USA fears Russia could kill high value ISIS members

[StephHamann]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3278907/Russia-capturing-Jihadi-John-priority-high-profile-ISIS-executioner-huge-propaganda-coup-say-officials.html


The Sun quotes a US security source as saying that it is easier for the Russians to carry out 'special forces snatch or kill operations' because Putin has been invited into Syria by President Bashar al-Assad's regime.
'The fear is that Russian forces will begin to target high-value players like Jihadi John and IS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi.

http://www.texasfred.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Sad-Obama1.jpg

[Nick Young]

Obama fails again:facepalm Why does he want high-value ISIS members to stay alive and remain untargeted? How is he going to spin this like it's a bad thing?

[UK2K]

Obama fails again:facepalm Why does he want high-value ISIS members to stay alive and remain untargeted? How is he going to spin this like it's a bad thing?

It would be a bad (politically) thing for Russia to come in and save everyone from ISIS while our 'plan' to defeat them (arming and training rebels) failed miserably.

Once he saves the ME, he has a bunch of new friends.

Speculation on my part.

Slowly, but surely, Russia is gaining friends while we lose (France, UK, others in the ME) and isolate (in Israel's case) ours.

[West-Side]

It would be a bad (politically) thing for Russia to come in and save everyone from ISIS while our 'plan' to defeat them (arming and training rebels) failed miserably.

Once he saves the ME, he has a bunch of new friends.

Speculation on my part.

Slowly, but surely, Russia is gaining friends while we lose (France, UK, others in the ME) and isolate (in Israel's case) ours.

Who gives a ****, **** our political agendas.
Killing high value targets from ISIS prevents innocents people from dying.

All hail God Putin. :bowdown:

[9erempiree]

http://www.texasfred.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Sad-Obama1.jpg

Fake President.

[UK2K]

Who gives a ****, **** our political agendas.
Killing high value targets from ISIS prevents innocents people from dying.

All hail God Putin. :bowdown:

He asked...

Its in the first line of the article:


Russia has made capturing Jihadi John a priority because the high profile ISIS executioner would be a huge propaganda coup, a US security source has claimed.

[Nick Young]

It would indeed look very bad if Putin can do what Obama failed to do, despite having less than half the resources that the United States military has.

It's almost as if, perhaps, stay with me here, Obama didn't want the ISIS leadership to fall because they're fighting against Assad:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[imdaman99]

The Sun quotes a US security source <---- stopped reading right there.

I can make stuff up as well, a highly esteemed member of Insidehoops has proven that Lebron is the undisputed GOAT.

Meanwhile, the ISHer is dubeta or an unfunny hack like roundmound. Drop some names if you want me to believe that shit. PS, I didn't read the article.

[Goro]

Fake President.
What does this even mean?

[senelcoolidge]

http://www.texasfred.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Sad-Obama1.jpg

Genocide and the spread of terrorism around the world or climate change...hmm. Climate change is more dire!

[UK2K]

It would indeed look very bad if Putin can do what Obama failed to do, despite having less than half the resources that the United States military has.

It's almost as if, perhaps, stay with me here, Obama didn't want the ISIS leadership to fall because they're fighting against Assad:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

I actually there are two reasons why ISIS is still around, and why we aren't taking it to them:

A) Obama campaigned on the idea he would get us OUT of war, not into another one. It's bad in the eyes of the world, its costly in the eyes of the public, and its bad PR for all politicians involved. Nobody wants to be the one that gets us into a war after Iraq and Afghanistan.

B) Because of A, we haven't declared war on ISIS. We are trying to appear 'neutral'. Throw in the fact that our soldiers abide by the strictest ROEs on the planet, and what you have is a world superpower afraid to have anything go wrong. It'd be Afghanistan all over again, a raid where an 12 year old with an AK gets killed, and we get blamed and labeled murderers. That only amplifies the hatred towards the US.

Putin doesn't give a **** about his public perception. If he goes in there and helps other countries fight ISIS, he wins. If he goes in there, helps countries fight ISIS, and kills a bunch of people in the process, he wins anyway.

Russia is much closer to the Middle East than the US. They'll look to Russia as a big brother. Same deal with China, proximity.

Like I said, we're losing our allies and he's gaining more. Israel is our biggest ally and our current administration treats them like an roommate who doesn't help pay rent. You deal with it, but you aren't excited about it.

Here's what we should do:

Send troops to Europe, help control the borders. Hand out food if you want, assist those countries with temporary housing structures and aid. Worst case scenario, it costs a bit of money. Best case scenario, the countries having to deal with that shit will be grateful, and who knows, maybe the 'refugees' go to Russia instead.

And arm the few allies we have left in the Middle East. Arm Egypt and Jordan. Give them the tools to control ISIS. They're right there. In return, work out some economic deals with them. Work with them, give them the intelligence information and let them handle the dirty work.

[Nick Young]

I actually there are two reasons why ISIS is still around, and why we aren't taking it to them:

A) Obama campaigned on the idea he would get us OUT of war, not into another one. It's bad in the eyes of the world, its costly in the eyes of the public, and its bad PR for all politicians involved. Nobody wants to be the one that gets us into a war after Iraq and Afghanistan.

B) Because of A, we haven't declared war on ISIS. We are trying to appear 'neutral'. Throw in the fact that our soldiers abide by the strictest ROEs on the planet, and what you have is a world superpower afraid to have anything go wrong. It'd be Afghanistan all over again, a raid where an 12 year old with an AK gets killed, and we get blamed and labeled murderers. That only amplifies the hatred towards the US.

Putin doesn't give a **** about his public perception. If he goes in there and helps other countries fight ISIS, he wins. If he goes in there, helps countries fight ISIS, and kills a bunch of people in the process, he wins anyway.

Russia is much closer to the Middle East than the US. They'll look to Russia as a big brother. Same deal with China, proximity.

Like I said, we're losing our allies and he's gaining more. Israel is our biggest ally and our current administration treats them like an roommate who doesn't help pay rent. You deal with it, but you aren't excited about it.

Here's what we should do:

Send troops to Europe, help control the borders. Hand out food if you want, assist those countries with temporary housing structures and aid. Worst case scenario, it costs a bit of money. Best case scenario, the countries having to deal with that shit will be grateful, and who knows, maybe the 'refugees' go to Russia instead.

And arm the few allies we have left in the Middle East. Arm Egypt and Jordan. Give them the tools to control ISIS. They're right there. In return, work out some economic deals with them. Work with them, give them the intelligence information and let them handle the dirty work.
He already got in to another war with Libya years ago. Pretty sure our troops are still there.

Jordan is alright these days. Don't arm Egypt though. That country is deeply fundamentalist at heart and they hate Israel. They are constantly sneaking terrorists in to Gaza to kill Israelis. Arming Egypt means we are arming our "allies" Egypt to use weapons against our other "allies" Israel. I used to live in Egypt. Their biggest national holiday was "Victory vs Israel day" aka celebrating the Yom Kippur War when Egypt was soundly demolished by Israel. The people hate Jews and they hate Israel and they hate the United States. Many of the people in Egypt support ISIS, and what they stand for.

In Jordan, atleast they are relatively moderate and the country is relatively modernized compared to everywhere else in the region. Egypt is a fundamentalist hell hole waiting to explode again.

[NumberSix]

Obama fails again:facepalm Why does he want high-value ISIS members to stay alive and remain untargeted? How is he going to spin this like it's a bad thing?
As I've tried to tell y'all for years, Obama's ideology is not on the side you would think an American president is on. If you were somehow able to get his actual opinion on the Middle East, I guarantee you he believes that Israel is the real problem in the Middle East. The guy has endlessly showed his true colors as a jihad apologist.

[poido123]

What does this even mean?


why do you question everyone and you're less than 300 posts in?


Tell us about you Goro, are you a d.ck in real life too?

[poido123]

As I've tried to tell y'all for years, Obama's ideology is not on the side you would think an American president is on. If you were somehow able to get his actual opinion on the Middle East, I guarantee you he believes that Israel is the real problem in the Middle East. The guy has endlessly showed his true colors as a jihad apologist.



:applause:


Yet we are meant to believe he is a devout Christian :oldlol:


Obama is a snake.

[KevinNYC]

As I've tried to tell y'all for years, Obama's ideology is not on the side you would think an American president is on. If you were somehow able to get his actual opinion on the Middle East, I guarantee you he believes that Israel is the real problem in the Middle East. The guy has endlessly showed his true colors as a jihad apologist.:violin:

[BlakFrankWhite]

I wish Putin was our president

[Nick Young]

I wish Jim Webb was our president. He'd be like Putin only a freaking ex-Marine rather than a KGB commie.


It really is pathetic for Obama that Putin is ending this war in months and all Obama did was make empty threats, and actively work to prolong the Civil War. Putin is making Obama look like a bitch and exposing his empty threats. Again.

[NZStreetBaller]

Putins attitude towards terrorist is literally aligned with the majority attitude of the world. This is why hes being praised. He kept the situation and solution simple. Instead of getting all complex about it.

Group of people are killing a whole bunch of people. Bigger group go in there and fkin kill them. Simple

[West-Side]

I wish Jim Webb was our president. He'd be like Putin only a freaking ex-Marine rather than a KGB commie.


It really is pathetic for Obama that Putin is ending this war in months and all Obama did was make empty threats, and actively work to prolong the Civil War. Putin is making Obama look like a bitch and exposing his empty threats. Again.

KGB and a 10th degree black belt, bitch!
:bowdown: Putin, our savior.

[Patrick Chewing]

:violin:


You cannot deny that he's been the President that's been most hostile to Israel since its inception.

He won't even condemn "Radical Islam". He won't dare utter those words. So how can you play the violin to that? Open your eyes. Wipe the bullshit away for once.

[imdaman99]

Putins attitude towards terrorist is literally aligned with the majority attitude of the world. This is why hes being praised. He kept the situation and solution simple. Instead of getting all complex about it.

Group of people are killing a whole bunch of people. Bigger group go in there and fkin kill them. Simple
It's not some simple solution. I agree all terrorists and these groups should be bombed out of existence...but that is not possible without killing many, many innocents. I don't think killing even 1 innocent for every terrorist is a fair deal to the innocent. The cockroaches are living and hiding among the people who deserve life.

[CeltsGarlic]

It's not some simple solution. I agree all terrorists and these groups should be bombed out of existence...but that is not possible without killing many, many innocents. I don't think killing even 1 innocent for every terrorist is a fair deal to the innocent. The cockroaches are living and hiding among the people who deserve life.

But its more than a fair deal to the majority, so accept it.

[Patrick Chewing]

Remember, Bill Clinton could've killed 300 innocents in Kandahar to get Bin Laden. But instead, he let Bin Laden kill nearly 3000 innocents.


Funny how our innocents didn't matter to him.

[imdaman99]

But its more than a fair deal to the majority, so accept it.
Would you accept it if your relative was the innocent? Would anyone? :rolleyes:

[Nick Young]

It's not some simple solution. I agree all terrorists and these groups should be bombed out of existence...but that is not possible without killing many, many innocents. I don't think killing even 1 innocent for every terrorist is a fair deal to the innocent. The cockroaches are living and hiding among the people who deserve life.
Many of the 'innocent' people are actively hiding and protecting the terrorists and acting as human shields.

[imdaman99]

Why would you think those were the people I was talking about? Do you just try to bait anyone and everyone? Are you that bored with life?

[Patrick Chewing]

Why would you think those were the people I was talking about? Do you just try to bait anyone and everyone? Are you that bored with life?


Man you're so defensive. No wonder you can't get laid. He was just stating a fact. A sad fact. That's why war in the Middle East gets a bad rap. No one wants to admit that there are plenty of innocent civilians that are not so innocent after all.

[Nick Young]

Why would you think those were the people I was talking about? Do you just try to bait anyone and everyone? Are you that bored with life?
I'm not baiting anyone. Stop getting so defensive and taking everything personally.

[KevinNYC]

Remember, Bill Clinton could've killed 300 innocents in Kandahar to get Bin Laden.

Actually Clinton could have killed 300 innocents with absolutely no guarantee he would have gotten Bin Laden. Because a cruise missile strike takes several hours to complete.

So had he taken the shot and missed he would have severly damaged the US's standing in the world and given Bin Laden a massive, massive propaganda victory.

[TripleA]

Obama seems like actually does not really care about Isis or sees it as important issue on his plate. Doesn't Russia trample on people's freedom?

[Nick Young]

Obama seems like actually does not really care about Isis or sees it as important issue on his plate. Doesn't Russia trample on people's freedom?
That's because he's the one who armed and trained ISIS, and he wants them to get rid of Assad for him.

[imdaman99]

Man you're so defensive. No wonder you can't get laid. He was just stating a fact. A sad fact. That's why war in the Middle East gets a bad rap. No one wants to admit that there are plenty of innocent civilians that are not so innocent after all.
Projecting much? :lol I can get laid anytime I want

And me defensive? Projecting again? :oldlol:

Where is the research done by Fox to prove that "there are plenty of innocent civilians that are not so innocent after all"? Surely you have a link ready. I am sure there are people hiding them but that doesn't make them innocent does it? I guess you and I have different definitions of innocent. Yours implies there are no innocent people in the Middle East.

[senelcoolidge]

Projecting much? :lol I can get laid anytime I want

And me defensive? Projecting again? :oldlol:

Where is the research done by Fox to prove that "there are plenty of innocent civilians that are not so innocent after all"? Surely you have a link ready. I am sure there are people hiding them but that doesn't make them innocent does it? I guess you and I have different definitions of innocent. Yours implies there are no innocent people in the Middle East.

donkey's don't count. We know that you have that fresh ass tied in the back yard.

[Dresta]

Actually Clinton could have killed 300 innocents with absolutely no guarantee he would have gotten Bin Laden. Because a cruise missile strike takes several hours to complete.

So had he taken the shot and missed he would have severly damaged the US's standing in the world and given Bin Laden a massive, massive propaganda victory.
Yeah, so instead he bombed a Pharmaceutical factory in Sudan while claiming it was an Al-Qaeda compound (so as to distract from the Lewinsky trial).

Cudos.

The US policy towards Syria (and Libya) has been an utter disgrace, and has compounded the initial mistake of the Iraq war many times over. And all the while, Obama portrays those willing to take on the extremists as 'evil' and those who are arming them and perpetuating a disastrous civil conflict as being 'the good guys.' But, of course, keep ignoring the facts, as Obama's acolytes always do.

[senelcoolidge]

Obama is only concerned about Assad, he doesn't care about ISIS.

[Nick Young]

^Obama actively helped to arm and train ISIS.



Meanwhile, Putin is mopping up in Syria, just like everyone knew he would.


Latest news is ISIS is trying to draw Israel in to the conflict. When that happens, ISIS will be well and truly ****ed beyond measure.

[KyrieTheFuture]

Yeah, so instead he bombed a Pharmaceutical factory in Sudan while claiming it was an Al-Qaeda compound (so as to distract from the Lewinsky trial).

Cudos.

The US policy towards Syria (and Libya) has been an utter disgrace, and has compounded the initial mistake of the Iraq war many times over. And all the while, Obama portrays those willing to take on the extremists as 'evil' and those who are arming them and perpetuating a disastrous civil conflict as being 'the good guys.' But, of course, keep ignoring the facts, as Obama's acolytes always do.
Can't I just be a fan of half of what he does and abhor the rest? As opposed to abhorring all of bush.

[fiddy]

^Obama actively helped to arm and train ISIS.



Meanwhile, Putin is mopping up in Syria, just like everyone knew he would.


Latest news is ISIS is trying to draw Israel in to the conflict. When that happens, ISIS will be well and truly ****ed beyond measure.
To draw Israel in the conflict?! hahahah
1. Israelis have being bombing Assad in southern Syria randomly
2. Israel supports ISIS and Nusra in southern Syria

[KevinNYC]

Yeah, so instead he bombed a Pharmaceutical factory in Sudan while claiming it was an Al-Qaeda compound (so as to distract from the Lewinsky trial).

Cudos.

No. That was not the claim that was made. There were two simutaneous strikes and you're confusing them.

Also it's Kudos.

[Nick Young]

To draw Israel in the conflict?! hahahah
1. Israelis have being bombing Assad in southern Syria randomly
2. Israel supports ISIS and Nusra in southern Syria

Multiple ISIS cells were found in Israel, the West Bank and Gaza and were snuffed out by Mossad and taken out in the past few days.

[Dresta]

Can't I just be a fan of half of what he does and abhor the rest? As opposed to abhorring all of bush.
Sure you can, but i don't know why you would, considering Obama is pretty much a Bush Deluxe in most respects (excluding his far superior rhetoric and PR).

Bush was a moron who cut taxes while splurging out on wasteful federal spending initiatives (i.e. compassionate conservatism, which is more or less liberalism combined with lower taxes) - he was the biggest domestic spender since Nixon (who was also rather liberal in his domestic policies - something that is often forgotten).

As much as i dislike Clinton (and his scum of a wife) as characters, he was undoubtedly the best President of recent years. Give me a cynical manipulator over an idealistic dreamer any day of the week - they are far less damaging in the long run.

I also cannot ignore Obama's centralising tendencies, and his abuses of the powers of the Executive, combined with his attempts to make himself a legislator also. That isn't his job or prerogative - he has overstepped the bounds of his delegated power in a most disgraceful manner. Even if i liked his policies, i would deplore his methods. Too many liberals don't care what abuses of power are allowed, provided that they get what they want - this is the mentality of petty tyrants, and is something that shouldn't be fed by demagogic and power-hungry politicians.


No. That was not the claim that was made. There were two simutaneous strikes and you're confusing them.

Also it's Kudos.
You've obviously not understood the point I was making, as i haven't 'confused' anything. Evidently, the only person who is confused here is you - Clinton bombed the factory in Sudan on the 20th of August 1998, the exact same day that Lewinsky was due to testify before the grand jury for a second time - 'wag the dog' anyone? Not so! says Kev, Bill Clinton is an unwavering champion of honesty and integrity, and he just made an honest mistake (a lot like how his wife keeps making similar 'honest mistakes' that need to be hidden through duplicity and evasion).

Oh, and perhaps when you're next pedantically correcting someone else's spelling of a colloquialism, you'll ensure you spell things correctly yourself - because i think you'll find it's simultaneous.

People like you make a mockery of the whole political process: you are the epitomisation of credulity and partisan idiocy (trying to pose as objectivity no less). You are ISHs version of the New York Times.

[Nick Young]

No. That was not the claim that was made. There were two simutaneous strikes and you're confusing them.

Also it's Kudos.
Is this cuck really trying to talk down to people about spelling and grammar now?:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[KevinNYC]

Oh, and perhaps when you're next pedantically correcting someone else's spelling of a colloquialism, you'll ensure you spell things correctly yourself - because i think you'll find it's simultaneous.
touche.


You've obviously not understood the point I was making, as i haven't 'confused' anything. Evidently, the only person who is confused here is you - Clinton bombed the factory in Sudan on the 20th of August 1998, the exact same day that Lewinsky was due to testify before the grand jury for a second time - 'wag the dog' anyone?

No you have completely confused things. The US never claimed the factory in Sudan was "an Al-Qaeda compound" as you claim. That is completely false.

They claimed there was evidence the factory was connected to Bin Laden and that there was evidence it was manufacturing chemical weapons.

There were four Al Qaeda compounds that were bombed was in Afghanistan and at one of them near Khost, they supposedly they missed Bin Laden by a few hours.

The Bombings were in retaliation for Al Qaeda blowing up the two US embassies in Africa. Which had occurred less than two weeks earlier.