if kobes 93rd-163rd.. where do these guys rank

[kennethgriffin]

Damien Lillard = 21ppg/6apg on 43%

Dermar Derozan = 20ppg/3apg on 41%

Victor Oladipo = 18ppg/4apg on 43%

kyle Lowry = 18ppg/6apg on 41%

Brandon Knight = 17ppg/5apg on 42%

Isaiah Thomas = 16ppg/4apg on 42%

kevin love = 16ppg/2apg on 43%

mike conley = 16ppg/5apg on 44%








kobe bryant = 20-23ppg/5-6apg on 41-42% (Projected*)


i mean.. seriously.. kobe isnt all that bad.










http://theshoegame.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/kobe-bryant-best-sneaker-moments-happy-36th-birthday.jpg

[Fallen Angel]

https://i.gyazo.com/6c18437f25496ed7640fddcc64223f52.png

[Uncle Drew]

The Lakers are 14 points per 100 possessions better with Kobe off the court this season than they are with Kobe on the court. Among all players with at least 1,000 minutes this season, only Kobe's teammate Jordan Hill has had a more negative effect on his team's production than Bryant himself.

Kobe ranks among the worst players in the league this season in a number of categories:

• 124th in field goal percentage (third-worst among qualified players)

• 103rd in 3-point percentage (fifth-worst)

• 74th in player efficiency rating

• 361st in win shares

Kobe's 0.1 win shares are the fewest of the 73 players to play at least 1,200 minutes this season[

[kennethgriffin]

https://i.gyazo.com/6c18437f25496ed7640fddcc64223f52.png


the low fg% is what separated kobe last year

if he just rises it up to 41-42% hes basically damien lillard.. a top 15 player in the league


f*cking hilarious

:lol


i love analytics

:rolleyes:

[kennethgriffin]

The Lakers are 14 points per 100 possessions better with Kobe off the court this season than they are with Kobe on the court. Among all players with at least 1,000 minutes this season, only Kobe's teammate Jordan Hill has had a more negative effect on his team's production than Bryant himself.

Kobe ranks among the worst players in the league this season in a number of categories:

• 124th in field goal percentage (third-worst among qualified players)

• 103rd in 3-point percentage (fifth-worst)

• 74th in player efficiency rating

• 361st in win shares

Kobe's 0.1 win shares are the fewest of the 73 players to play at least 1,200 minutes this season[


kobe sucked last year


he played most of it rehabbing his leg and playing with a torn shoulder. and still hadnt fully overcome the achilles


we'l see if he sucks again. but i doubt it


its real easy to kick a guy when hes down

[Fallen Angel]

https://i.gyazo.com/0aabd914c01462a7369061e5369c15ce.png

[kennethgriffin]

https://i.gyazo.com/0aabd914c01462a7369061e5369c15ce.png



i also expect kobe to be much better than last year


:confusedshrug:

[kennethgriffin]

if kobe shoots over 41% with around 20ppg and 4-5apg


hes doing a great job. period


otherwise all those other guys suck donkey d*ck

[buddha]

https://i.gyazo.com/6c18437f25496ed7640fddcc64223f52.png

lol @ espn projections all they do is subtract two points for older players and add two points for younger players. true story.

[catch24]

Most of those guys bring a lot more to the table than JUST scoring.

Kobe will be better than projected, but your reasoning is irrational...

[Mr. Jabbar]

We're giving ESPN too much credit here. This ranking, like everything they've done, holds zero credibility.

[Fallen Angel]

Pretty hard to find a comparable player to Kobe.

He's inefficient.
He's a negative defender.
He's turnover prone.
He can easily turn into a black hole on offense.

Kobe Bryant could be comparable to Derrick Rose. Congratulations.

[kennethgriffin]

Pretty hard to find a comparable player to Kobe.

He's inefficient.
He's a negative defender.
He's turnover prone.
He can easily turn into a black hole on offense.

Kobe Bryant could be comparable to Derrick Rose. Congratulations.



a) kobe can and will be just as efficient as any of those other guys mentioned

b) kobes defense isnt elite anymore. but its not like anyones dropping more than 8-10 ppg on him nightly

c) kobe averaged 3 turnovers for his 6apg last year .. big deal

d) kobe only hogs when he has sh*t teammates. i feel this year will be a different story

[outbreak]

Damien Lillard = 21ppg/6apg on 43%

Dermar Derozan = 20ppg/3apg on 41%

Victor Oladipo = 18ppg/4apg on 43%

kyle Lowry = 18ppg/6apg on 41%

Brandon Knight = 17ppg/5apg on 42%

Isaiah Thomas = 16ppg/4apg on 42%

kevin love = 16ppg/2apg on 43%

mike conley = 16ppg/5apg on 44%








kobe bryant = 20-23ppg/5-6apg on 41-42% (Projected*)


i mean.. seriously.. kobe isnt all that bad.










http://theshoegame.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/kobe-bryant-best-sneaker-moments-happy-36th-birthday.jpg
https://38.media.tumblr.com/507be937bd33343f39b0f40ecb24e11d/tumblr_nvwi1rK9bR1s02vreo1_250.gif

Oladipo is predicted to score 38ppg 16apg on 68% espn are crazy for not having him number one

[Tking714]

Marcus smart was ranked 85th? Tyreke Evans 87th?

Someone needs to convince me that these two players are better than ANY version of Kobe we're gonna see.

[kennethgriffin]

Marcus smart was ranked 85th? Tyreke Evans 87th?

Someone needs to convince me that these two players are better than ANY version of Kobe we're gonna see.

marcus smart 2014-15 = 7.8ppg, 3.3rpg, 3.1apg, 36.7fg%




ESPN says this is better than kobe bryant?



:lol

[Uncle Drew]

Marcus smart was ranked 85th? Tyreke Evans 87th?

Someone needs to convince me that these two players are better than ANY version of Kobe we're gonna see.
They don't hurt their team when they are on the court. Not to mention that it's a projection. Smart will only get better, since he's a 21 y/o sophomore, while Kobe is old as dirt and will only decline worse.

[Uncle Drew]

marcus smart 2014-15 = 7.8ppg, 3.3rpg, 3.1apg, 36.7fg%




ESPN says this is better than kobe bryant?



:lol
Kobe:
OffRtg: 100.4
DefRtg: 112.6
NetRtg: -12.2

Smart:
OffRtg: 103.7
DefRtg: 101.3
NetRtg: 2.5

Yep, that is definitely better than Kobe Bryant.

[Dr Hawk]

Marcus Smart > Kobe Bryant

IT's official

[Uncle Drew]

The Lakers are better when Kobe doesn't play. What happens if he actually doesn't play you're asking? They blow out the future champs: http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400578718

What happens if he does play? They lose by 21, with Kobe taking more than 33% of the teams shots, missing more than half of them, being a -33 in his time on the court. http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201411160LAL.html

:applause:

[Tking714]

They don't hurt their team when they are on the court. Not to mention that it's a projection. Smart will only get better, since he's a 21 y/o sophomore, while Kobe is old as dirt and will only decline worse.

Are u seriously justifying 7ppg by saying he doesn't "hurt" his team?

He doesn't help either. U throw Kobe on the celtics and they score 15- 20 more ppg easy.

[Uncle Drew]

Are u seriously justifying 7ppg by saying he doesn't "hurt" his team?

He doesn't help either. U throw Kobe on the celtics and they score 15- 20 more ppg easy.
And they allow more than 30 too. Job well done. In DRPM, Kobe is ranked 451st, out of 474.

[kennethgriffin]

Kobe:
OffRtg: 100.4
DefRtg: 112.6
NetRtg: -12.2

Smart:
OffRtg: 103.7
DefRtg: 101.3
NetRtg: 2.5

Yep, that is definitely better than Kobe Bryant.



this is why analytics are going nowhere fast
:roll:

[Tking714]

And they allow more than 30 too. Job well done. In DRPM, Kobe is ranked 451st, out of 474.

DRPM depends on the lineup that's out on the floor with that player as well. kobe was out there with boozer and sacre when he played. Nearly useless stat/heavily flawed stat.

[kennethgriffin]

based on analytics ... the water/towel boy is a better baskeball player than lebron james during nights he doesnt shoot well

because 0/0/0 on 0fgas is less of a negative impact




:oldlol:



i'm officially a better finals player than lebron in 2015


he shot 37%

i didnt take a shot... i deserve fmvp votes damnit

[Dr Hawk]

based on analytics ... the water/towel boy is a better baskeball player than lebron james during nights he doesnt shoot well

because 0/0/0 on 0fgas is less of a negative impact




:oldlol:



i'm officially a better finals player than lebron in 2015


he shot 37%

i didnt take a shot... i deserve fmvp votes damnit

Meltdown

[Tking714]

based on analytics ... the water/towel boy is a better baskeball player than lebron james during nights he doesnt shoot well

because 0/0/0 on 0fgas is less of a negative impact




:oldlol:



i'm officially a better finals player than lebron in 2015


he shot 37%

i didnt take a shot... i deserve fmvp votes damnit

Prime Fisher >> Prime kobe because he didn't mess up the flow of the game

[kennethgriffin]

Meltdown



technically by ESPN ranking standards


i deserve a higher finals ranking than lebron james


i hurt the cavs less than lebron did


:lol

i am currently a better player.


ANALYTICS

[Uncle Drew]

DRPM depends on the lineup that's out on the floor with that player as well. kobe was out there with boozer and sacre when he played. Nearly useless stat/heavily flawed stat.
Sacre actually was a positive when on the court, whereas Kobe was a 3.06 negative. Sacre also had a DefRtg of 102.2.

[Dr Hawk]

technically by ESPN ranking standards


i deserve a higher finals ranking than lebron james


i hurt the cavs less than lebron did


:lol

Cavs won 2 thanks to Lebron.

[kennethgriffin]

Prime Fisher >> Prime kobe because he didn't mess up the flow of the game


damn i never thought of it this way


adam morrison might have been the lakers real finals mvp in 2010


he didnt miss a single shot




ANALYTICS!

:applause:

[kennethgriffin]

Cavs won 2 thanks to Lebron.


more like .... thanks to me



if it wasnt for me not missing a single shot.. who knows where lebrons sh*t percentages would have taken that team

[Uncle Drew]

Meltdown. :roll:

[Tking714]

Sacre actually was a positive when on the court, whereas Kobe was a 3.06 negative. Sacre also had a DefRtg of 102.2.

no he wasn't. going by your analytics argument Sacre had an rpm of -1.02

are you cherrypicking your analytics? :no:

[Uncle Drew]

no he wasn't. going by your analytics argument Sacre had an rpm of -1.47

are you cherrypicking your analytics? :no:
RPM =/= DRPM

[kennethgriffin]

espn.com



where a player with 0.1ppg on 100% shooting for the season is better than 23/5/6 on 39% because of net negative impact formula


mike penburthy = GOAT?

[kennethgriffin]

RPM =/= DRPM


RPM =/3 over DPER USAGE win share advanced 2 for 6 +/- RAW is WAR net negative ( T to the power of 5 ) means... sasha vujacic is the greatest center of all time

[kennethgriffin]

http://blogwillhunting.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/gwh_mirror.jpg

yes..... ok ..... mhmmm




http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_fM0L9abY3bo/SKnNMZlNoWI/AAAAAAAAAEA/wpQcNY6zDAU/s320/nochalk.jpg



almost got it.... just a few more calculations






http://www.papodecinema.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/20140718-genio-indomavel-papo-de-cinema-06.jpg




i just proved marcus smart is better than kobe bryant

[Dr Hawk]

Kobe's already a huge, inmense black hole on defense + inefficient scorer (even more) + ball stopper + attempts ridiculously bad shots.

BTW, a player with 10ppg on .40 FG% can help a team a LOT more than Kobe is right now thanks to defense and intangibles. Would anyone take Kobe over Draymond Green?

[Uncle Drew]

Kobe's already a huge, inmense black hole on defense + inefficient scorer (even more) + ball stopper + attempts ridiculously bad shots.

BTW, a player with 10ppg on .40 FG% can help a team a LOT more than Kobe is right now thanks to defense and intangibles. Would anyone take Kobe over Draymond Green?
I would definitely take Kobe over Draymond Green. Who wouldn't want 19ppg on 35% shooting while being a complete no show on the defensive end.

How great is our God?

[kennethgriffin]

Kobe's already a huge, inmense black hole on defense + inefficient scorer (even more) + ball stopper + attempts ridiculously bad shots.

BTW, a player with 10ppg on .40 FG% can help a team a LOT more than Kobe is right now thanks to defense and intangibles. Would anyone take Kobe over Draymond Green?






https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/60/e9/af/60e9af91c0d87207e58bb3bb5fac6b51.jpg




bunch of f*cking matt damons in here


writing out math equations to cope with their rough childhood




https://1john417.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/robin-williams.jpg



http://i.ytimg.com/vi/dfXpRn8uFL8/hqdefault.jpg

[Dr Hawk]

I would definitely take Kobe over Draymond Green. Who wouldn't want 19ppg on 35% shooting while being a complete no show on the defensive end.

How great is our God?


:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

Every time our gawd makes a basket:

https://media.giphy.com/media/mA10sco0hGFaM/giphy.gif


Amazonas keeps shrinking for a reason

[kennethgriffin]

I would definitely take Kobe over Draymond Green. Who wouldn't want 19ppg on 35% shooting while being a complete no show on the defensive end.

How great is our God?

https://coubsecure-a.akamaihd.net/get/bucket:32.11/p/coub/simple/cw_timeline_pic/c1ec46b8b9d/43d216b1a3b8b731c598d/big_1407945022_image.jpg

poor little equation kids

[Dr Hawk]

The meltdown is real :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


KENNETH, KOBE OR DRAYMOND GREEN, WHO DO OYU TAKE?

[Uncle Drew]

:roll:

Poor, poor Kenneth.

[kennethgriffin]

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

Every time our gawd makes a basket:

https://media.giphy.com/media/mA10sco0hGFaM/giphy.gif


Amazonas keeps shrinking for a reason



http://i.ytimg.com/vi/t7ahvOQJqCU/maxresdefault.jpg

[kennethgriffin]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/01/31/article-1352263-0CFB6C8A000005DC-740_468x603.jpg


anythings possible


if goodPER hunting can shake kobes hand. so can even the harshest stat geek

[Tking714]

Dude. Kenneth. We were doing Ok with our argument until you freaked out :lol

[outbreak]

Bargnani contributes more wins than kobe

[kennethgriffin]

http://www.okmoviequotes.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Good-Will-Hunting-quotes-5.gif



http://www.twelvebytwelve.net/gwh-images/gwh-01651-detail.jpg

[kennethgriffin]

Bargnani contributes more wins than kobe


less is more


= analytics

[kennethgriffin]

http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/usa/images-2/matt-damon-good-will-hunting.jpg


mhmm.. yup almost got it

now... just calculating per...

1. Michael Jordan* 28.60
2. George Mikan* 28.51
3. LeBron James 27.43
4. Shaquille O'Neal 26.13
5. Hakeem Olajuwon* 25.69
6. Chris Paul 25.16
7. Tim Duncan 24.58
8. Kevin Durant 24.35
9. Charles Barkley* 24.18
10. Dirk Nowitzki 23.98
11. Tracy McGrady 23.40
12. Dolph Schayes* 23.29
13. Dwight Howard 23.13
14. Jerry West* 23.06
15. David Robinson* 23.02
16. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 23.01
17. Magic Johnson* 22.95
18. Russell Westbrook 22.75
19. Wilt Chamberlain* 22.75
20. Dwyane Wade 22.70
21. Bob Pettit* 22.59
22. Kobe Bryant 22.40
23. Stephen Curry 22.24
24. Amar'e Stoudemire 22.08
25. Julius Erving* 22.05
26. Blake Griffin 22.01
27. Elgin Baylor* 21.83
28. Rick Barry* 21.81
29. Moses Malone* 21.57
30. Larry Bird* 21.41
31. Baron Davis 21.36
32. Allen Iverson 21.24
33. George Gervin* 21.16
34. Karl Malone* 21.12
35. Kevin Garnett 21.12
36. Oscar Robertson* 20.99
37. James Harden 20.98
38. Bob Lanier* 20.81
39. Pau Gasol 20.73
40. George Yardley* 20.72
41. Cliff Hagan* 20.62
42. Shawn Kemp 20.55
43. Gus Williams 20.37
44. Artis Gilmore* 20.36
45. Paul Arizin* 20.33
46. Dan Issel* 20.07
47. Carmelo Anthony 19.94
48. Alex English* 19.92
49. Walter Davis 19.91
50. John Stockton* 19.84
51. Walt Frazier* 19.84
52. Steve Nash 19.84
53. Isiah Thomas* 19.80
54. Manu Ginobili 19.79
55. Anfernee Hardaway 19.76
56. George McGinnis 19.73
57. Clyde Lovellette* 19.72
58. Clyde Drexler* 19.71
59. Patrick Ewing* 19.63
60. Reggie Miller* 19.55
61. Bill Russell* 19.40


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dear god... i just proved bill russell isn't a top 50 player all time

[outbreak]

How do you measure russells per when blocks steals and offensive rebounds weren't counted in his era?

[Dr Hawk]

kenneth http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/degrassi/images/a/a0/Calm_down.gif

We love you. You need tro lower that blood pressure. Shhhh, calm down, everything is fine now.

[lil jahlil]

In short: Above Kobe.

[Dr Hawk]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/01/31/article-1352263-0CFB6C8A000005DC-740_468x603.jpg


anythings possible


if goodPER hunting can shake kobes hand. so can even the harshest stat geek

The basketball looks huge on Kobe's little hands.

[ISHGoat]

lmao kenneth melting down

Marcus Smart this season > Kobe this season

[dubeta]

Honestly, if anyone of us somehow made the league, we'd have a higher PER/Winshares than Kobe

[KG215]

this is why analytics are going nowhere fast
:roll:
Because they don't fit your biased agenda?

Makes sense.

[kennethgriffin]

Because they don't fit your biased agenda?

Makes sense.


you act like analytics aren't biased towards guys who are invisible... just as long as they don't "get in the way"


and averaging 1/1/1/1/1 on 44% is better than averaging 20/0/0/0/0 on 42%










yup... dj mbenga is really a top 10 player all time

[catch24]

you act like analytics aren't biased towards guys who are invisible... just as long as they don't "get in the way"


and averaging 1/1/1/1/1 on 44% is better than averaging 20/0/0/0/0 on 42%










yup... dj mbenga is really a top 10 player all time

Could you give a hypothetical that isn't over-saturated with agenda?

Also, when did raw individual numbers become analytics?

[kennethgriffin]

Based on analytics... lebron played excellent in the 2011 nba finals










Hate to break it to people... but stats lie


People who protect their efficiency sometimes hurt their teams more than they help

[catch24]

Based on analytics... lebron played excellent in the 2011 nba finals










Hate to break it to people... but stats lie


People who protect their efficiency sometimes hurt their teams more than they help

Which analytics suggest he played well?

:biggums: