Where Waldo Refugee Edition

[StephHamann]

http://media1.faz.net/ppmedia/aktuell/2000997873/1.3853201/width610x580/ankunft-von-fluechtlingen-am.jpg

Where are the women and children?

[ISHGoat]

Women are in the kitchen. Children are in ISIS training. Next.

[StephHamann]

Instead of the "'s" i made 3 threads

This forum :applause:

[BasedTom]

looks dystopian like blade runner or something

[Lebowsky]

Instead of the "'s" i made 3 threads

This forum :applause:
I thought you were on a trolling spree.

[Nick Young]

New question-where are the Syrians? Why are so many of the Syrian refugees speaking languages commonly found in Pakistan?

[Lebowsky]

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[moaz]

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[imdaman99]

Where are the women and children?
Like somebody mentioned, they consider men the money makers so they can't afford to take a woman along to feed 2 or more, while they are looking for a job or anything that can make them money. There's no shame in the man of the family venturing away looking for better opportunity.

Have you never heard of a man leaving the country for a land of opportunity, sending money back home and eventually bringing his family over? Have you forgotten history? I'm pretty sure that happens all the time, with non Muslims, which you would never have a problem with. Do I know if that is the reason you only see men? No, but that is a theory :confusedshrug:

Get over it, you will still be able to afford your $5 coffees as you sit on your cushy couch surfing the internet on your 56K modem.

[StephHamann]

Have you never heard of a man leaving the country for a land of opportunity, sending money back home and eventually bringing his family over? Have you forgotten history? I'm pretty sure that happens all the time, with non Muslims, which you would never have a problem with. Do I know if that is the reason you only see men? No, but that is a theory :confusedshrug:

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Three notes:

They are not allowed to work as refugees

There is a new law coming so they get no money, instead they only get food stamps

Leaving the old, sick, women and children behind when there is a war to win is rather strange

[NumberSix]

Like somebody mentioned, they consider men the money makers so they can't afford to take a woman along to feed 2 or more, while they are looking for a job or anything that can make them money. There's no shame in the man of the family venturing away looking for better opportunity.

Have you never heard of a man leaving the country for a land of opportunity, sending money back home and eventually bringing his family over?
That's exactly the point. They're NOT refugees. They're NOT fleeing for their lives. They're simply looking for better economic opportunities.


Have you forgotten history? I'm pretty sure that happens all the time, with non Muslims, which you would never have a problem with. Do I know if that is the reason you only see men? No, but that is a theory :confusedshrug:

Get over it, you will still be able to afford your $5 coffees as you sit on your cushy couch surfing the internet on your 56K modem.
You know those Mexican illegals everybody has a problem with. I'm pretty sure they aren't Muslims.

[StephHamann]

That's exactly the point. They're NOT refugees. They're NOT fleeing for their lives. They're simply looking for better economic opportunities.

+ this

[BasedTom]

That's exactly the point. They're NOT refugees. They're NOT fleeing for their lives. They're simply looking for better economic opportunities.
It's why they want to go to Germany, Sweden, France instead of just staying in the Balkans and Hungary where they're virtually just as safe from Syria's war

being "refugees" is just a pretext

[Nick Young]

Why are these Syrian refugees all speaking pakistani and bangledeshi doe?:confusedshrug:

I've never seen so many dark skinned Syrian people in my life. Most Syrians are light skinned arab people who look like this:
http://arabic.shafaaq.com/images/2013/3/sport/4/soria.jpg
http://d.ibtimes.co.uk/en/full/240652/syrians-living-uae-shout-slogans-against-syrian-president-bashar-al-assad.jpg
http://cdn-wac.emirates247.com/polopoly_fs/1.408430.1310994335!/image/2117204316.jpg

[UK2K]

It's why they want to go to Germany, Sweden, France instead of just staying in the Balkans and Hungary where they're virtually just as safe from Syria's war

being "refugees" is just a pretext

Looking to exploit another county's welfare. And why wouldn't they? I would too if I knew I could go live in a country and get paid just for existing, like its some sort of award or a 'thank you for being alive' type deal.

[imdaman99]

You know those Mexican illegals everybody has a problem with. I'm pretty sure they aren't Muslims.
By everyone, do you mean 100% of the population or less?

Also, illegals are illegal. Refugees are not illegal. Look I don't know the details, maybe they are refugees and fleeing for their lives and maybe they aren't. Would you rather live in a country where there is no opportunity and you have to look over your shoulder every time you go outside, or would you chance it for a better life? Yes they left their family behind, is everyone under the impression that they don't give a shit about them and want to move on and get a European wife? :oldlol:

[imdaman99]

Looking to exploit another county's welfare. And why wouldn't they? I would too if I knew I could go live in a country and get paid just for existing, like its some sort of award or a 'thank you for being alive' type deal.
What does their family that they left behind get out of that? :facepalm

Can they e-mail their welfare checks to the family back home?

[StephHamann]

Would you rather live in a country where there is no opportunity and you have to look over your shoulder every time you go outside, or would you chance it for a better life? Yes they left their family behind, is everyone under the impression that they don't give a shit about them and want to move on and get a European wife? :oldlol:


They are not allowed to work by law. They don't get money so they can't send anything home.

They are literally living in tents with hundreds of people withouth any form of privacy and opportunities to do anything meaningful.

[imdaman99]

They are not allowed to work by law. They don't get money so they can't send anything home.

They are literally living in tents with hundreds of people withouth any form of privacy and opportunities to do anything meaningful.
Maybe laws will change and eventually 'allow' capable refugees to work some job so they aren't just a black hole to society.

[StephHamann]

Maybe laws will change and eventually 'allow' capable refugees to work some job so they aren't just a black hole to society.

Ok but what about the other 98%?

[Nick Young]

http://media1.faz.net/ppmedia/aktuell/2000997873/1.3853201/width610x580/ankunft-von-fluechtlingen-am.jpg

Where are the women and children?
I really do wonder what region these people of Syria come from.

They look nothing like the photos of Syrian people in Syria.
http://i.alalam.ir/news/Image/original/2015/06/29/alalam_635711951039328809_25f_4x3.jpg
https://3a09223b3cd53870eeaa-7f75e5eb51943043279413a54aaa858a.ssl.cf3.rackcdn.c om//world_07_temp-1321430600-4ec36e48-620x348.jpg
http://www.anissas.com/blog1/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/serjilla-beautiful-children-copy.jpg
http://i.huffpost.com/gen/288130/images/r-SYRIA-PROTESTS-large570.jpg

Do European countries even do basic due diligence before letting these "Syrian" refugees in to their country?

[NumberSix]

Why are these Syrian refugees all speaking pakistani and bangledeshi doe?:confusedshrug:
Because the west has become PC to the point of retardation. Are we really supposed to not point out that all these black Africans who don't speak Arabic are obviously not from Syria?

[StephHamann]

Because the west has become PC to the point of retardation. Are we really supposed to not point out that all these black Africans who don't speak Arabic are obviously not from Syria?

Turkey is selling fake Syrian passports to refugees.

[UK2K]

What does their family that they left behind get out of that? :facepalm

Can they e-mail their welfare checks to the family back home?

Well here in America, the starving take their 'food stamps', sell them for .50 on the dollar to get cash, and then take that cash to buy other shit with it.

They came all the way to Europe with no education, no skill, no knowledge of the culture or society, and don't speak the native language, I'm sure they can figure out a way to exploit it.

[Nick Young]

Turkey is selling fake Syrian passports to refugees.
Turkish government or Turkish black market?

[StephHamann]

Turkish government or Turkish black market?

A government that openly kills the kurdish opposition is capable of anything.

[BasedTom]

going to post some selected parts from the PM of Hungary's recent speech, tl;dr, I know, but still some of you might find this an interesting read:



Viewed from the right perspective, the whole issue of asylum and mass migration, the whole problem of economic migration is nothing more than the identity crisis of liberalism. I'll try to broadly summarize what it consists of. People in general – not only Europeans, but definitely Europeans – want to see themselves as good; but people can define “good” in a wide variety of ways. Liberals also want to see themselves as good. They also have an idea of what it means to be a good person. And liberals can only live with themselves if they see themselves as good people. However, the liberal notion of what is “good”, as I described earlier, only exists at the level of phenomena: freedom of movement, universal human rights, and so on. Now this is producing disastrous consequences. But the particular quality of liberals is that while they want to be good people, they do not want to see their levels of welfare spending and standards of living falling; and so a crisis develops. This is the truly great challenge facing liberalism today: how to see themselves as good people according to their own principles, and at the same time how to protect the standard of living which they have achieved so far.

I am convinced that it is no longer possible in Europe to both see ourselves as good in the liberal sense and to live in prosperity. I might say that the most dangerous combination known in history is to be both rich and weak. There is no combination more dangerous than this. It is only a matter of time before someone comes along, notices your weakness, and takes what you have. This will definitely happen if you are unable to defend yourself. The liberal philosophy is a result of a Europe which is weak and which also wants to protect its wealth; but if Europe is weak, it cannot protect this wealth.

Well, the fact is that liberals should ask themselves who they really are. Because if you cannot be good in the liberal sense while maintaining current existential needs, you need to solve this dilemma somehow. Poor liberals do not get any help from their politicians in this regard. This is what is missing in European politics. There is no vision, and indeed even expressing these questions in these terms is not allowed in European politics, and is almost life-threatening. This is a totally Hungarian luxury. It is possible to do so to a small extent in other Central European countries, but not very much. The fact that we are sitting here, and we can talk like this about these issues cannot happen anywhere else in Europe. Such a meeting could not be convened in Germany, where it would not be possible to say such things; nor could it in France – and it is even risky in Poland.

Overall, therefore, the question is one of who in the end will tell the liberals who they really are. I am not sure if we were completely right, but I don’t think we were far wrong when we thought that modern liberalism is a form of hypocrisy. At all levels. Now I am not referring to the fact that at some level we are all hypocritical: that in every person there is the instinct to try to present themselves as being a little bit better than they really are – at least just a little bit. That is a fault which we all have, but it is at an individual level. Liberalism, however, is an intellectual area which organizes hypocrisy as a system.

[9erempiree]

Those are no refugees. Germany has an agenda of their own too because it's reported that their population is dying. In 30 years, at this rate, it is estimated that their population will dwindle in half.

The factories have made their working areas accessible to older people which is costly. The younger generation of Germany are educated and they don't want to work in factories.

By bringing in "refugees" they hope to increase their birth rate. Same thing happened after the WWII. A lot of young German men were killed and they allowed people from Turkey to come over and help manufacture goods, live and become citizens. This was decades ago, whether it will work with the current climate is unknown.

[BasedTom]

The current situation, Ladies and Gentlemen, is different. Now we are inundated with countless immigrants: there is an invasion, they break down fences, and it is clear to us all that they are not seeking refuge, and are not running for their lives. In Turkey, in Turkish refugee camps, nothing threatens their lives; and neither is there any danger in Greece, Macedonia, or the area around Belgrade. There is no danger in Budapest, and yet they are not rushing to come here. They do not want refugee status: they want to be refugees in Germany. This is quite a different story. In fact it is not refuge in a life or death situation that they are seeking, but a better quality of life. In truth, they are not seeking safety. What is happening is just the opposite. In fact, they are endangering their lives.

What I am about to say might seem harsh, and I apologize if anyone is offended. We all saw the picture of that little boy on the beach. No heart could remain unmoved, but still we must ask: who killed that little boy? His parents! No one forced anyone out of a Turkish refugee camp – where life is not like that in Germany, but where there is no threat to one’s safety. No one was forced to gather up their children, and take to the sea in a flimsy dinghy in the hope of a better life somewhere, risking their own and their children's lives. This is the truth! One cannot talk like this in Europe today, but this is still the truth. And so these people are not seeking safety, but just the opposite: they are risking their existing safety, taking on huge risks in dinghies, refrigerated trucks and the Channel Tunnel. In the process their children are dying, and even this does not stop them. This is the truth!

[UK2K]

[QUOTE=BasedTom]going to post some selected parts from the PM of Hungary's recent speech, tl;dr, I know, but still some of you might find this an interesting read:



Viewed from the right perspective, the whole issue of asylum and mass migration, the whole problem of economic migration is nothing more than the identity crisis of liberalism. I'll try to broadly summarize what it consists of. People in general

[StephHamann]

By bringing in "refugees" they hope to increase their birth rate. Same thing happened after the WWII. A lot of young German men were killed and they allowed people from Turkey to come over and help manufacture goods, live and become citizens. This was decades ago, whether it will work with the current climate is unknown.

Deal with Turkey was made in 1961, the birth rate was not on a decline back then. Only reason they made that deal was to lower the wages because workers were too expensive.

The birth decline has two reasons: contraceptive pill + women are chosing career over motherhood. But this happened in every western country. France England and the USA only have a higher birthrate because they have more people from cultures that see women as breeding machines without any rights = Muslims, extreme Christians etc.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Bevoelkerungsentwicklung_deutschland.png/1920px-Bevoelkerungsentwicklung_deutschland.png

61 deal with Turkey

65 contraceptive pill on the market

[TripleA]

Instead of letting everyone in they should just stop aiding the groups that cause disfunction which leads to the refugees problem. I have a teacher in my peace and justice class who always tells us to look at the root cause instead of trying to fix the symptoms. I really understand where she is coming from.

[Nick Young]

BasedTom dropping knowledge bombs:bowdown:

[TripleA]

I am talking about real refugees like the ones in Congo,Sudan,Somalia and other places in the world not these migrants.

[RidonKs]

[QUOTE=moaz]I get you. You don't like your siblings committing Rassenschande.

Germany is back (and I don't mean soccer :applause:).

Just a side note:
I have been following the refugee issue for some time now. I have been reading about it in 3 languages (En, Ger, and some French) in the newspapers/magazines from 4 countries (US, Can, UK, Germany). In more than 1 year I have read only one positive comment in German from a German about the refugees :facepalm. All the other comments range from dreska's "I-think-I-am-Intellectual-becuase-I-use-big-Words" style to 9erempiree copy and paste ranting. And I am not talking about right wing sites or even the FAZ (Germans will get it) but supposedly main stream (Spiegel) or even left leaning (HuffPo Ger) publications.
In all other countries you have some kind of debates in the comment sections. Not the Germans.
Thank you guys for making me respect Merkel and Bayern M

[BasedTom]

BasedTom dropping knowledge bombs:bowdown:
all I did was copy and paste

here is the full speech:

http://www.kormany.hu/en/the-prime-minister/the-prime-minister-s-speeches/viktor-orban-s-speech-at-the-14th-kotcse-civil-picnic

[knickballer]

If the West really care about refugees they would take in the refugees from the actual refguee camps in the Middle East or invest heavily to improve the situation there which would be the most logical case. That and they can stop funding "moderate" rebels with the sole intention of creating some backward Islamist state. The only people who are suffering from this debauchery is the Syrian people and Germany accepting 1million "refugees" that aren't even Syrian isn't going to fix the situation. Not even addressing the situation. It's impossible for Germany to house every migrant in the world and how do they decide who to accept and not to accept. For example, they recently deported many migrants from the Balkans who were seeking asylum and banned them but migrants from other areas like Pakistan is okay? Where do you draw the line?

It's a shame because these migrants are being used as henchmen from the elite in the West. They will drive down wages and other working benefits even down ensuring more profit and it will ensure greater control for the ruling elite. Like I said if they really cared they would stop funding islamist groups, invest and use the money they would fail to integrate on these migrants into the actual countries. But logic doesn't prevail and people are easily manipulated.

[TonyMontana]

[QUOTE=Gr

[Nick Young]

I again must ask, who are these Syrian refuges who are unable to speak or understand Arabic? Which part of Syria are they coming from?

[NumberSix]

I again must ask, who are these Syrian refuges who are unable to speak or understand Arabic? Which part of Syria are they coming from?
Let's keep it real. The majority of them are Africans and Pakistanis.

[RidonKs]

going to post some selected parts from the PM of Hungary's recent speech, tl;dr, I know, but still some of you might find this an interesting read:



Viewed from the right perspective, the whole issue of asylum and mass migration, the whole problem of economic migration is nothing more than the identity crisis of liberalism. I'll try to broadly summarize what it consists of. People in general – not only Europeans, but definitely Europeans – want to see themselves as good; but people can define “good” in a wide variety of ways. Liberals also want to see themselves as good. They also have an idea of what it means to be a good person. And liberals can only live with themselves if they see themselves as good people. However, the liberal notion of what is “good”, as I described earlier, only exists at the level of phenomena: freedom of movement, universal human rights, and so on. Now this is producing disastrous consequences. But the particular quality of liberals is that while they want to be good people, they do not want to see their levels of welfare spending and standards of living falling; and so a crisis develops. This is the truly great challenge facing liberalism today: how to see themselves as good people according to their own principles, and at the same time how to protect the standard of living which they have achieved so far.

I am convinced that it is no longer possible in Europe to both see ourselves as good in the liberal sense and to live in prosperity. I might say that the most dangerous combination known in history is to be both rich and weak. There is no combination more dangerous than this. It is only a matter of time before someone comes along, notices your weakness, and takes what you have. This will definitely happen if you are unable to defend yourself. The liberal philosophy is a result of a Europe which is weak and which also wants to protect its wealth; but if Europe is weak, it cannot protect this wealth.

Well, the fact is that liberals should ask themselves who they really are. Because if you cannot be good in the liberal sense while maintaining current existential needs, you need to solve this dilemma somehow. Poor liberals do not get any help from their politicians in this regard. This is what is missing in European politics. There is no vision, and indeed even expressing these questions in these terms is not allowed in European politics, and is almost life-threatening. This is a totally Hungarian luxury. It is possible to do so to a small extent in other Central European countries, but not very much. The fact that we are sitting here, and we can talk like this about these issues cannot happen anywhere else in Europe. Such a meeting could not be convened in Germany, where it would not be possible to say such things; nor could it in France – and it is even risky in Poland.

Overall, therefore, the question is one of who in the end will tell the liberals who they really are. I am not sure if we were completely right, but I don’t think we were far wrong when we thought that modern liberalism is a form of hypocrisy. At all levels. Now I am not referring to the fact that at some level we are all hypocritical: that in every person there is the instinct to try to present themselves as being a little bit better than they really are – at least just a little bit. That is a fault which we all have, but it is at an individual level. Liberalism, however, is an intellectual area which organizes hypocrisy as a system.
the hypocrisy is that we like the things the way we are at the same time we long for change.

that is not a liberal paradox, that is a human paradox. though liberalism defines a key part of it.

he talks about the good at length. the good is the right action at the right time, which only means resolving the above paradox in practical terms to the best of our ability. the goal at this point can't be too ambitious because we're in such tight conditions, so it basically comes down to mitigating harm and future conflict.

this is precisely the debate most of the developed world is having right now. at least in terms of the harm mitigation. it seems geopolitics will be stuck pushing conflict down the road for some time now.

we can argue whether they're being too stingy or too generous, overextending or hoarding.... but at the very least the conversation this guy seems to want us to have is actually being had right in front of his eyes.

i just don't think he wants the conversation because he's already made up his mind it's the wrong one.