With TT signing 5yr/$82M, Cavs will lose Timothy Mozgov next year

[Kiddlovesnets]

yeah, its almost guaranteed now. The cavs have not enough cap space to resign Mozgov next year, he will be a goner. Its a terrible move, should've waited till early next year and Thompson would feel desperate and willing to resign for something like 5 yr/$60M or 4 yr/48M. This way they would be able to keep both big men, but now they cannot keep Mozgov unless somehow they traded Thompson away. Now the ship has sailed, the Cavs made a grave mistake they would regret very soon.

[Thesmallmamba]

LOL cap space increases to 80M next year


Varejaos contract is also partially guranteed next year

[Lebron23]

He's also gonna get paid. Lebron loves the big fellow.

[Fallen Angel]

If Mozgov proves he's still worth retaining the Cavaliers will find a way to make space.

[bigkingsfan]

They will let Lebron go to resign him.

[Foster5k]

LOL cap space increases to 80M next year
/thread

[Kiddlovesnets]

LOL cap space increases to 80M next year


I am aware of this, but you aint aware of the fact that Cavs must resign Lebron too. So the FO should give both big contracts to Thompson and Mozgov, but let Lebron go or ask him to sign for MLE hoping he will accept it somehow, since they have no extra money to pay him?
:rolleyes:

[Straight_Ballin]

I am aware of this, but you aint aware of the fact that Cavs must resign Lebron too. So the FO should give both big contracts to Thompson and Mozgov, but let Lebron go or ask him to sign for MLE hoping he will accept it somehow, since they have no extra money to pay him?
:rolleyes:

Who said they NEED to resign Bron? They don't but most likely will to keep up their end of the deal. Nothing more. You are forgetting that with AV, Irving, AND Love injured, the rest of the team was able to play such amazing defense that the Cavs won 2 of the finals games, and JR almost enabled them to win 3 games when he put them only 4 points behind with 33 seconds left in game 6.

Now just imagine if it was only Lebron who was injured in the finals and AV, Irving, Love, Mo Williams were all healthy? Cavs in 6.

The combination of AV, Irving, Love, Mo Williams > just Lebron so even if Lebron is injured during the finals, those 4 guys fully healthy could very realistically mean a chip coming to Cleveland but it's not so much the impact of the opposition that worries any Clevelander, it's the curse of Cleveland sports.

[JT123]

Who said they NEED to resign Bron? They don't but most likely will to keep up their end of the deal. Nothing more. You are forgetting that with AV, Irving, AND Love injured, the rest of the team was able to play such amazing defense that the Cavs won 2 of the finals games, and JR almost enabled them to win 3 games when he put them only 4 points behind with 33 seconds left in game 6.

Now just imagine if it was only Lebron who was injured in the finals and AV, Irving, Love, Mo Williams were all healthy? Cavs in 6.

The combination of AV, Irving, Love, Mo Williams > just Lebron so even if Lebron is injured during the finals, those 4 guys fully healthy could very realistically mean a chip coming to Cleveland but it's not so much the impact of the opposition that worries any Clevelander, it's the curse of Cleveland sports.
:facepalm Poor old man is suffering from dementia. Probably thinks Shaq was on the team during the Finals too :lol

[poido123]

LOL no they won't.


The owner will go over the cap if need be.

[Straight_Ballin]

:facepalm Poor old man is suffering from dementia. Probably thinks Shaq was on the team during the Finals too :lol

I'm talking about a possible scenario in 2016 Finals involving Mo Williams, Irving, Love, and AV all healthy and Lebron injured.

[aj1987]

Timothy... :oldlol:

[Thesmallmamba]

:facepalm Poor old man is suffering from dementia. Probably thinks Shaq was on the team during the Finals too :lol

Old man is still mindf*cked from 1-9, im telling you :lol


Probably doesnt even know it ever happened

[Real Men Wear Green]

If James wants him they'll keep him. The cap is going up and with James Cleveland has made tons of cash and will continue to make tons of cash.

[RedBlackAttack]

These threads where people attempt to discuss things for which they have no clue are a painful read. Really, leave these discussions to people who actually understand the Cavs, what is likely to be next year's CBA, Dan Gilbert, and the reality that TT's contract is basically exactly what the Cavs wanted him to sign four months ago.

It's like, whether they know what they're talking about or not, some feel the need to give their (completely useless) opinion.

OP seems to fundamentally misunderstand the way the CBA and Bird Rights work. There is nothing stopping them from signing both LeBron and Mozgov next year. Nada.

In fact, it is a virtual guarantee that he will be signed. That is, unless his game drops off significantly or he gets injured. If he continues playing well, there is no chance Gilbert lets him walk. And, the salary cap plays almost no role in the decision, except in so far as the luxury tax is concerned.

[TheCalmInsanity]

Christian Thompson

Wind Defenders

[All Net]

OP don't think you really understand the CBA and how having bird rights even work.

Cavs aren't losing him

[bdreason]

I hope the Cavs fail miserably, so all of this luxury tax money Gilbert is paying is all for not. The league created these new tax penalties to stop teams like the Cavs from just blowing over the cap. Looks like the owners will have to look to increase the penalties further in the next CBA.

[Gileraracer]

They need TT, someone has to rebound LeBrons bricks

[Cocaine80s]

I hope the Cavs fail miserably, so all of this luxury tax money Gilbert is paying is all for not. The league created these new tax penalties to stop teams like the Cavs from just blowing over the cap. Looks like the owners will have to look to increase the penalties further in the next CBA.
Lol you still mad about the finals?

Get over it son

[Mamba]

Christian Thompson

Wind Defenders
:roll: :roll: :applause:

[I<3NBA]

It's Timofey

and it's naught. not "not"

[bdreason]

Lol you still mad about the finals?

Get over it son


I'm not mad, I'm jealous. Imagine if my Warriors had 30 MILLION more in salary AND played in the Eastern Conference... we would make a run at that Bulls 72 win record.

[RedBlackAttack]

I'm not mad, I'm jealous. Imagine if my Warriors had 30 MILLION more in salary AND played in the Eastern Conference... we would make a run at that Bulls 72 win record.
They do have $30 million more in salary, if they have an owner willing to pay a luxury tax. The Cavs aren't gaming the system. They just have good ownership who will pay what it takes to keep a team together.

Btw, if the Warriors are to remain a title contender, this is their future. They already have two max players on their books and they have basically no one else signed beyond the 2016-17 season. Keep in mind, all of these guys are going to be looking for extensions or new deals in the next year or two, just as the salaries are about to explode.

When Steph Curry asks for an extension, which may be next offseason, that will mean GSW already has three players on max deals, and Curry will be getting the super-max which no one even knows how high it will be according to the presumably new CBA with television revenue added in.

Barnes, Bogut, Iguodala, Livingston, Speights, etc. were all important to the Warriors' title run and all will be looking for new deals in the next two years. Maybe the Warriors look to move out some of these old guys and get younger... that will cost them even more.

I'm just happy the Cavs were able to lock up their core now and won't have to do it next year or two years from now. That's the reason a lot of people were anticipating Love was going to sign a 1 or 2-year deal ... and that would have meant the Cavs would have had to spend god only knows how much to keep him around beyond 2016.

This is where the league is headed. Basically, you spend money or you get out of the way.

[Clifton]

Has this board seriously devolved to the point where 90% of posters don't understand that you don't need cap space to sign players who are already on your team?

I think I need a new hobby.

[JerrySeinfeld]

They do have $30 million more in salary, if they have an owner willing to pay a luxury tax. The Cavs aren't gaming the system. They just have good ownership who will pay what it takes to keep a team together.

Problem is, not all owners in the league have the money to pay insane luxury tax fines for years on end...

Dan Gilbert is worth 4.5 Bill but some owners in the league are worth 10% of that at around 500 mill. They literally cannot afford to do what Cleveland is doing, making the system unfairly skewed towards rich owners when the whole idea of the luxury tax was supposed to be that it made the league a level playing field. I get that the teams not in the tax are gonna cash out from Cleveland being over, but from a competitive standpoint, how can you defend it?

You can't. But like you said, it's what the league has moved to now. Pay up, or get the hell out of the way. If you're a fan of a team with a "poor" owner, sucks for you :lol

[aj1987]

Problem is, not all owners in the league have the money to pay insane luxury tax fines for years on end...

Dan Gilbert is worth 4.5 Bill but some owners in the league are worth 10% of that at around 500 mill. They literally cannot afford to do what Cleveland is doing, making the system unfairly skewed towards rich owners when the whole idea of the luxury tax was supposed to be that it made the league a level playing field. I get that the teams not in the tax are gonna cash out from Cleveland being over, but from a competitive standpoint, how can you defend it?

You can't. But like you said, it's what the league has moved to now. Pay up, or get the hell out of the way. If you're a fan of a team with a "poor" owner, sucks for you :lol
Well, those "poor" owners shouldn't take a contract which is as absurd as TT's. If I was Holt, I wouldn't even touch TT's contract, even if the team had the salary cap to sign him.

[SwishSquared]

Problem is, not all owners in the league have the money to pay insane luxury tax fines for years on end...

Dan Gilbert is worth 4.5 Bill but some owners in the league are worth 10% of that at around 500 mill. They literally cannot afford to do what Cleveland is doing, making the system unfairly skewed towards rich owners when the whole idea of the luxury tax was supposed to be that it made the league a level playing field. I get that the teams not in the tax are gonna cash out from Cleveland being over, but from a competitive standpoint, how can you defend it?

You can't. But like you said, it's what the league has moved to now. Pay up, or get the hell out of the way. If you're a fan of a team with a "poor" owner, sucks for you :lolTo be fair, the "poor" owners could double their investment (or even more) by selling shares to an ownership group with more $$$. Potentially beneficial to both current owners (cash out with an amazing return) and to fans (who would then have ownership who could be more likely to drop mega bucks to build and to maintain a title core).

Also, should be noted Gilbert was one of the majority owners who pushed for the repeater taxes and restriction of moves available to capped-out teams during the CBA negotiations out of spite for LBJ/Big 3/Heat. He helped usher in the rules that will cause him to pay so much in payroll & luxury tax.

Props to his commitment for not complaining about the costs and to keep pumping more money. He's keeping his promise to do whatever is necessary to field a title contender.

[SwishSquared]

I'm not mad, I'm jealous. Imagine if my Warriors had 30 MILLION more in salary AND played in the Eastern Conference... we would make a run at that Bulls 72 win record.Well, can't do anything about the state of the conferences. However, should be noted that the Dubs did cut, what, $11M in salary by trading David Lee (essentially) for Jason Thompson. Not saying that wasn't the right move, but a smart way of reducing a tax bill for a mostly lateral move.

Dubs also happened to build a great team with guys who were on below market deals (such as Curry's extension or Klay/Barnes/Draymond being on rookie contracts through a title run) and by hitting on multiple draft picks. Cavs built a title nucleus through trades and free agency mostly.

There's a real chance that Barnes gets close to max money next summer. Ezeli will hit RFA next summer if no extension deal is done. Curry almost surely will get a max starting near $30M in a couple seasons. Make no mistake though- Klay and Draymond could have gotten maxes as RFAs if they sought offer sheets (assuming Klay wouldn't have signed an extension).

[Real Men Wear Green]

Problem is, not all owners in the league have the money to pay insane luxury tax fines for years on end.The luxury tax is the owners' idea. They created this playing field so how can they complain about it's rules?

[Real Men Wear Green]

Props to his commitment for not complaining about the costs and to keep pumping more money. He's keeping his promise to do whatever is necessary to field a title contender.He's got LeBron James on his team. They're on National TV practically every game, have ESPN talking about them all day long, and are the talk of every bball messageboard. I don't know what their exact financial numbers were last year but I'd be shocked if they didn't turn a ton of profit.

[RedBlackAttack]

He's got LeBron James on his team. They're on National TV practically every game, have ESPN talking about them all day long, and are the talk of every bball messageboard. I don't know what their exact financial numbers were last year but I'd be shocked if they didn't turn a ton of profit.
Miami let Mike Miller walk rather than paying a higher luxury tax. That was a 100-percent financial decision, not a basketball decision.

They were getting as much or more exposure than this Cavs team. Not every owner is willing to pay the price that Gilbert currently is and will be down the line.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Miami let Mike Miller walk rather than paying a higher luxury tax. That was a 100-percent financial decision, not a basketball decision.

They were getting as much or more exposure than this Cavs team. Not every owner is willing to pay the price that Gilbert currently is and will be down the line.Teams will still make financial decisions of course. Cavs management believes Thompson is necessary for a Championship and/or they figure if they let him walk they upset LBJ. Either of those reasons have financial ramifications that make the overpaying of Thompson worth it. Miami figured Miller's presence didn't impact them in either of those ways.

[SwishSquared]

He's got LeBron James on his team. They're on National TV practically every game, have ESPN talking about them all day long, and are the talk of every bball messageboard. I don't know what their exact financial numbers were last year but I'd be shocked if they didn't turn a ton of profit.They likely do (and a healthy one at that) but it is the ownership's decision how much of the money generated from the team gets reinvested and how much they'll pocket for themselves. He at least hasn't shied away from re-investing capital for his goal.

It makes sense to us to do this but some owners get cheap once they start rolling in money.

[bigkingsfan]

It makes sense to us to do this but some owners get cheap once they start rolling in money.
That's because they don't have Lebron James.

[Real Men Wear Green]

They likely do (and a healthy one at that) but it is the ownership's decision how much of the money generated from the team gets reinvested and how much they'll pocket for themselves. He at least hasn't shied away from re-investing capital for his goal.

It makes sense to us to do this but some owners get cheap once they start rolling in money.
Two reasons why it makes sense financially for Gilbert to reinvest:

1. James is still on one-year deals. If James feels like Gilbert isn't doing everything he can to surround him with great talent then James may walk.

2. Championship teams generally make money in profitable sports. If James can lead them two a few rings they'll be pulling in money from all over the world.

Go cheap right now and James will start to think about walking for the sake of his legacy and then they may not even get support in Cleveland.

[Derka]

OP doesn't know what Bird rights are :facepalm

[SwishSquared]

That's because they don't have Lebron James.And as RBA pointed today, once you get cheap, you lose LBJ. Even after 4 straight title runs. Heat's last big player transactions when LBJ was still on the team were amnestying his confidant in Mike Miller, drafting a PG he tweeted about, and signing Beasley and Oden to vet min deals to shore up a depleted bench.

I know how much money you can make having LBJ on your team. We also all saw how he'll find a new roster if management stops making moves.

[SwishSquared]

Two reasons why it makes sense financially for Gilbert to reinvest:

1. James is still on one-year deals. If James feels like Gilbert isn't doing everything he can to surround him with great talent then James may walk.

2. Championship teams generally make money in profitable sports. If James can lead them two a few rings they'll be pulling in money from all over the world.

Go cheap right now and James will start to think about walking for the sake of his legacy and then they may not even get support in Cleveland.Never said Gilbert shouldn't/won't/didn't re-invest or why he'll start to get cheap. Arison got cheap, relatively speaking here, in Miami and James bailed.

If he doesn't keep reinvesting (and bringing in the right talent), James may very well seek greener pastures. Spending money on the right roster additions keeps LBJ engaged.

I'm not really disagreeing at all with you here (rather, I'm in agreement) but just stating that Gilbert is doing everything right to keep LeBron happy, which is what you have to do. He could start to scoff at luxury taxes if he wanted, but nothing suggests he will. Especially after he fought for the punitive penalties, he'll look really bad, especially in the next CBA negotiations, if he starts to close his wallet tighter.