So Wade was only a superstar for 4 seasons??

[dubeta]

2006, 2007, 2009, 2010 :biggums:



Dafuq, why do people put him in the top 3 SGs of all time? :wtf:


I'm sure Vince, Tmac, and Clyde have been superstars for more seasons. Same with Dr. j, Wilkins, Elgin Baylor and other star perimeter players



Is Wades career too based on those 4 seasons (3 out of those 4 seasons he lost in the 1st round FYI) instead of his entire career arc?

[JT123]

Pretty amazing what one highly controversial Finals series has done for his legacy. He was a great scorer in his day, but without Shaq and Lebron he would LITERALLY be another Tmac.

[kennethgriffin]

lebron = 0 titles without top 26 all time player dwyane wade


kobe = 2 titles without a top 80 all time sidekick




:lol

[Dr Hawk]

lebron = 0 titles without top 20 all time sidekick dwyane wade


kobe = 2 titles without a top 80 all time sidekick




:lol

Pau was ROBBED in 2010

[kennethgriffin]

1. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 1.0000
2. Michael Jordan* 1.0000
3. Bill Russell* 1.0000
4. Wilt Chamberlain* 1.0000
5. Kobe Bryant 1.0000
6. Tim Duncan 1.0000
7. Shaquille O'Neal 1.0000
8. John Havlicek* 1.0000
9. Oscar Robertson* 1.0000
10. Bob Cousy* 1.0000
11. Kevin Garnett 1.0000
12. Jerry West* 1.0000
13. Magic Johnson* 1.0000
14. Karl Malone* 1.0000
15. LeBron James 1.0000
16. Hakeem Olajuwon* 1.0000
17. Larry Bird* 1.0000
18. Elvin Hayes* 1.0000
19. David Robinson* 1.0000
20. Moses Malone* 1.0000
21. Dolph Schayes* 1.0000
22. Dirk Nowitzki 1.0000
23. John Stockton* 1.0000
24. Bob Pettit* 1.0000
25. Isiah Thomas* 1.0000
26. Dwyane Wade 0.9999
27. Charles Barkley* 0.9998
28. Allen Iverson 0.9998
29. Elgin Baylor* 0.9998
30. Paul Arizin* 0.9998
31. Jason Kidd 0.9997
32. Chris Paul 0.9997
33. Sam Jones* 0.9995
34. George Mikan* 0.9995
35. Gary Payton* 0.9994
36. Patrick Ewing* 0.9994
37. Julius Erving* 0.9991
38. Scottie Pippen* 0.9990
39. Ray Allen 0.9987
40. Clyde Drexler* 0.9978
41. Paul Pierce 0.9974
42. Hal Greer* 0.9974
43. Bill Sharman* 0.9970
44. Robert Parish* 0.9966
45. Rick Barry* 0.9950
46. Walt Frazier* 0.9949
47. Slater Martin* 0.9943
48. Tom Heinsohn* 0.9938
49. Neil Johnston* 0.9926
50. Dwight Howard 0.9893
51. Lenny Wilkens* 0.9880
52. Ed Macauley* 0.9873
53. Chris Bosh 0.9864
54. Kevin McHale* 0.9864
55. Dave Cowens* 0.9864
56. Bob McAdoo* 0.9863
57. Tiny Archibald* 0.9842
58. Steve Nash 0.9829
59. Kevin Durant 0.9821
60. Dominique Wilkins* 0.9814
61. George Gervin* 0.9787
62. Vern Mikkelsen* 0.9771
63. Willis Reed* 0.9768
64. Dikembe Mutombo* 0.9691
65. Jerry Lucas* 0.9608
66. Tracy McGrady 0.9555
67. Bob Lanier* 0.9494
68. Vince Carter 0.9455
69. Larry Foust 0.9420
70. Tony Parker 0.9386
71. Chet Walker* 0.9378
72. Bailey Howell* 0.9362
73. Alonzo Mourning* 0.9310
74. Alex English* 0.9235
75. Dave Bing* 0.9188
76. James Worthy* 0.9077
77. Grant Hill 0.8911
78. Adrian Dantley* 0.8862
79. Carmelo Anthony 0.8745
80. Jack Sikma 0.8698
81. Jo Jo White* 0.8692
82. Chauncey Billups 0.8440
83. Dave DeBusschere* 0.8358
84. Harry Gallatin* 0.8091
85. Pau Gasol 0.8086



HOF probability ranking has wade with nearly a perfect 1.0000 HOF score

[dubeta]

lebron = 0 titles without top 26 all time player dwyane wade


kobe = 2 titles without a top 80 all time sidekick




:lol


Kobe 0 1st round wins without top 4 all time Shaq, and top 20 peak Pau Gasol :applause:

[kennethgriffin]

Pau was ROBBED in 2010


paus game is entirely based off kobe double teams in the screen and roll



2010 playoffs:

kobe = 29/6/6
Pau = 19/11/3

2010 finals:

kobe = 29/8/4
pau = 18/11/3




all gasol ever did was set a screen. kobe runs off it. if paus defender switched kobe would hit gasol for the open jumper or roll to the basket


even paus assists were based off kobes initial double. pau got the ball and another guys defender switches to him. so pau hits the open cutter for the layup

this is why the #1 scorer AND #1 playmaker combined is basically inarguably the best player and leader


i dont give a rats a** if pau had more rebounds as a 7 footer or shot a more efficient percentage getting easier opportunities


the guy who made the team go was kobe. period






http://lakers.topbuzz.com/gallery/d/280226-1/Kobe+Bryant+shakes+hands+with+Bill+Russell.JPG



pau looks thrilled just to be a part of kobes accomplishment... have a nice day

[Cocaine80s]

lebron = 0 titles without top 26 all time player dwyane wade


kobe = 2 titles without a top 80 all time sidekick




:lol
Gasol>Wade dont kid yourself

[Young X]

'11 and '12 he was a superstar.

[Hey Yo]

HOF probability ranking has wade with nearly a perfect 1.0000 HOF score
Link please

thanks

[kennethgriffin]

Kobe 0 1st round wins without top 4 all time Shaq, and top 20 peak Pau Gasol :applause:



pau doesnt count as a "what have you done without him" guy


because pau is the 6th worst 2nd option in championship history


you lose

:lol

[kennethgriffin]

Link please

thanks


http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/hof_prob.html

[kennethgriffin]

Gasol>Wade dont kid yourself


not even remotely close

try again though

[dubeta]

Gasol >> Wade


Odom >>> Bosh


Bynum + Artest >>>> rest of the Heat


Phil Jackson >>> Spoelstra


Yet Kobe still only made 3 finals compared to LeBrons 4 in 4 years



And he wasn't even the best player on the team :lol

[GrapeApe]

Wade was a superstar from 2005 through the 2013 regular season. This has been beaten to death and I don't feel like doing this crap over and over, but you don't amass 24/6/5/2/1 averages over 12 years and a 25+ career PER with only a few superstar seasons.

[dubeta]

Wade was a superstar from 2005 through the 2013 regular season. This has been beaten to death and I don't feel like doing this crap over and over, but you don't amass 24/6/5/2/1 averages over 12 years and a 25+ career PER with only a few superstar seasons.


You're including 2008???? :biggums:

[Wade's Rings]

'11 and '12 he was a superstar.

'05 as well.

[kennethgriffin]

Gasol >> Wade


Odom >>> Bosh


Bynum + Artest >>>> rest of the Heat


Phil Jackson >>> Spoelstra


Yet Kobe still only made 3 finals compared to LeBrons 4 in 4 years



And he wasn't even the best player on the team :lol


yeah sure bud





Dwyane Wade:


2002-03 NCAA AP All-America (1st)
2003-04 NBA All-Rookie (1st)
2004-05 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
2004-05 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
2005-06 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
2006-07 NBA All-NBA (3rd)
2008-09 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
2008-09 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2009-10 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
2009-10 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2010-11 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
2011-12 NBA All-NBA (3rd)
2012-13 NBA All-NBA (3rd)

Awards
2005-06 NBA Finals MVP
2009-10 NBA All-Star Game MVP

All-Star Games
2005 NBA
2006 NBA *started
2007 NBA *started
2008 NBA *started
2009 NBA *started
2010 NBA *started
2011 NBA *started
2012 NBA *started
2013 NBA *started
2014 NBA *started
2015 NBA *started

MVP Award Shares
2004-05 NBA 0.034 (8)
2005-06 NBA 0.070 (6)
2006-07 NBA 0.002 (12)
2008-09 NBA 0.562 (3)
2009-10 NBA 0.097 (5)
2010-11 NBA 0.020 (7)
2011-12 NBA 0.005 (10)
2012-13 NBA 0.004 (10)
Active 0.793 (12)
Career 0.793 (42)



Pau Gasol:

2001-02 NBA All-Rookie (1st)
2008-09 NBA All-NBA (3rd)
2009-10 NBA All-NBA (3rd)
2010-11 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
2014-15 NBA All-NBA (2nd)

All-Star Games
2006 NBA
2009 NBA
2010 NBA
2011 NBA
2015 NBA *started*

MVP award shares:

none














and as for bosh vs odom




Chris Bosh:


Honors
2002 McDonald's All American
2003-04 NBA All-Rookie (1st)
2006-07 NBA All-NBA (2nd)


All-Star Games
2006 NBA
2007 NBA *started
2008 NBA *started
2009 NBA *started
2010 NBA
2011 NBA
2012 NBA
2013 NBA *started
2014 NBA
2015 NBA

MVP Award Shares
2006-07 NBA 0.033 (7)
2009-10 NBA 0.001 (12)
Active 0.034 (26)
Career 0.034 (124)







lamar odom

Honors
1997 McDonald's All American
1999-00 NBA All-Rookie (1st)

Allstar games

none

MVP award shares

none










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https://i.imgur.com/8dZZTx6.gif
https://i.imgur.com/8dZZTx6.gif

[dubeta]

^ Post their stats with Kobe from 08-10, compared to Wade/Boshs stats from 2012-2014 with LeBron


:yaohappy:

[GrapeApe]

You're including 2008???? :biggums:

I suppose you can omit that season because of the missed games, but on the court? Despite being nowhere near healthy he averaged 25/7/4 on 47%. A down statistical year for his standards at that time but still superstar numbers.

I guess I could reword it as he was a superstar when on the court every year from 2005 through the 2013 regular season. There is no disputing this.

[Hey Yo]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/hof_prob.html
When you add in his international resume', seems like his chances to get in should be higher.

[kennethgriffin]

^ Post their stats with Kobe from 08-10, compared to Wade/Boshs stats from 2012-2014 with LeBron


:yaohappy:


so youre saying kobe turns bums into great players that play well beyond their norm

while lebron suffocates legendary careers and turns greats into spot up shooting role players




sounds about right



look at what hes done to kevin loves HOF career path


"hey kev!.. i know you like to rebound... but just stand outside and be my steve kerr"


:roll:

[dubeta]

I suppose you can omit that season because of the missed games, but on the court? Despite being nowhere near healthy he averaged 25/7/4 on 47%. A down statistical year for his standards at that time but still superstar numbers.

I guess I could reword it as he was a superstar when on the court every year from 2005 through the 2013 regular season. There is no disputing this.


:biggums:

2012 regular season?? 22/5/5 isnt really a superstar, unless you're arguing that Westbrook, Melo, Aldridge, Love were superstars that season as well.


2013 regular season? 21/5/5 was great for a second option, but again if you're saying he was a superstar, then that means there was 8-10 superstars in the league that season


Not sure if I agree with your definition of 'superstar'


So 2006,2007,2009,2010 were 'legit' superstar years

Everything else is murky and highly speculative, you have to stretch your definition of superstar pretty thin (include like 10 players every year) if you include other seasons

[kennethgriffin]

When you add in his international resume', seems like his chances to get in should be higher.


never really understood why paus international resume would boost his nba ranking


any top 20 nba player can lead spain to olympic silver medals and euro golds

[dubeta]

so youre saying kobe turns bums into great players that play well beyond their norm

while lebron suffocates legendary careers and turns greats into spot up shooting role players




sounds about right



look at what hes done to kevin loves HOF career path


"hey kev!.. i know you like to rebound... but just stand outside and be my steve kerr"


:roll:


Gasol left Kobe and was the best player on a 2nd round playoff team this season


Wade and Bosh without LeBron are role players who miss the playoffs


:yaohappy:




Boiled down

Gasol without Kobe: best player on a contender All NBA 3rd team



Wade Bosh without LeBron: Lottery players in the Weak East that cant make all-nba teams

[Hey Yo]

yeah sure bud





Dwyane Wade:


2002-03 NCAA AP All-America (1st)
2003-04 NBA All-Rookie (1st)
2004-05 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
2004-05 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
2005-06 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
2006-07 NBA All-NBA (3rd)
2008-09 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
2008-09 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2009-10 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
2009-10 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2010-11 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
2011-12 NBA All-NBA (3rd)
2012-13 NBA All-NBA (3rd)

Awards
2005-06 NBA Finals MVP
2009-10 NBA All-Star Game MVP

All-Star Games
2005 NBA
2006 NBA *started
2007 NBA *started
2008 NBA *started
2009 NBA *started
2010 NBA *started
2011 NBA *started
2012 NBA *started
2013 NBA *started
2014 NBA *started
2015 NBA *started

MVP Award Shares
2004-05 NBA 0.034 (8)
2005-06 NBA 0.070 (6)
2006-07 NBA 0.002 (12)
2008-09 NBA 0.562 (3)
2009-10 NBA 0.097 (5)
2010-11 NBA 0.020 (7)
2011-12 NBA 0.005 (10)
2012-13 NBA 0.004 (10)
Active 0.793 (12)
Career 0.793 (42)



Pau Gasol:

2001-02 NBA All-Rookie (1st)
2008-09 NBA All-NBA (3rd)
2009-10 NBA All-NBA (3rd)
2010-11 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
2014-15 NBA All-NBA (2nd)

All-Star Games
2006 NBA
2009 NBA
2010 NBA
2011 NBA
2015 NBA *started*

MVP award shares:

none














and as for bosh vs odom




Chris Bosh:


Honors
2002 McDonald's All American
2003-04 NBA All-Rookie (1st)
2006-07 NBA All-NBA (2nd)


All-Star Games
2006 NBA
2007 NBA *started
2008 NBA *started
2009 NBA *started
2010 NBA
2011 NBA
2012 NBA
2013 NBA *started
2014 NBA
2015 NBA

MVP Award Shares
2006-07 NBA 0.033 (7)
2009-10 NBA 0.001 (12)
Active 0.034 (26)
Career 0.034 (124)







lamar odom

Honors
1997 McDonald's All American
1999-00 NBA All-Rookie (1st)

Allstar games

none

MVP award shares

none
You forgot this for Pau.

[B]FIBA World Cup MVP (2006)
2

[Hey Yo]

never really understood why paus international resume would boost his nba ranking


any top 20 nba player can lead spain to olympic silver medals and euro golds
Same reason a players collegiate career boosts his HOF ranking. I'm sure if you scroll through those currently in the BBHOF, you'll see that their collegiate career probably puts them over the top, compared to what they did as a pro.

[GrapeApe]

:biggums:

2012 regular season?? 22/5/5 isnt really a superstar, unless you're arguing that Westbrook, Melo, Aldridge, Love were superstars that season as well.


2013 regular season? 21/5/5 was great for a second option, but again if you're saying he was a superstar, then that means there was 8-10 superstars in the league that season


Not sure if I agree with your definition of 'superstar'


So 2006,2007,2009,2010 were 'legit' superstar years

Everything else is murky and highly speculative, you have to stretch your definition of superstar pretty thin (include like 10 players every year) if you include other seasons

First of all, he was absolutely a superstar in 2005 by ANY definition. He averaged 24/7/5 in the regular season and 27/7/6 in the playoffs.

As for 2012 and 2013, you have to view his numbers in the context of being a second option. It's disingenuous to simply cite his raw numbers. His PER those seasons was 26.3 and 24.0, both at superstar standards. He was still easily a 25/7/5 type player as a first option.

[dubeta]

First of all, he was absolutely a superstar in 2005 by ANY definition. He averaged 24/7/5 in the regular season and 27/7/6 in the playoffs.

As for 2012 and 2013, you have to view his numbers in the context of being a second option. It's disingenuous to simply cite his raw numbers. His PER those seasons was 26.3 and 24.0, both at superstar standards. He was still a 25/7/5 type player as a first option.


Thats similar to Kevin Loves PER from 2011-2014


Was Love a superstar those seasons? :wtf:

[kennethgriffin]

Gasol left Kobe and was the best player on a 2nd round playoff team this season


Wade and Bosh without LeBron are role players who miss the playoffs


:yaohappy:




Boiled down

Gasol without Kobe: best player on a contender All NBA 3rd team



Wade Bosh without LeBron: Lottery players in the Weak East that cant make all-nba teams



gasol lead the 2014 lakers to the 2nd worst record in the west


then played behind rose and butler this season


:oldlol:

[Hey Yo]

The one thing for me about Wade is games played. He was injured a lot during his career.

One example. In 2012 he played 49 of 66 possible games.(lockout season) His avg's may have or may not have taken a dip if he played more reg. season games throughout his career.

[tamaraw08]

paus game is entirely based off kobe double teams in the screen and roll



2010 playoffs:

kobe = 29/6/6
Pau = 19/11/3

2010 finals:

kobe = 29/8/4
pau = 18/11/3




all gasol ever did was set a screen. kobe runs off it. if paus defender switched kobe would hit gasol for the open jumper or roll to the basketeven paus assists were based off kobes initial double. pau got the ball and another guys defender switches to him. so pau hits the open cutter for the layup

this is why the #1 scorer AND #1 playmaker combined is basically inarguably the best player and leader


i dont give a rats a** if pau had more rebounds as a 7 footer or shot a more efficient percentage getting easier opportunities


the guy who made the team go was kobe. period

pau looks thrilled just to be a part of kobes accomplishment... have a nice day
huh, their offense was just that? Nothing about triangle offense, if thats the case then why was it less successful with Mike Brown and D'Antoni?:eek:

[BasedTom]

Thats similar to Kevin Loves PER from 2011-2014


Was Love a superstar those seasons? :wtf:
Yes. He was a guy who could easily drop 40 and grab 20 boards + make the clutch shot

and then lebronball happened

[dubeta]

then played behind rose and butler this season




This might be the stupidest thing you've ever said (which is saying something)

:yaohappy:


Gasol was easily the best player on the Bulls, All-nba 3rd team player leading 50 win teams deep into the playoffs


Meanwhile Wade and Bosh living in the lottery

[kennethgriffin]

Same reason a players collegiate career boosts his HOF ranking. I'm sure if you scroll through those currently in the BBHOF, you'll see that their collegiate career probably puts them over the top, compared to what they did as a pro.


international resumes are meaningless to me because they favor international players



for some reason a silver medal by someone on spain is more valuable than a gold medal by an american


if anything wades had the superior international career



i could care less about eurobasket gold medals or euro mvps

those things dont involve the best players in the world

[GrapeApe]

Thats similar to Kevin Loves PER from 2011-2014


Was Love a superstar those seasons? :wtf:

Are you joking? Kevin Love was a first option, a known stat padder, and he put up those numbers on a bad team. Do you know how many second option perimeter players in HISTORY had Wade's 2012 and 2013 caliber PER? Only Kobe Bryant. A second option is at a disadvantage in that category so it makes those numbers all the more impressive.

[BasedTom]

Gasol left Kobe and was the best player on a 2nd round playoff team this season


Wade and Bosh without LeBron are role players who miss the playoffs


:yaohappy:




Boiled down

Gasol without Kobe: best player on a contender All NBA 3rd team



Wade Bosh without LeBron: Lottery players in the Weak East that cant make all-nba teams
wade was in the ECF in his sophomore year and 1 game away from the finals (would have beat the pistons soundly if not for his injury). Next year he comes back healthy and goes all the way- beating those same pistons and a really good mavs team with prime dirk.

took lebron until 2010 and joining the heat to ever have a legitimate chance of winning a championship.

[kennethgriffin]

This might be the stupidest thing you've ever said (which is saying something)

:yaohappy:


Gasol was easily the best player on the Bulls, All-nba 3rd team player leading 50 win teams deep into the playoffs


Meanwhile Wade and Bosh living in the lottery


gasol was all nba 3rd due to the big man position being depleted


jimmy butler was the #1 guy on chicago


20ppg to gasols 18ppg


and rose was the assist leader with 6apg, while only being outscored 1 point by gasol



assist leader with 17ppg > 18ppg big man that gets all his shots off the guards initial draw of the double team



gasol shoots nearly all of his shots wide open due to the greatness of others




sorry man.. you lose again

[dubeta]

wade was in the ECF in his sophomore year and 1 game away from the finals (would have beat the pistons soundly if not for his injury). Next year he comes back healthy and goes all the way- beating those same pistons and a really good mavs team with prime dirk.

took lebron until 2010 and joining the heat to ever have a legitimate chance of winning a championship.


Wade

2007 swept in the 1st round

2008- Goes to the lottery in the middle of his prime

2009- Loses in 1st round

2010 loses in 1st round


2015- Goes to the lottery again




GTFO with that bs

:yaohappy:

[Wade's Rings]

wade was in the ECF in his sophomore year and 1 game away from the finals (would have beat the pistons soundly if not for his injury). Next year he comes back healthy and goes all the way- beating those same pistons and a really good mavs team with prime dirk.

took lebron until 2010 and joining the heat to ever have a legitimate chance of winning a championship.

That's cause Bron is a choker.

[GrapeApe]

wade was in the ECF in his sophomore year and 1 game away from the finals (would have beat the pistons soundly if not for his injury). Next year he comes back healthy and goes all the way- beating those same pistons and a really good mavs team with prime dirk.

took lebron until 2010 and joining the heat to ever have a legitimate chance of winning a championship.

Not to mention that Wade went to the second round as a ROOKIE and averaged 21/6/4 on 48% against the DPOY while pushing the top seed Pacers to 6 games.

Wade had already won a playoff series (including 2 game winners) before Lebron had even sniffed the playoffs.

[dubeta]

Are you joking? Kevin Love was a first option, a known stat padder, and he put up those numbers on a bad team. Do you know how many second option perimeter players in HISTORY had Wade's 2012 and 2013 caliber PER? Only Kobe Bryant. A second option is at a disadvantage in that category so it makes those numbers all the more impressive.


Thats the thing though, Getting a high PER is more impressive when you're the 1st option and defenses are geared to stop you


Would Wade's PER be as high if:

He wasnt resting on back-to-backs?

He had to play more minutes (be more fatigued, less productive)?

He couldnt take weeks off to reenergize?

He had to be the 1st option, defenses geared to stop him?

He didnt have LeBron taking all the pressure of him?



Loves PER was more impressive given those circumstances, therefore Love = superstar from 2011-2015? :biggums:

[Hey Yo]

international resumes are meaningless to me because they favor international players



for some reason a silver medal by someone on spain is more valuable than a gold medal by an american


if anything wades had the superior international career



i could care less about eurobasket gold medals or euro mvps

those things dont involve the best players in the world
Yeah but.....it's not what you care about, it's what the voters are suppose to take into perspective.

[GrapeApe]

Wade

2007 swept in the 1st round

2008- Goes to the lottery in the middle of his prime

2009- Loses in 1st round

2010 loses in 1st round


2015- Goes to the lottery again




GTFO with that bs

:yaohappy:

So 2004-2006 never happened?

Wade lost to the same team Lebron lost to in 2010, and Wade played outplayed Lebron. It's stupid to list 2007 and 2008 because he was obviously hurt.

2009 is the one year he deserves some flak for not getting past the first round. He underperformed against the Hawks.

[BasedTom]

Wade

2007 swept in the 1st round

2008- Goes to the lottery in the middle of his prime

2009- Loses in 1st round

2010 loses in 1st round


2015- Goes to the lottery again



GTFO with that bs

:yaohappy:
shaq declining further and getting injured and already wanting to be traded (after just a few years removed from using his diva status to have stan van gundy fired)

being left to contend with talent like Yakhouba Diawara, Smush Parker, and Jamario Moon

ok m8

then in 2015, they lose lebron and get nothing in return, josh mcroberts goes out for the year, then chris bosh has a freak medical condition and is out for half of the year

ok m8

[dubeta]

shaq declining further and getting injured and already wanting to be traded (after just a few years removed from using his diva status to have stan van gundy fired)

being left to contend with talent like Yakhouba Diawara, Smush Parker, and Jamario Moon

ok m8

then in 2015, they lose lebron and get nothing in return, josh mcroberts goes out for the year, then chris bosh has a freak medical condition and is out for half of the year

ok m8


So Wades a career loser (Melo, Stephan Marbury, Steve Francis type player) without Prime Shaq and Prime LeBron (2 out of the top 3 GOAT primes?)


Thanks for admitting it

:yaohappy:

[GrapeApe]

Thats the thing though, Getting a high PER is more impressive when you're the 1st option and defenses are geared to stop you


Would Wade's PER be as high if:

He wasnt resting on back-to-backs?

He had to play more minutes (be more fatigued, less productive)?

He couldnt take weeks off to reenergize?

He had to be the 1st option, defenses geared to stop him?

He didnt have LeBron taking all the pressure of him?



Loves PER was more impressive given those circumstances, therefore Love = superstar from 2011-2015? :biggums:

I'm sorry, but you're dead wrong and you obviously have no clue how PER works. It's MUCH more difficult to have a superstar PER as a second option. Why do you think it almost NEVER happens? Especially for a guard. If you don't think it's impressive and hard to accomplish, please list the other second option guards in history with a 24+ PER. I'll be waiting.

[BasedTom]

So Wades a career loser (Melo, Stephan Marbury, Steve Francis type player) without Prime Shaq and Prime LeBron (2 out of the top 3 GOAT primes?)


Thanks for admitting it

:yaohappy:
uh no, considering the fact that he never played with true prime shaq (you're thinking kobe) as shaq was outscored by antoine walker in the finals. FOH if you think that's happening in 2001.

if you give lebron your supposed goat a pass for not even coming close to winning shit in his first 7 years of the league, then you have to give a pass for wade struggling with injuries a few years and playing with scrubs on a rebuilding team.

[GrapeApe]

So Wades a career loser (Melo, Stephan Marbury, Steve Francis type player) without Prime Shaq and Prime LeBron (2 out of the top 3 GOAT primes?)


Thanks for admitting it

:yaohappy:

Prime Shaq? :oldlol:

Shaq was an 18/9 player in 2006 and averaged 13/9 in the finals.

THAT'S prime Shaq? :wtf:

That's basically Chris Bosh, and at that point in Shaq's career he was close to being a defensive liability. Seriously, just take the L and move on already.

[dubeta]

uh no, considering the fact that he never played with true prime shaq (you're thinking kobe) as shaq was outscored by antoine walker in the finals. FOH if you think that's happening in 2001.

if you give lebron your supposed goat a pass for not even coming close to winning shit in his first 7 years of the league, then you have to give a pass for wade struggling with injuries a few years and playing with scrubs on a rebuilding team.


bro you're melting down at this point :oldlol:


Not winning shit = taking scrubs to finals in your 4th season, multiple 60+ win seasons? ECF appearances?



Yet its fine for Wade to miss the playoffs and lose in the first round without LeBron and Shaq?


:yaohappy:

[BasedTom]

bro you're melting down at this point :oldlol:


Not winning shit = taking scrubs to finals in your 4th season, multiple 60+ win seasons? ECF appearances?



Yet its fine for Wade to miss the playoffs and lose in the first round without LeBron and Shaq?


:yaohappy:
getting swept? getting routinely embarrassed? absolutely nobody respected lebron no matter how much of a regular season warrior he was...you could argue that even today many of his peers view him as a career loser and a mental midget. but guys like kobe, wade, duncan, dirk, kg all get universal praise and love for their legacies.

how are you just going to completely act as if 2011 never happened?

[GrapeApe]

bro you're melting down at this point :oldlol:


Not winning shit = taking scrubs to finals in your 4th season, multiple 60+ win seasons? ECF appearances?



Yet its fine for Wade to miss the playoffs and lose in the first round without LeBron and Shaq?


:yaohappy:

I'll say it again, ROOKIE Wade took his team to the second round and pushed the top seed Pacers to 6 games. Wade averaged 21/6/4 on 48% being guarded by the DPOY. He also hit two game winners in the first round.

[dubeta]

BasedTom officially reached Euroleague/3ball levels of delusion :oldlol:


if Wade hits that game-tying ft in game 4 of the 2011 instead of choking he wins, yet he failed again in that series. Threw away the late inbound pass at the end as well.

[JT123]

getting swept? getting routinely embarrassed? absolutely nobody respected lebron no matter how much of a regular season warrior he was...you could argue that even today many of his peers view him as a career loser and a mental midget. but guys like kobe, wade, duncan, dirk, kg all get universal praise and love for their legacies.

how are you just going to completely act as if 2011 never happened?
A career loser with 2 Finals MVP's and 4 league MVP's before age 30? :biggums: Nikka you just went full retard. :oldlol:

[Wade's Rings]

Why the f*ck are y'all entertaining Dubeta?

[GrapeApe]

BasedTom officially reached Euroleague/3ball levels of delusion :oldlol:


if Wade hits that game-tying ft in game 4 of the 2011 instead of choking he wins, yet he failed again in that series. Threw away the late inbound pass at the end as well.

And if Lebron doesn't shoot a combined 0/5 in the 4th quarters of games 2 and 4 the Heat probably sweep the series. He did improve to a stellar 1/4 in game 5 though so I'll give credit where credit's due.

[BasedTom]

BasedTom officially reached Euroleague/3ball levels of delusion :oldlol:


if Wade hits that game-tying ft in game 4 of the 2011 instead of choking he wins, yet he failed again in that series. Threw away the late inbound pass at the end as well.
yep yet's just act like this didn't happen:

http://i.imgur.com/7Apcs4Q.jpg

[knicksman]

2/6 vs 3/5:yaohappy:

[knicksman]

A career loser with 2 Finals MVP's and 4 league MVP's before age 30? :biggums: Nikka you just went full retard. :oldlol:

thats because youre a cheap standard manwhore

[Hey Yo]

yep yet's just act like this didn't happen:

http://i.imgur.com/7Apcs4Q.jpg
Those pics show what the game plan was........let Wade try to get FMVP in his last run as first option.

[BasedTom]

Those pics show what lebron's game plan was when he saw his FMVP chances were all but zero........camp the 3pt line and force Wade to go 1 on 5.
fixed

[Deuce Bigalow]

27/6/7 on 48fg/56ts in the 2005 playoffs
27/7/5 on 55fg/61ts in the 2011 finals

[dubeta]

27/6/7 on 48fg/56ts in the 2005 playoffs
27/7/5 on 55fg/61ts in the 2011 finals

And...? 1 series doesnt make someone a superstar

2011 - Carried to the finals


2005 - poor regular season

[BasedTom]

And...? 1 series doesnt make someone a superstar

2011 - Carried to the finals


2005 - poor regular season
#1 is bullshit and doesnt even need to be addressed

#2- ASG as a sophomore player and all nba

try again

[Deuce Bigalow]

And...? 1 series doesnt make someone a superstar

2011 - Carried to the finals


2005 - poor regular season
30/7/5 vs the Celtics in the 2nd round tho

And a 24/5/7 + 2nd team all-defense regular season isn't poor

[GrapeApe]

Those pics show what the game plan was........let Wade try to get FMVP in his last run as first option.

Yeah, because THAT'S how professional athletes at the highest level think. :rolleyes:

I mean, Lebron is playing in the biggest series of his life and he says "I think I'll hold back and not play to the best of my abilities so that my buddy can get a FMVP. I'll get the next two".

The last thing I'll say is 2012 and 2013 Wade was UNQUESTIONABLY an all time great second option guard. As I mentioned before he is in rare and exclusive company as a second option guard to post consecutive seasons with a 24+ PER. Yes he struggled for the EC playoffs in 2013 but he fought through it and stepped up in the finals, unlike someone else who shrunk when the going got tough.

[WayOfWade]

I'm pretty sure he was a superstar in 2011 also, putting up 25.5/6.4/4.6 on 50% fgs and then proceeding to play incredible ball in the playoffs. The other seasons like 2012 and 2013 are really debatable because he did play fantastic as a second option, and had he been a 1st option still he probably would've put up even more stellar numbers like before. Whether or not you want to hold that for or against him depends on your agenda. In the end though, Wade has had a HOF career despite his shortcomings and injuries, and in the end will be the #3 all-time SG no matter what you say.

[catch24]

Question OP

In 2012, he had 8 postseason games averaging ~25/6/4 and 8 other games averaging ~22/6/5

You combine that with good defense, and, well, how is that NOT elite? :oldlol:

You also forgot about 2005 and 2011.

[SouBeachTalents]

Wade was a superstar from '05-'11, and still a top 10 player in 2012 and the 2013 regular season

[SamuraiSWISH]

Definitely more. Double actually. Near 8.

2005, 2006, 2007(pre injury), 2009, 2010, 2010, 2011, and 2012 for certain.

With flashes in 2013 before another injury. And at times last season as well? So well more than 4x years as a superstar.

[imdaman99]

Why do you guys buy into this troll's trolling ways? He feeds off this attention.

[derb2k2]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqTSKKZeYyw

2015 highlights. Man is skilled as ****:bowdown: :bowdown:

not to mention sexy

[dubeta]

Definitely more. Double actually. Near 8.

2005, 2006, 2007(pre injury), 2009, 2010, 2010, 2011, and 2012 for certain.

With flashes in 2013 before another injury. And at times last season as well? So well more than 4x years as a superstar.


Lol u listed 2010 twice


Fail



2012 he wasn't a superstar


2005 is questionable



So at best he was a superstar for 5 seasons

[20Four]

Dubeta....we know what your bitch ass is trying to do, make it seem like leBRONZE had no help and he had to carry wade....if thats the case, then why did leBRONZE leave Cleveland and join WADES team if WADE wasn't good? You stupid mother fvcker, can't wait until you come to California in February so I can murk yo ass you ****** mother fvcker

[Dr Hawk]

Dubeta....we know what your bitch ass is trying to do, make it seem like leBRONZE had no help and he had to carry wade....if thats the case, then why did leBRONZE leave Cleveland and join WADES team if WADE wasn't good? You stupid mother fvcker, can't wait until you come to California in February so I can murk yo ass you ****** mother fvcker

http://i.imgur.com/i1Ok6qN.gif

[20Four]

http://i.imgur.com/i1Ok6qN.gif
I already offered him ill pay for his ticket to come to California to box me. He just has to sign waivers or we wont box, then ill post it on youtube. But he said "wait til february" like wtf? I already said Ill pay for you to come here. Unless you want to come out here? If you do PM me

[GrapeApe]

Lol u listed 2010 twice


Fail



2012 he wasn't a superstar Third in the league in PER. Highest PER for a second option guard IN HISTORY.


2005 is questionable In no way, shape, or form questionable.



So at best he was a superstar for 5 seasons'05, '06, '07, '09, '10, '11, '12. I'll even omit '13 so AT WORST 7 superstar seasons.

:cheers:

[catch24]

:cheers:

Get em, bro :pimp:

[Akhenaten]

Nah, gotta include 05 and 11, every other year is debatable I guess.

[dubeta]

Nah, gotta include 05 and 11, every other year is debatable I guess.

Nice display pic :cheers:

[red1]

dwade is a beast

[KG215]

lebron = 0 titles without top 26 all time player dwyane wade


kobe = 2 titles without a top 80 all time sidekick




:lol
Relative to era and competition, Kobe's supporting cast in 2009 and 2010 is on par with LeBron's supporting cast in 2012 and 2013.

[GrapeApe]

Nah, gotta include 05 and 11, every other year is debatable I guess.

There's really no debate in 2012. It's become ridiculously underrated. Wade had the third best PER in the league at 26.3 which is nearly unheard of for a second option. For historical perspective, he

[Doranku]

Relative to era and competition, Kobe's supporting cast in 2009 and 2010 is on par with LeBron's supporting cast in 2012 and 2013.
:roll:

Yeah, Bron steamrolling the garbage east with the second best player in the conference and all-star Chris Bosh is comparable to Kobe facing a bunch of 50+ win Western Conference teams with Pau Gasol and a crackhead.

:facepalm

[dubeta]

:roll:

Yeah, Bron steamrolling the garbage east with the second best player in the conference and all-star Chris Bosh is comparable to Kobe facing a bunch of 50+ win Western Conference teams with Pau Gasol and a crackhead.

:facepalm

2010 playoffs

Pau Gasol 21pts 11 rebounds 2 blocks 52% FG


2013 playoffs

Wade 15 points 45% FG

Bosh 12 points 6 rebounds



Gasol was better than Wade and Bosh combined. Sit the F*ck down :oldlol:

[DoctorP]

Gasol >> Wade


Odom >>> Bosh


Bynum + Artest >>>> rest of the Heat


Phil Jackson >>> Spoelstra


Yet Kobe still only made 3 finals compared to LeBrons 4 in 4 years



And he wasn't even the best player on the team :lol



boom.

[GrapeApe]

2010 playoffs

Pau Gasol 21pts 11 rebounds 2 blocks 52% FG


2013 playoffs

Wade 15 points 45% FG

Bosh 12 points 6 rebounds



Gasol was better than Wade and Bosh combined. Sit the F*ck down :oldlol:

Nobody disputes that Wade and Bosh struggled for much of the 2013 playoffs, but is it really that hard to post the correct numbers? Plus, Lebron stans love posting Wade's overall 2013 playoff numbers when they know damn well the first two rounds were basically irrelevant.

In the ECF and finals Wade averaged a combined 18/5/5 on 46% with 1.7 steals and 1.2 blocks including excellent performances in both game 7's. Not superstar numbers and certainly sub-par for his standards, but solid all-star second option numbers nonetheless. Several teams have won titles with similar production from their second option. The bone bruise injury he played through is no joke either, and he still played 36 mpg throughout the playoffs.

Like a reverse fish story, pretty soon Lebron stans will claim Wade's 2013 playoff numbers to be 12/4/3 on 43%, then 10/3/2 on 39%, and eventually down around 5/2/1 on 28% with 9 TO's per game.

[JT123]

2010 playoffs

Pau Gasol 21pts 11 rebounds 2 blocks 52% FG


2013 playoffs

Wade 15 points 45% FG

Bosh 12 points 6 rebounds



Gasol was better than Wade and Bosh combined. Sit the F*ck down :oldlol:
:applause: rat poison

[JT123]

Nobody disputes that Wade and Bosh struggled for much of the 2013 playoffs, but is it really that hard to post the correct numbers? Plus, Lebron stans love posting Wade's overall 2013 playoff numbers when they know damn well the first two rounds were basically irrelevant.

In the ECF and finals Wade averaged a combined 18/5/5 on 46% with 1.7 steals and 1.2 blocks including excellent performances in both game 7's. Not superstar numbers and certainly sub-par for his standards, but solid all-star second option numbers nonetheless. The bone bruise injury he played through is no joke either, and he still played 36 mpg throughout the playoffs.

Like a reverse fish story, pretty soon Lebron stans will claim Wade's 2013 playoff numbers to be 12/4/3 on 43%, then 10/3/2 on 39%, and eventually down around 5/2/1 on 28% with 9 TO's per game.
:biggums: :facepalm Yet when Lebron puts up better stats in the Finals you wanna claim it's the greatest choke in NBA history? You Wade stans really are something else. :rolleyes:

[IllegalD]

2010 playoffs

Pau Gasol 21pts 11 rebounds 2 blocks 52% FG


2013 playoffs

Wade 15 points 45% FG

Bosh 12 points 6 rebounds



Gasol was better than Wade and Bosh combined. Sit the F*ck down :oldlol:

Why cherry pick seasons?

How about Wade in 2011? When he was on his way to a 2nd Finals MVP until LeBron couldn't even be a good enough Pippen to help him out.

[GrapeApe]

:biggums: :facepalm Yet when Lebron puts up better stats in the Finals you wanna claim it's the greatest choke in NBA history? You Wade stans really are something else. :rolleyes:

Stop being willfully ignorant. Lebron's overall numbers have NEVER been the issue. His stans love to use that strawman. Lebron's disappearing act in crunch time is what's inexplicable. If he stepped up in the 2011 finals the way Wade did at crucial times in the 2013 finals the Heat probably sweep the series.

[greatest-ever]

I find it funny that the OP excludes 2011 where he was still in his prime and a clear top 5 player in the league. Sure his numbers were down a little, but that's going to happen when you're playing with Lebron and Bosh. He was still having superstar impact, and was basically at the same level as in 2010 where you can argue he was the 2nd best player behind Lebron.

Wade was clearly a superstar in 2005, and maybe 2012 but that's debatable because he was a little inconsistent in the playoffs and clearly lost a step from what he was in 2011.

[GrapeApe]

I find it funny that the OP excludes 2011 where he was still in his prime and a clear top 5 player in the league. Sure his numbers were down a little, but that's going to happen when you're playing with Lebron and Bosh. He was still having superstar impact, and was basically at the same level as in 2010 where you can argue he was the 2nd best player behind Lebron.

Wade was clearly a superstar in 2005, [/B]and maybe 2012 but that's debatable because he was a little inconsistent in the playoffs and clearly lost a step from what he was in 2011.[/B]

Again, he was absolutely still a superstar in 2012 and in some ways even better than 2011 (as explained in my post on the previous page). He battled some injuries but his production was elite. He actually had a higher PER than 2011 and imo was slightly better overall defensively. For a second option to finish 3rd in the league in PER is remarkable (and unprecidented). His playoff run was also outstanding, and save for one game he averaged 24/6/5/1.8/1.3 on 47%. He may have slowed down slightly in 2012, but any tangible loss of step didn't happen until late in 2013 after the bone bruise injury.

All in all, the OP was reckd as usual. Wade had 7 full superstar seasons and 8 superstar regular seasons.

[DoctorP]

Wade did not have a long prime but is having a solid career.

[miggyme1]

Stop being willfully ignorant. Lebron's overall numbers have NEVER been the issue. His stans love to use that strawman. Lebron's disappearing act in crunch time is what's inexplicable. If he stepped up in the 2011 finals the way Wade did at crucial times in the 2013 finals the Heat probably sweep the series.


smh.....the heat were not beating that mavs team im sorry. im so sick of everybody making it seem like the heat lost that series like it was theirs to win. lets not forget the mavs had no caron butler and still beat the heat.....a HEALTHY heat team at that.

[aj1987]

smh.....the heat were not beating that mavs team im sorry. im so sick of everybody making it seem like the heat lost that series like it was theirs to win. lets not forget the mavs had no caron butler and still beat the heat.....a HEALTHY heat team at that.
The Heat were basically 1 Wade missed 3 away from being up 3-0. If LeBron managed to score more than ~10 points over 6 4th Q's, the Heat would've wrecked the Mav's. Heck, in game 5, the Heat were up by 4 with 4 minutes to go and LeBron happened. Dude missed 2 shots and had 2 TOV's and the momentum completely shifted. LeBron scored 2 points in that 4th Q. Game 6, the Mav's were up only 7 with over 5 minutes left.

Miami would've wrecked the Mav's, if it wasn't for LeBron disappearing in the 4th.

[TonyMontana]

2005-2011.

By that I mean 2004-2005 was his first year as a superstar. Yeah he was one as a sophomore. Team probably would have won the title if he didn't get hurt.

2010-2011 was his last year as a superstar. He wasn't really the same after that, after he accepted his sidekick role and declined at the same time.

[SouBeachTalents]

smh.....the heat were not beating that mavs team im sorry. im so sick of everybody making it seem like the heat lost that series like it was theirs to win. lets not forget the mavs had no caron butler and still beat the heat.....a HEALTHY heat team at that.

One of the dumbest things I've ever read on ISH. That series was absolutely the Heats to take, they won Games 1 & 3 and had big 4th quarter leads in Games 1 & 4. It sounds like this guy didn't even watch the series

[WayOfWade]

2005-2011.

By that I mean 2004-2005 was his first year as a superstar. Yeah he was one as a sophomore. Team probably would have won the title if he didn't get hurt.

2010-2011 was his last year as a superstar. He wasn't really the same after that, after he accepted his sidekick role and declined at the same time.
Quality post :cheers:

[GrapeApe]

2005-2011.

By that I mean 2004-2005 was his first year as a superstar. Yeah he was one as a sophomore. Team probably would have won the title if he didn't get hurt.

2010-2011 was his last year as a superstar. He wasn't really the same after that, after he accepted his sidekick role and declined at the same time.

Hmm, I haven't seen one of your posts in a while but what you said there is surprisingly fair. Perhaps your heel days are over. We can get into the semantics of "superstar" but I still maintain that Wade was an elite player even after he became a full time second option. For some reason Wade's "decline" has always been highly exaggerated, particularly in 2012 and the 2013 regular season. He lost a touch of explosiveness but he made up for it with elite skill, intelligence, and off-ball play. The numbers indicate he was still very much a top 10 player in 2012 and 2013.

Even with a reduced role he posted consecutive seasons finishing top 10 in PER (3rd and 7th). Wade is the only second option to EVER do that. It's pretty much impossible to have consecutive years with that kind of PER ranking and not be a superstar. It just doesn't happen, and if you look at the list of modern era players to do it they are all HOF'ers or future HOF'ers.

The one thing that can be held against him is the missed games, which admittedly were starting to mount by 2012. However, when he was on the court his production was unquestionably at superstar level. People incorrectly assume that since Wade acquiesced his role he must have declined. Given the age gap, it was already planned when they teamed up. Though Wade's health issues may have accelerated the process, Lebron was reaching his peak and there's very few players in history who wouldn't be a second option to peak Lebron. Wade accepted and relished his new role, becoming an all time great second option.

[Mike Armstrong]

2005-2011.

By that I mean 2004-2005 was his first year as a superstar. Yeah he was one as a sophomore. Team probably would have won the title if he didn't get hurt.

2010-2011 was his last year as a superstar. He wasn't really the same after that, after he accepted his sidekick role and declined at the same time.

Yarp.

[WayOfWade]

Hmm, I haven't seen one of your posts in a while but what you said there is surprisingly fair. Perhaps your heel days are over. We can get into the semantics of "superstar" but I still maintain that Wade was an elite player even after he became a full time second option. For some reason Wade's "decline" has always been highly exaggerated, particularly in 2012 and the 2013 regular season. He lost a touch of explosiveness but he made up for it with elite skill, intelligence, and off-ball play. The numbers indicate he was still very much a top 10 player in 2012 and 2013.

Even with a reduced role he posted consecutive seasons finishing top 10 in PER (3rd and 7th). Wade is the only second option to EVER do that. It's pretty much impossible to have consecutive years with that kind of PER ranking and not be a superstar. It just doesn't happen, and if you look at the list of modern era players to do it they are all HOF'ers or future HOF'ers.

The one thing that can be held against him is the missed games, which admittedly were starting to mount by 2012. However, when he was on the court his production was unquestionably at superstar level. People incorrectly assume that since Wade acquiesced his role he must have declined. Given the age gap, it was already planned when they teamed up. Though Wade's health issues may have accelerated the process, Lebron was reaching his peak and there's very few players in history who wouldn't be a second option to peak Lebron. Wade accepted and relished his new role, becoming an all time great second option.
That really is what it comes down to, can you consider him a superstar even though he was a 2nd option? I'd say yes, he was still a superstar, only he didn't have the ability to put up superstar numbers due to LeBron and the need to step down so that the team could win. If you want to hold that against wade however and count him as no longer a superstar in those seasons, that's a fair point due to time missed and role in his team.

[GrapeApe]

That really is what it comes down to, can you consider him a superstar even though he was a 2nd option? I'd say yes, he was still a superstar, only he didn't have the ability to put up superstar numbers due to LeBron and the need to step down so that the team could win. If you want to hold that against wade however and count him as no longer a superstar in those seasons, that's a fair point due to time missed and role in his team.

Agreed, and I don't think there's any question that a second option can still be a superstar. One of Wade's greatest attributes was his ability to adapt to a new role and still play at an elite level. That's not easy for any player, much less a player of Wade's caliber. He's one of the few all time greats who was successfully able make that transition and redefine his game. Magic has even called him the most adaptable superstar in history, and others have echoed that sentiment as well. It's an aspect of his career that is often overlooked.

[ballinhun8]

You guys absolutely destroyed dubeta/JT


They went ghost real quick in this thread

[dubeta]

You guys absolutely destroyed dubeta/JT


They went ghost real quick in this thread

Not really, if this wasnt a legit question it wouldnt have gone 7 pages



There still isnt a legit answer to if Wade was a superstar for more than 4 seasons, so its a complex issue

[Hey Yo]

Again, he was absolutely still a superstar in 2012 and in some ways even better than 2011 (as explained in my post on the previous page). He battled some injuries but his production was elite. He actually had a higher PER than 2011 and imo was slightly better overall defensively. For a second option to finish 3rd in the league in PER is remarkable (and unprecidented). His playoff run was also outstanding, and save for one game he averaged 24/6/5/1.8/1.3 on 47%. He may have slowed down slightly in 2012, but any tangible loss of step didn't happen until late in 2013 after the bone bruise injury.

All in all, the OP was reckd as usual. Wade had 7 full superstar seasons and 8 superstar regular seasons.
2012 reg. season was shortened to 66gms due to the lockout. Wade played 49 games (missed 17) that year.

Can't really say a player was a sure susperstar when missing that many games in an already shortened season.

[Papaya Petee]

Weird how Wade wasn't a superstar in 2011 when he was the best player on the Heat that season. 26/6/5/2/1 50% regular season. 24/7/4/2/1 playoffs which included a
22/9/5/3/1 series
30/7/5/3/2 series
27/7/5/2/1 series

Only 1 poor series vs Chicago.

Appereantly 24/7/5/2/1 47% FG regular season on a 59-23 team and a 27/7/6/2/1 47% playoffs one injury away from the finals isnt a superstar season either.

Oh well
2005-2012 Wade as a superstar
2013- present hes an allstar (20/5/5/1/.5 while making all star starts is all star)
2004 he was the best rookie in the league (i don't give a **** about rookie of the year award. Led his team to the 2nd round as a rookie averaging 21/6/4 vs Indiana hitting 2 game winners in the first round while LeClown and Melo were watching from their TVs)

Superstar for 4 seasons :facepalm

[HighFlyer23]

He was only a legit superstar for 3 seasons or so

[Papaya Petee]

He was only a legit superstar for 3 seasons or so
And your mom only loved you for 3 days, then you became a prom night dumpster baby.

[SouBeachTalents]

And your mom only loved you for 3 days, then you became a prom night dumpster baby.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U_sKX4Lzdxc

[GrapeApe]

He was only a legit superstar for 3 seasons or so

:facepalm

You're either trolling or you haven't read through this thread, because it's been thoroughly established (backed by actual quantifiable evidence) that Wade was a superstar for 7 to 8 seasons. Since it apparently bears repeating, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, and the 2013 regular season.

Papaya Petee also made a great point about Wade as a rookie. I don't understand why, but his rookie season is often glossed over when discussing his career. He helped the Heat improve from 25 wins to 42 wins, led them to the ECSF, hit multiple game winners in the first round, and put up all-star numbers against the DPOY while pushing the 61 win Pacers to 6 games. When taking the playoffs into consideration, he has a strong case for being the top rookie of 2004.

[aj1987]

Grape and Papaya killin' all the idiots ITT.

[oti]

Weird how Wade wasn't a superstar in 2011 when he was the best player on the Heat that season. 26/6/5/2/1 50% regular season. 24/7/4/2/1 playoffs which included a
22/9/5/3/1 series
30/7/5/3/2 series
27/7/5/2/1 series

Only 1 poor series vs Chicago.

Appereantly 24/7/5/2/1 47% FG regular season on a 59-23 team and a 27/7/6/2/1 47% playoffs one injury away from the finals isnt a superstar season either.

Oh well
2005-2012 Wade as a superstar
2013- present hes an allstar (20/5/5/1/.5 while making all star starts is all star)
2004 he was the best rookie in the league (i don't give a **** about rookie of the year award. Led his team to the 2nd round as a rookie averaging 21/6/4 vs Indiana hitting 2 game winners in the first round while LeClown and Melo were watching from their TVs)

Superstar for 4 seasons :facepalm

This.

For anyone else you are either trolling or just plain stupid.

Thread backfired hard for LeBeta stans. They still cant believe their god couldn't make the playoffs in his first 2 years while Wade was hitting playoff game winners and taking his team to the ECF.

I'm not even gonna start with the 2011 finals. That was when i lost any respect i had for LeScared.

It's a shame injuries somewhat put a question mark on his career because in his prime he was top10 GOAT material.

Still Kobe >>>