My ONLY beef with weed being legal

[Draz]

I'm an occasional smoker. I don't do it to socialize. I do it in my own environment 95% of the time away from friends. Most of my friends and 99% of my family don't know I do it. I get asked by friends to smoke and I turn them down because I don't like the way society views people that test weed.

Now, with that being said. I admit I do use it at night, an hour or two before bed. Alone, by myself, the way I like it.

Here's my only concern with the drug being legal. It'll handicap your thinking process. I'll be subconscious about people going behind a wheel of a vehicle while buzzed or high. I'm not one to sit here to say people can't control their highs. But, who are we to challenge with our loved ones in our vehicle if the vehicle on the opposite side has self control over his/her high.

Obviously there would be laws on how much you can smoke before driving. But it only encourages people to test the waters and there is no doubt it'll increase accidents. I have never driven while high, given the opportunity numerous times I decline myself of that privilege. I have friends that smoke blunts after blunts and drive home.

For anyone that smokes weed, care to have a say? And just to clarify, I have nothing against the drug. By all means I'm not for or against it, I'm pretty mutual.

[iTare]

It's a tough topic. For example me and my friends drove back from California back to Utah and we were dabbing all through out the trip, traffic was crazy as it was during a holiday. No accident, no close calls. Nothing. I drive stoned pretty much every day and all it really does is make me more aware. Most of my friends do the same, but a few of them sort of do dumb things behind the wheel but they do this when they're sober also... :oldlol:

I do however understand that weed affects interacts differently with some folks, especially casual users. I personally wouldn't trust a person who smokes once in a while to drive around in the city.

It's definitely different than alcohol though, with weed you reach a peak and self comfort with alcohol you can become full of yourself and the drowsiness is 100x stronger than what weed can cause(unless it's edibles).

Bottom line: some people can hang, some can't. It's hard to justify who should be allowed to drive super high.

[Real Men Wear Green]

We have the same problem with drinking and driving. Actually if I were to pick I'd say a drunk driver is worse than a high driver. Neither is good of course but it doesn't make real sense for alcohol to be legal when weed isn't.

[RidonKs]

we'll see if canada has similar cultural effects to what has occurred in the netherlands, portugal, etc

that argument that criminalizing something makes it cool and thus more popular than it might otherwise be has a lot of validity i think...

but then canada's leagalization is coming at a different time. drug prohibition fanaticism is on the downswing. recreational and medicinal are in with significant rehabilitation provided to abusers.

one positive note is that it could eat into the the dependence people have on alcohol. not that a shared dependence on a variety of narcotics is much better than a strict reliance on a single type. but different narcotics lead to different environments and interactions....

the difference between pot and booze is notable. one gets you fired up, the other tires you right out. one removes all filters while the other can have either effect. one produces volatility, the other enhances civility.

interesting times ahead

[Draz]

That's exactly my point. We can't justify who can or can't drive while high. We can't filter out the people that can handle their highs versus the people that can't. I, for one, can't handle it. The legalization will bring new smokers in, and it'll only increase the risks of something happening behind the wheel.

While it's obvious we can say the same about alcohol, I just feel like adding another substance only increases our chances of being injured, or dying on the road. I know most of us here have families and if not families of our own we love our own lives. The risk factor encourages me more to be paranoid.

Not to mention idiots waiting on stop signs to turn green and the first in line at a stop light sits there waiting for it to go red again.

[Draz]

We have the same problem with drinking and driving. Actually if I were to pick I'd say a drunk driver is worse than a high driver. Neither is good of course but it doesn't make real sense for alcohol to be legal when weed isn't.
I agree with you 100%. It's adding to the probability that we shouldn't be blindsided on.

[nathanjizzle]

you are right. marijuana is fine for personal use, just like alcohol is, but you need to be responsible in how you use is.

[Draz]

The reason I'm bringing this up, legalization in Canada will entirely start a massive wave of legalization here in the states. While this is my only gripe, others have their own gripes with it being legal. My view on one stand point can be the paranoia to be alive and living in fear, while the other has to do with realistic scenarios.

While one can say, I'm fine, I'll take the MTA or I don't use vehicle transportation I can walk. You can't avoid being hit by a car.

The judgement other people make while being under the influence of drugs is the risk factor.

[~primetime~]

Marijuana involved in 12 percent of Colorado State Patrol DUI cases (http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_27421987/marijuana-involved-12-percent-colorado-state-patrol-dui)

[RidonKs]

I'm an occasional smoker. I don't do it to socialize. I do it in my own environment 95% of the time away from friends. Most of my friends and 99% of my family don't know I do it. I get asked by friends to smoke and I turn them down because I don't like the way society views people that test weed.

Now, with that being said. I admit I do use it at night, an hour or two before bed. Alone, by myself, the way I like it.

Here's my only concern with the drug being legal. It'll handicap your thinking process. I'll be subconscious about people going behind a wheel of a vehicle while buzzed or high. I'm not one to sit here to say people can't control their highs. But, who are we to challenge with our loved ones in our vehicle if the vehicle on the opposite side has self control over his/her high.

Obviously there would be laws on how much you can smoke before driving. But it only encourages people to test the waters and there is no doubt it'll increase accidents. I have never driven while high, given the opportunity numerous times I decline myself of that privilege. I have friends that smoke blunts after blunts and drive home.

For anyone that smokes weed, care to have a say? And just to clarify, I have nothing against the drug. By all means I'm not for or against it, I'm pretty mutual.
as for this... the sad truth is that people already drive high all the time.

there's an underlying assumption to your case though. you have to believe legalization will enhance usage... which hasn't necessarily been the case in other countries. if legalizing weed will increase how many people use it

like rmwg said, this is an issue for booze already. being high and drunk at the same time is even more dangerous.

the point to stress is that there is NO effective way to limit intoxication and driving when the substances are illegal. then they're in black markets that can't be touched by regulating agencies and can't be penetrated by public educators.

when a substance is legalized, it's drawn into the light. people understand its effects and are able to make more deliberate choices to partake or not... there is less giving into peer pressure, since if its not criminal, taking a toke isn't exactly sticking it to the man.

legalization allows us to track the way and extent to which people use it in all sorts of fantastic ways. the more data you have that's representative of the known demographic, the more precise are your tools to addressing whatever problems you uncover.

i really think there are all sorts of cases to be made for legalization; moral, economic, psychological, scientific, etc etc etc

[~primetime~]

You can look at states where it is legal to see the effects it has...



The biggest thing that proponents of legalizing pot got wrong is that it has made the black market increase rather than decrease. The black market for pot is booming in legal states - BECAUSE it is legal. The police aren't cracking down as much and legal pot is much more expensive than black market pot because it is heavily taxed.

[RidonKs]

The biggest thing that proponents of legalizing pot got wrong is that it has made the black market increase rather than decrease. The black market for pot is booming in legal states - BECAUSE it is legal. The police aren't cracking down as much and legal pot is much more expensive than black market pot because it is heavily taxed.
this is probably just a short term result.

but it also probably has to do with internal competition between states with conflicting policies. you do not notice the same results in places where border mobility for people and business isn't so easy... thus a federal policy would substantially eliminate the black market.

[Nick Young]

driving when stoned is easy. It's nowhere near the same as drunk driving.

[DonDadda59]

F*ck you for questioning the only cure for cancer. Driving while high is the only way to combat drunk driving you idiot. I hope you and your family all die terrible deaths from cancer of the eyes.

Oh wait... forgot to switch to my Lensanity alt.

BRB.

[UK2K]

I'm an occasional smoker. I don't do it to socialize. I do it in my own environment 95% of the time away from friends. Most of my friends and 99% of my family don't know I do it. I get asked by friends to smoke and I turn them down because I don't like the way society views people that test weed.

Now, with that being said. I admit I do use it at night, an hour or two before bed. Alone, by myself, the way I like it.

Here's my only concern with the drug being legal. It'll handicap your thinking process. I'll be subconscious about people going behind a wheel of a vehicle while buzzed or high. I'm not one to sit here to say people can't control their highs. But, who are we to challenge with our loved ones in our vehicle if the vehicle on the opposite side has self control over his/her high.

Obviously there would be laws on how much you can smoke before driving. But it only encourages people to test the waters and there is no doubt it'll increase accidents. I have never driven while high, given the opportunity numerous times I decline myself of that privilege. I have friends that smoke blunts after blunts and drive home.

For anyone that smokes weed, care to have a say? And just to clarify, I have nothing against the drug. By all means I'm not for or against it, I'm pretty mutual.

I will say that I am self aware, and able to tell when I should, and shouldn't drive. While I have (and can) drive high, 99/100 I don't, and haven't in years.

That being said, the odds of someone getting drunk and driving vs the odds of some stoner getting high and driving are nowhere near similar. Throw in that Taco Bell will deliver soon, and you wont ever see any stoners leaving the house.

But on a serious note, I can smoke as much weed as I want and STILL know right from wrong. Cant say the same with alcohol.

[~primetime~]

this is probably just a short term result.

but it also probably has to do with internal competition between states with conflicting policies. you do not notice the same results in places where border mobility for people and business isn't so easy... thus a federal policy would substantially eliminate the black market.
The black market thrives there because sellers can now sell out in the open and they can destroy the legal prices which are taxed to hell. Residents of COL don't even buy legal pot, it's mainly tourists.

Inside Colorado’s flourishing, segregated black market for pot (http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/storyline/wp/2014/07/30/inside-colorados-flourishing-segregated-black-market-for-pot/)
“I don’t know who is buying for recreational use at dispensaries unless it’s white, middle-class people and out-of-towners,” Rudy Reddog Balles, a longtime community activist and mediator. “Everyone I know still has the guy on the street that they hook up with.”

[UK2K]

You can look at states where it is legal to see the effects it has...



The biggest thing that proponents of legalizing pot got wrong is that it has made the black market increase rather than decrease. The black market for pot is booming in legal states - BECAUSE it is legal. The police aren't cracking down as much and legal pot is much more expensive than black market pot because it is heavily taxed.

Imagine that.....

Nobody could have seen that coming :lol :lol

Our government (politicians) are so ****ing stupid.

[Draz]

[QUOTE=~primetime~]The black market thrives there because sellers can now sell out in the open and they can destroy the legal prices which are taxed to hell. Residents of COL don't even buy legal pot, it's mainly tourists.

[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/storyline/wp/2014/07/30/inside-colorados-flourishing-segregated-black-market-for-pot/"]Inside Colorado

[Nanners]

Obviously there would be laws on how much you can smoke before driving. But it only encourages people to test the waters and there is no doubt it'll increase accidents. I have never driven while high, given the opportunity numerous times I decline myself of that privilege. I have friends that smoke blunts after blunts and drive home.


its still a little too early to know exactly what will happen, but so far the data is actually showing that the opposite is true

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2014/08/05/since-marijuana-legalization-highway-fatalities-in-colorado-are-at-near-historic-lows/


anyway, recreational weed has been legal in my state for 21 days now, and i could not be happier about it :pimp:

[GIF REACTION]

bless should have some good insight on the whole black market thing

seeing as how he is in a black market operation

[fiddy]

Here's my only concern with the drug being legal. It'll handicap your thinking process. I'll be subconscious about people going behind a wheel of a vehicle while buzzed or high. I'm not one to sit here to say people can't control their highs. But, who are we to challenge with our loved ones in our vehicle if the vehicle on the opposite side has self control over his/her high.

Obviously there would be laws on how much you can smoke before driving. But it only encourages people to test the waters and there is no doubt it'll increase accidents. I have never driven while high, given the opportunity numerous times I decline myself of that privilege. I have friends that smoke blunts after blunts and drive home.

For anyone that smokes weed, care to have a say? And just to clarify, I have nothing against the drug. By all means I'm not for or against it, I'm pretty mutual.

Moderation is the key to the problem. Secondary solution is detoxification, american ginseng is an active detox for weed, as well as ibuprofen but id stay away from that. You have to take care of your brain receptors, taking omega 3 on daily basis definitely helps.

[Draz]

Moderation is the key to the problem. Secondary solution is detoxification, american ginseng is an active detox for weed, as well as ibuprofen but id stay away from that. You have to take care of your brain receptors, taking omega 3 on daily basis definitely helps.
Yah.. I take my omegas daily lol

[Nick Young]

[QUOTE=~primetime~]The black market thrives there because sellers can now sell out in the open and they can destroy the legal prices which are taxed to hell. Residents of COL don't even buy legal pot, it's mainly tourists.

[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/storyline/wp/2014/07/30/inside-colorados-flourishing-segregated-black-market-for-pot/"]Inside Colorado

[fiddy]

Yah.. I take my omegas daily lol
:durantunimpressed:

[Draz]

:durantunimpressed:
:biggums:

[fiddy]

:biggums:
You do forreal?

[Draz]

You do forreal?
Omega 3s yah :coleman:

[KyrieTheFuture]

Just moved to Colorado, I love the fact that I can buy legal weed, and I prefer it even if it's more expensive. I'm proud to contribute to the tax base with that kind of purchase. I don't need to save 5 dollars. Idk how much I agree with that article one of the dispensaries I like is in a pretty poor area and I was the only white customer there.

[fiddy]

Omega 3s yah :coleman:
:applause:

You have to try this http://www.iherb.com/Now-Foods-Alpha-GPC-300-mg-60-Vcaps/12803

[Draz]

:applause:

You have to try this http://www.iherb.com/Now-Foods-Alpha-GPC-300-mg-60-Vcaps/12803
I'll look into it. Been taking it every day now as of recently. Anything else?


Also 58% of Americans support legalization for weed.

[Levity]

:applause:

You have to try this http://www.iherb.com/Now-Foods-Alpha-GPC-300-mg-60-Vcaps/12803

interesting. care to elaborate a bit more, as to why you take it. like yourself, i take omega 3s daily (through fish oil). so im open ears to hear more about this.

[fiddy]

interesting. care to elaborate a bit more, as to why you take it. like yourself, i take omega 3s daily (through fish oil). so im open ears to hear more about this.
Its a precursor for acetylcholine, which in turn is responsible for attention and memory and general improvement of cognitive functions, its definitely worth giving it a shot. I usually take 1 cap per day and works like a charm. Definitely alleviates "dumb" feeling from weed.

[Draz]

I don't even know what omega 3s do but I just take them.

[fiddy]

I don't even know what omega 3s do but I just take them.
Repair the receptors in the brain, including the cannabinoid receptors to which the THC bounds. What brand?

[Draz]

Repair the receptors in the brain, including the cannabinoid receptors to which the THC bounds. What brand?
https://www.google.com/search?q=kirkland+omega+3&client=safari&hl=en-us&prmd=sinv&source=lnms&tbm=shop&sa=X&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAWoVChMI_dSmg9PUyAIVyXY-Ch2evAod#spd=1603434482253924116&spud=0

That's the one.

[nightlight]

[QUOTE=~primetime~]The black market thrives there because sellers can now sell out in the open and they can destroy the legal prices which are taxed to hell. Residents of COL don't even buy legal pot, it's mainly tourists.

[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/storyline/wp/2014/07/30/inside-colorados-flourishing-segregated-black-market-for-pot/"]Inside Colorado

[FreezingTsmoove]

It shouldnt be legal at all. What kind of message does legalizing this shit send to high school kids and middle school kids? Smoking a ton of weed that age can **** up your whole life. I was addicted to blunts like a crack addict in HS along with a ton of guys and friends in my school. 99% of those dudes aint doing shit with their lives right now. The day I turned 18 was the day I decided to change my life around. Even then it was hard for me to stop smoking

Whats stopping kids from doing this shit everyday if it becomes legal? They have nothing else better to do

[Draz]

It shouldnt be legal at all. What kind of message does legalizing this shit send to high school kids and middle school kids? Smoking a ton of weed that age can **** up your whole life. I was addicted to blunts like a crack addict in HS along with a ton of guys and friends in my school. 99% of those dudes aint doing shit with their lives right now. The day I turned 18 was the day I decided to change my life around. Even then it was hard for me to stop smoking

Whats stopping kids from doing this shit everyday if it becomes legal? They have nothing else better to do
If you don't mind me asking a few questions?

What age did you start, how often per day/week did you smoke?
What effect has it had on you and your growth?
What are you doing now with your life?
Do you feel any urge to smoke it now at this present time?

[Nanners]

It shouldnt be legal at all. What kind of message does legalizing this shit send to high school kids and middle school kids? Smoking a ton of weed that age can **** up your whole life. I was addicted to blunts like a crack addict in HS along with a ton of guys and friends in my school. 99% of those dudes aint doing shit with their lives right now. The day I turned 18 was the day I decided to change my life around. Even then it was hard for me to stop smoking

Whats stopping kids from doing this shit everyday if it becomes legal? They have nothing else better to do

so you think that nobody should be allowed to smoke weed because you cant control yourself? not everyone is like you, the vast majority of people are capable of smoking responsibly.

should we outlaw alcohol too since so many alcoholics cant control themselves? lots of obese people cant control their eating habits, should we outlaw fast food?

[Levity]

Whats stopping kids from doing this shit everyday if it becomes legal? They have nothing else better to do

whats stopping them from getting shit faced every day after school? alcohols legal, you know

[Draz]

Honestly. I'm pretty responsible when it comes to me smoking weed. I don't go out of my way too much either considering I vape it. The ONLY addiction I do admit to having is the fascination now of strains and nugs from reddit r/trees

I browse there constantly. Almost every day. I research the strains. I downloaded the leafly app. I haven't smoked in about three weeks too. I always judged people for being obsessed with the research on weed. Then I realized how unique it can be.

[FreezingTsmoove]

whats stopping them from getting shit faced every day after school? alcohols legal, you know

Alcohol is extremely hard to get as a kid. we usually got our weed from other dealers in our school

Getting alcohol was a blessing. Its not even close to how easy it is getting weed compared to alcohol

[Nanners]

Alcohol is extremely hard to get as a kid. we usually got our weed from other dealers in our school

Getting alcohol was a blessing. Its not even close to how easy it is getting weed compared to alcohol

it was easy as hell for me to get alcohol in high school. you didnt have any friends with an older brother? never tried shoulder tapping?

[Draz]

For me alcohol was way easier to obtain back in high school. I sorrounded myself with good kids. You can definitely tell who smoked weed, majority of my friends did at some point later on in high school, which I avoided. I would be around them and they'd blaze. I'd just get props from friends of my friends about me that I don't give in.

It's 100% identifiable with who smoked and who didn't. They just carried this persona to them. The way they moved, the way they talked, carried themselves. Finding weed wasn't that hard. But I'd say you'd have to go out of your group to get it depending on who you were clicking with and who you didn't.

[DukeDelonte13]

MJ consumption is already built into every state's DUI laws.

I'm sure much like Ohio, most states even have per se limits for how many MJ metabolites you can have in your system much like the BAC system for alcohol.

Cops get to chose which chemical test they can subject you to. Blood, breath, or urine. If a cop suspects somebody is driving while high, they will piss test them.

[KyrieTheFuture]

Alcohol is extremely hard to get as a kid. we usually got our weed from other dealers in our school

Getting alcohol was a blessing. Its not even close to how easy it is getting weed compared to alcohol
You can not be serious.

[FreezingTsmoove]

it was easy as hell for me to get alcohol in high school. you didnt have any friends with an older brother? never tried shoulder tapping?

We were turned down many times, we tried the shoulder tapping. I would say it would take us 1 every 25 people to get alcohol by shoulder tapping. It also didnt help that the liquor store was surrounded by cops all the time. I went to a ghetto school in a bad neighborhood.

[brownmamba00]

I drive high all the time...young bucks should handle it fine

Yall should worry bout drunk drivers SMH

[RidonKs]

No. The black market thrives @ wholesale quantities. Unless you're in high school, good ****ing luck finding anyone who wants to dick around with less than an oz. Dispensaries can shuffle through a greater volume of clientele than Stoner X with a burner phone. Stoner X ain't got time for that, but he can undercut the $10/g pricing when sold in ounce chunks. Stoner X still makes a good deal more $$$$ for himself at $180/oz rather than selling to a dispensary.

The growers are the ones getting shafted. They are taking nearly all of the financial risk fronting as much as 10k product to a dispensary on consignment yet the dispensary still makes the most money.
intewesting

[Draz]

My uncle about 200lbs or so 5'9 drives home DRUNK AS FCK from NY to NJ. I don't know how the fvk he does it. As long as I was alive he's been doing it. He'd come to our house, get drunk and whenever he refuses to stay he'd drive home with his entire family in the fcking car. He hasn't been doing it for the past few years with them in but he's been doing it himself. He'd also come home from numerous bars pissing drunk driving home.

I believe he lost his license at one point for this shit.

[hateraid]

I drank and drove for almost my whole life. Thank God I never got in one accident drunk. And I would be blitzed. I stopped doing that. I taxi everywhere I go if I'm gonna have a few.

[Draz]

I drank and drove for almost my whole life. Thank God I never got in one accident drunk. And I would be blitzed. I stopped doing that. I taxi everywhere I go if I'm gonna have a few.
Why? Why even risk the charges and or dying?

Just a few months ago one of my best friends drove down from Boston for a wedding. After the party he was driving home to his NY home, tire blown out and everything on the high way. Drunk too. Avoided charges but got a DUI. Can't drive in NY I believe for a year. Luckily he only spent a night in jail on his birthday. First time offender, the cops pulled him over for the tire thankfully and not for driving stupid.