LeBron hasn't been the most skilled nor had the best production in 3 years...

[JerrySeinfeld]

Why is he widely considered the best in the league?

[Thesmallmamba]

Best combination of skills, reg season production, playoff production in the league

Nobody outclassed him in all 3 areas yet, and nobody has since like 2008


This is his 8th season as Best player in the league

[JerrySeinfeld]

Best combination of skills, reg season production, playoff production in the league

Nobody outclassed him in all 3 areas yet, and nobody has since like 2008


This is his 8th season as Best player in the league

playoff production is a tough one, since 90% of the leagues talent is in the West and the other 10% is on whatever team Bron is on, out East.

he gets to the finals every year, but I don't think that Durant or Davis would be any worse than 2/6 in his position these past 5 years or whatever. Hell Miami clearly beats the Mavs with Durant.

[Thesmallmamba]

playoff production is a tough one, since 90% of the leagues talent is in the West and the other 10% is whatever team Bron is on, out East.

he gets to the finals every year, but I don't think that Durant or Davis would be any worse than 2/6 in his position these past 5 years or whatever. Hell they clearly beat the Mavs with Durant.


Nice way extrapolating the last 2 years of the East into the last decade :lol


The talent was 50/50 split between East and West between 2008-2013


The toughest defenses are in the East, 2008-2010 Celtics, 2009 Magic, 2013-2014 Pacers, that makes LeBrons production even more spectacular than if he could statpad vs the Clippers or Suns



Heck people where hating on the fact that LeBron played the bobcats in the 1st round in 2014, yet they still had the 5th best defense in the league

[JerrySeinfeld]

Nice way extrapolating the last 2 years of the East into the last decade :lol


The talent was 50/50 split between East and West between 2008-2013


The toughest defenses are in the East, 2008-2010 Celtics, 2009 Magic, 2013-2014 Pacers, that makes LeBrons production even more spectacular than if he could statpad vs the Clippers or Suns



Heck people where hating on the fact that LeBron played the bobcats in the 1st round in 2014, yet they still had the 5th best defense in the league

No one in their right mind would rank that Bobcats team as the 5th defense in the league... Al Jefferson at center, Henderson at the 2, Kemba at point.... Ridnour, McRoberts, MKG is good but idk who else they had...

They prob finished around top 5 in the stats somehow, since the East is lacking any offensive talent

[Thesmallmamba]

If you want to talk about statpadding in the East playoffs, LeBrons stats have been better in the Finals, than in the East the last 2 years


Finals stats 2014-2015

32 ppg

10.5 rebounds

6.5 assists

47% FG



yup still the best player in the league

[JerrySeinfeld]

If you want to talk about statpadding in the East playoffs, LeBrons stats have been better in the Finals, than in the East the last 2 years


Finals stats 2014-2015

32 ppg

10.5 rebounds

6.5 assists

47% FG



yup still the best player in the league

Damn. LeBron murdered his competition :applause:

Who were the FMVP's those years?

[Lebron23]

What's your problem Simon?

Thesmallmamba just ended this thread.

[JT123]

If you want to talk about statpadding in the East playoffs, LeBrons stats have been better in the Finals, than in the East the last 2 years


Finals stats 2014-2015

32 ppg

10.5 rebounds

6.5 assists

47% FG



yup still the best player in the league
Bron is the polar opposite of Kobe, he actually UPS his game in the Finals. Unfortunately he's never had a GOAT coach ore MDE center to carry him to easy rings. :(

[Thesmallmamba]

Damn. LeBron murdered his competition :applause:

Who were the FMVP's those years?

Worse players on far better teams :confusedshrug:


LeBron shouldnt get blamed for getting 2 wins from a championship on teams that any other superstar wouldve lost in the 1st round with.


Neither Durant and Davis won FMVP either, so what is your argument?


You literally still havent made a point to LeBron not being the best player for the last 8 years

[Lebron23]

Just close this thread. OP got shutdown.

[JerrySeinfeld]

This dude out here pretending that Kawhi and Iggy didn't murder Bron, who made sure to still get his stats when he could :oldlol:

I watched the games, you ain't gotta show me stats including LeBron going apeshit late in the 3rd quarter while all the Spurs worthwhile players are half asleep on the bench

[DoctorP]

Total package. Until he slows down he is the best.

[JerrySeinfeld]

Here was the scene from late in the games of Bron's last Finals w/ the Heat

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ncjOeuxynrs/U5dNqNhynOI/AAAAAAAAHYA/u_ekYI_Faec/s1600/5.gif

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-F_Djc-gnmOo/U5fQ934WyMI/AAAAAAAAHaA/_KJ6nAzHuds/s1600/3.gif

[Paul George 24]

even worse footwork than big ben :roll:

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/9-05-2015/65FWzo.gif

[JerrySeinfeld]

Bron not boxing out his man which would give one of his teammates the easy rebound

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-jDTFuhKcwWE/U5pfZTjEiXI/AAAAAAAAHec/t21yVtx073k/s1600/9.gif

His rebound #s looked good tho :applause: :applause:

[Gileraracer]

Because ESPN sucks his cawk all day long and we know the 16year old stans take everything on ESPN at face value.

[JerrySeinfeld]

Because ESPN sucks his cawk all day long and we know the 16year old stans take everything on ESPN at face value.

I was surprised they ever posted this graphic

http://i.imgur.com/CIu6gDI.jpg

[DoctorP]

Here was the scene from late in the games of Bron's last Finals w/ the Heat

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ncjOeuxynrs/U5dNqNhynOI/AAAAAAAAHYA/u_ekYI_Faec/s1600/5.gif

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-F_Djc-gnmOo/U5fQ934WyMI/AAAAAAAAHaA/_KJ6nAzHuds/s1600/3.gif

The Heat had no business being in the Finals that year. The league should lose the conference play and move to seeding.

[JerrySeinfeld]

The Heat had no business being in the Finals that year. The league should lose the conference play and move to seeding.

Amen to that. Something we can (hopefully) all agree on.

[Naero]

Impactually, he hasn't been the BITW (best in the world) since partway through the 2013-14 season; it's just that no one has outperformed him over the course of several seasons yet, which is oftentimes the threshold needed for the media- and fanbase-consensus espousal for the BITW

[fiddy]

Just close this thread. OP got shutdown.
Nope, you salty cuz Bran is getting exposed as an overrated statpadder

[kennethgriffin]

he should also have choked 3 finals in a row away


thanks ray allen

[plowking]

I was surprised they ever posted this graphic



Why not use 60 win teams? Bron has more than Kobe.

[fiddy]

Why not use 60 win teams? Bron has more than Kobe.
Because teams in the west rarely get 60 wins, its called competition something you and Bran family have no clue about.

[Paul George 24]

Why not use 60 win teams? Bron has more than Kobe.
2 for 6

[3ball]

playoff production is a tough one, since 90% of the leagues talent is in the West and the other 10% is on whatever team Bron is on, out East.


2011 Heat were a 1st or 2nd Round playoff team if they were in the Western Conference.. The 2014 Heat would barely have MADE the playoffs in the West.. Essentially, they fell from 1st Round Western Conference playoff team in 2014, to lottery in 2015, which is no difference since Wade/Bosh were hurt much of 2015.

Of course, 2011 Cleveland didn't just lose Lebron - they lost Mo Williams, Anderson Varejao, Shaq, Delonte and Zydrunas.. So I just debunked the whole "Look how bad Lebron's teams are without him" argument.

[greatest-ever]

Well i thought Curry was better last season, while Harden and Davis were arguably as good or close to him. In 2014, KD had the better regular season. 2013 was the last season where he was clearly the best. Not that Lebron isn't still great, but i think he's still getting that "best in the game" lable due to reputation or past performance. I think his days as the best player are behind him.

[dabigbaws]

Durant is the best player in the world. Everyone will see it this year.

[choppermagic]

Bron is the polar opposite of Kobe, (

Do you mean Lebron has only won twice and lost the rest, while Kobe has lost twice and won the rest? :D

[Lebronxrings]

well for one thing out of the 100 reasons, he plays defense. Something durant, curry, harden don't know about.

[aj1987]

This dude out here pretending that Kawhi and Iggy didn't murder Bron, who made sure to still get his stats when he could :oldlol:

I watched the games, you ain't gotta show me stats including LeBron going apeshit late in the 3rd quarter while all the Spurs worthwhile players are half asleep on the bench
2014 NBA finals:

Kawhi - 18/6/2 on 75% TS
LeBorn - 28/8/4 on 68% TS

2014 Spurs - #7 Offense & #3 Defense
2014 Heat - #5 Offense & #11 Defense

2015 NBA Finals:

Iggy - 16/6/4 on 59% TS
LeBron - 36/13/9 on 48% TS

2015 Warriors - #2 Offense & #1 Defense (0 injuries)
2015 Cavaliers - #3 Offense & #18 Defense (3 starters injured)


Yeah, but lets continue the narrative that those two "murdered" LeBron though. Lets ignore the fact that they had VASTLY superior teams.

[Lebron23]

2014 NBA finals:

Kawhi - 18/6/2 on 75% TS
LeBorn - 28/8/4 on 68% TS

2014 Spurs - #7 Offense & #3 Defense
2014 Heat - #5 Offense & #11 Defense

2015 NBA Finals:

Iggy - 16/6/4 on 59% TS
LeBron - 36/13/9 on 48% TS

2015 Warriors - #2 Offense & #1 Defense (0 injuries)
2015 Cavaliers - #3 Offense & #18 Defense (3 starters injured)


Yeah, but lets continue the narrative that those two "murdered" LeBron though. Lets ignore the fact that they had VASTLY superior teams.


Simon got Wrecked by AJ1987.

[Gileraracer]

well for one thing out of the 100 reasons, he plays defense. Something durant, curry, harden don't know about.


Please don't tell lies (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zK9wLWF8TXo) about our KING!


I know, ke couldn't defend because he had no help

[tmacattack33]

Why is he widely considered the best in the league?

Dafuq are you talking about? His production the last three years was the best in the league indeed.

Skillwise is debateable and has always been...but that doesn't really matter since you can't take away his athleticism and size magically. It's not like some wizard is going to come and make all the players in the league 6'3 220 lbs with the same amount of athleticism just so we can see who the most "skilled" player is. It's irrelevant, just like weird fans who talk about the best pound for pound player...this isn't boxing.

[nba_55]

2014 NBA finals:

Kawhi - 18/6/2 on 75% TS
LeBorn - 28/8/4 on 68% TS

2014 Spurs - #7 Offense & #3 Defense
2014 Heat - #5 Offense & #11 Defense

2015 NBA Finals:

Iggy - 16/6/4 on 59% TS
LeBron - 36/13/9 on 48% TS

2015 Warriors - #2 Offense & #1 Defense (0 injuries)
2015 Cavaliers - #3 Offense & #18 Defense (3 starters injured)


Yeah, but lets continue the narrative that those two "murdered" LeBron though. Lets ignore the fact that they had VASTLY superior teams.

Ether

[Megabox!]

Nope, you salty cuz Bran is getting exposed as an overrated statpadder
Why are you Laker fans such dipshits? :confusedshrug:

[DavisIsMyUniBro]

[QUOTE=Naero]Impactually, he hasn't been the BITW (best in the world) since partway through the 2013-14 season; it's just that no one has outperformed him over the course of several seasons yet, which is oftentimes the threshold needed for the media- and fanbase-consensus espousal for the BITW

[Rocketswin2013]

Kevin Durant was absolutely destroyed by Tony Allen in the playoffs of 2014. I honestly didn't think Durant could be stopped like that going into the postseason...But, it happened.

LeBron dominated all but about 3 games in that postseason. Durant was dominated in about all but 3.

LeBron would have taken Allen to the post and erased him from the game altogether. He would've been hitting turnarounds, fall-aways over him, everything. Honestly, Durant was going through that series running away from Allen. :oldlol: Desperately calling for screens to get a switch. LeBron would've brought it to him. LeBron would've pnr'd with Wade to GET Allen as a mismatch and post him up. Tbh, I think Johnson would've been put on LeBron, Allen on Wade, but who knows.

LeBron has been the playoffs best player for about 4 straight seasons. While being best in the league during the regular season in 2, clear 1B, top 5 in another. Essentially the best overall player.

With all this said, I actually fear Durant. And to a lesser entent, Westbrook this upcoming season. I think they can really beat anybody, and I expect Durant to be really, really good. Most likely the MVP IMO.

[Bankaii]

I love Davis, but curry and Lebron were both a good deal better than him. Curry in particular is ridiculously underrated.

Davis might not even need to improve (though he did), all he has to do is play in this good system

Fun fact, Davis got less touches per game than Kevin love last year.
:facepalm :roll:
Davis is practically the consensus 3rd best player in the league. Curry is debatably not top 5 if you focus on impact.

And if you include defense Davis is considerably much better.

[ShawkFactory]

Like others have said, no one has definitively taken the throne away. If KD comes back as strong this year then I'll give it to him.

Or if Davis takes another step forward.

[Paul George 24]

skills ? :roll:

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/9-05-2015/65FWzo.gif

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/9-05-2015/Ya6ji4.gif

[Wally450]

http://2.media.collegehumor.cvcdn.com/71/17/b47c459d689f0eebc9d74ac7c9ef72af-every-lebron-game-7-basket-in-one-gif.gif

[Mr. Jabbar]

Lethick dick got everyone SHOOK

#LeThick

[knicksman]

impact wise, I would say bran is the best. But if we account the loss of impact by his teammates then bran isnt the best. Thats what bran fans fail to see. They dont know shit about this game beyond stats thats why they are fans of a loser. Theres a reason why elite coaches(popovich, phil) arent scrambling for him

[Straight_Ballin]

2014 NBA finals:

Kawhi - 18/6/2 on 75% TS
LeBorn - 28/8/4 on 68% TS

2014 Spurs - #7 Offense & #3 Defense
2014 Heat - #5 Offense & #11 Defense

2015 NBA Finals:

Iggy - 16/6/4 on 59% TS
LeBron - 36/13/9 on 48% TS

2015 Warriors - #2 Offense & #1 Defense (0 injuries)
2015 Cavaliers - #3 Offense & #18 Defense (3 starters injured)


Yeah, but lets continue the narrative that those two "murdered" LeBron though. Lets ignore the fact that they had VASTLY superior teams.

Let's just continue to ignore the fact that those stats were based on SINGLE coverage defense. Let's just continue to ignore the fact that both defense and offense are both a part of basketball.

It's the same agenda with these bron stans which gets destroyed every single time. They praise a guy for making it to the finals 5 times in a row (no credit given to this team, no mention of weak east conference) but then when he gets there he is given a pardon BECAUSE of his team? :lol I'm not talking about 2015, if we excuse last year, he's 2/4.

1/4 if ray allen didn't hit that miracle shot.

[aj1987]

Let's just continue to ignore the fact that those stats were based on SINGLE coverage defense. Let's just continue to ignore the fact that both defense and offense are both a part of basketball.

It's the same agenda with these bron stans which gets destroyed every single time. They praise a guy for making it to the finals 5 times in a row (no credit given to this team, no mention of weak east conference) but then when he gets there he is given a pardon BECAUSE of his team? :lol I'm not talking about 2015, if we excuse last year, he's 2/4.

The **** are you even talking about? Teams single cover him because he's an amazing passer. Even with garbage for teammates (his 2nd, 3rd, and 4th options shots under 30%), dude managed to get 9 assists a game. Won 2 games in a series which most though would be over in 4 after Love's and Kyrie's injuries?

Who do you want to credit in '13, '14, and '15? Wade was good in the Finals in '13, but he was injured and played bad in the EC PO's. Bosh was shit. How many players led their teams in points, rebounds, assists, and steals for 4 STRAIGHT PO's, while making the Finals each time and winning twice?

[Straight_Ballin]

The **** are you even talking about? Teams single cover him because he's an amazing passer. Even with garbage for teammates (his 2nd, 3rd, and 4th options shots under 30%), dude managed to get 9 assists a game. Won 2 games in a series which most though would be over in 4 after Love's and Kyrie's injuries?

Who do you want to credit in '13, '14, and '15? Wade was good in the Finals in '13, but he was injured and played bad in the EC PO's. Bosh was shit. How many players led their teams in points, rebounds, assists, and steals for 4 STRAIGHT PO's, while making the Finals each time and winning twice?

:lol

No, teams single cover him because his footwork is shit and they don't need to double cover him like other players who are also great scorers and passers. Coaches are willing to let him shoot his team out of the game on just 29% shooting from outside the free throw line. Look at how Bron just crumbles in game 6 while JR Smith steps up and takes the ball away from bron and brings the team within 4 points with 33 sec remaining.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uLN7SDAW3Y

He went to the finals 5 straight times in the weak east conference only to be 2/5. (2/4 if we exclude 2015 due to team injuries)

[Thesmallmamba]

:lol

No, teams single cover him because his footwork is shit and they don't need to double cover him like other players who are also great scorers and passers. Coaches are willing to let him shoot his team out of the game on just 29% shooting from outside the free throw line. Look at how Bron just crumbles in game 6 while JR Smith steps up and takes the ball away from bron and brings the team within 4 points with 33 sec remaining.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uLN7SDAW3Y

He went to the finals 5 straight times in the weak east conference only to be 2/5. (2/4 if we exclude 2015 due to team injuries)

And? Jordan with similar supporting casts went 1-9 in the 1st round

(He had star players like Woodridge, who were better than an injured Wade)



Only once Jordans teams were fully stacked to the brim (Prime Pippen, Kukoc, Grant, Rodman, stars like Steve Harper) did he even make the finals.

LeBron made finals with teams MJ went 1-9 in



Theres a reason why the Bulls were basically the same team without MJ, they had more than enough star power and coaching to win without MJ.

[JerrySeinfeld]

teams single cover him because it's effective and works. saw it the last 2 years in the finals. Rest of Bron's team stood idly by while he got his (on poor efficency last year), and the other team could easily defend Bron's team because the iso heavy ball hog style of ball is too easy to figure out.

Thats why Bron would be wise to sit out like half of this year, let other guys develop into playmakers, and then take a backseat to Irving in the Finals, just focusing on his efficency and maybe going to the post more (in the Finals).

He's probably gonna play his normal stathunt, ballhog style of ball tho and the other team will win the Finals as a result, no matter if Bron averaged 40ppg (which would be on 30% shooting) or 20ppg

[Straight_Ballin]

And? Jordan with similar supporting casts went 1-9 in the 1st round

(He had star players like Woodridge, who were better than an injured Wade)



Only once Jordans teams were fully stacked to the brim (Prime Pippen, Kukoc, Grant, Rodman, stars like Steve Harper) did he even make the finals.

LeBron made finals with teams MJ went 1-9 in



Theres a reason why the Bulls were basically the same team without MJ, they had more than enough star power and coaching to win without MJ.

There you go again still not "getting it" just like you didn't get it on your Dubeta account.

Basketball is a TEAM game.

Jordan/Pippen DUO on their respective teams winning 6/6 and demonstrating perfection, is >>>>>>>>> than Lebron/teammate DUO on his respective teams going 2/6.

[Thesmallmamba]

There you go again still not "getting it" just like you didn't get it on your Dubeta account.

Basketball is a TEAM game.

Jordan/Pippen DUO on their respective teams winning 6/6 and demonstrating perfection, is >>>>>>>>> than Lebron/teammate DUO on his respective teams going 2/6.

So you're brushing away Jordan going 1-9 with stars like Woodridge? :lol

I know you want to ignore it, but it actually happened


Not our fault Jordan turned his teammates into spot-up shooters come playoff time

[Straight_Ballin]

So you're brushing away Jordan going 1-9 with stars like Woodridge? :lol

I know you want to ignore it, but it actually happened


Not our fault Jordan turned his teammates into spot-up shooters come playoff time

Please site a single link where any known sports analyst mentions this 1-9 stat.:lol
No one mentions it because even though 1-9 in his first 10 playoff games, he learned from his mistakes and improved to go 6/6 in the finals with 6 FMVP. That is what happens as you develop as a player. You improve, not decline.

So basically every time he had a team good enough to be competitive to actually get to the finals, he ensured perfection once he got there.

Bron, in the same exact position other than 2015 with injured teammates in the finals, has failed 3 of 5 times. That's horrible relative to Jordan.

You are trying to troll saying that bron is not inferior to Jordan, and you keep failing at this pathetic troll attempt! :roll:

[Thesmallmamba]

Please site a single link where any known sports analyst mentions this 1-9 stat.:lol
No one mentions it because even though 1-9 in his first 10 playoff games, he learned from his mistakes and improved to go 6/6 in the finals with 6 FMVP. That is what happens as you develop as a player. You improve, not decline.

So basically every time he had a team good enough to be competitive to actually get to the finals, he ensured perfection once he got there.

Bron, in the same exact position other than 2015 with injured teammates in the finals, has failed 3 of 5 times. That's horrible relative to Jordan.

You are trying to troll saying that bron is not inferior to Jordan, and you keep failing at this pathetic troll attempt! :roll:


We gon act like 1995 didnt happen? :oldlol:

Jordan had a comeback midway in the season, wouldve been a perfect storybook season to win the championship that year, yet Shaq took his lunchmoney


They needed Rodman bad to win the last 3, he was the MVP of those last 3 Bulls rings


Meanwhile Jordan was a cancer that ruined the Bulls chemistry the second he came back


1994 without MJ - 55 wins

1995 MJ comes back - 47 wins


the truth hurts, your boy was a cancer :lol

[Straight_Ballin]

We gon act like 1995 didnt happen? :oldlol:

Jordan had a comeback midway in the season, wouldve been a perfect storybook season to win the championship that year, yet Shaq took his lunchmoney


They needed Rodman bad to win the last 3, he was the MVP of those last 3 Bulls rings


Meanwhile Jordan was a cancer that ruined the Bulls chemistry the second he came back


1994 without MJ - 55 wins

1995 MJ comes back - 47 wins


the truth hurts, your boy was a cancer :lol

Come back when Lebron wins without Wade, otherwise Jordan winning without Pippen is a meaningless fact. Bron is such a cancer he can't win without Wade's mental support system! :lol :lol :lol :lol

[Thesmallmamba]

Come back when Lebron wins without Wade, otherwise Jordan winning without Pippen is a meaningless fact. Bron is such a cancer he can't win without Wade's mental support system! :lol :lol :lol :lol

Jordan cant even win more than 1 playoff game without Pippen, GTFO :lol :roll:


He would have literally ended up 1-33 or something if Pippen never showed up

[Straight_Ballin]

Jordan cant even win more than 1 playoff game without Pippen, GTFO :lol :roll:


He would have literally ended up 1-33 or something if Pippen never showed up

And Bron would have no rings without colluding with Wade. One man worked with his teammate to make him better, the other man colluded. :applause:

It's gotten to the point where 2k sports has to put a guy that's been retired for 17 years on the cover of their 2015 basketball game just to get sales. :lol

[aj1987]

:lol

No, teams single cover him because his footwork is shit and they don't need to double cover him like other players who are also great scorers and passers. Coaches are willing to let him shoot his team out of the game on just 29% shooting from outside the free throw line. Look at how Bron just crumbles in game 6 while JR Smith steps up and takes the ball away from bron and brings the team within 4 points with 33 sec remaining.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uLN7SDAW3Y

He went to the finals 5 straight times in the weak east conference only to be 2/5. (2/4 if we exclude 2015 due to team injuries)
:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

LeBron's jumper was broke AF in the PO's. Lets not ignore that. Besides that, LeBron's teammates were SHIT without him. Why are you ignoring the FACT that JR was shooting 31% and 29% from the 3 for the series? The Cav's without LeBron on the floor?

JR Smith 0/9 FG
Delly 0/7 FG
J. Jones 0/3 FG
Shumpert 0/2 FG
Total 0/21 FG

From another post:

Try watching the series, dumbass. Shump, JR, and Delly, their main players shot like shit. They missed WIDE open 3 pointers. Since you want to talk about running an offense, which would help his teammates, without LeBron, can you tell me who actually can run it? JR? Shump? Delly? :oldlol:

He couldn't hand over the playmaking duties to others nor was he able to let others make decisions, because they're low IQ players. Shump and JR were terrible and can't create for others. Delly had a hard time bringing the ball up court. Actually, Shump is a below average playmaker, but the other two are worse than garbage.

The game in which Mozgov put up 28 points, the Cavs lost by 21 points. LeBron struggled shooting the ball, but he did have 20/12/8. 12 rebounds and 8 assists (oh wait, rebounds and assists only matter when it's Bird). Delly went 3-14, JR 2-12, Shump 2-9, JJ 0-3, etc.. A combined 18% FG%. Literally no one could hit a shot. To top it off, the Warriors went small and Moz couldn't guard anyone on the court. Bogut was benched and Green was playing at the C.

For the series, the 3 guys who played the 3rd, 4th, and 5th highest minutes managed to score a combined 25.5 points on sub 40% TS. 29% FG% and 28% 3pt%.

Again, those guys missed WIDE open shots. You might want to rewatch the series.

Why did you ignore the rest of my post? I'll post it again for you.

Teams single cover him because he's an amazing passer. Even with garbage for teammates (his 2nd, 3rd, and 4th options shots under 30%), dude managed to get 9 assists a game. Won 2 games in a series which most though would be over in 4 after Love's and Kyrie's injuries?

Who do you want to credit in '13, '14, and '15? Wade was good in the Finals in '13, but he was injured and played bad in the EC PO's. Bosh was shit. How many players led their teams in points, rebounds, assists, and steals for 4 STRAIGHT PO's, while making the Finals each time and winning twice? MJ didn't have to carry that kinda load even ONCE.

[Straight_Ballin]

That's great excuses and all but yet:

How many of the current top 10 of all time players have had the opportunity to play in a weak east after collusion not once but twice to easily put themselves in a position to lead their teams in points, rebounds, assists, and steals for 4 STRAIGHT PO's, while making the Finals each time and winning twice? Anyone can put something in a certain context to fit their agenda. Doesn't change the fact that he's 2/6, and still not a top 10 player of all time by popular vote.

[aj1987]

That's great excuses and all but yet:

How many of the current top 10 of all time players have had the opportunity to play in a weak east after collusion not once but twice to easily put themselves in a position to lead their teams in points, rebounds, assists, and steals for 4 STRAIGHT PO's, while making the Finals each time and winning twice? Anyone can put something in a certain context to fit their agenda. Doesn't change the fact that he's 2/6, and still not a top 10 player of all time by popular vote.
:facepalm :facepalm

Please stop posting, retard. That's what even your idol would say, if he read your posts. 0 basketball knowledge.

[Straight_Ballin]

:facepalm :facepalm

Please stop posting, retard. That's what even your idol would say, if he read your posts. 0 basketball knowledge.

Thank you for throwing up the white flag and admitting that colluding and playing in the weak east to get to the finals isn't as impressive as you make it out to be.

[ShawkFactory]

Thank you for throwing up the white flag and admitting that colluding and playing in the weak east to get to the finals isn't as impressive as you make it out to be.
Thus losing in the finals isn't as terrible as YOU make it out to be.

[Hey Yo]

That's great excuses and all but yet:

How many of the current top 10 of all time players have had the opportunity to play in a weak east after collusion not once but twice to easily put themselves in a position to lead their teams in points, rebounds, assists, and steals for 4 STRAIGHT PO's, while making the Finals each time and winning twice? Anyone can put something in a certain context to fit their agenda. Doesn't change the fact that he's 2/6, and still not a top 10 player of all time by popular vote.
How many of the current top 10 quit on their team and league while in the middle of their contract and prime? All because he mentally couldn't handle trying to defend his title for the 3rd time.

[Straight_Ballin]

Thus losing in the finals isn't as terrible as YOU make it out to be.

It is terrible when you put it in the context of comparing it to 6/6 finals perfection. Of-course a bran stan is going to say "2/6 isn't that bad" :lol

What other ground do they have to stand on? It already happened. They guy colluded to ring chase. He won 2/4 times. The last time he had a team good enough to get there but players were injured. We get it. But what is the excuse going to be in 2016 when all the cavs are healthy, make it to the finals because they are stacked, and they still lose? What will be the new justification for 2/7?

[ShawkFactory]

It is terrible when you put it in the context of comparing it to 6/6 finals perfection. Of-course a bran stan is going to say "2/6 isn't that bad" :lol

What other ground do they have to stand on? It already happened. They guy colluded to ring chase. He won 2/4 times. The last time he had a team good enough to get there but players were injured. We get it. But what is the excuse going to be in 2016 when all the cavs are healthy, make it to the finals because they are stacked, and they still lose? What will be the new justification for 2/7?
Well you certainly went on a useless tangent...

If you're going to say making the finals isn't impressive, then losing in it loses its luster.

[Mr. Jabbar]

I'm avoiding this thread like the plague. :(

[Straight_Ballin]

Well you certainly went on a useless tangent...

If you're going to say making the finals isn't impressive, then losing in it loses its luster.

Making the finals year after year while playing in the weak east isn't that impressive. Bron essentially colluded with teams in the east on purpose because he knew that the road to the finals would be easier. If the NBA were to correct this nonsense by using seeding, this exploit would not be possible.

[aj1987]

Thank you for throwing up the white flag and admitting that colluding and playing in the weak east to get to the finals isn't as impressive as you make it out to be.
You have YET to come up with a sensible and intelligent argument. That's probably asking too much from you though.

[Straight_Ballin]

You have YET to come up with a sensible and intelligent argument. That's probably asking too much from you though.

You have YET to recognize what a fact is. The facts of the matter are that Lebron James colluded twice, plays in the weak east, has never won without Wade, and has a finals record of 2/6. Based on these facts, I am predicting 2/7.

[r15mohd]

That's great excuses and all but yet:

How many of the current top 10 of all time players have had the opportunity to play in a weak east after collusion not once but twice to easily put themselves in a position to lead their teams in points, rebounds, assists, and steals for 4 STRAIGHT PO's, while making the Finals each time and winning twice? Anyone can put something in a certain context to fit their agenda. Doesn't change the fact that he's 2/6, and still not a top 10 player of all time by popular vote.


the 80s Lakers faced garbage competition before they reached the Finals...and they have 2 of the top 5 players on the top10 listing with Kareem and Magic. you're trying to make a case of intangibles, which is nothing the majority of NBA fans consider when ranking a player. they don't care how many times you lost, who you played or played with, etc.

all that matters is the titles and FMVP...and players like Magic and Wilt are tested to this as both have not so great Finals records, yet ranked in the top5. Lebron will or is apart of this same scenario, and by the time he's done he is inaurguably a top 10 player...and even now he's in it on many lists.

deny it all you want, it's reality

[aj1987]

You have YET to recognize what a fact is. The facts of the matter are that Lebron James colluded twice, plays in the weak east, has never won without Wade, and has a finals record of 2/6. Based on these facts, I am predicting 2/7.
You don't know what a fact is, do you? Literally 90% of the following are FACTS:

LeBron's jumper was broke AF in the PO's. Lets not ignore that. Besides that, LeBron's teammates were SHIT without him. Why are you ignoring the FACT that JR was shooting 31% and 29% from the 3 for the series? The Cav's without LeBron on the floor?

JR Smith 0/9 FG
Delly 0/7 FG
J. Jones 0/3 FG
Shumpert 0/2 FG
Total 0/21 FG

From another post:

Try watching the series, dumbass. Shump, JR, and Delly, their main players shot like shit. They missed WIDE open 3 pointers. Since you want to talk about running an offense, which would help his teammates, without LeBron, can you tell me who actually can run it? JR? Shump? Delly?

He couldn't hand over the playmaking duties to others nor was he able to let others make decisions, because they're low IQ players. Shump and JR were terrible and can't create for others. Delly had a hard time bringing the ball up court. Actually, Shump is a below average playmaker, but the other two are worse than garbage.

The game in which Mozgov put up 28 points, the Cavs lost by 21 points. LeBron struggled shooting the ball, but he did have 20/12/8. 12 rebounds and 8 assists (oh wait, rebounds and assists only matter when it's Bird). Delly went 3-14, JR 2-12, Shump 2-9, JJ 0-3, etc.. A combined 18% FG%. Literally no one could hit a shot. To top it off, the Warriors went small and Moz couldn't guard anyone on the court. Bogut was benched and Green was playing at the C.

For the series, the 3 guys who played the 3rd, 4th, and 5th highest minutes managed to score a combined 25.5 points on sub 40% TS. 29% FG% and 28% 3pt%.

Again, those guys missed WIDE open shots. You might want to rewatch the series.

Why did you ignore the rest of my post? I'll post it again for you.

Teams single cover him because he's an amazing passer. Even with garbage for teammates (his 2nd, 3rd, and 4th options shots under 30%), dude managed to get 9 assists a game. Won 2 games in a series which most though would be over in 4 after Love's and Kyrie's injuries?

Who do you want to credit in '13, '14, and '15? Wade was good in the Finals in '13, but he was injured and played bad in the EC PO's. Bosh was shit. How many players led their teams in points, rebounds, assists, and steals for 4 STRAIGHT PO's, while making the Finals each time and winning twice? MJ didn't have to carry that kinda load even ONCE.


You want me highlight all the facts? Your tiny mind might not be able to read all that. Let me know.:cheers:

[Straight_Ballin]

Didn't read. This is very simple.

Lebron James colluded twice, plays in the weak east, has never won without Wade, and has a finals record of 2/6. Based on these facts, I am predicting 2/7.

Are you telling me that you are predicting 3/7 despite these facts?

[aj1987]

Can't read.
That explains a lot.


Lebron James colluded twice, plays in the weak east, has never won without Wade, and has a finals record of 2/6. Based on these facts, I am predicting 2/7.

Are you telling me that you are predicting 3/7 despite these facts?
You might want to look up the definitions of 'collusion' and 'fact'.

[ShawkFactory]

Didn't read. This is very simple.

Lebron James colluded twice, plays in the weak east, has never won without Wade, and has a finals record of 2/6. Based on these facts, I am predicting 2/7.

Are you telling me that you are predicting 3/7 despite these facts?
How are you such a Jordan Stan? No way you were old enough to watch him.

[Lebron23]

I just sent a message to Jeff. And reported his posts. This moron would be gone from Insidehoops tomorrow.

[Straight_Ballin]

That explains a lot.


You might want to look up the definitions of 'collusion' and 'fact'.

By your refusal to predict 2/7 or 3/7, I'll take that as you chalking up a loss. At least I know how to analyze facts and make a well educated prediction based on said facts. (2/7) You on the other hand......

The whole Bron argument could have easily been ended in the other thread I posted below, but the thread got shut down because such a thread would mean less Jordan vs Bron discussions, and less site traffic.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=2

[aj1987]

By your refusal to predict 2/7 or 3/7, I'll take that as you chalking up a loss. At least I know how to analyze facts and make a well educated prediction based on said facts. (2/7) You on the other hand......

The whole Bron argument could have easily been ended in the other thread I posted below, but the thread got shut down because such a thread would mean less Jordan vs Bron discussions, and less site traffic.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=2
You don't know what a fact is, do you? Literally 90% of the following are FACTS:

LeBron's jumper was broke AF in the PO's. Lets not ignore that. Besides that, LeBron's teammates were SHIT without him. Why are you ignoring the FACT that JR was shooting 31% and 29% from the 3 for the series? The Cav's without LeBron on the floor?

JR Smith 0/9 FG
Delly 0/7 FG
J. Jones 0/3 FG
Shumpert 0/2 FG
Total 0/21 FG

From another post:

Try watching the series, dumbass. Shump, JR, and Delly, their main players shot like shit. They missed WIDE open 3 pointers. Since you want to talk about running an offense, which would help his teammates, without LeBron, can you tell me who actually can run it? JR? Shump? Delly?

He couldn't hand over the playmaking duties to others nor was he able to let others make decisions, because they're low IQ players. Shump and JR were terrible and can't create for others. Delly had a hard time bringing the ball up court. Actually, Shump is a below average playmaker, but the other two are worse than garbage.

The game in which Mozgov put up 28 points, the Cavs lost by 21 points. LeBron struggled shooting the ball, but he did have 20/12/8. 12 rebounds and 8 assists (oh wait, rebounds and assists only matter when it's Bird). Delly went 3-14, JR 2-12, Shump 2-9, JJ 0-3, etc.. A combined 18% FG%. Literally no one could hit a shot. To top it off, the Warriors went small and Moz couldn't guard anyone on the court. Bogut was benched and Green was playing at the C.

For the series, the 3 guys who played the 3rd, 4th, and 5th highest minutes managed to score a combined 25.5 points on sub 40% TS. 29% FG% and 28% 3pt%.

Again, those guys missed WIDE open shots. You might want to rewatch the series.

Why did you ignore the rest of my post? I'll post it again for you.

Teams single cover him because he's an amazing passer. Even with garbage for teammates (his 2nd, 3rd, and 4th options shots under 30%), dude managed to get 9 assists a game. Won 2 games in a series which most though would be over in 4 after Love's and Kyrie's injuries?

Who do you want to credit in '13, '14, and '15? Wade was good in the Finals in '13, but he was injured and played bad in the EC PO's. Bosh was shit. How many players led their teams in points, rebounds, assists, and steals for 4 STRAIGHT PO's, while making the Finals each time and winning twice? MJ didn't have to carry that kinda load even ONCE.


You want me highlight all the facts? Your tiny mind might not be able to read all that. Let me know.

[ShawkFactory]

By your refusal to predict 2/7 or 3/7, I'll take that as you chalking up a loss. At least I know how to analyze facts and make a well educated prediction based on said facts. (2/7) You on the other hand......

The whole Bron argument could have easily been ended in the other thread I posted below, but the thread got shut down because such a thread would mean less Jordan vs Bron discussions, and less site traffic.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=2
:kobe:

[Lebron23]

AJ1987 is clowning Straight_B*ll$hit.

[ballinhun8]

I just sent a message to Jeff. And reported his posts. This moron would be gone from Insidehoops tomorrow.


If it doesn't happen to you who has as much bball iq as straight ballin, I doubt it happens to him.

[Lebron23]

If it doesn't happen to you who has as much bball iq as straight ballin, I doubt it happens to him.

STFU Joel. Your Bulls sucks. LeBron owned your team since 2009.

[Straight_Ballin]

I just sent a message to Jeff. And reported his posts. This moron would be gone from Insidehoops tomorrow.

Jeff has already warned you about your bullshit. Keep it up.

[Lebron23]

Jeff has already warned you about your bullshit. Keep it up.


Bye, Bye B1tch.

https://i.imgflip.com/jgwty.jpg

[ballinhun8]

STFU Joel. Your Bulls sucks. LeBron owned your team since 2009.



They don't really suck. They're a perennial playoff team. Every year since 09 actually. So if they suck then what do the Cavs do?


Im a team fan, not a b*tch fan like yourself.

[Lebron23]

They don't really suck. They're a perennial playoff team. Every year since 09 actually. So if they suck then what do the Cavs do?


Im a team fan, not a b*tch fan like yourself.


They suck against Team LeBron. You hate LeBron cause he always beat your team in the playoffs.

PS:

I won't be surprise if you and Straight_Bakla/LBJFTW are the same posters. I can just feel it.

[I<3NBA]

Lebron hasn't been the most skilled nor had the best production and yet if any GM is asked today if they would trade their best player for him, they would do it in a heartbeat.

[Straight_Ballin]

They suck against Team LeBron. You hate LeBron cause he always beat your team in the playoffs.

PS:

I won't be surprise if you and Straight_Bakla/LBJFTW are the same posters. I can just feel it.

I know life is boring for you in the Philippines hence your 50,000+ posts about Lebron, but 2/7 won't be that bad....

[ballinhun8]

They suck against Team LeBron. You hate LeBron cause he always beat your team in the playoffs.

PS:

I won't be surprise if you and Straight_Bakla/LBJFTW are the same posters. I can just feel it.


There is no team lebron. You can't buy team lebron gear. As usual you have no clue what you're talking about. That just be the language barrier you have such difficult with.


But you honestly think I would pick an alternative username with the same name? Really? My god you're stupid.

[aj1987]

:oldlol:

Does anyone actually talk basketball anymore?

[Mr. Jabbar]

I just sent a message to Jeff. And reported his posts. This moron would be gone from Insidehoops tomorrow.

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1473547487/kiko.jpg

[scuzzy]

It is terrible when you put it in the context of comparing it to 6/6 finals perfection. Of-course a bran stan is going to say "2/6 isn't that bad" :lol

What other ground do they have to stand on? It already happened. They guy colluded to ring chase. He won 2/4 times. The last time he had a team good enough to get there but players were injured. We get it. But what is the excuse going to be in 2016 when all the cavs are healthy, make it to the finals because they are stacked, and they still lose? What will be the new justification for 2/7?
:roll: :roll:

[Straight_Ballin]

Yep, I was wrong.

Didn't think he could do it and he did.

All is forgiven now. He's allowed to play on my Cavs even if they never win another ring but I hope they do.