2001 Lakers vs 2015 Warriors: Who wins?

[IGOTGAME]

Who ya got?

[RRR3]

Hmmm...prime Shaq and Kobe vs. Zero Votes Curry and his stacked team


Tough one. But I'm going with Shaq and Kobe.

[ImKobe]

Lakers in 4.

[Thesmallmamba]

Lakers in 4.



How? Only position the Lakers have an advantage is in Center, and the Warriors also have a better bench.

[GIF REACTION]

Lakers in 6-7

Let's not be ridiculous here people

If Philly can take 1 off them, surely a 67 win team with an MVP can

[GIF REACTION]

I think this Warriors team is getting underrated a bit atm

The finals result was a combination of Lebron's brilliance and Golden state underperforming (Particularly Curry and Klay the 2 main scorers)

[Legends66NBA7]

Hmmm.... wonder if this thread came into fruition from same thread in another forum....

[sdot_thadon]

2001 Lakers, 7 or 8 times out of 10.

[FreezingTsmoove]

How? Only position the Lakers have an advantage is in Center, and the Warriors also have a better bench.

Only position they have an advantage with is at center :lol

Thats the only position you need an advantage in little boy :lol

And in what world is Klay thompson better than a young frobe

[Dragonyeuw]

Honestly, 2001 Shaq is going to be the difference in most of these matchups. There was simply nothing you could do with him, except put him on the line, but he was fouling out your entire frontcourt in the process. 2001 Kobe is also going to make it hellacious for Klay on both ends.

[34-24 Footwork]

Lakers in 4....and I don't think any game would be close.

[Legends66NBA7]

Only position they have an advantage with is at center :lol

Thats the only position you need an advantage in little boy :lol

And in what world is Klay thompson better than a young frobe

Username: "Thesmallmamba"

[34-24 Footwork]

It's not just Dumping the basketball down to Shaq.....it's Kobe's penetration (no homo) and finding Shaq as well. I think people are forgetting how fast that mofo was and how a lot of Shaqs points came off shovel passes during his tenure with the lakers.

[sportjames23]

Shaq would eat good.

[34-24 Footwork]

Lol @ Mozgov scoring 28 points against them.

[KG215]

How? Only position the Lakers have an advantage is in Center, and the Warriors also have a better bench.
The Lakers would have the two best players in the series and then better coach. That means a lot come playoff time.

[Thesmallmamba]

Only position they have an advantage with is at center :lol

Thats the only position you need an advantage in little boy :lol




I've only been posting here for a day, but the level of retardness displayed by your posts :facepalm


Should've known, you're a cHeat fan who got mindf*cked since LeBron left your pathetic franchise



Having an advantage at only C is NOT good enough

By that logic the Kings should win the championship every season since they have an advantage at C (Demarcus is the best C in the league) vs every team in the league

:rolleyes:

[FreezingTsmoove]

I've only been posting here for a day, but the level of retardness displayed by your posts :facepalm


Should've known, you're a cHeat fan who got mindf*cked since LeBron left your pathetic franchise



Having an advantage at only C is NOT good enough

By that logic the Kings should win the championship every season since they have an advantage at C (Demarcus is the best C in the league) vs every team in the league

:rolleyes:

This little boy just compared prime Shaq to Demarcus Cousins :lol

No im serious ISH read this new guys post he just compared 2001 shaq to Demarcus cousins :lol

AND HES SERIOUS ABOUT IT TOO

[ArbitraryWater]

Lakers in 3, actually

[PHILA]

There was simply nothing you could do with him, except put him on the line, but he was fouling out your entire frontcourt in the process.

Yes Shaq would have that frontcourt in foul trouble just fighting for position off the ball. Below we can see how he demolished the Sixers frontline late in the 3rd quarter of Game 1.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XQtkmIG-1U&t=15m52s


Even though this is from 2000 you can still see how much defensive attention teams gave him. And he draws a foul before the shot goes up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hScvvOtBOi4&t=1m25s


If the Warriors don't sag in the paint defensively every possession with the on ball defender playing his man tight, they may be exposed to quick plays like this below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hScvvOtBOi4&t=4m34s

[!@#$%Vectors!@#]

The Lakers would have the two best players in the series and then better coach. That means a lot come playoff time.


Phil is an overrated coach who rides on the backs of GOATS. Honestly without have top 5 players in his teams I don't even think phil wins more than 1 chip.

Zen master my azz.

I say Warriors win in 7 based on alltime great ball movement, Hack a shaq once the lakers are about to get their rhythm, even with their mediocre play in the finals if the warriors actually showed up cavs would have been swept. keeping this in mind, Obese Shaq is still scary but bogut has decent rim protection and wouldn't be feasted on as easy as you all think he would.

6'7 Rodman shut Shaq down. I'm sure Kerr would find a way to do so too.

[dhsilv]

2001 or 2015 rules? That's going to dramatically change how such a series would be played.

If you can run an offense of pounding the ball down to shaq against Bogut like you could have in 2001, I think it's going to be a pretty easy laker win. However today's rules? I'm struggling to see Fisher, Fox, and Grant playing defense against the speed and passing of the warriors. Shaq and Kobe still dominate but I'm not sure if that's enough.

I'd pay to watch.

[Rocketswin2013]

Curry gets underrated way too often.

[bdreason]

Modern rules? Warriors in 6 or 7.

2001 rules? Lakers in 5 or 6.

[!@#$%Vectors!@#]

Curry gets underrated way too often.
:cheers:

[HOoopCityJones]

The Los Angeles Lakers.

[BigNBAfan]

Phil is an overrated coach who rides on the backs of GOATS. Honestly without have top 5 players in his teams I don't even think phil wins more than 1 chip.

Zen master my azz.

I say Warriors win in 7 based on alltime great ball movement, Hack a shaq once the lakers are about to get their rhythm, even with their mediocre play in the finals if the warriors actually showed up cavs would have been swept. keeping this in mind, Obese Shaq is still scary but bogut has decent rim protection and wouldn't be feasted on as easy as you all think he would.

6'7 Rodman shut Shaq down. I'm sure Kerr would find a way to do so too.

This would make sense if any of those players were GOAT before Phil. But they were nothing before phil and they were back to nothing after phil.

[aj1987]

Phil is an overrated coach who rides on the backs of GOATS. Honestly without have top 5 players in his teams I don't even think phil wins more than 1 chip.

Zen master my azz.

I say Warriors win in 7 based on alltime great ball movement, Hack a shaq once the lakers are about to get their rhythm, even with their mediocre play in the finals if the warriors actually showed up cavs would have been swept. keeping this in mind, Obese Shaq is still scary but bogut has decent rim protection and wouldn't be feasted on as easy as you all think he would.

6'7 Rodman shut Shaq down. I'm sure Kerr would find a way to do so too.
Dumbest post from you thus far and that's saying a lot.

:oldlol: @ Bogut even slowing peak Shaq.
:oldlol: @ Rodman "shutting down" Shaq.
:oldlol: @ Kerr "finding a way" to shut down Shaq.

'01 Shaq and Kobe would absolutely RAPE the Warriors. Kobe was a beast defensively and Shaq would probably average 40/20. Then you have Fox and Horry who were pretty good defensively.

This series would be over in 5 MAX. The Lakers would curb stomp the Warriors.

[SwayDizzle]

oh man, is this even a question? 2001 Lakers is arguably the best NBA team ever. The 2011 Mavs would school the f*ck out of the 2015 Warriors.

[HOoopCityJones]

Dumbest post from you thus far and that's saying a lot.

:oldlol: @ Bogut even slowing peak Shaq.
:oldlol: @ Rodman "shutting down" Shaq.
:oldlol: @ Kerr "finding a way" to shut down Shaq.

'01 Shaq and Kobe would absolutely RAPE the Warriors. Kobe was a beast defensively and Shaq would probably average 40/20. Then you have Fox and Horry who were pretty good defensively.

This series would be over in 5 MAX. The Lakers would curb stomp the Warriors.

01 Kobe's playmaking alone would rape The Warriors.

[sportjames23]

I've only been posting here for a day, but the level of retardness displayed by your posts :facepalm


Should've known, you're a cHeat fan who got mindf*cked since LeBron left your pathetic franchise



Having an advantage at only C is NOT good enough

By that logic the Kings should win the championship every season since they have an advantage at C (Demarcus is the best C in the league) vs every team in the league

:rolleyes:


Sure you have.

[bobopenguin]

in today's league, Shaq will make every warrior players foul out in 20min.
Shaq would break Bogut's body and mind in 1 dunk.

[TheBigVeto]

The Warriors.

[1987_Lakers]

I can see this being a very competitive series, the '02 Kings took the Lakers to 7 games, a team very similar to the Warriors without the defense.

[Goro]

What is the purpose of this obvious thread?

[Goro]

I can see this being a very competitive series, the '02 Kings took the Lakers to 7 games, a team very similar to the Warriors without the defense.
The 2001 Kings were even more similar to the 2002 Kings than the 2015 Warriors were, and the 2001 Lakers swept them. Lakers slaughter the 2015 Warriors. I think Lakers win 4-1.

[Cold soul]

Lakers slaughter Warriors in 4 games at best Warriors maybe win one game.

[West-Side]

How? Only position the Lakers have an advantage is in Center, and the Warriors also have a better bench.

Shooting guard?

[SouBeachTalents]

The Warriors were on the ropes against a Love/Irving less Cavs team with LeBron shooting under 40%. I'll take the Lakers in this one

[Showtime80']

Unless you have Michael Jordan in your back court, a GREAT inside team will beat a soft perimeter oriented team like the Warriors 9 out of 10 times under ANY RULES!

With the soft video game rules the NBA has now the Warriors take away maybe 1 game, with the 2001 rules which resembled real basketball those Lakers SLAUGHTER the Warriors!

Shaq at his absolute peak and Kobe nearing his?!? Please!

The Warriors are a nice little team for today's NBA but would translate horribly into any other era of basketball

[IGOTGAME]

If you wanna take Curry out of the game you gotta do to things the Lakers could do:

1. Make him guard..preferable post him up. Any of the lakers guards could post him up easily or just run them down there to tire him out.

2. How athletic long disciplined defenders to guard him. Go back and look at the 2001 lakers. kobes defense is a prob gonna surprise those young folks.

This is not even mentioning Shaq who could have possible been the greatest player to ever pick up a basketball during the playoffs in 2001. That is how good he was...wasn't even fair. And you telling me he isn't gonna shit on some guys trying to say his style of pay doesn't work.

Also not to mention...Kobe was a ****ing monster. That's two monsters with championship experience plus GOAT tier role players. Horry, Fisher and Fox were no joke. They were tough, good defenders that made winning plays all day long.

[West-Side]

I can see this being a very competitive series, the '02 Kings took the Lakers to 7 games, a team very similar to the Warriors without the defense.

:oldlol: What?
We're talking about the 2001 Lakers, not the 2002 battling injuries.
The 2001 Lakers won like 20 straight games before finally losing to the 76ers in overtime after a long layoff. And it took Iverson's historic playoff game to even upset LA.

They should have been the first team in league history to sweep the competition in every round.

Fact is, Kobe and Shaq were the two best players in the world during those playoffs. They took turns on shitting on their opponents. Kobe took a dump on SA, while Shaq took a dump on the Sixers.

Jordan & Pippen in their PRIME would have gotten slaughtered by 01' Kobe & Shaq. I guess too many of you youngsters just haven't seen the dominance. They swept a pretty darn good Spurs team by an average victory margin of 20 PPG; to this day, it's the highest point differential in league history.

They did this to a 2nd seed Spurs team that won close to 60 games in the regular season I believe.

They would wreck Golden State in 5 games max.

[PAOK]

good luck playing small ball against peak Shaq

[ralph_i_el]

Either the Warriors keep the tempo up, and they win.....

OR.

Shaq and Kobe are able to slow the game down, and they win.


These two teams could not have been more different. The Lakers obviously have 2 of the 3 best players on the court, but the Warriors have the shooting and tactical flexibility to make it a close series.

Lakers in 7


:oldlol: What?
We're talking about the 2001 Lakers, not the 2002 battling injuries.
The 2001 Lakers won like 20 straight games before finally losing to the 76ers in overtime after a long layoff. And it took Iverson's historic playoff game to even upset LA.

They should have been the first team in league history to sweep the competition in every round.

Fact is, Kobe and Shaq were the two best players in the world during those playoffs. They took turns on shitting on their opponents. Kobe took a dump on SA, while Shaq took a dump on the Sixers.

Jordan & Pippen in their PRIME would have gotten slaughtered by 01' Kobe & Shaq. I guess too many of you youngsters just haven't seen the dominance. They swept a pretty darn good Spurs team by an average victory margin of 20 PPG; to this day, it's the highest point differential in league history.

They did this to a 2nd seed Spurs team that won close to 60 games in the regular season I believe.

They would wreck Golden State in 5 games max.

The Warriors put up a top-10 all time Margin of Victory and SRS. They did that while resting their players, and playing in an extremely tough conference. The only teams in history with higher SRS than last season's Warriors had MJ, Wilt, or Kareem. Let's not just write them off like that. 8 of the top-10 teams in SRS won a championship that season, and one of the teams that lost (71-72 Bucks) had to play another top-10 SRS team (Lakers) in the conference finals that season.

These Warriors are the only team to ever lead the league in both pace AND defensive efficiency. While other All-time-great squads ran their guys in the mid-high 30's in minutes played, Curry led the Warriors with 32.7 MPG

[WayOfWade]

It would certainly be entertaining to see if the Warriors would try to go small ball and how successful they would be, but short and simple they are going up against the most dominant playoff team ever, there's a reason they went 15-1 there. As good as the Warriors are, you'd have to give the series edge to the Lakers 9 times out of 10

[West-Side]

Either the Warriors keep the tempo up, and they win.....

OR.

Shaq and Kobe are able to slow the game down, and they win.


These two teams could not have been more different. The Lakers obviously have 2 of the 3 best players on the court, but the Warriors have the shooting and tactical flexibility to make it a close series.

Lakers in 7



The Warriors put up a top-10 all time Margin of Victory and SRS. They did that while resting their players, and playing in an extremely tough conference. The only teams in history with higher SRS than last season's Warriors had MJ, Wilt, or Kareem. Let's not just write them off like that. 8 of the top-10 teams in SRS won a championship that season, and one of the teams that lost (71-72 Bucks) had to play another top-10 SRS team (Lakers) in the conference finals that season.

These Warriors are the only team to ever lead the league in both pace AND defensive efficiency. While other All-time-great squads ran their guys in the mid-high 30's in minutes played, Curry led the Warriors with 32.7 MPG

Uhm the Lakers swept the 01' Kings.
Sacramento was #1 on offense that year; #2 in SRS and #2 in pace.

[West-Side]

The Lakers then proceeded to destroy the Spurs.
Who had the highest SRS that year at 7.92.

[Achilleas]

the warriors can only win if they stop all the other players,let oneal score 45 points,don't double him,he can score 50 points but he will not have the stamina all the time and foul him

and on offence all the time play pick and roll with the player oneal defend,so if he stay back curry will start shooting 3s

gsw had 3-4 players centers who can foul out and don't care
play like nop (davis) and clev (lebron)

[IGOTGAME]

the warriors can only win if they stop all the other players,let oneal score 45 points,don't double him,he can score 50 points but he will not have the stamina all the time and foul him

and on offence all the time play pick and roll with the player oneal defend,so if he stay back curry will start shooting 3s

gsw had 3-4 players centers who can foul out and don't care
play like nop (davis) and clev (lebron)


So your in the penalty while guarding Kobe one on one. Let's see how that works

[Achilleas]

So your in the penalty while guarding Kobe one on one. Let's see how that works

you can't stop them,you must let someone,i prefet to let kobe than oneal,and hope klay and iggy to hold him ,it is easier to stop kobe than oneal :confusedshrug:

[West-Side]

you can't stop them,you must let someone,i prefet to let kobe than oneal,and hope klay and iggy to hold him ,it is easier to stop kobe than oneal :confusedshrug:

In 2001, Kobe was arguably more dangerous than even Shaq though (before the finals).

[IGOTGAME]

you can't stop them,you must let someone,i prefet to let kobe than oneal,and hope klay and iggy to hold him ,it is easier to stop kobe than oneal :confusedshrug:

It's also easy to stop every player in history than prime Shaq.

Guess what...it's a horrible mismatch with Klay on Kobe and the more you play Iggy at small forward the more you lose shooting.

So you pretty much have Shaq getting buckets, Kobe getting buckets and then everyone else getting buckets. You plan is to let Shaq and Kobe get there points and hold the best down...doesn't work like that. Maybe with one player but not too...fisher will still get his good looks and the same with

All this strategy boils down to is we think we can make enough 3s to outscore them. Because you can't leave these guys on an island...this isn't Lebron, Kobe lives there and with the other team in foul trouble it's not gonna be a good look.

[scandisk_]

Switch Frobe on Curry

and it's goin to be nasty

Lakers in 5

01 or 15 rules

[West-Side]

It's also easy to stop every player in history than prime Shaq.

Guess what...it's a horrible mismatch with Klay on Kobe and the more you play Iggy at small forward the more you lose shooting.

So you pretty much have Shaq getting buckets, Kobe getting buckets and then everyone else getting buckets. You plan is to let Shaq and Kobe get there points and hold the best down...doesn't work like that. Maybe with one player but not too...fisher will still get his good looks and the same with

All this strategy boils down to is we think we can make enough 3s to outscore them. Because you can't leave these guys on an island...this isn't Lebron, Kobe lives there and with the other team in foul trouble it's not gonna be a good look.

2001 Lakers also had guys like Grant, Fisher, Fox, Shaw, Horry, Rider & Harper. All are experience professionals who would knock down the open jumpers all game long. Kobe & Shaq played at an extremely high level during that playoff run which resulted in everyone else's job much easier as a result.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Today's officiating and style ... 2015 Warriors have a shot. When physicality was allowed? Near peak Shaq with Kobe entering his prime. No question the 2001 Lakers.

[aj1987]

Today's officiating and style ... 2015 Warriors. When physicality was allowed? Near peak Shaq with Kobe entering his prime. No question the 2001 Lakers.
:biggums: :biggums:

Past his prime ancient Shaq was putting up 18/8 on 62% in '09.

[Thesmallmamba]

As I stated earlier the Warriors have an advantage in every position except Center. They also have far better depth

Shaq would literally have to make up for all those deficiencies by himself.


If LeBron couldnt do it theres no way Shaq could

[Achilleas]

2001 Lakers also had guys like Grant, Fisher, Fox, Shaw, Horry, Rider & Harper. All are experience professionals who would knock down the open jumpers all game long. Kobe & Shaq played at an extremely high level during that playoff run which resulted in everyone else's job much easier as a result.

and gsw was the best defence
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2001-nba-finals-76ers-vs-lakers.html
kobe only take 9 3point attempts :kobe:

[SHAQisGOAT]

Lakers in 6... I'd say 7 at the VERY MOST.

LA had prime Shaq inside and prime Kobe on the perimeter... That easily "exceeds" GS's two best players.
Plus, Lakers also had plenty of good role players around those two, players who knew what their job was and were good at it... Talking about shooting, clutch play, rebounding, defense...

Lakers around those years usually turned it up another notch for the Playoffs, and that season they just steamrolled their way to the title...
Only lost once in 16 games, were 1st in PPG, 3rd in opp/PPG, 1st in FG%, 3rd in 3P%, 2nd in opp/FG%, 1st in ORtg, 1st in DRtg, 1st in ORB%...

If Golden State tried to go small-ball, Shaq would be like http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/shaq.png

For the 2015 Finals, Bogut and Ezeli only played 18 and 10 minutes per game, respectively... That could've never went down against O'Neal or even remotely close, Shaq would just straight up body Green, Speights or Lee...
And if they get them in foul-trouble? Kobe goes to work right there. Or if they end up without them bigger guys? Shaq KILLS them. And good luck with those double-teams, Diesel was a smart player who could pass the ball, while LA had Fisher, Horry, Kobe, Fox, Shaw... for them open shots.

And Bogut, as great as he is defensively (more team D though), wouldn't be able to keep up with Shaq, tbh.

Oh, and you got some mf'ers acting like Shaq would get instantly tired or something :wtf: :facepalm
This is not old-ass, fat Shaquille we're talking about here... Get real.
Plus, for the whole Playoffs, GS played at a 93.7 pace in 2015, while LA was at 92.0 in 2001...

[Achilleas]

maybe gsw can play zone fore some time to help them

[Fallen Angel]

Anthony Davis averaged 31/11/2/3 on 21 FGA per game and 9 FTA per game vs Golden State in the Playoffs.
He got swept.

The question shouldn't just be "Who's gonna stop Shaq".

It should be "Who's gonna stop Curry, and Klay, and the role players, and the ball movement"

[ClipperRevival]

Lakers in 6.

[DavisIsMyUniBro]

Anthony Davis averaged 31/11/2/3 on 21 FGA per game and 9 FTA per game vs Golden State in the Playoffs.
He got swept.

The question shouldn't just be "Who's gonna stop Shaq".

It should be "Who's gonna stop Curry, and Klay, and the role players, and the ball movement"

offensively, the pels actually fared better against the warriors than any other team.

the problem was that it was pathetic defensively.

Davis's numbers werent empty stats, but they werent an accurate representation of an impact a 31-11-2-3 on 56 ish TS% should look like.

[SHAQisGOAT]

Anthony Davis averaged 31/11/2/3 on 21 FGA per game and 9 FTA per game vs Golden State in the Playoffs.
He got swept.

The question shouldn't just be "Who's gonna stop Shaq".

It should be "Who's gonna stop Curry, and Klay, and the role players, and the ball movement"

Davis, as good as he is already (with major potential still), is not as good as prime Shaq, nor even that close.

Oh, and Davis wasn't playing alongside a prime Kobe Bryant, along with plenty of good role-players who knew their role very well, in a great system, with an all-time great coach :rolleyes:

Plus, let's not act like the Lakers couldn't play D or stop teams or something... Plus, Shaq was all-defensive in those years, and so was Kobe who at that time definitely deserved it.

"Who's gonna stop prime Shaq, and prime Kobe, and plenty of good role players, playing for an atg coach, with a great system" is definitely scarier than "who's gonna stop Curry, and Klay, and the role players, and the ball movement"...

[DavisIsMyUniBro]

Davis, as good as he is already (with major potential still), is not as good as prime Shaq, nor even that close.

Oh, and Davis wasn't playing alongside a prime Kobe Bryant, along with plenty of good role-players who knew their role very well, in a great system, with an all-time great coach :rolleyes:

Plus, let's not act like the Lakers couldn't play D or stop teams or something... Plus, Shaq was all-defensive in those years, and so was Kobe who at that time definitely deserved it.

"Who's gonna stop prime Shaq, and prime Kobe, and plenty of good role players, playing for an atg coach, with a great system" is definitely scarier than "who's gonna stop Curry, and Klay, and the role players, and the ball movement"...


if we are talking about pure offense, the pelicans fared very, very well. I mean, i totally agree with what you are saying. (with davis not actually playing like his stats show, the pelicans had a 107 offensive rating against the warriors. using the averages, I think thats teh equivelant of how a number one offense would perform. replace davis with shaq, and tyreke with kobe, and the series is very different. Honestly, looking at that series as a whole, game 3 was just a huge crap taken by monty.

the lakers are a way, way better team than the pelicans.

[sportjames23]

I guess we're at that stage where teams like the early 2000 Lakers get shit on here. Lots of Kobe and Lebron stans shit on the teams of the 80s and 90s, now it's time for teams like the 2001 Lakers to get dissed. In a few years, it'll be the Big Three Heat's time. :oldlol:

[Papaya Petee]

I can't believe some of the shit I'm reading here.


The Lakers win this series EVERY SINGLE TIME

[RidonKs]

warriors

bogut and ezili are good defenders on shaq
david lee gets more time since la has no imposing pf
iguodala and thompson share task of guarding bryant
no way for the lakers to contain the splash bros

phil jackson would make it a challenge but i have the warriors in 6 or 7

[choppermagic]

I can't believe this crap has carried over to another forum even.

Let's look at the 2001 Finals 3p FG% of some of the Laker shooters:

Kobe - 33%
Fisher - 53%
Fox - 47%
Horry- 62%
Lue - 67%

Yeah, let's not think GS would even own the perimeter, let alone give up everything inside, including probably 25 rebounds a game to Shaq.

And letting Shaq or Kobe "get his" strategy was too dangerous for these two players. Shaq could dump 62p/30r on your team if you let him go, and the Raptors tried letter Kobe "get his" and hold everyone else down and he got 81.

Lakers would have the best 2 players in the series and probably the most successful offensive system in the history of the NBA, not to mention the GOAT Coach running the show.

[riseagainst]

I can't believe this crap has carried over to another forum even.

Let's look at the 2001 Finals 3p FG% of some of the Laker shooters:

Kobe - 33%
Fisher - 53%
Fox - 47%
Horry- 62%
Lue - 67%

Yeah, let's not think GS would even own the perimeter, let alone give up everything inside, including probably 25 rebounds a game to Shaq.

And letting Shaq or Kobe "get his" strategy was too dangerous for these two players. Shaq could dump 62p/30r on your team if you let him go, and the Raptors tried letter Kobe "get his" and hold everyone else down and he got 81.

Lakers would have the best 2 players in the series and probably the most successful offensive system in the history of the NBA, not to mention the GOAT Coach running the show.


this.

[GIF REACTION]

I can't believe this crap has carried over to another forum even.

Let's look at the 2001 Finals 3p FG% of some of the Laker shooters:

Kobe - 33%
Fisher - 53%
Fox - 47%
Horry- 62%
Lue - 67%

Yeah, let's not think GS would even own the perimeter, let alone give up everything inside, including probably 25 rebounds a game to Shaq.

And letting Shaq or Kobe "get his" strategy was too dangerous for these two players. Shaq could dump 62p/30r on your team if you let him go, and the Raptors tried letter Kobe "get his" and hold everyone else down and he got 81.

Lakers would have the best 2 players in the series and probably the most successful offensive system in the history of the NBA, not to mention the GOAT Coach running the show.
Terrible logic

Let's let every single player in NBA history go for their career high!

Like it's not even that rare, despite the obviousness of it all?

[ralph_i_el]

I can't believe this crap has carried over to another forum even.

Let's look at the 2001 Finals 3p FG% of some of the Laker shooters:

Kobe - 33%
Fisher - 53%
Fox - 47%
Horry- 62%
Lue - 67%

Yeah, let's not think GS would even own the perimeter, let alone give up everything inside, including probably 25 rebounds a game to Shaq.

And letting Shaq or Kobe "get his" strategy was too dangerous for these two players. Shaq could dump 62p/30r on your team if you let him go, and the Raptors tried letter Kobe "get his" and hold everyone else down and he got 81.

Lakers would have the best 2 players in the series and probably the most successful offensive system in the history of the NBA, not to mention the GOAT Coach running the show.

:facepalm

That's just to be expected from all those guys? If anything, this is an argument against them, because you can't expect all those guys to shoot so much higher than their career numbers in every series.

[GIF REACTION]

It wasn't until 2002 that ALL aspects of Illegal defense was removed

[G0ATbe]

Lakers in 5. Sole reason Cavs lost was because they were led by a guy shooting like 30% FG 10%3PT while playing 0 defense:lol :lol :lol. Kobe owns Iggy.

[ralph_i_el]

Uhm the Lakers swept the 01' Kings.
Sacramento was #1 on offense that year; #2 in SRS and #2 in pace.

Do you not understand the concept of offensive efficiency? The Kings scored the most points that year, but that doesn't mean that statistically had the best offense. It was a function of them playing at a high pace. They actually had the 9th best offensive efficiency, meaning that if you take pace out of the equation, they scored the 9th most points per possession. The Warriors last season had the #2 points per possession, and the #1 Pace, and the #1 defensive points per possession.


Back in the day, people would have talked shit about the Warriors giving up 100 ppg, but today we understand that it is a function of them playing at a high pace. They gave up the least points to their opponents per possession.

This, combined with strength of schedule gave them a SRS of 10.01 (7th all time). The Kings had an SRS in '01 of 6.07 (great, but not historically good)


Last season's Warriors were HISTORICALLY dominant in the regular season, while resting their players.

[SHAQisGOAT]

warriors

bogut and ezili are good defenders on shaq
david lee gets more time since la has no imposing pf
iguodala and thompson share task of guarding bryant
no way for the lakers to contain the splash bros

phil jackson would make it a challenge but i have the warriors in 6 or 7

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This mf'er saying that Bogut and Ezeli are good defenders on Shaq but there's no way for the Lakers to contain the Splash Bros :rolleyes: :roll:
In the Finals, Klay scored 15.8 PPG on 40.0/30.0 vs Smith/Shump and Curry with 26 on 44.3/38.5 vs Dellavedova; with Mozgov in the paint... Now imagine vs Kobe(defensive prime) and Fisher, with Shaq in the paint, with Phil coaching them, with better role-players than what the Cavs had...

Meanwhile, Shaq was cleaning up everything in his way, putting up 30 on 55.5% for the Playoffs, vs Dikembe (older but was DPOY), D-Rob (still made all-nba 3rd), old Sabonis, and Divac... But Bogut/Ezeli, who didn't even play 34 minutes-per-game COMBINED in the Playoffs btw, are going to do "good" :oldlol: Those dudes are getting murked regardless, and when they're off the court, it's gonna get VERY UGLY...

What you mean by imposing? Ho Grant was 35 but still a nice defensive player, former all-defensive and a pretty big dude. They also had Horry off the bench, a nice defensive forward, athletic, same height as David.
Plus, this is not even prime Lee we're talking about... It's Lee coming off of an injured season, playing very little...

GSW have some pretty good players to throw at Kobe but he's going to get his regardless... And this is young Kobe in his athletic prime, you're gonna need plenty of help defense because he's gonna blow by those dudes many times (Iggy's older and Klay doesn't have that type of Kobe speed nor is he as good of a defender as Andre, even if nice)... But then you leave Shaq by "himself", and if you double Shaq they had Fish/Kobe/Horry/Fox/Shaw to draw jumpers.

I mean, James Harden as the #1 option dropped 28.4 per game with 46.7/42.9 shooting on the Warriors (and 6.4 APG)... And you're here talking about prime Kobe WITH Shaq as a #1 option, alongside plenty of good role-players, coached by an atg great coach? Beans would go buckwild on GS "that way", js.

You even have the nerve to say Golden State in 6 :wtf:

I can't believe some of thse nikkas :facepalm

[GIF REACTION]

^^^

Maybe you'll realize that players today are actually really good

James Harden 2014-15 would hang with the top 5 in any era

Period

[SHAQisGOAT]

^^^

Maybe you'll realize that players today are actually really good

James Harden 2014-15 would hang with the top 5 in any era

Period

What does that even has to do with anything I've just said? :rolleyes:

Save your time just for trolling or some shit, please.

[3peated]

no one is ****ing with the 2001 lakers lol. that is the best team in basketball. would pick them vs the jordan bulls too.

[Captvic]

01 Lakers.

Shaq would be too much to handle

[1987_Lakers]

I can't believe this crap has carried over to another forum even.

Let's look at the 2001 Finals 3p FG% of some of the Laker shooters:

Kobe - 33%
Fisher - 53%
Fox - 47%
Horry- 62%
Lue - 67%

Yeah, let's not think GS would even own the perimeter

You are posting stats of role players who got hot at the right time, you really expect those players to consistently put up those shooting numbers?

Lakers have the 2 best players in this series, by far, while the Warriors are a deeper team who are more well rounded. I would expect a '02 Lakers-Kings type series, with the Lakers probably coming out on top if Kobe can make Klay play below his standards, I know Kobe has the defense to do that.

[catch24]

^^^

Maybe you'll realize that players today are actually really good

James Harden 2014-15 would hang with the top 5 in any era

Period

Just because he thinks the tandem of Shaq/Kobe are better, doesn't mean the Warriors are bad.

:confusedshrug:

[Foster5k]

Lakers in a sweep.

[IGOTGAME]

Just because he thinks the tandem of Shaq/Kobe are better, doesn't mean the Warriors are bad.

:confusedshrug:

You gotta admit that James Harden part is pretty dumb.

Any era where Harden is too 5 isn't strong.

[Foster5k]

I can't believe some of the shit I'm reading here.


The Lakers win this series EVERY SINGLE TIME
Agreed. There's no way in hell 2001 Kobe/Shaq losing to 2015 Golden State. No one on the Warriors can stop Kobe and Shaq. 2001 Lakers have a legit chance to beat any team in NBA history in a series.

[Levity]

the lakers and their triangle offense would dictate the pace of the game. their offense would work inside out, and either you let bogut get in early foul trouble against the MDE shaq, or you hard double every time he touches the ball. either way, youre letting kobe get his or 1 of the lakers role players to get an open look from the outside.

and despite fisher, fox, and horry (when hes subbing in) looking for the open 3, the rest of the team wouldnt rely so heavy on those shots, meaning long rebounds wouldnt be as common, and GSW would have trouble pushing the pace of the game.

theyd be long and methodical match ups, but the MDE is the MDE for a reason, making all teams pay relentlessly.

[aj1987]

^^^

Maybe you'll realize that players today are actually really good

James Harden 2014-15 would hang with the top 5 in any era

Period
:roll:

Lets look at 2001, shall we? Shaq, Kobe, Timmy, T-Mac, KG, Kidd, AI, and GP were unquestionably better than Harden.

[Wade's Rings]

:oldlol: What?
We're talking about the 2001 Lakers, not the 2002 battling injuries.
The 2001 Lakers won like 20 straight games before finally losing to the 76ers in overtime after a long layoff. And it took Iverson's historic playoff game to even upset LA.

They should have been the first team in league history to sweep the competition in every round.

Fact is, Kobe and Shaq were the two best players in the world during those playoffs. They took turns on shitting on their opponents. Kobe took a dump on SA, while Shaq took a dump on the Sixers.

Jordan & Pippen in their PRIME would have gotten slaughtered by 01' Kobe & Shaq. I guess too many of you youngsters just haven't seen the dominance. They swept a pretty darn good Spurs team by an average victory margin of 20 PPG; to this day, it's the highest point differential in league history.

They did this to a 2nd seed Spurs team that won close to 60 games in the regular season I believe.

They would wreck Golden State in 5 games max.

The 2001 Spurs were not that great of a team outside of Duncan, we discussed this a couple of weeks ago. (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11723416&postcount=268)


offensively, the pels actually fared better against the warriors than any other team.

the problem was that it was pathetic defensively.

Davis's numbers werent empty stats, but they werent an accurate representation of an impact a 31-11-2-3 on 56 ish TS% should look like.

I agree. He had pretty much padded his stats in Game 1 and scored 4 points in the 4th Quarter of Game 3 during the Warriors comeback.

[Prime_Shaq]

Lakers in 5 or 6.

[catch24]

You gotta admit that James Harden part is pretty dumb.

Any era where Harden is too 5 isn't strong.

I gotta say some of you are sleeping on The Beard.

Dude wouldn't be better than Shaq, Duncan, KG, Kobe or even TMac... but everyone else is arguable.

He'd be right there with Iverson, Kidd and GP. Easily.

[RidonKs]

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This mf'er saying that Bogut and Ezeli are good defenders on Shaq but there's no way for the Lakers to contain the Splash Bros :rolleyes: :roll:
In the Finals, Klay scored 15.8 PPG on 40.0/30.0 vs Smith/Shump and Curry with 26 on 44.3/38.5 vs Dellavedova; with Mozgov in the paint... Now imagine vs Kobe(defensive prime) and Fisher, with Shaq in the paint, with Phil coaching them, with better role-players than what the Cavs had...

Meanwhile, Shaq was cleaning up everything in his way, putting up 30 on 55.5% for the Playoffs, vs Dikembe (older but was DPOY), D-Rob (still made all-nba 3rd), old Sabonis, and Divac... But Bogut/Ezeli, who didn't even play 34 minutes-per-game COMBINED in the Playoffs btw, are going to do "good" :oldlol: Those dudes are getting murked regardless, and when they're off the court, it's gonna get VERY UGLY...

What you mean by imposing? Ho Grant was 35 but still a nice defensive player, former all-defensive and a pretty big dude. They also had Horry off the bench, a nice defensive forward, athletic, same height as David.
Plus, this is not even prime Lee we're talking about... It's Lee coming off of an injured season, playing very little...

GSW have some pretty good players to throw at Kobe but he's going to get his regardless... And this is young Kobe in his athletic prime, you're gonna need plenty of help defense because he's gonna blow by those dudes many times (Iggy's older and Klay doesn't have that type of Kobe speed nor is he as good of a defender as Andre, even if nice)... But then you leave Shaq by "himself", and if you double Shaq they had Fish/Kobe/Horry/Fox/Shaw to draw jumpers.

I mean, James Harden as the #1 option dropped 28.4 per game with 46.7/42.9 shooting on the Warriors (and 6.4 APG)... And you're here talking about prime Kobe WITH Shaq as a #1 option, alongside plenty of good role-players, coached by an atg great coach? Beans would go buckwild on GS "that way", js.

You even have the nerve to say Golden State in 6 :wtf:

I can't believe some of thse nikkas :facepalm
15 warriors have one of the best defenses of recent memory, probably history, where they can play so many styles effectively. they can switch everything on a whim, rotate like maniacs, and nobody is ever unsure of the strategy. well coached team with terrific personnel.

the lakers historically had trouble with point guards. and not a one of them, not MIKE BIBBY or tony parker or whoever are remotely like steph curry. kobe trying to take on the challenge would completely wear him down... and that's where the series would eventually go. the warriors would harass shaq with bodies and quick hands collapsing and then closing out and then collapsing again.

you're underrating how good this team was... they strolled to their ring sure but that was just a young team playing down to competition. a real test like the lakers? shaq would get his... kobe would not. in the end, golden state would hit more three's and get more stops.

[IGOTGAME]

I gotta say some of you are sleeping on The Beard.

Dude wouldn't be better than Shaq, Duncan, KG, Kobe or even TMac... but everyone else is arguable.

He'd be right there with Iverson, Kidd and GP. Easily.

Also, Jason Kidd was a lot better than James Harden.


2001-2002
F: Tim Duncan
F: Tracy McGrady
C: Shaquille O'Neal
G: Kobe Bryant
G: Jason Kid
SECOND TEAM
F: Kevin Garnett
F: Chris Webber
C: Dirk Nowitzki
G: Allen Iverson
G: Gary Payton

F Paul Pierce

there are 9 or 10 guys better than James HArden.

1990-1991

F: Charles Barkley
F: Karl Malone
C: David Robinson
G: Michael Jordan
G: Magic Johnson
SECOND TEAM
F: Chris Mullin
F: Dominique Wilkins
C: Patrick Ewing
G: Clyde Drexler
G: Kevin Johnson
THIRD TEAM
F: Bernard King
F: James Worthy
C: Hakeem Olajuwon
G: Joe Dumars
G: John Stockton

Around 10 guys better than Harden

[Angel Face]

Who's gonna guard Shaq? Draymon Green? Bogut? :roll: No center in the current league can guard prime Shaq.

I hated that Lakers team but, they take this one in 5 games, 6 max.

[GIF REACTION]

This underrating of current players and overrating of old players has gone on for decades you morons

Wilt and Dr J said the 90's was weak, just like MJ says today is.

Harden 2014-2015 is a ****ing good player. He is easily better than Jason Kidd. He has a pretty ****ing good argument against perennial losers like McGrady

[Fallen Angel]

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[sportjames23]

This underrating of current players and overrating of old players has gone on for decades you morons

Wilt and Dr J said the 90's was weak, just like MJ says today is.

Harden 2014-2015 is a ****ing good player. He is easily better than Jason Kidd. He has a pretty ****ing good argument against perennial losers like McGrady


Two dudes who couldn't win in their era vs the guy who owned his. Hmm...

And the only thing Harden is better at than Kidd is scoring.

[IGOTGAME]

Can someone explain this notion that James Harden is better than Jason Kidd?

[SwayDizzle]

this thread is depressing

[ralph_i_el]

Two dudes who couldn't win in their era vs the guy who owned his. Hmm...

And the only thing Harden is better at than Kidd is scoring.

I'd take Kidd over Harden, but saying Harden is better than Kidd at scoring is definitely an understatement. Harden is a much better shooter and scorer than Kidd ever was. Obviously that wasn't Kidd's strength, these are two players that are difficult to compare.

[scandisk_]

I gotta say some of you are sleeping on The Beard.

Dude wouldn't be better than Shaq, Duncan, KG, Kobe or even TMac... but everyone else is arguable.

He'd be right there with Iverson, Kidd and GP. Easily.

In terms of impact? nah

[Fallen Angel]

Harden won 50+ games without an All-Star and most of his starting lineup injured.

But of course, idiots like to ignore that.

[RidonKs]

the lakers and their triangle offense would dictate the pace of the game. their offense would work inside out, and either you let bogut get in early foul trouble against the MDE shaq, or you hard double every time he touches the ball. either way, youre letting kobe get his or 1 of the lakers role players to get an open look from the outside.

and despite fisher, fox, and horry (when hes subbing in) looking for the open 3, the rest of the team wouldnt rely so heavy on those shots, meaning long rebounds wouldnt be as common, and GSW would have trouble pushing the pace of the game.

theyd be long and methodical match ups, but the MDE is the MDE for a reason, making all teams pay relentlessly.
the mde can be slowed, even when he's in the middle of a three peat ego trip

the way you do that is by making him pay defensively. he was never made to pay defensively throughout the three peat. divac and sabonis and robinson were all past their prime by that time... but especially the first two, along with guys like luc longley, made quick cuts and quick decisions once they had the ball. especially early in the game. this is the role bogut can play as he accumulates fouls.

the ace in the hole is draymond green, in addition to the warriors pesky rotations and switching ability. why were the bulls so effective guarding shaq and penny? because they constantly collapsed and then ran off shooters. the warriors have just as good a defensive personnel.

most importantly is that green can take the center position, much like rodman did, for short stretches against shaq. 10 minutes total. his quickness and aggression will bother shaq who will still dominate... but the game would immediately pick up pace with the smaller lineup and take la out of its comfort zone.

the warriors can make shaq uncomfortable on defense... probably more than any team the lakers played between 2000 and 2004. their shooting is too good. too much depth. consider shawn livingston posting up derek fisher...

[Foster5k]

the mde can be slowed, even when he's in the middle of a three peat ego trip

the way you do that is by making him pay defensively. he was never made to pay defensively throughout the three peat. divac and sabonis and robinson were all past their prime by that time... but especially the first two, along with guys like luc longley, made quick cuts and quick decisions once they had the ball. especially early in the game. this is the role bogut can play as he accumulates fouls.

the ace in the hole is draymond green, in addition to the warriors pesky rotations and switching ability. why were the bulls so effective guarding shaq and penny? because they constantly collapsed and then ran off shooters. the warriors have just as good a defensive personnel.

most importantly is that green can take the center position, much like rodman did, for short stretches against shaq. 10 minutes total. his quickness and aggression will bother shaq who will still dominate... but the game would immediately pick up pace with the smaller lineup and take la out of its comfort zone.

the warriors can make shaq uncomfortable on defense... probably more than any team the lakers played between 2000 and 2004. their shooting is too good. too much depth. consider shawn livingston posting up derek fisher...
:biggums:

[inclinerator]

warriors would win if derek fisher was injured