Ron Artest on the NBA : "It's not really a man's game anymore"

[JohnMax]

I remember I came into the NBA in 1999, the game was a little bit more rough. The game now is more for kids. It

[AirTupac]

He's not wrong :confusedshrug:

I play harder than some of these rookies. Soft ass kids going out of the game cause they fell on the ground.

[Jameerthefear]

the funny thing about what he's saying is that back then players could come straight from highschool, now they have to play 1 year in college. so he's wrong in both ways

[Kobe_6/8]

He speaks the truth. These new players are okay with losing. They care about 'feelings' more than winning the game...

[TripleA]

It's sorta his fault for beating the shit out of fans.
:confusedshrug:

[Mike Armstrong]

It's sorta his fault for beating the shit out of fans.
:confusedshrug:
Yarp.

[Kobe_6/8]

the funny thing about what he's saying is that back then players could come straight from highschool, now they have to play 1 year in college. so he's wrong in both ways

A rookie drafted out of high school will play more of a 'mans game' off the bench in the NBA instead of MVP of a college team...

[Spurs m8]

Oh great, another washed up bloke having a whinge about how his prime was tougher than the current...this is something new

[CurryOverLebron]

Breaking News: bitter old man complains about "today's league," compares it negatively to when he was young and spry, and finds any excuse not to give today's players any credit. Rinse and repeat.

I swear, the NBA has the saltiest old players in sports.

[DaOldLion]

he's spot on especially about the aau stuff.

truth hurts. Just look at what is considered a flagrant foul these days and compare it to 10+ years ago.

[Young X]

He's right.

[$LakerGold]

Breaking News: bitter old man complains about "today's league," compares it negatively to when he was young and spry, and finds any excuse not to give today's players any credit. Rinse and repeat.

I swear, the NBA has the saltiest old players in sports.
You disagree then? The league today isn't soft?

[Asukal]

Pussyfied league. Players get a tech for every little tiny show of negative emotion. :whatever:

[TripleA]

Pussyfied league. Players get a tech for every little tiny show of negative emotion. :whatever:


I wonder why players get techs for displays of negative emotion.
Beats me.

http://media.mlive.com/pistons_impact/photo/si-coverjpg-51a8950e7dd9e3f7.jpg

[nathanjizzle]

i concur

[the mesiah]

I swear, the NBA has the saltiest old players in sports.
Nah, that label has,does,will always belong to Major League Baseball

[Asukal]

I wonder why players get techs for displays of negative emotion.
Beats me.

http://media.mlive.com/pistons_impact/photo/si-coverjpg-51a8950e7dd9e3f7.jpg

Who died? I suppose I should cry now? :whatever:

[DaOldLion]

this was called a regular foul

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gx_kqvy9nZA


this was called a flagrant

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q94xtYMoooA

[DonDadda59]

Aye... This is a Man's Game (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wLW2UwkcG4) :bowdown:

[buddha]

you can blame LeBron. he is the face of the league and the leader of the #betamovement. he's who the kids are watching.. he's their role model.

[Hey Yo]

Aye... This is a Man's Game (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wLW2UwkcG4) :bowdown:
Nice clip

[Paul George 24]

Lebron is soft mentally that 'a why he leaves Cleveland and Miami

[Goro]

Does his dumb ass not know that 80% of this is his fault?

[Cold soul]

He's right today's league is as soft as tissue paper it's a joke. I imagine the majority of today's players could not deal with physicality of 90-80's and beyond today's generation are babied.

[HighFlyer23]

The same n199@ ran away from Ben Wallace

[KembaWalker]

The same n199@ ran away from Ben Wallace

Who wouldn't?

[Bankaii]

The ironic part is that he's like 75% the reason.

The league became a lot stricter on restraining players' emotions and fights due to the malice in the palace.

[oh the horror]

The ironic part is that he's like 75% the reason.

The league became a lot stricter on restraining players' emotions and fights due to the malice in the palace.



Just came to say this. After that the league literally put the shackles on any type of altercation, emotion or hard fouls. You literally can't even yell now or you'll get a tech

[plowking]

I find it hilarious posters coming in here saying how much tougher it was back in the day.

Same shit was going on back in the day that is now. You got techs for taunting and hard fouls back then too... They probably allowed slightly more showmanship on aggressive plays and taunting back in the day, but as a whole, it is very similar.

[Rake2204]

Breaking News: bitter old man complains about "today's league," compares it negatively to when he was young and spry, and finds any excuse not to give today's players any credit. Rinse and repeat.It's definitely interesting to watch generations of NBA players age and see who says what about the current state of the league in hindsight. I think it has to be mostly nostalgia-driven and a conscious or subconscious way to continue to validate one's accomplishments or exploits in hindsight.

It's also interesting because when Ron Artest was a rookie, there were vets, fans, and media who would all criticize the current state of the game at that point as well; it was post-Jordan with no singular star to take the throne, alongside a sudden influx of high schoolers who weren't ready and supposedly didn't understand the fundamentals.

[oh the horror]

I find it hilarious posters coming in here saying how much tougher it was back in the day.

Same shit was going on back in the day that is now. You got techs for taunting and hard fouls back then too... They probably allowed slightly more showmanship on aggressive plays and taunting back in the day, but as a whole, it is very similar.




Just stop. You're embarrassing yourself. It is not even close to the same in terms of what they allow and will not allow. Just stop

[Bankaii]

I find it hilarious posters coming in here saying how much tougher it was back in the day.

Same shit was going on back in the day that is now. You got techs for taunting and hard fouls back then too... They probably allowed slightly more showmanship on aggressive plays and taunting back in the day, but as a whole, it is very similar.
No this is completely wrong.

Jordan got completely battered every game with no foul call. He had daily concussions. That's why he averages more free throws for his career than Lebron in both the regular season and playoffs, because the current league is nothing but refs.

[inclinerator]

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[JohnMax]

https://j.gifs.com/vq2Raj.gif

Why couldn't he do that against JJ Barea and the 2011 Mavericks?

[sportjames23]

It's sorta his fault for beating the shit out of fans.
:confusedshrug:


He was trying to make them tougher.

[dubeta]

https://j.gifs.com/vq2Raj.gif

Damn, little boy Artest got abused by LeThickd1ck James :oldlol:

[poido123]

Damn, little boy Artest got abused by LeThickd1ck James :oldlol:


Dubeta has more man in him than today's players :lol

[LakersForlife]

no shit its for kids. with all the prima dona superstars and bunch of floppers:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Gileraracer]

Our GAWD, the best player ever, LeBronze, is a known flopper, so I guess Metta is right about this one

[miggyme1]

i wouldnt call the league SOFT....i will say it is softer than it was but you cant be SOFT and play in the NBA at a high level. I hope when by soft he means some of the lesser none players who rarely play. You cant be a star in the nba and be soft. Also the rule changes have a lot to do with the way the game is played today.

If im not mistaken you use to could pack the paint for longer than 3 seconds, You could also back your man down for more than 5 seconds. Those two things right there made the game way more physical back then

[Goro]

I find it hilarious posters coming in here saying how much tougher it was back in the day.

Same shit was going on back in the day that is now. You got techs for taunting and hard fouls back then too... They probably allowed slightly more showmanship on aggressive plays and taunting back in the day, but as a whole, it is very similar.

Are you shitting me?

[julizaver]

[QUOTE=JohnMax]I remember I came into the NBA in 1999, the game was a little bit more rough. The game now is more for kids. It

[Rake2204]

I remember players from the 80s speaking about players from 90s and how they are crybabe millionaries, only thinking about money and some other stuff.
The same with players from 60s and 70s about players from 80s.
So it is cycle thing.Precisely. Right along with complaints of isolation basketball and those saying the game in '99 wasn't as tough as it was in the 80's. Then the folks from the 50's would begin complaining about all this newfangled dunking stuff in the 80's, and how if people tried that back in their day, they'd get submarined every time.

http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MzE0WDIzOQ==/$(KGrHqN,!jMFBlgDjRvQBQnzHfmc3g~~60_35.JPG

[ralph_i_el]

Well, I'm glad we have to opinion of a certified crazy person.

[OldSchoolBBall]

Aye... This is a Man's Game (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wLW2UwkcG4) :bowdown:

I have been trying for YEARS to find the name of the song/composition that plays from 3:51-4:35 in this video. The NBA uses it and some variations of it in many of their promo videos. Shazaam doesn't work either due to the voice-overs or it just doesn't have a record of it. Any help would be appreciated.

[DonDadda59]

I remember players from the 80s speaking about players from 90s and how they are crybabe millionaries, only thinking about money and some other stuff.
The same with players from 60s and 70s about players from 80s.
So it is cycle thing.

They have valid points though. Wilt Chamberlain was the biggest star in the NBA in the 60s and he was the highest paid player... getting $30,000 a year, which was actually less than what he made playing for the Globetrotters. Most guys had to have offseason jobs to support themselves. Bob Cousy chose to work as a Driver's Ed teacher rather than play for the NBA team that originally drafted him out of college.

Fast forward to the 90s and a teenage Kevin Garnett, drafted out of High School became a multi millionaire. So for a guy who had to work as a contractor in the offseason because he was getting paid the same as an High School teacher in the NBA, it must feel like a slap in the face to hear guys like Lattrell Sprewell say he can't feed his family on $10 million/year.

And the 70s NBA was a no-man's land. Everyone was coked up (or on LSD like Phil Jackson/Bill Walton) and brawls were common place. Rudy Tomjanovich almost died in one of those brawls on a basketball court. There was no such thing as a flagrant foul.

It's not just grumbing from grumpy old men.


I have been trying for YEARS to find the name of the song/composition that plays from 3:51-4:35 in this video. The NBA uses it and some variations of it in many of their promo videos. Shazaam doesn't work either due to the voice-overs or it just doesn't have a record of it. Any help would be appreciated.

Wish I could help. I've been trying to locate a song from Sports Century for years with no luck. :lol

[sdot_thadon]

Convenient that players like him have less of a place in the league now.

[Foster5k]

While picking his nose with a razor blade and singing the words to Barney's I Love You song, Ron Artest thinks of NBA days old, "Damn, it's not like it use to be."

[DonDadda59]

Convenient that players like him have less of a place in the league now.

Young/Prime Ron Artest would be making Draymond Green money today.

[sportjames23]

I have been trying for YEARS to find the name of the song/composition that plays from 3:51-4:35 in this video. The NBA uses it and some variations of it in many of their promo videos. Shazaam doesn't work either due to the voice-overs or it just doesn't have a record of it. Any help would be appreciated.


I still have the VHS of this video. I'll see if I can find out later. My VCR's not hooked up anymore, but the back of the VHS box might list the song name or composer.

Edit: here's a vid of Air Time posted on YouTube. It might be listed in the closing credits:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViiOHgnQm4w

[sdot_thadon]

Young/Prime Ron Artest would be making Draymond Green money today.
I'm sure he would, probably more. But it's no secret he's the type of guy the nba wanted to stray away from. League image is in a better place now. Makes for pretty ball and the less thuggery the more money they get from upper class types.

[Vaniiiia]

Oh great, another washed up bloke having a whinge about how his prime was tougher than the current...this is something new
Good post mate. Agreed.

The guy who goes around elbowing people in the head and changing his name to metta peace doesn't have any credibility in my book.

[SwayDizzle]

Aye... This is a Man's Game (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wLW2UwkcG4) :bowdown:
goddamn what a good series. No denying MJ is the GOAT.

[Lebron23]

The NBA is a better league without Artest. I thought he's going to be a Pippen type of player when he played for the Bulls, and Pacers.

He's a wannabee Dennis Rodman.

[ErhnamDjinn]

rofl didnt someone just male a topic of Karl Malone KOing David Robinson and it was just a regular foul or not even called. He also basically flattened Isiah and I think got a 1 game suspension. While we cant have Piston Bad Boy like defense, I wish the NBA allowed some physicality. Heck even the taunting ala Shawn Kemp would be fine.

[DonDadda59]

goddamn what a good series. No denying MJ is the GOAT.

The Bulls-Knicks rivalry is my favorite all time. Those series were wild. And the funny thing is Jordan had been good friends with both Ewing and Oakley since the early-mid 80s (and they're all still close today). But on the court, that shit went right out the window:

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1+ hr of the Bulls Knicks Playoff Series From '92 & '93 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28y59DjqVvs) :rockon:

[julizaver]

The Bulls-Knicks rivalry is my favorite all time. Those series were wild. And the funny thing is Jordan had been good friends with both Ewing and Oakley since the early-mid 80s (and they're all still close today). But on the court, that shit went right out the window:

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/10-12-2015/yVG2O-.gif

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/4-22-2015/7H01Pz.gif

1+ hr of the Bulls Knicks Playoff Series From '92 & '93 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28y59DjqVvs) :rockon:

Yes, and posters here still claimed that East was weak during MJ's years.
The fact is that there were a lot of real rivalries in the East and while Bulls never played Game 7 in the Finals vs West team they played a few elimination games in their championships campaign.

We've got:
Sixers vs Celtics
Pistons vs Celtics
Pistons vs Bulls

and later on:
Knicks vs Bulls (just take a look at Knicks roster Mason, Oakley, Ewing ...)
Bulls vs Pacers was intense also.

[Dragonyeuw]

The Bulls-Knicks rivalry is my favorite all time. Those series were wild. And the funny thing is Jordan had been good friends with both Ewing and Oakley since the early-mid 80s (and they're all still close today). But on the court, that shit went right out the window:

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/10-12-2015/yVG2O-.gif

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/4-22-2015/7H01Pz.gif

1+ hr of the Bulls Knicks Playoff Series From '92 & '93 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28y59DjqVvs) :rockon:

Gotdamn. That, with that NBA on NBC theme leading to it, on a Sunday afternoon. Not to sound like a geezer, but those really were the days.

[!@#$%Vectors!@#]

Meta World Police stays Policing :applause:

[!@#$%Vectors!@#]

The NBA is a better league without Artest. I thought he's going to be a Pippen type of player when he played for the Bulls, and Pacers.

He's a wannabee Dennis Rodman.

:lol Look at the man in your picture:lol

[jlip]

From another similar old thread:



I'm a couple of years older than T-Mac, and I've said this many times in the past. The one thing that I've feared is happening. That is my generation is turning into our father's generation. We're becoming the "old men", past our prime glorifying the "good old days" and how tough it used to be back in the day. I talked about this in my "Back in my Day' Phenomenon" thread (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=290786). Wilt and Russell's generation spoke of how tough it was to play in the 60's and 70's and how soft the league had gotten by the late 80's and 90's. I just finished watching this interview between Bill Russell and Tim Duncan (http://www.nba.com/spurs/multimedia/russell_duncan_pt1.html), and the issue of the difference between eras was brought up. At the 3:40 mark Bill Russell said,

"We [players of his era] almost threw up when they threw in flagrant fouls...That's why those guys wear those long shorts, cause they play like girls."

Flagrant fouls were introduced into the league during the 80's if I'm not mistaken. Long shorts were introduced into the NBA during the 90's. Actually MJ went to the long shorts style in 1989. (http://www.nba.com/2011/news/features/shaun_powell/07/20/michael-jordan-long-shorts/index.html) So basically by the mid- late 90's according to Russell, MJ was playing in a league that played like girls.

I'm not implying that things may not have been more physical in the past. They probably were. I have been watching the NBA since 1987, but a lot of the stuff being spewed by older players who are on the verge of retirement or have retired are borderline nostalgic hyperbole, and in 20 years, Lebron, CP3, and Wade will be telling us how tough it was to play in the 2010's and how the players of the 2030's couldn't make it in their era.

[ClipperRevival]

From another similar old thread:

Good points.

I remember watching basketball in the early 90's and people were saying how prima donna and soft the current players were in comparison to the 80's players. And of course basketball in the 2000's, and people saying how soft they were in comparison to the 90's. Heck, even Kobe is considered "old school" now, which makes me scratch my head because he started doing his main work in the 2000's. I think every generation is guilty of nostalgia and biased recollections.

But there is no doubt that the NBA today is soft. Not because the players are soft or mentally weak or anything like that but because the rules force them to be. Players will be as physical as the rules will allow them to be. There is no basis to say that the current NBA is based on physicality or toughness. It is based on athleticism and spacing.

[Foster5k]

Somewhere, James Harden is glad it's not a "man's game" anymore. Last time it was a so called man's game, he ended up getting a Ron Artest elbow lodged into his skull.

[LikeABosh]

Him charging the stands like a raging zoo animal on the loose probably has something to do with it

[ClipperRevival]

Somewhere, James Harden is glad it's not a "man's game" anymore. Last time it was a so called man's game, he ended up getting a Ron Artest elbow lodged into his skull.

The best example of a modern player who has adapted his game in order to benefit from the soft rules. Can't really hate him for it. He's doing the smart thing. But obviously not the "manly" thing to do.

[Foster5k]

The best example of a modern player who has adapted his game in order to benefit from the soft rules. Can't really hate him for it. He's doing the smart thing. But obviously not the "manly" thing to do.
Agree. No doubt, Harden has taken full advantage of the "new" NBA.