendas that they probably don't like. Right or wrong, this is not unreasonable.

But religious people can feel threatened as well. Not so much by atheists as by social policies that are rooted in a disbelief in God and a rejection of the Ten Commandments. Social policies that aren't neutral but that change the society they have to live in for the worse - pornography and cohabitation being rampant, social conservatives who have to raise children in society, and who want them to be social conservatives also, realize they fight an uphill battle, and will flash out in anger because of this.

I'm a social conservative but not a radical or extreme or angry one. But then again I don't have kids yet. When almost every influence outside church and home is pulling them in a direction that I believe is bad for their character and leads to unhappiness... maybe I'll be a bit of a crank myself. It remains to be seen.

Still, civility and good sense are necessary for anything good to happen IMO. Better the other side gets their way than that I have to get my hands and soul dirty to get mine.

[ThePhantomCreep]

The bible never actually says sinners go to hell or even mentions a hell like modern culture talks about. I think the king james bible mentions hell but only in a mistranslation

Revelation 14:11 And the smoke from their torture will go up forever and ever, and those who worship the beast and his image will have no rest day or night, along with anyone who receives the mark of his name.

[Jailblazers7]

Is the angriest dude on ISH really asking this question?

[lil jahlil]

Atheists willfully seek out religious people just to put them down and tell them God doesn't exist. The minute they start hearing someone talk about God, they start rolling their eyes. You're a state capitol with a Ten Commandments monument?? Oh hell naw that has to come down.


Gay people go on the defensive the second you may come off as homophobic. I have a few gay friends on social media who absolutely say the most vile shit towards someone who may not agree with gay marriage for example.

I mean, that poor county clerk lady received death threats. Death threats?? So....who's the one with the problem??


Can the gay and atheist people of ISH explain this please. I know there's a bunch of you.

Why are you so angry at gay people and atheists?

[nathanjizzle]

humans ideologies coupled with their arrogance of opinion makes me laugh

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humans ideologies coupled with their arrogance of opinion makes me laugh
Agreed brother

[TheMan]

Is the angriest dude on ISH really asking this question?
:yaohappy:

[stalkerforlife]

Because gay people and atheists are sick in the phucking head.

[Dbrog]

they got something up their butts

:lol :applause: :bowdown:

[Dresta]

Probably because they lack concrete values themselves, and so it vexes them that others dare to adhere to anything outside of themselves and their senses.

Many of them are also power-hungry (due to this lack of sustaining values, which creates dissatisfaction and a lust for change), and consequently hate Christianity because it is and has been a massive restraint on power, and particularly, the power of the state.

It is only with Christian civilisation that the absolute sovereign of particular nations was placed under the law, and thus stripped of absolute power over its subjects (citizens). Atheists try to deny this, while at the same time frequently proclaiming such fanciful ideas as universal rights, even when such a concept as the universality of rights could only have been derived from Christianity, with its emphasis on the inherent dignity of man and the unity of the race (all equal under God).

Perhaps this cognitive dissonance is also driving their general mean-spiritedness. Prominent atheists tend to give atheism a bad name, and most of their arguments are no less faith based than the beliefs of Christians. People who think not believing in God makes them intelligent quite frankly need to shut up and think about the cogency of their own framework of beliefs before spouting off about how dumb dem Christians be.

edit: i'm only referring to the atheist part of the question here - haven't noticed gays being particularly angry tbh.

[step_back]

I don't have a problem with people being religious. I have a problem when you ram it down non believers throats and use it as justification for wars and hate crimes. Although certain religions are certainly worse than others for this.

[senelcoolidge]

I've known plenty of Atheist or Agnostics, that never made a big deal about others believes, they live their lives. Now the ones that try to bad mouth people of faith are just sad sacks. Bitter and lowly individuals.
I've also had known people that were gay and kept their private lives to themselves. They lived their lives and carried on. These angry people are activist. Political tools.

[Dbrog]

Well Dresta certainly posted a great example of what makes atheists angry. He makes a shitton of assumptions about a subset of people (a common pattern I've found with many christians). It shouldn't come as a surprise that people speak up to this and yet It's like a bunch of religious are shocked when people do. If somebody was making assumptions about your personal beliefs RIGHT BESIDE YOU, would you not feel the impulse to stick up for yourself?

[longtime lurker]

ISH's biggst hatemonger asking my gay people and atheists are so angry? :roll: Conservatives truly live in their own fantasy world. Holy shit.

[West-Side]

Atheists willfully seek out religious people just to put them down and tell them God doesn't exist. The minute they start hearing someone talk about God, they start rolling their eyes. You're a state capitol with a Ten Commandments monument?? Oh hell naw that has to come down.


Gay people go on the defensive the second you may come off as homophobic. I have a few gay friends on social media who absolutely say the most vile shit towards someone who may not agree with gay marriage for example.

I mean, that poor county clerk lady received death threats. Death threats?? So....who's the one with the problem??


Can the gay and atheist people of ISH explain this please. I know there's a bunch of you.


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[ThePhantomCreep]

Probably because they lack concrete values themselves, and so it vexes them that others dare to adhere to anything outside of themselves and their senses.

Many of them are also power-hungry (due to this lack of sustaining values, which creates dissatisfaction and a lust for change), and consequently hate Christianity because it is and has been a massive restraint on power, and particularly, the power of the state.

It is only with Christian civilisation that the absolute sovereign of particular nations was placed under the law, and thus stripped of absolute power over its subjects (citizens). Atheists try to deny this, while at the same time frequently proclaiming such fanciful ideas as universal rights, even when such a concept as the universality of rights could only have been derived from Christianity, with its emphasis on the inherent dignity of man and the unity of the race (all equal under God).

Perhaps this cognitive dissonance is also driving their general mean-spiritedness. Prominent atheists tend to give atheism a bad name, and most of their arguments are no less faith based than the beliefs of Christians. People who think not believing in God makes them intelligent quite frankly need to shut up and think about the cogency of their own framework of beliefs before spouting off about how dumb dem Christians be.

edit: i'm only referring to the atheist part of the question here - haven't noticed gays being particularly angry tbh.

You can tell this poster was dying to post in his usual angry, venomous, insult-laden style, but bit his tongue for the purposes of this thread. :roll:

[imdaman99]

Is the angriest dude on ISH really asking this question?
:oldlol: I'd say he's at least tied with fiddy.

[NumberSix]

Well, to be fair, the vast majority of atheists in the west are not anti-religion. Just anti-Christian. Actually, they will generally crusade against prominent atheists that say anything negative about religions other than Christianity.

People like Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris are atheists because they are objectivists. The "atheists" that constantly attack them are "atheists" simply because they're anti-western leftists who hate Christianity simply because it's a traditional element of western civilization. These so-called "atheists" will absolutely not tolerate any criticism of any other religion.

[DonDadda59]

Is the angriest dude on ISH really asking this question?

Glad someone caught that. :oldlol:

This man Chewing is so hateful he hates himself.

[Levity]

Im a gay atheist and im happy and friendly all the time.

[ThePhantomCreep]

Well, to be fair, the vast majority of atheists in the west are not anti-religion. Just anti-Christian. Actually, they will generally crusade against prominent atheists that say anything negative about religions other than Christianity.

People like Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris are atheists because they are objectivists. The "atheists" that constantly attack them are "atheists" simply because they're anti-western leftists who hate Christianity simply because it's a traditional element of western civilization. These so-called "atheists" will absolutely not tolerate any criticism of any other religion.

Christianity is the predominant religion in the West, so it gets the most focus. That hardly = pro-Muslim, pro-Buddhist, etc. As usual, conservatives lack the ability to comprehend a nuanced argument.

As I see it, the prevailing theme in the anti-Christian arguments is: Your dopey religion is no better than the other dopey religions out there, so get off your high horse.

[DeuceWallaces]

Well, to be fair, the vast majority of atheists in the west are not anti-religion. Just anti-Christian. Actually, they will generally crusade against prominent atheists that say anything negative about religions other than Christianity.

People like Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris are atheists because they are objectivists. The "atheists" that constantly attack them are "atheists" simply because they're anti-western leftists who hate Christianity simply because it's a traditional element of western civilization. These so-called "atheists" will absolutely not tolerate any criticism of any other religion.

Please link your article/study explaining that atheists are not in fact atheists, but anti-christians.

[9erempiree]

Please link your article/study explaining that atheists are not in fact atheists, but anti-christians.

You fit the description of a gay atheist.

[NumberSix]

Christianity is the predominant religion in the West, so it gets the most focus. That hardly = pro-Muslim, pro-Buddhist, etc. As usual, conservatives lack the ability to comprehend a nuanced argument.

As I see it, the prevailing theme in the anti-Christian arguments is: Your dopey religion is no better than the other dopey religions out there, so get off your high horse.
Right, and so-called "atheists" are fully on board when Dawkins, Maher or Harris says Christianity is stupid. But why do they get all "offended" they they say that other religions are stupid too? Why do so-called "atheists" call them "islamophobic" and "racist"?

It clear. That want ONE and only one religion to be criticized.

[senelcoolidge]

I caught the end of some religion in sports debate on espn and the atheist guy was demeaning and insensitive. Just saying some things that could easily be offensive, he seemed really bitter and angry too. The Christian guy was respectful and never insulted the other guys lack of belief. I've known people that don't believe in god and they never go out of their way to put people down. They just live their lives and are tolerable. People should be happy to be in a country where you can practice whatever you believe in..or don't believe in. But some people are just intolerable like these atheists.

[CavaliersFTW]

I caught the end of some religion in sports debate on espn and the atheist guy was demeaning and insensitive. Just saying some things that could easily be offensive, he seemed really bitter and angry too. The Christian guy was respectful and never insulted the other guys lack of belief. I've known people that don't believe in god and they never go out of their way to put people down. They just live their lives and are tolerable. People should be happy to be in a country where you can practice whatever you believe in..or don't believe in. But some people are just intolerable like these atheists.
Because "atheism" is the common denominator of intolerance?

Not just intolerance itself?

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Louis Theroux documentary:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pxE6_VY8aM

Followup Louis Theroux documentary:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4wXjAZ-BIE

Vice Documentary:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMbfQ117Jts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7T_ok0MaLSQ

Australian News Documentary:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuR22urjfP4

Tyra Banks interview:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TULrScZvX4

Good Christians. :D :cheers:

People can act like ***** with any religion. Or non-religion. Don't get it confused.

[NumberSix]

Because "atheism" is the common denominator of intolerance?

Not just intolerance itself?

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Louis Theroux documentary:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pxE6_VY8aM

Followup Louis Theroux documentary:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4wXjAZ-BIE

Vice Documentary:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMbfQ117Jts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7T_ok0MaLSQ

Australian News Documentary:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuR22urjfP4

Tyra Banks interview:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TULrScZvX4

Good Christians. :D :cheers:

People can act like ***** with any religion. Or non-religion. Don't get it confused.
Of course. Atheism isn't in itself in anyway intolerant. It's not like atheism has a doctrine that declares "smite the believers" or something.

[Patrick Chewing]

Someone mentioned it in this thread, and I hear this a lot, yet almost never ever see it. But someone mentioned that they hate when religious people force their religion down someone's throat or something to that effect.

Honestly, how often is something accosting you on the street forcing the word of God on you? And thanking God or baby Jesus in an acceptance speech or interview or press conference isn't forcing religion down your throat either. It's an acknowledgement of thanks to a higher power that they believe in. That's it.

[poido123]

We as humans tend to pick an opinion or "team" in many things in life.


This would be generalising, there are angry bitter muthafckers in all groups of people.


I'm an angry muthafcker and proud of it. I hate the world, it constantly pisses me off, especially people in general. Constantly getting in my fcken way.

[Levity]

Honestly, how often is something accosting you on the street forcing the word of God on you? .

more often than people coming up to someone and telling them god doesnt exist or that religion is a sham.

[poido123]

more often than people coming up to someone and telling them god doesnt exist or that religion is a sham.


I will say, people these days really have layed off throwing religion down our throat over the years...


So much anti-religion spreading throughout the world. Is it really for the better? None of this genration has any morals or values which you get from religion.


Selfish muthafckers everywhere.

[DonDadda59]

Honestly, how often is something accosting you on the street forcing the word of God on you?

In NYC? Literally everyday :lol1

There's a tunnel from the 7 train at times square and a group of Christians, don't kniw which denomination, has a little camp there. They have big cardboard cut outs with bible verses lining the walls and at least one of them yelling at subway riders to repent and accept jesus.

And there's always Jehovah's Witnesses knocking on your door. The Black Jews come out of left field with their shenanigans every now and then too.

[Patrick Chewing]

And there's always Jehovah's Witnesses knocking on your door.


I've never opened my door to these people. They don't celebrate birthdays and holidays. I don't have time for that nonsense.

I've had people pass by my store and drop a little booklet from time to time and then leave. They usually smile and say thank you and are on their way.

The city is an exception because we're talking about 100 different cultures squeezed into 5 boroughs. It's just common place.

[ThePhantomCreep]

I will say, people these days really have layed off throwing religion down our throat over the years...


So much anti-religion spreading throughout the world. Is it really for the better? None of this genration has any morals or values which you get from religion.


Selfish muthafckers everywhere.

Yes, by a lot.

Do you really need to a rundown of all the atrocities that have been committed in the name of religion? Religion is never content with reveling in the marvelous claims contained within its dopey books. Nope, they have to "preach" their gospel to the heretics, non-believers, or preachers of other faiths, often with tragic results.

A bunch of millennials taking selfies on Facebook is nothing compared to that.

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[Akrazotile]

Yes, by a lot.

Do you really need to a rundown of all the atrocities that have been committed in the name of religion? Religion is never content with reveling in the marvelous claims contained within its dopey books. Nope, they have to "preach" their gospel to the heretics, non-believers, or preachers of other faiths, often with tragic results.

A bunch of millennials taking selfies on Facebook is nothing compared to that.



China has a much lower percentage of religious people than the US.

Why dont you move there? It's better, right?

[ThePhantomCreep]

China has a much lower percentage of religious people than the US.

Why dont you move there? It's better, right?

China is a developing nation, but it is paradise compared to the more devoutly religious Middle East.

Other countries with a lower percentage:

Japan
Australia
Canada
Most of Western Europe and Scandinavia

Overall, the less religious and conservative the country, the better off it is. China is an exception.

[Akrazotile]

China is a developing nation, but it is paradise compared to the more devoutly religious Middle East.

Other countries with a lower percentage:

Japan
Australia
Canada
Most of Western Europe and Scandinavia

Overall, the less religious and conservative the country, the better off it is. China is an exception.


What about communist Russia? Stalin slaughtered million and was devoutly AGAINST religion. Hitler himself was a non-religious Darwinian. Saddam Hussein was a non-religious mass-murderer.

Every country you listed has churches and sizable religious populations. Economy and political stability have more to do with quality of life than whether or not a country is religious.

Obsessing over an anti-religious agenda is for people who can't come up with anything more relevant to say to the real issues that face a nation.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Dresta tries so hard to sound smart, it just isn't working for him. :oldlol:

[$LakerGold]

Because gay people get all the hate. I see atheists as spoiled brats -- they want to be a part of christmas' or turn christmas into a universal tradition in a way -- hardcore atheists are ****ing idiots, honestly.

[Megabox!]

Most atheists I've seen on the internet aren't really angry, more like they're pretentious, "know-it-all", pricks. Never really seen too many angry gay people either

[step_back]

Someone mentioned it in this thread, and I hear this a lot, yet almost never ever see it. But someone mentioned that they hate when religious people force their religion down someone's throat or something to that effect.

Honestly, how often is something accosting you on the street forcing the word of God on you? And thanking God or baby Jesus in an acceptance speech or interview or press conference isn't forcing religion down your throat either. It's an acknowledgement of thanks to a higher power that they believe in. That's it.

When religion affects the policies of your political party like it often does the republicans how is that not ramming it down our throat? Bush banned stem cell research in America for 8 years because he believed that was "Playing God" and invaded Iraq with Tony Blair who both claimed their faith in God affected many of the decisions they made.

For a secular constitution like the United States why should the non believers have to put up with it? If it's personal, keep it to yourself.

[NumberSix]

When religion affects the policies of your political party like it often does the republicans how is that not ramming it down our throat? Bush banned stem cell research in America for 8 years because he believed that was "Playing God" and invaded Iraq with Tony Blair who both claimed their faith in God affected many of the decisions they made.

For a secular constitution like the United States why should the non believers have to put up with it? If it's personal, keep it to yourself.
Why should conservatives have to put up with a left-wing president? Why should a catholic have to put up with a Protestant president? Because that's democracy.

If you don't want a religious person, then don't vote for them. If most people agree with you, you'll get your way.

[warriorfan]

gay people act ridiculous and then get mad when people make fun of them for it

[Nick Young]

Have some empathy. If your anus got ruptured every night from a dick pounding it raw, wouldn't you be angry all the time too?:confusedshrug:

[senelcoolidge]

At my job we had a supervisor step down. He was a openly gay guy. Most of the people at my job are in their early to mid 20's. Some quite fit, it's a physical job. Well this guy was abusing his power. He was coming on to guys. My co worker last night told me how this supervisor would say the most gay sh#t to him..like disgusting stuff. He even offered two guys at my job money to blow them. Crazy shit. Sorry off topic.

[Akrazotile]

At my job we had a supervisor step down. He was a openly gay guy. Most of the people at my job are in their early to mid 20's. Some quite fit, it's a physical job. Well this guy was abusing his power. He was coming on to guys. My co worker last night told me how this supervisor would say the most gay sh#t to him..like disgusting stuff. He even offered two guys at my job money to blow them. Crazy shit. Sorry off topic.


In my defense I thought it might boost employee morale

[DonD13]

Probably because they lack concrete values themselves, and so it vexes them that others dare to adhere to anything outside of themselves and their senses.

Many of them are also power-hungry (due to this lack of sustaining values, which creates dissatisfaction and a lust for change), and consequently hate Christianity because it is and has been a massive restraint on power, and particularly, the power of the state.

It is only with Christian civilisation that the absolute sovereign of particular nations was placed under the law, and thus stripped of absolute power over its subjects (citizens). Atheists try to deny this, while at the same time frequently proclaiming such fanciful ideas as universal rights, even when such a concept as the universality of rights could only have been derived from Christianity, with its emphasis on the inherent dignity of man and the unity of the race (all equal under God).

Perhaps this cognitive dissonance is also driving their general mean-spiritedness. Prominent atheists tend to give atheism a bad name, and most of their arguments are no less faith based than the beliefs of Christians. People who think not believing in God makes them intelligent quite frankly need to shut up and think about the cogency of their own framework of beliefs before spouting off about how dumb dem Christians be.

edit: i'm only referring to the atheist part of the question here - haven't noticed gays being particularly angry tbh.

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[TonyMontana]

Because they are gay and atheist. I'd be pissed too.

Hahahahaha just kidding.

I got nothing against gays at all. Gay people have ALWAYS existed. But in old times they would just be normal guys, wouldn't talk about their sex life. it's cool man do what you want to do in private as long as it isn't hurting anyone.

But some of these modern gays? :facepalm These are the guys who have been hiacked and poisioned by cultural marxism. Their entire identify is now about them talking about being gay, gay rights, posting multiple gay rights statuses on their social media all day every day etc. Noone wants to hear that shit constantly. I wouldn't want to hear about that if the guy was straight either, talking about straight rights, or details about what him and his girlfriend did.

The problem is in modern day, so many people live life(especially younger people) without a a real identify, a purpose. It doesn't help that todays young people are on average the first generation to be less successful than their parents in.....ever? So if they happen to be of a different race, gender, sexual orientation, religion(or lack of one in the case of atheism) these people go overboard with it and embrace that fringe group as their identify. Blaming their problems in life on the fact that they are gay, an atheist, a woman....whatever. Never minding the fact that people in general are having a tough time in general these days.

[Clifton]

The problem is in modern day, so many people live life(especially younger people) without a a real identify, a purpose.
I think shit is too over-romantic and over-sexualized in general. If straight people define their lives by their relationships, and their relationships by romantic sentiment or sexual exploits, why shouldn't men who feel attracted to men instead of women do the same?

[Goro]

But some of these modern gays? :facepalm These are the guys who have been hiacked and poisioned by cultural marxism. Their entire identify is now about them talking about being gay, gay rights, posting multiple gay rights statuses on their social media all day every day etc. Noone wants to hear that shit constantly. I wouldn't want to hear about that if the guy was straight either, talking about straight rights, or details about what him and his girlfriend did.


I see more posts about gay rights on social media from straight people than gay people. Not sure who you are friends with, but I see more posts about life than advocacy from gay people than I do straight people.

[Dresta]

Well Dresta certainly posted a great example of what makes atheists angry. He makes a shitton of assumptions about a subset of people (a common pattern I've found with many christians). It shouldn't come as a surprise that people speak up to this and yet It's like a bunch of religious are shocked when people do. If somebody was making assumptions about your personal beliefs RIGHT BESIDE YOU, would you not feel the impulse to stick up for yourself?
I'm not a Christian thanks, and you assuming that i am, shows where your prejudices lie. If i'm anything, it's an agnostic atheist - I simply don't use my atheism as a convenient excuse to ignore thousands of years of intellectual and cultural development, built on top of the firm basis of the Greaco-Roman world merged with the Christian. Not being Christian doesn't prevent one from acknowledging one's debt to Christianity. Is there any non-Christian nation that developed its own tradition of freedom of speech, freedom of the individual conscience, and so forth? The answer is no: Christianity brought those things to the world. The biggest myth of all is that Christianity brought barbarism to the ancient world; the truth is that Christianity tempered the barbarian hordes who sacked Rome, and very likely saved that culture from annihilation. The Dark Ages were not a product of Christianity, but of the general chaos and barbarity of Europe at the time (and the collapse of the Roman Empire) - the faith is actually what saved Europe from darkness: it was the justification for the Magna Carta, and for putting the king beneath the law rather than above it (funny how with Christianity receding, the American executive now flouts and bends the law however suits him best).

And i wasn't talking about all atheists, just the loud-mouthed ignoramuses who think their atheism makes them superior. i.e. positive atheists of the ilk of Dawkins, a man who is so fanatical in his worship of science, that he seems to have a religion all of his own (generally called 'positivism'). It generally annoys these people that anyone dare to be religious, and the persecution of religion is almost always a sign of encroaching tyranny.


Yes, by a lot.

Do you really need to a rundown of all the atrocities that have been committed in the name of religion? Religion is never content with reveling in the marvelous claims contained within its dopey books. Nope, they have to "preach" their gospel to the heretics, non-believers, or preachers of other faiths, often with tragic results.

A bunch of millennials taking selfies on Facebook is nothing compared to that.
Human beings will commit atrocities in the name of just about anything. The fact that human beings are flawed creatures is not an indictment on religion, in fact, it's the fundamental assumption of the Christian faith.

Faith and the worship of the cult is the only thing that tied human beings together further than mere tribal and familial bonds. I suggest you look even at the most civilised parts of the pre-Christian world, like the ancient Greeks, who destroyed themselves because their culture did not unify the various city-states. Not only this, but they were also happy to execute all military age males when captured, and to sell the rest into slavery - if any one thing has ended these 'atrocities,' then it is Christianity.


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I seem to recall you being a fan of Nietzsche and his Zarathustra, as well as having Dostoevsky in your avatar. If you've read these men's works and not recognised that one of their main assertions is what you just quoted and tried to ridicule, then you can only be irretrievably stupid. The type of person he would refer to as 'the last man' - completely ignorant of what he is, and yet still rather certain of his beliefs.

It doesn't take that extensive a research of history and the history of different cultures to recnognise that our civilisation, and everything you value and esteem about it, was built on a foundation of Christian faith. To deny the faith is to deny the values and morality of your time, and hence a need to create new values. But still, without the absolute of God, they can only be arbitrary and subjective values. That's the whole point that people of your ilk seem incapable of grasping. Do you even know what Nietzsche means when he says 'God is dead'?

And again, none of you have bothered to address the points i've made, or even tried to refute them: you've simply resorted to the same inane insults as always, and, as always, they illustrate your lack of intelligence and civility.

I await a reply of some substance for once (not from ThePhantomCreep - he is incapable of saying something of even the slightest interest, which is why all he does is rail against 'dem evil republicans' - people like him can only understand a binary world, and only empathise with their own team), though i would be surprised if i received one.

[Patrick Chewing]

I love Dresta.

[ArbitraryWater]

Dresta :applause:

[DonD13]

our civilisation, and everything you value and esteem about it, was built on a foundation of Christian faith.


nah
science, human rights, democracy, freedom of speech and much much more has been hard-fought actively against the Christians

[DonD13]

as far as the other parts, man, your posts are so incoherent, i'm only able to answer with gifs

what's your point with Nietzsche??

[Dresta]

nah
science, human rights, democracy, freedom of speech and much much more has been hard-fought actively against the Christians
Perhaps in a superficial sense (as in, fanatics persecuting one another, as fanatics will always do, with or without Christianity), but none of those things (except science, which still was much buttressed by Christianity - all the early Universities were Christian institutions of learning) existed without Christianity, and they have not developed as organic traditions in any nation that is not Christian in its mores. I implore you to furnish me with an example that refutes this proposition, but you haven't, because there isn't one.

Moral and legal systems require an absolute so as to function, which is why all the ancient legal systems got their sanction from God or 'the gods' - from Solon, to Lycurgus, and many others. Even when the founders declared independence it was on the assumption that their natural rights (as chartered englishmen) had been breached, a concept that can only be cogent if they are derived from God. The idea of inviolable rights is only viable if there is an absolute to bind them.

As for Nietzsche: his most fundamental assumption was that our civilisation is Christian, and that even with Christianity dwindling, Christian moral-judgements continue to reign supreme; democracy: another outgrowth of Christianity - 'the democratic movement inherits the Christian' is a direct quote if I remember it correctly. Nihilism is also the result of a Christian morality that despairs at the world - the consequence of keeping the morality while removing the idea of God - thus 'all must be condemned.'


The God is Dead quote:


God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it?

What 'was holiest and mightiest' - yet, Nietzsche repudiates Christianity because he considers it a lie, and thus the entirety of civilisation has been built upon a lie - hence the gravitas of his claim, and his need to create new values. He would argue that Christianity naturally destroys itself through its own obsession and dedication to the truth (and hence why Christianity has had such a considerable influence on the growth of learning and science - only recently did the two diverge, and you will find, that many of the most esteemed scientists in history were Christians also, so they saw no contradiction there either).

[RidonKs]

Perhaps in a superficial sense (as in, fanatics persecuting one another, as fanatics will always do, with or without Christianity), but none of those things (except science, which still was much buttressed by Christianity - all the early Universities were Christian institutions of learning) existed without Christianity, and they have not developed as organic traditions in any nation that is not Christian in its mores. I implore you to furnish me with an example that refutes this proposition, but you haven't, because there isn't one.

Moral and legal systems require an absolute so as to function, which is why all the ancient legal systems got their sanction from God or 'the gods' - from Solon, to Lycurgus, and many others. Even when the founders declared independence it was on the assumption that their natural rights (as chartered englishmen) had been breached, a concept that can only be cogent if they are derived from God. The idea of inviolable rights is only viable if there is an absolute to bind them.

As for Nietzsche: his most fundamental assumption was that our civilisation is Christian, and that even with Christianity dwindling, Christian moral-judgements continue to reign supreme; democracy: another outgrowth of Christianity - 'the democratic movement inherits the Christian' is a direct quote if I remember it correctly. Nihilism is also the result of a Christian morality that despairs at the world - the consequence of keeping the morality while removing the idea of God - thus 'all must be condemned.'


The God is Dead quote:



What 'was holiest and mightiest' - yet, Nietzsche repudiates Christianity because he considers it a lie, and thus the entirety of civilisation has been built upon a lie - hence the gravitas of his claim, and his need to create new values. He would argue that Christianity naturally destroys itself through its own obsession and dedication to the truth (and hence why Christianity has had such a considerable influence on the growth of learning and science - only recently did the two diverge, and you will find, that many of the most esteemed scientists in history were Christians also, so they saw no contradiction there either).
is there anywhere in the world you feel arguably hasn't been bound to that christian style of civilization? anywhere left or any group of people now extinct who once opposed the takeover of these values. preferably in more recent history...

i ask because if the answer is no, we are left scratching our heads wondering why friedrich would propose a closed system with no conceivable way to validate it or nullify it