(video)Shaq says Nash shouldn't have won 2 MVPs

[Rose'sACL]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aahXKVKT4e4

[ShawkFactory]

He shouldn't have won in 06.

05 was just a weak year. Duncan didn't play enough games or minutes. But he was definitely the best player.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Hes said it before on Open Court too. Any honest basketball fan feels the same

05 - Shaq
06 - Dirk

[Uncle Drew]

He's said this millions of times.

[FKAri]

He almost won 3 lol

[kennethgriffin]

Hes said it before on Open Court too. Any honest basketball fan feels the same

05 - Shaq
06 - Dirk


how about the guy who outscored dirks team by himself that season

[ShawkFactory]

how about the guy who outscored dirks team by himself that season
Close second

[midatlantic09]

Shaq is right. Nash having any MVPs is a joke.

He's an excellent player and definitely deserved to make some all-star teams, but MVP? No.

[Mr Feeny]

I think 2005 was about right. 2006 is a toss-up between Nash and dirk. For me Nash deserved it though. He carried that team without Amare. Lebron is 3rd imo.

[FKAri]

Shaq is right. Nash having any MVPs is a joke.

He's an excellent player and definitely deserved to make some all-star teams, but MVP? No.

If Rose and Curry can win MVP's than I have no problem with Nash winning it. This is the landscape of the modern NBA.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

how about the guy who outscored dirks team by himself that season
Kobe was best player in 06 for sure but MVP has always took team wins into account and LA didn't win enough games

[Papaya Petee]

If Nash doesn't win in 2005, thats fine, but Shaq didnt ****ing deserve it either. He was the 2nd best player on his team.

[Mr Feeny]

If Nash doesn't win in 2005, thats fine, but Shaq didnt ****ing deserve it either. He was the 2nd best player on his team.In 2005? I think you'd have a better case in 06.

It's similar to how Wade just dropped a level from 2011 (when he was arguably Miami's best player ) till 2012 (when he was a considerable distance below lebron)

[Marchesk]

Imagine if Cousy held Wilt and Russell to one MVP. :lol

Wilt should have won in 61, doe.

[Papaya Petee]

In 2005? I think you'd have a better case in 06.

It's similar to how Wade just dropped a level from 2011 (when he was arguably Miami's best player ) till 2012 (when he was a considerable distance below lebron)
No because in 06 its not even an argument :roll:

24/7/6/2/1 77 games regular season vs 23/10/3/2 73 games. Wade was the best scorer, playmaker, and defender that season.

27/7/6/2/1 14 playoff games vs 19/8/2/2 13 playoff games

05 Wade > 05 Shaq

[ShaqTwizzle]

27/7/6/2/1 14 playoff games vs 19/8/2/2 13 playoff games

05 Wade > 05 Shaq

Chill man.
MVP is a regular-season award.

During the 05 reg-season Shaq was clearly the Heat's best player (not even close) and he was imo the best player in the league.
He deserved the MVP and was the runaway leader for most of the year.

Shaq got injured right before the playoffs which is why his numbers plummeted.
You should appreciate what Shaq did for your franchise.

[ArbitraryWater]

Hes said it before on Open Court too. Any honest basketball fan feels the same

05 - Shaq
06 - Dirk

2005 was a weaker year, Nash gets that one... you're right about 2006 though.

[ShaqTwizzle]

2005 was a weaker year, Nash gets that one...

Why?
Shaq was a better player during the reg-season, put up better numbers and dragged a far less talented team to 60 wins.

He was the runaway leader for most of the year before the media went on a huge Nash campaign towards the end.

Shaq was the 2005 reg-season MVP.
Anyone who was watching ball that year knows it.

[midatlantic09]

If Rose and Curry can win MVP's than I have no problem with Nash winning it. This is the landscape of the modern NBA.

Hint: Both of those guys are overall better/more dominant than Nash.

[Wade's Rings]

Why?
Shaq was a better player during the reg-season, put up better numbers and dragged a far less talented team to 60 wins.

:kobe:


He was the runaway leader for most of the year before the media went on a huge Nash campaign towards the end.

Shaq was the 2005 reg-season MVP.
Anyone who was watching ball that year knows it.

I think he lost it at the end because the Heat did well with him missing games toward the end of the season IIRC. That lead to is it Shaq or Wade's team and this is probably why Nash got more consideration at the end.

[Wade's Rings]

Hint: Both of those guys are overall better/more dominant than Nash.

:biggums: :biggums: :biggums:

[Papaya Petee]

Chill man.
MVP is a regular-season award.

During the 05 reg-season Shaq was clearly the Heat's best player (not even close) and he was imo the best player in the league.
He deserved the MVP and was the runaway leader for most of the year.

Shaq got injured right before the playoffs which is why his numbers plummeted.
You should appreciate what Shaq did for your franchise.

Youre right. Wade was the best scorer, playmaker, defender, the closer for the team, yet Shaq was the best player on the Heat and its not even close....

Appreciate what? Shaq had 1 great regular season, 1 good regular season (58 games played averaging 19/9/2), one good post season while missing a bunch of games, one above average post season, and one piss poor finals performance where he was literally dragged by Wade.

Aside from that, Shaq in 07 was a disaster and couldn't leave Miami fast enough in 08. He missed a ton of time, complained, and left the team on a bad note just like Orlando and LA.

Now he goes around disrespecting Wade every chance he gets, when Wade dragged him to his 4th ring.

**** Shaq.

[ArbitraryWater]

Why?
Shaq was a better player during the reg-season, put up better numbers and dragged a far less talented team to 60 wins.

He was the runaway leader for most of the year before the media went on a huge Nash campaign towards the end.

Shaq was the 2005 reg-season MVP.
Anyone who was watching ball that year knows it.

Oh yeah? You may wanna check out the Suns' 2004 record, and then their significant additions in the Summer.

[!@#$%Vectors!@#]

Shaq says this shit all the time. Nothing to see here.

[Wade's Rings]

Youre right. Wade was the best scorer, playmaker, defender, the closer for the team, yet Shaq was the best player on the Heat and its not even close....

Appreciate what? Shaq had 1 great regular season, 1 good regular season (58 games played averaging 19/9/2), one good post season while missing a bunch of games, one above average post season, and one piss poor finals performance where he was literally dragged by Wade.

Aside from that, Shaq in 07 was a disaster and couldn't leave Miami fast enough in 08. He missed a ton of time, complained, and left the team on a bad note just like Orlando and LA.

Now he goes around disrespecting Wade every chance he gets, when Wade dragged him to his 4th ring.

**** Shaq.


:applause: :applause: :applause:

[ShaqTwizzle]

Youre right. Wade was the best scorer, playmaker and defender for the team, yet Shaq was the best player on the Heat and its not even close....


Uhh, no.
Shaq was the teams best scorer and he anchored their defense.
He got numerous (deserved) DPOY votes that year. Wade got none.

Shaq averaged 23 / 10.4 / 3-apg / 2.3-bpg on 58%TS (27.0 PER)
Wade averaged 24 / 5 / 6.8-apg on 56%TS (23.1 PER)

Not even close especially when you factor in that Shaq anchored the offense and everyone played off of him.
He was the main focus of opposing defenses.
He helped develop Wade while making it much easier for him.
He was an elite defensive anchor and DPOY candidate.

The Heat (with Odom) won 43 games in 2004 and had a negative -.53 team SRS rating.

With Shaq they won 59 games in 2005 and had a nearly plus 6+ SRS rating.
That is a HUGE difference.
Trying to ignore how big Shaq's impact was is foolish.
Shaq was far, far, far better then Wade in the 2005 reg-season.

Even in 2006 the Heat went 10-11 in the games Shaq missed.
So much for it being "all Wade" huh?


Appreciate what?

Meh.
Shaq might have only been a 20/10 guy in the 2006 run but he was still heavily double teamed and he was the vocal leader of the team.
His impact as always still went far beyond his numbers.
He was still an incredibly good player with huge impact.
He still had a dominant playoff series or two and played well in 3/4 Finals wins.

Without Shaq the Heat aren't doing anything in 05 or 06. They wouldn't have even been on the map.
And without Shaq giving Wade and the Heat franchise that legitmacy Lebron may have never come down so you'd have lost everything.

You owe Shaq alot bruh.


Now he goes around disrespecting Wade every chance he gets, when Wade dragged him to his 4th ring.

Wade wouldn't have sniffed that Ring without Shaq who was still a 20/10 guy and drew more doubles then anyone else on that team among other positive intangibles he brought.
He was also the clear leader of the 06 Heat.

Wade would have 0 Man Rings without Shaq.
Yeah he was the #2 in that 2006 run but was still a damn good player.
Saying he got carried is laughable.

06 Heat were 10-11 without him.
But yeah "carried" what a joke.

:coleman:

And Shaq hasn't said much bad about Wade and it was Wade who gave Shaq the cold shoulder because he was afraid of pissing off Riley which is what led to whatever hard feelings exist between them.

[Wade's Rings]

Uhh, no.
Shaq was the teams best scorer and he anchored their defense.

Shaq averaged 23 / 10.4 / 3-apg / 2.3-bpg on 58%TS (27.0 PER)
Wade averaged 24 / 5 / 6.8-apg on 56%TS (23.1 PER)

Not even close especially when you factor in that Shaq anchored the offense and everyone played off of him.
He was the main focus of opposing defenses.
He helped develop Wade while making it much easier for him.

The Heat (with Odom) won 43 games in 2004 and had a negative -.53 team SRS rating.

With Shaq they won 59 games in 2005 and had a nearly plus 6+ SRS rating.
That is a HUGE difference.
Trying to ignore how big Shaq's impact was is foolish.
Shaq was far, far, far better then Wade in the 2005 reg-season.

You do realize the Heat added players other than Shaq during the 2004 Offseason right? You realize Wade improved as a player and defender right?


Even in 2006 the Heat went 10-11 in the games Shaq missed.
So much for it being "all Wade" huh?

The Heat went 6-3 without Shaq in the 2005 Regular Season, 5-2 without Shaq but with Wade(58 win Pace) and Wade went 2-0 in the Playoffs without Shaq while Shaq went 0-1 without him. Wade and role players(and no replacement for Shaq) were on a 58 Win Pace without Shaq :bowdown: The same year Shaq was "robbed of MVP" and "was the best player on the Heat" :yaohappy:


Meh.
Shaq might have only been a 20/10 guy in the 2006 run but he was still heavily double teamed and he was the vocal leader of the team.
His impact as always still went far beyond his numbers.
He was still an incredibly good player with huge impact.
He still had a dominant playoff series or two and played well in 3/4 Finals wins.

He had 1 Dominant Playoff Series vs the Bulls in the 1st Round in 2006.


Without Shaq the Heat aren't doing anything in 05 or 06. They wouldn't have even been on the map.
And without Shaq giving Wade and the Heat franchise that legitmacy Lebron may have never come down so you'd have lost everything.

You owe Shaq alot bruh.

The Heat with Wade and a replacement for Shaq are still contenders those years. The Heat with a healthy Yao Ming are contenders :oldlol:



Wade wouldn't have sniffed that Ring without Shaq who was still 20/10 and drew more doubles then Wade did among other positive intangibles he brought.
He was also the clear leader of the 06 Heat.

Shaq put up 18/9 in the 2006 Playoffs and was not a great Defensive Player. Are you going to keep acting like Wade and the Heat with a replacement for Shaq aren't Title Contenders?


Wade would have 0 Man Rings without Shaq who might have been a #2 in that 2006 run but was still a damn good one.
Saying he got carried is laughable.

So lets remove Shaq from the team and add nobody to replace him. G


06 Heat were 10-11 without him.
They might have missed the playoffs without him.
But yeah "carried" what a joke.

:coleman:

And Shaq hasn't said much bad about Wade and it was Wade who gave Shaq the cold shoulder because he was afraid of pissing off Riley.

'05 Heat sans Shaq but with Wade were on a 58 Win Pace, just without Shaq a 54 Win Pace but yeah "best player on the Heat" what a joke :roll:

Shaq said Wade was the 2nd option for ALL his Titles.
Shaq said Wade wasn't better than T-Mac, Penny, and Alex English and didn't even have him in his 10 Best Players of this Generation.
Shaq called Wade "Wonderboy"

Shaq's insecurity :applause:

[aj1987]

Uhh, no.
Shaq was the teams best scorer and he anchored their defense.
He got numerous (deserved) DPOY votes that year. Wade got none.
Shaq - ....
Wade - All-Defensive 2nd team


Shaq averaged 23 / 10.4 / 3-apg / 2.3-bpg on 58%TS (27.0 PER)
Wade averaged 24 / 5 / 6.8-apg on 56%TS (23.1 PER)
So, Wade had 4 more assists and 1 more point that Shaq and Shaq got 5 rebounds more than Wade. That's it.


Not even close especially when you factor in that Shaq anchored the offense and everyone played off of him.
Shaq was assisted on more than 50% of his shots. Wade was the main playmaker on the Heat and he was the one who actually ran the offense.


He was the main focus of opposing defenses.
One of the main. Sure.


He helped develop Wade while making it much easier for him.
Are you kidding me? Wade was hitting game winners in his rookie season. He had two game winners as a matter of fact.


He was an elite defensive anchor and DPOY candidate.
He was good, but come on. Are you actually being serious?


The Heat (with Odom) won 43 games in 2004 and had a negative -.53 team SRS rating.

With Shaq they won 59 games in 2005 and had a nearly plus 6+ SRS rating.
That is a HUGE difference.
Not to mention Wade was a rookie the previous season.


Trying to ignore how big Shaq's impact was is foolish.
Nobody's doing that, but saying that Shaq was better is just rewriting history.


Shaq was far, far, far better then Wade in the 2005 reg-season.
:roll: :roll:


Even in 2006 the Heat went 10-11 in the games Shaq missed.
So much for it being "all Wade" huh?
In the only game Wade missed in the '05 PO's, Shaq got raped by the Pistons. Wade was absolutely destroying them until he got hurt. Shaq, the "best" player on the Heat couldn't even win a game with a hobbled Wade.


Shaq might have only been a 20/10 guy in the 2006 run but he was still heavily double teamed and he was the vocal leader of the team.
Yeah, no. Wrong again. Wade was the leader and Shaq publicly called him the best player on the Heat.


His impact as always still went far beyond his numbers.
He was still an incredibly good player with huge impact.
Nope. He was actually bad on the defensive end. Especially the Finals, during which Zo actually came in Shaq's place for defense.


He still had a dominant playoff series or two and played well in 3/4 Finals wins.
He had 2 good games and was terrible in the closeout game. He did, however, hit 2 clutch FT's in game 3.


Without Shaq the Heat aren't doing anything in 05 or 06. They wouldn't have even been on the map.
And without Shaq giving Wade and the Heat franchise that legitmacy Lebron may have never come down so you'd have lost everything.
Without Shaq, Miami would still have ~25M in salary cap. Enough to bring in legit pieces and build a contender.


Wade wouldn't have sniffed that Ring without Shaq who was still a 20/10 guy and drew more doubles then anyone else on that team among other positive intangibles he brought.
He was also the clear leader of the 06 Heat.
Without Wade, Shaq would have 3 rings. The only reason he won his 4th is because of Wade.

Heck, Shaq wouldn't have even sniffed the CF's without Wade on those teams.



Wade would have 0 Man Rings without Shaq.
Yeah he was the #2 in that 2006 run but was still a damn good player.
Saying he got carried is laughable.
~$25M in salary cap and Pat as the coach running the team? Yeah, the Heat would've been fine. Shaq was absolutely carried.

1st round:

Wade - 25/5/7/2/1 on 54% TS
Shaq - 20/11/2/2 on 58% TS

ECSF:

Wade - 28/6/7/2/1 on 60% TS
Shaq - 19/7/2/1 on 54% TS

ECF:

Wade - 27/5/6/2/2 on 68% TS
Shaq - 22/11/1/2 on 62% TS


06 Heat were 10-11 without him.
But yeah "carried" what a joke.
What about the PO's. During his "MVP" and "DPOY" level season, he was unable to carry the team past the Pistons. Even with a hobbled Wade, he was unable to lead the team past them.

Without Shaq, Wade put up 37/8/5/2/1 on 63% TS and CARRIED the heat past the Wizards in the ECSF. Pretty spectacular for Shaq's sidekick, right? :rolleyes:


And Shaq hasn't said much bad about Wade and it was Wade who gave Shaq the cold shoulder because he was afraid of pissing off Riley which is what led to whatever hard feelings exist between them.
LOL! Shaq is one of my favorite players, but the guy is a salty bitch. He burnt bridges EVERYWHERE. Left the Magic, Heat, Lakers, and Suns all on bad terms.

[Magic 32]

Shaq can't remember he was a sidekick in 2006.

I don't expect him remember much more than how many brownies he had for lunch.

[ShaqTwizzle]

You do realize the Heat added players other than Shaq during the 2004 Offseason right?


They lost their best player (Odom) and some roleplayers in the trade.
That alone more then cancelled out Wade's improvement.

So Shaq by himself turned a 43 win -.53 SRS team into a 59 win +6 SRS team.


The Heat went 10-11 without Shaq in the 2006 Regular Season

Yup.


He had 1 Dominant Playoff Series vs the Bulls in the 1st Round in 2006.

He also averaged 23 / 11 / 2.6-bpg on 64%TS over the last 5 games of the Detroit series (ECF) that year.

But yeah... I am sure any random big could have done that right?
Shaq was just a scrub dat year.

:kobe:


The Heat with Wade and a replacement for Shaq are still contenders those years.

Yeah if you get Duncan or maybe KG.
No other big could have replaced him and he was the best C in the entire league in 2006 and still easily a Top 10 player.

Keep trying to diminish him though.

I am actually a big Wade fan but Shaq was still a dominant player in 06 and played a HUGE role in that teams ability to be a contender and win it all.

Wade was incredible himself and the #1 but trying to diminish Shaq is a shame.
He did so much for Wade and Miami.

Whatever childish remarks he may have made after Wade ruined their friendship shouldn't bother Heat fans unless they are overly sensitive babies.
I am sure Wade could give less then a f*** about it.

[ShaqTwizzle]

I am sorry but only a completely delusional retard thinks Wade was better then Shaq in the 2005 reg-season.

This is coming from a Wade fan who freely admits that Wade was better then an injured Shaq in the 05 playoffs and in the entire 06 season.

[ShaqTwizzle]

Yeah, no. Wrong again. Wade was the leader and Shaq publicly called him the best player on the Heat.


Shaq was the clear-cut leader of that team.
He was clearly the alpha dawg when it came to the vocal leadership or the social dynamics of that team even if Wade was the better player and Shaq allowed him that #1 role on the court.


Nope. He was actually bad on the defensive end.

No he wasn't.
By 06 he was diminished on that end but he was still a solid rim-protector with a clear net positive impact on that end.


He had 2 good games and was terrible in the closeout game.
He did, however, hit 2 clutch FT's in game 3.

He averaged 17 / 12 / 3-apg on 69%FG / 62%TS over the first 3 Miami wins.
He was good in all 3 of those games.


Without Shaq, Miami would still have ~25M in salary cap. Enough to bring in legit pieces and build a contender.


Who would they have brought in?
Shaq was still the best C in the league.

Are they getting Duncan or KG? Nope.
They aren't winning shit without Shaq.


Shaq was absolutely carried.

Yeah because a highly efficient 20/10 bigs with an incredibly high BBIQ, who draws constant double teams and can still protect the rim grow on trees.

What an asinine statement.

[Wade's Rings]

They lost their best player (Odom) and some roleplayers in the trade.
That alone more then cancelled out Wade's improvement.

So Shaq by himself turned a 43 win -.53 SRS team into a 59 win +6 SRS team.

They added equally as great Role Players and Wade's Improvement was also big.




Yup.

Thanks for holding that L


He also averaged 23 / 11 / 2.6-bpg on 64%TS over the last 5 games of the Detroit series (ECF) that year.

But yeah... I am sure any random big could have done that right?
Shaq was just a scrub dat year.

:kobe:

Yao Ming was an All-Star big who could've easily replaced Shaq and his defense was better too.



Yeah if you get Duncan or maybe KG.
No other big could have replaced him and he was the best C in the entire league in 2006 and still easily a Top 10 player.


Keep trying to diminish him though.

I am actually a big Wade fan but Shaq was still a dominant player in 06 and played a HUGE role in that teams ability to be a contender and win it all.

Yao Ming and Shaq were pretty much equals that year. Like I said replace Shaq with a quality big like him than they are more then likely going to win it all.


Wade was incredible himself and the #1 but trying to diminish Shaq is a shame.
He did so much for Wade and Miami.

Whatever childish remarks he may have made after Wade ruined their friendship shouldn't bother Heat fans unless they are overly sensitive babies.
I am sure Wade could give less then a f*** about it.

You sound extremely childish saying Wade ruined their friendship. Wade has only said good things about Shaq since they split but Shaq like the big man-baby he is has only made childish remarks.

[DMV2]

Isn't Nash the only MVP winner to never play in the Finals? I remember hearing that during a playoff series.

Rose is the only other one I can think of but Rose is still active.

So yeah, can't really argue against Shaq with this one.

[ShaqTwizzle]

They added equally as great Role Players and Wade's Improvement was also big.

Remove Shaq and they obviously lost far more then they gained.


Thanks for holding that L

10-11.


Yao Ming was an All-Star big who could've easily replaced Shaq and his defense was better too.

Yao was injured that year and either way he was the lesser player of the two.
You are discounting some of the unique intangibles Shaq brought as a player.
He was GOAT player and even late in his Prime his impact was beyond his numbers.


Like I said replace Shaq with a quality big like him

Yeah except outside of Duncan or KG no other "big" would have done.
Yao was injured and even then I don't think he was good enough.


You sound extremely childish saying Wade ruined their friendship.

I only repeat what Shaq himself said in his book.
He said that they were close but after the Riley falling out Wade gave him the cold shoulder.
I personally don't really think it matters much if they remained friends or not.
Who cares?
All I know is during that 05-06 period Shaq treated Wade very nicely.
Would seem odd that Shaq would start disliking him for no reason.

[4 Inches]

Nash only won MVP those years because the league needed a white MVP to keep white people interested in the NBA after the Malice in the Palace
2005 MVP-Nash
2006 MVP-Nash
2007-MVP Dirk
Proves my point.

[aj1987]

Shaq was the clear-cut leader of that team.
He was clearly the alpha dawg when it came to the vocal leadership or the social dynamics of that team even if Wade was the better player and Shaq allowed him that #1 role on the court.
Yeah, because Shaq wasn't capable of being the #1 option anymore.


No he wasn't.
By 06 he was diminished on that end but he was still a solid rim-protector with a clear net positive impact on that end.
I suggest you watch a couple of games from the '05 and '06 seasons. In '05, Shaq was good, but not elite by any means. Wade was elite defensively. In '06, he was flat out terrible on occasions.


He averaged 17 / 12 / 3-apg on 69%FG / 62%TS over the first 3 Miami wins.
He was good in all 3 of those games.
I'll do a game by game breakdown. I haven't watched the series in over a year, so my memory might be a bit iffy.

Game 1 - Wade wasn't that good and Shaq struggled form the FT line.
Game 2 - Shaq was flat out terrible
Game 3 - Decent game. Not a great game, but he did hit clutch AF FT's. 2 in a row. His family went crazy after he hit the second one. Other than those 2 FT's, I don't remember him doing much in the 4th Q.
Game 4 - Mav's got WRECKED. Good game from Shaq.
Game 5 - Again, Shaq was ghost in the 4th and OT. As much hate Wade gets because of the FT's, the guy hit 7 shots and scored like 20 points in the 4th and OT.
Game 6 - Another terrible game from Shaq.

You brought up Shaq's stats over the 3 W's... 17/12/3 on 62% TS? Wade averaged 40/8/3/2 on 61% TS over the same 3 games. Wade also had more blocks than Shaq in the Finals and only 14 fewer rebounds than Shaq.


Who would they have brought in?
Shaq was still the best C in the league.
I really don't remember the FA scene from 2004. You're just looking at C's, but the Heat could've used an elite PF and a couple more 3&D guys. They had the cap space to sign player as well. Pat went all in on Shaq though. Never really considered other options, IIRC.


Yeah because a highly efficient 20/10 bigs with an incredibly high BBIQ, who draws constant double teams and can still protect the rim grow on trees.

What an asinine statement.
You cherrypicked 3 games to show that Shaq was good in the Finals.

17/12/3 on 62% TS. Wade averaged 40/8/3/2 on 61% TS over the same stretch. More than double the points, twice as many assists, more steals, and MUCH fewer TOV's than Shaq. All while being clutch AF in the 4th and OT.

Yeah, that's the definition of carried.

[Goro]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aahXKVKT4e4

I agree with Shaq.

[Goro]

how about the guy who outscored dirks team by himself that season
:roll:

[TheBigVeto]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aahXKVKT4e4

What a moron. That racist thievin goon.

[Smoke117]

I honestly don't consider Shaq to be the "leader" of any team he was ever on. He was too much of sensitive, egotistical, immature man child to be a true leader.

[Wade's Rings]

Remove Shaq and they obviously lost far more then they gained.

Their record without him says other wise :D



10-11.

5-2


Yao was injured that year and either way he was the lesser player of the two. You are discounting some of the unique intangibles Shaq brought as a player.
He was GOAT player and even late in his Prime his impact was beyond his numbers.

Please list them.


I only repeat what Shaq himself said in his book.
He said that they were close but after the Riley falling out Wade gave him the cold shoulder.
I personally don't really think it matters much if they remained friends or not.
Who cares?
All I know is during that 05-06 period Shaq treated Wade very nicely.
Would seem odd that Shaq would start disliking him for no reason.

Shaq burned bridges with about half of the teams he played on. Of course it was Wade's fault and not Shaq's. Not like Shaq was lazy and out of shape. He treated everybody nicely when he was with them. The Kobe-Shaq feud(they seem to have made up now), I gave you examples of him and Miami, When he was with Phoenix he only spoke great things about Nash & Amare...now look what he says about them.