Why do the bad boy pistons have no respect for Pippen [Archive] - Message Board Basketball Forum

sdot_thadon

10-13-2015, 11:46 PM

They all diss him at any chance they get. I think they knew he was the weak point they could target/getting in his head of those bulls team. Isiah on open court routinely disses him,bill, etc....
Probably because the pippen they faced wasn't the pippen he eventually became. Oh and rivalry duh.

DonDadda59

10-13-2015, 11:47 PM

Scottie Pippen coming into the league was soft as butter. Luckily he had the GOAT killer remold him in his image. Dude used to get 'migraines' in key games in the playoffs against the Pistons.

Monta Ellis MVP

10-13-2015, 11:48 PM

Mainly because Jordan was the reason why the Bulls would win, Pippen was along for the ride.

Kobe_6/8

10-14-2015, 12:00 AM

"The Jordan Rules".

Rocketswin2013

10-14-2015, 12:08 AM

They hated everything and everybody...

They'd downplay Jordan too if it didn't make them look like idiots. These are people who said Bird was only popular because he was white...

If Rodman never goes to chicago, he probably says the same shit, but it wouldn't mean much.

Hell, Lambeer doesn't even a give a shit. He flat-out called LeBron better than Jordan. Does he mean it? Does he believe it? Maybe. But it goes to show how emotion can make you sound stupid. This forum is full of people like that.

Pippen helped do away with whatever was left of them in 1991... Just like MJ...He just doesn't have the legions of stans and media hype to combat his getting shitted on by those guys...

catch24

10-14-2015, 12:12 AM

They hated everything and everybody...

They'd downplay Jordan too if it didn't make them look like idiots. These are people who said Bird was only popular because he was white...

If Rodman never goes to chicago, he probably says the same shit, but it wouldn't mean much.

Hell, Lambier doesn't even a give a shit. He flat-out called LeBron better than Jordan. Does he mean it? Does he believe it? Maybe. But it goes to show how emotion can make you sound stupid.

Pippen helped do away with whatever was left of them in 1991... Just like MJ...He just doesn't have the legions of stans and media hype to combat his getting shitted on by those guys...

Yeah. Isiah today on Open Court said Jordan never won anything during the 80s, and only began winning once the 90s hit.

The implication is that Jordan only won in the 90s because it was an inferior league.

He and The Bad Boys don't hold back :oldlol:

Spaulding

10-14-2015, 12:20 AM

It's because Pippen got a headache from the pressure and choked.

Also because Pippen was overrated because he played with the best player of all time. Pippen made top 50 over Wilkins and Macadoo. Crimnal.

JimmyMcAdocious

10-14-2015, 12:26 AM

Yeah. Isiah today on Open Court said Jordan never won anything during the 80s, and only began winning once the 90s hit.

The implication is that Jordan only won in the 90s because it was an inferior league.

He and The Bad Boys don't hold back :oldlol:

He also said it was OK that MJ didn't want him on the Dream Team. Or Bird.

But Pippen? PIPPEN?

Dude was hilarious. :oldlol:

What I want to know is why Zeke hates Malone so much. I mean, I get why people generally don't like him; I don't like him. But why does Zeke go out of his way to put Karl down? And don't give me that cheap shot explanation. You telling me one of the Bad Boys is still holding a grudge over a cheap shot?

juju151111

10-14-2015, 12:29 AM

He also said it was OK that MJ didn't want him on the Dream Team. Or Bird.

But Pippen? PIPPEN?

Dude was hilarious. :oldlol:
Exactly my point. I understand the rivalry part but they all respect Mj even after dissing him they say but we just stop the other guys. When Pippen is involve its just straight he garbage doesn't matter.

TheBigVeto

10-14-2015, 01:24 AM

What I want to know is why Zeke hates Malone so much. I mean, I get why people generally don't like him; I don't like him. But why does Zeke go out of his way to put Karl down? And don't give me that cheap shot explanation. You telling me one of the Bad Boys is still holding a grudge over a cheap shot?

Zeke was just being a little bitch.
Malone should've fouled him harder.

3ball

10-14-2015, 04:46 AM

Probably because the pippen they faced wasn't the pippen he eventually became. Oh and rivalry duh.
So Pippen was trash and MJ had zero help... noted

3ball

10-14-2015, 04:50 AM

Exactly my point. I understand the rivalry part but they all respect Mj even after dissing him they say but we just stop the other guys. When Pippen is involve its just straight he garbage doesn't matter.
they never said that... that's why they had the jordan rules - it was all about stopping mj.

3ball

10-14-2015, 04:54 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0f1EsUVCIU

Great find.. That video shows how soft Pippen was.. He came so far from that spot because MJ made him a man:

JERRY KRAUSE, Bulls GM:

“Would Pippen have been great someplace else?

Michael absolutely killed Scottie in practice every day for his first two years. Mike just tore Pip up. He made Pip learn how to compete and forced him into playing hard. Had there not been someone to challenge Scottie like that, I’m not sure what would’ve happened to him... No.... Michael made him a man.

Michael made him a man and Doug [Collins] did a great job with him in his first year. And he - Collins - he had Michael beat on him (Pippen) every day in practice and Michael beat him to death."

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nba/news/story?id=5453558

3ball

10-14-2015, 04:57 AM

[QUOTE=3ball]

JERRY KRAUSE, Bulls GM:

[indent][I]

sportjames23

10-14-2015, 05:18 AM

Picked up, business just.

/Yoda

DCL

10-14-2015, 05:19 AM

The pistons only saw the "new and improved" pippen once in the playoffs when the bulls finally beat them. they never faced each other again. but all those other years before, pre-prime pippen wasn't much of a threat in their eyes.

Lebron23

10-14-2015, 05:20 AM

Scottie Pippen turning into a legit NBA All Star was the reason the Bulls beat the Pistons.

3ball

10-14-2015, 05:24 AM

Scottie Pippen turning into a legit NBA All Star was the reason the Bulls beat the Pistons.
Pippen wasn't an all-star in 1991... MJ won the championship in 1991 with no all-stars on his team that season.. He's one of the only guys to ever do that.

Lebron23

10-14-2015, 05:58 AM

Pippen wasn't an all-star in 1991... MJ won the championship in 1991 with no all-stars on his team that season.. He's one of the only guys to ever do that.

He played like an all star during that season. And the NBA All star game is just a popularity contest. Pippen in 1991 > Mo Williams in 2009.

Goro

10-14-2015, 06:11 AM

Because the Pippen they saw was not the same Pippen from the mid-90s.

Goro

10-14-2015, 06:12 AM

He played like an all star during that season. And the NBA All star game is just a popularity contest. Pippen in 1991 > Mo Williams in 2009.

Nobody should deny this, but it doesn't matter since the 2009 Cavs couldn't even reach the Finals.

Lebron23

10-14-2015, 06:14 AM

Nobody should deny this, but it doesn't matter since the 2009 Cavs couldn't even reach the Finals.

Lebron averaged 39/9/9 in the conference finals while MO Williams just disappeared.

3ball

10-14-2015, 06:16 AM

Because the Pippen they saw was not the same Pippen from the mid-90s.

Mid-90's Pippen was a not that great - here's his averages for 1996-1998 playoffs:

17/7/5 on 40.8%

This includes the worst performances ever by a 2nd option in 1996 Finals (15 ppg on 34%) and 1998 Finals (15 ppg on 41%).
.

aj1987

10-14-2015, 06:21 AM

3ball

10-14-2015, 06:22 AM

Lebron averaged 39/9/9 in the conference finals while MO Williams just disappeared.
What do you expect - Lebron achieves his stats by reducing the PPG and APG of his teammates - this is statistical fact - so obviously, anytime he REALLY pads his stats, his teammates will be aids, like in 2009 ECF and 2015 Finals - those were Lebron's two highest producing playoff series and the two series where his teammates sucked the most.

3ball

10-14-2015, 06:26 AM

Probably because MJ "choked" against the Pistons and lost against them 3 years in a row until Pip came into his own.

'88:

Vs Cav's - 45 PPG on 56%
Vs Pistons - 27 PPG on 49%

'89:

First two rounds - 38 PPG on 53%
Against Detroit - 30 PPG on 46%

'90:

First two rounds - 40 PPG on 54%
Against Detroit - 32 PPG on 46%
Wow.. MJ's "choking" stats against the greatest defense of all time are better than Lebron's regular season and playoff averages.. :eek:

Thanks for bringing that to my attention... I wonder what Lebron's "choking" stats look like.... Hmmm.. Probably like MJ's stats his sophomore year, when he was cut from varsity.. Maybe his freshman year at NC.
.

aj1987

10-14-2015, 06:32 AM

What do you expect - Lebron achieves his stats by reducing the PPG and APG of his teammates - this is statistical fact - so obviously, anytime he REALLY pads his stats, his teammates will be aids, like in 2009 ECF and 2015 Finals - those were Lebron's two highest producing playoff series and the two series where his teammates sucked the most.
Mo in the RS - 18/3/4
Mo in the ECF - 18/4/4

West in the RS - 12/3/4
West in the ECF - 15/3/4

Z in the RS - 13/7
Z in the ECF - 10/9

Mozgov in the RS - 11/7
Mozgov in the Finals - 14/8

JR in the RS - 13/4
JR in the Finals - 12/4

Delly in the RS - 5/2
Delly in the Finals - 8/3

TT in the RS - 9/8
TT in the Finals - 10/13

Shump in the RS - 7/4
Shump in the Finals - 7/4

Those dudes did shoot like shit though.

0.5 rounded up and 0.4 rounded down

Wow.. MJ's "choking" stats against the greatest defense of all time are better than Lebron's regular season and playoff averages.. :eek:

Thanks for bringing that to my attention... I wonder what Lebron's "choking" stats look like.... Hmmm.. Probably like MJ's stats his sophomore year, when he was cut from varsity.. Maybe his freshman year at NC.
.
:roll: :roll:

Comparing LeBron to MJ AGAIN. Do you honestly believe that they are like 1a and 1b GOAT's? Why do you even compare those two?

:roll: @ the Pistons being the GOAT defense. They weren't even the best defense in the league in those seasons.

'88 - Jazz
'89 - Jazz
'90 - Rockets

3ball

10-14-2015, 06:35 AM

Those dudes did shoot like shit though.

Oh... so how would you describe how Lebron shot in the 2015 Finals then?

aj1987

10-14-2015, 06:37 AM

Oh... so how would you describe how Lebron shot in the 2015 Finals then?
Aren't you going to respond to the rest of the post, you cherrypicking ******?

What do you expect - Lebron achieves his stats by reducing the PPG and APG of his teammates - this is statistical fact - so obviously, anytime he REALLY pads his stats, his teammates will be aids, like in 2009 ECF and 2015 Finals - those were Lebron's two highest producing playoff series and the two series where his teammates sucked the most.

Mo in the RS - 18/3/4
Mo in the ECF - 18/4/4

West in the RS - 12/3/4
West in the ECF - 15/3/4

Z in the RS - 13/7
Z in the ECF - 10/9

Mozgov in the RS - 11/7
Mozgov in the Finals - 14/8

JR in the RS - 13/4
JR in the Finals - 12/4

Delly in the RS - 5/2
Delly in the Finals - 8/3

TT in the RS - 9/8
TT in the Finals - 10/13

Shump in the RS - 7/4
Shump in the Finals - 7/4

3ball

10-14-2015, 07:17 AM

Aren't you going to respond to the rest of the post, you cherrypicking ******?

Look at the careers as a whole for a better sample - it's a statistical fact that Lebron lowers the PPG and APG of his teammates - here's APG:

Wade apg and assist % before Lebron (04'-10'): 6.6 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wadedw01.html#2004-2010-sum:per_game), 34.8% (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wadedw01.html#2004-2010-sum:advanced)
Wade apg and assist % with... Lebron (11'-14'): 4.7 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wadedw01.html#2011-2014-sum:per_game), 25.5% (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wadedw01.html#2011-2014-sum:advanced)

Bosh apg and assist % before Lebron (04'-10'): 2.2, 10.5%
Bosh apg and assist % with... Lebron (11'-14'): 1.6 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/boshch01.html#2011-2014-sum:per_game), .8.0% (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/boshch01.html#2011-2014-sum:advanced)

Irving apg and assist % before Lebron (12'-14'): 5.8 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/irvinky01.html#2012-2014-sum:per_game), 33.2 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/irvinky01.html#2012-2014-sum:advanced)
Irving apg and assist % with... Lebron (2015):... 5.2, 25.0%

Kevin Love apg and assist % in MIN: 2.5, 13.0%
Kevin Love apg and assist % in CLE:. 2.2, 10.7%

Mo Williams apg and assist % before Lebron: 6.3, 30.0%
Mo Williams apg and assist % with... Lebron: 4.1, 20.1%

aj1987

10-14-2015, 07:24 AM

Look at the careers as a whole for a better sample - it's a statistical fact that Lebron lowers the PPG and APG of his teammates - here's APG:

That's not what you said, you drooling retard. Stop backpedaling.

What do you expect - Lebron achieves his stats by reducing the PPG and APG of his teammates - this is statistical fact - so obviously, anytime he REALLY pads his stats, his teammates will be aids, like in 2009 ECF and 2015 Finals - those were Lebron's two highest producing playoff series and the two series where his teammates sucked the most.

Mo in the RS - 18/3/4
Mo in the ECF - 18/4/4

West in the RS - 12/3/4
West in the ECF - 15/3/4

Z in the RS - 13/7
Z in the ECF - 10/9

Mozgov in the RS - 11/7
Mozgov in the Finals - 14/8

JR in the RS - 13/4
JR in the Finals - 12/4

Delly in the RS - 5/2
Delly in the Finals - 8/3

TT in the RS - 9/8
TT in the Finals - 10/13

Shump in the RS - 7/4
Shump in the Finals - 7/4

Dragonyeuw

10-14-2015, 07:30 AM

aj1987

10-14-2015, 07:32 AM

Shit...those are MJ's 'choking' stats.
Yep. His "choking" stats.

sdot_thadon

10-14-2015, 07:33 AM

Love how this fruitcake always points out pippen wasn't an allstar in 91 while glossing over the fact that he was the previous season......

Lebron23

10-14-2015, 07:35 AM

Aj1987 just annihilated 3ball. 3ball doesn't know $hit about basketball. He doesn't even play the sports.

3ball

10-14-2015, 07:39 AM

That's not what you said, you drooling retard. Stop backpedaling.

You simply can't read - I never said he reduced their PPG and APG from regular season to playoffs - you invented that.

I said he reduced their PPG and APG when you compare the time BEFORE they played with him, to their time with him... And when he stats pads the most, like in 2009 and 2015, his teammates suck the most, which they did in those series.

3ball

10-14-2015, 07:44 AM

Love how this fruitcake always points out pippen wasn't an allstar in 91 while glossing over the fact that he was the previous season......
MJ is one of the only players to win a ring with no other all-stars as teammates... That's a fact.. Almost no one else has ever done this... Like, 1 or 2 other guys and that's it.

Can you imagine Lebron winning a ring with no all-stars??... laughable... never happen... he can't shoot well enough at high volume to CARRY at team to a championship like MJ did.. this is rock-solid logic and statistically backed - Lebron could never win ring with as little help as MJ had, because he can't shoot well enough at high volume to do so... Btw, the 538 list of supporting casts shows that MJ won in 1991 and 1993 with weaker supporting casts than Lebron ever won with (weaker than his 2012 and 2013 casts).

Btw, Hakeem won a ring too without an all-star teammate (although Otis Thorpe was an all-star in a previous year)

aj1987

10-14-2015, 07:52 AM

You simply can't read - I never said he reduced their PPG and APG from regular season to playoffs - you invented that.

I said he reduced their PPG and APG when you compare the time BEFORE they played with him, to their time with him... And when he stats pads the most, like in 2009 and 2015, his teammates suck the most, which they did in those series.

What do you expect - Lebron achieves his stats by reducing the PPG and APG of his teammates - this is statistical fact - so obviously, anytime he REALLY pads his stats, his teammates will be aids, like in 2009 ECF and 2015 Finals - those were Lebron's two highest producing playoff series and the two series where his teammates sucked the most.

Mo in the RS - 18/3/4
Mo in the ECF - 18/4/4

West in the RS - 12/3/4
West in the ECF - 15/3/4

Z in the RS - 13/7
Z in the ECF - 10/9

Mozgov in the RS - 11/7
Mozgov in the Finals - 14/8

JR in the RS - 13/4
JR in the Finals - 12/4

Delly in the RS - 5/2
Delly in the Finals - 8/3

TT in the RS - 9/8
TT in the Finals - 10/13

Shump in the RS - 7/4
Shump in the Finals - 7/4

3ball

10-14-2015, 08:04 AM

Mo in the RS - 18/3/4
Mo in the ECF - 18/4/4

West in the RS - 12/3/4
West in the ECF - 15/3/4

Z in the RS - 13/7
Z in the ECF - 10/9

Mozgov in the RS - 11/7
Mozgov in the Finals - 14/8

JR in the RS - 13/4
JR in the Finals - 12/4

Delly in the RS - 5/2
Delly in the Finals - 8/3

TT in the RS - 9/8
TT in the Finals - 10/13

Shump in the RS - 7/4
Shump in the Finals - 7/4
Wow dude... You can't read - I said that when Lebron stat-pads more, his teammates "suck" more and are "aids"... This happened in those series - this teammates were horrible in those series.

The comment about APG and PPG was a general comment referring to how teammates had higher stats before they played with Lebron... which is also true.

aj1987

10-14-2015, 08:11 AM

Wow dude... You can't read - I said that when Lebron stat-pads more, his teammates "suck" more and are "aids"... This happened in those series - this teammates were horrible in those series.

The comment about APG and PPG was a general comment referring to how teammates had higher stats before they played with Lebron... which is also true.
Care to take context into account? Like players going from being the #1 option to the #2 or #3 option or being in their primes vs being injured or not in their primes? Or does that go against your LeBron hating agenda?

Papaya Petee

10-14-2015, 06:24 PM

Care to take context into account? Like players going from being the #1 option to the #2 or #3 option or being in their primes vs being injured or not in their primes? Or does that go against your LeBron hating agenda?

Lol he's already dead, don't need to keep shooting him.

Actually, keep going, this is comical, that ****** getting destroyed is too entertaining.

juju151111

10-14-2015, 07:02 PM

Yep. His "choking" stats.
He didn't chome the bulls choke. They were young and soft especially pip. Crucial games http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199006030DET.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/198906020CHI.html

Shit Mj even shut diwn isiah when he decided to guard him in 90 and his team still couldn't win with Mj doing everything. The bulls wasn't ready. They were getting closer every year

aj1987

10-14-2015, 07:22 PM

He didn't chome the bulls choke. They were young and soft especially pip. Crucial games http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199006030DET.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/198906020CHI.html

Shit Mj even shut diwn isiah when he decided to guard him in 90 and his team still couldn't win with Mj doing everything. The bulls wasn't ready. They were getting closer every year
Isn't that what I said? MJ needed Pip to become and ATG player before he started beating the Pistons. Not to mention the Pistons themselves declining.

97 bulls

10-14-2015, 07:35 PM

The Bulls just werent ready. The Pistons were like a big brother that beat you up while playing you. And once you ocercome that theres no stopping. Thats what happened to the Bulls.

Thomas did give Pippen respect later on in Pips career. He said in 98 that Pippen was the second best player in the league after Jordan for the last 5 years.

Chuck Daly said Pippen was the most important player on the Dreamteam. Who gives a damn about some quotes made early in Pippens career???? Beside 3ball. Whos just ignorant.

Hey Yo

10-14-2015, 08:41 PM

[QUOTE=3ball]Great find.. That video shows how soft Pippen was.. He came so far from that spot because MJ made him a man:

JERRY KRAUSE, Bulls GM:

[indent][I]

IllegalD

10-14-2015, 08:50 PM

Pippen wasn't an all-star in 1991... MJ won the championship in 1991 with no all-stars on his team that season.. He's one of the only guys to ever do that.

Stop being disingenuous. Pippen might not have made the All-star game in 91 but he had already been an allstar the year before (1990). You don't need to make the all-star to be considered an allstar level player, which Pippen was from 1990 onwards through the Bulls Dynasty.

juju151111

10-14-2015, 08:59 PM

Isn't that what I said? MJ needed Pip to become and ATG player before he started beating the Pistons. Not to mention the Pistons themselves declining.
Declining? The Pistons were still young

Hey Yo

10-14-2015, 09:11 PM

Declining? The Pistons were still young
dumb

ShawkFactory

10-14-2015, 09:12 PM

Because they didn't play him when he entered his prime

97 bulls

10-14-2015, 09:14 PM

Because they didn't play him when he entered his prime
Not til 91. Then he got their respect.

Smoke117

10-14-2015, 09:23 PM

Love how this fruitcake always points out pippen wasn't an allstar in 91 while glossing over the fact that he was the previous season......

Guys like 3ball and kenneth bring up stupid accolades like they think that means something without any context. No...there was not another player selected to the all star game in 91...but we have a guy like Kyle Korver making the all star game this year and Pippen was a far, far, far superior player to him. What makes this even funnier is the 91 playoff run was the best run Scottie ever had in the playoffs: 21.6ppg 8.9rpg 5.8apg 2.5spg 1.1bpg .504% .792%ft while leading the the entire playoffs in drating and defensive win shares...BUT, he didn't make the all star game, so it's a good thing they had Jordan to carry this all star less supporting cast to their first championship. :ohwell:

Straight_Ballin

10-14-2015, 09:30 PM

[QUOTE=3ball]Great find.. That video shows how soft Pippen was.. He came so far from that spot because MJ made him a man:

JERRY KRAUSE, Bulls GM:

[indent][I]

juju151111

10-14-2015, 09:36 PM

dumb
Your dumb stupid ****.

ShawkFactory

10-14-2015, 09:41 PM

Guys like 3ball and kenneth bring up stupid accolades like they think that means something without any context. No...there was not another player selected to the all star game in 91...but we have a guy like Kyle Korver making the all star game this year and Pippen was a far, far, far superior player to him. What makes this even funnier is the 91 playoff run was the best run Scottie ever had in the playoffs: 21.6ppg 8.9rpg 5.8apg 2.5spg 1.1bpg .504% .792%ft while leading the the entire playoffs in drating and defensive win shares...BUT, he didn't make the all star game, so it's a good thing they had Jordan to carry this all star less supporting cast to their first championship. :ohwell:
What?!

Korver > Pippen

Obviously..

Bankaii

10-14-2015, 11:22 PM

Bron is too much of a beta mentality to turn a teammate into a Pippen type player. That's the main difference between his mentality and Jordan's. You never hear stories about Bron working any of his teammates to death.
This thread has absolutely nothing to do with Lebron and you write a paragraph about him.

Insecurity.:roll: