Kobe without Gasol/Shaq vs. Jordan without Pippen

[Thesmallmamba]

Kobe

2005 - 34-48 miss playoffs

2006- 45-37 lose 4-3 in the 1st round

2007- 42-40 lose 4-1 in the 1st round

2015 - 21-61 miss playoffs

2016- ???



Jordan


1985 - 38-44 lose 1-3 in the 1st round

1986- 30-52 lose 0-3 in the 1st round

1987- 40-42 lose 0-3 in the 1st round

2002 - 37-45 miss playoffs

2003- 37-45 miss playoffs


FYI notice how Jordans record is below .500 every season without Pippen in his career. Forget winning playoff games, he apparently couldnt win regular season games also





So who are you taking?

[Straight_Ballin]

The guy that doesn't know how to lose once he's in the finals.

The GOAT, Jordan.

Kobe, while the GOAT of his own era, unfortunately didn't have that "I don't know how to lose in the finals" mentality, so Kobe is the runner up.

Both are worlds ahead of Bron however when it comes to knowing how to win in the finals.

[stalkerforlife]

The guy that doesn't know how to lose once he's in the finals.

The GOAT, Jordan.

Kobe, while the GOAT of his own era, unfortunately didn't have that "I don't know how to lose in the finals" mentality, so Kobe is the runner up.

Both are worlds ahead of Bron however when it comes to knowing how to win in the finals.

That backfire ether.

[JT123]

It's a tie. Kobe and Jordan are both AWFUL without their HOF sidekicks.

[SouBeachTalents]

The guy that doesn't know how to lose once he's in the finals.

The GOAT, Jordan.

Kobe, while the GOAT of his own era, unfortunately didn't have that "I don't know how to lose in the finals" mentality, so Kobe is the runner up.

Both are worlds ahead of Bron however when it comes to knowing how to win in the finals.

You are creepily obsessed with losing in the Finals. I don't think you've ever made a post not mentioning it, and I'm not exaggerating when I say that

[Showtime2001]

The guy that doesn't know how to lose once he's in the finals.

The GOAT, Jordan.

Kobe, while the GOAT of his own era, unfortunately didn't have that "I don't know how to lose in the finals" mentality, so Kobe is the runner up.

Both are worlds ahead of Bron however when it comes to knowing how to win in the finals.

http://i.imgur.com/jnIRkOZ.gif

[Thesmallmamba]

It's a tie. Kobe and Jordan are both AWFUL without their HOF sidekicks.

lol u mean their HOF 1st options?

[LoneyROY7]

It's a tie. Kobe and Jordan are both AWFUL without their HOF sidekicks.

Backfire. Shaq was the sidekick?

[RRR3]

Literally everyone in this thread besides Soubeach and Loney is on my ignore list.

The quality of this forum is so bad.

[Thesmallmamba]

Literally everyone in this thread besides Soubeach and Loney is on my ignore list.

The quality of this forum is so bad.

Who are you?

[JT123]

lol u mean their HOF 1st options?
:oldlol: Definitely in Kobe's case. MJ was without a doubt first option, but he clearly needed Pippen's intellect and mental toughness to teach him how to win.

[Thesmallmamba]

:oldlol: Definitely in Kobe's case. MJ was without a doubt first option, but he clearly needed Pippen's intellect and mental toughness to teach him how to win.

Even that I'm not too sure about :lol

1st option as in he chucked the most shots? sure, but that chucking cost them games, like Jordans infamous 5/19 (not quite a 6/24 but close enough)


In terms of overall dominance, Pippen was clearly above Jordan however

[SouBeachTalents]

Even that I'm not too sure about :lol

1st option as in he chucked the most shots? sure, but that chucking cost them games, like Jordans infamous 5/19 (not quite a 6/24 but close enough)


In terms of overall dominance, Pippen was clearly above Jordan however

MVP/Finals MVP count says otherwise

[Thesmallmamba]

MVP/Finals MVP count says otherwise

Kobe won FMVP in 2009/2010 even though we all knew Gasol was better :confusedshrug:


And Curry won MVP but the playoffs showed us he wasnt the most dominant player on his team :confusedshrug:

[Straight_Ballin]

:oldlol: Definitely in Kobe's case. MJ was without a doubt first option, but he clearly needed Pippen's intellect and mental toughness to teach him how to win.

:lol :lol :lol :lol
http://media.giphy.com/media/l41lVSySRf15JgBkA/giphy.gif

[GrapeApe]

Even that I'm not too sure about :lol

1st option as in he chucked the most shots? sure, but that chucking cost them games, like Jordans infamous 5/19 (not quite a 6/24 but close enough)


In terms of overall dominance, Pippen was clearly above Jordan however

Strange how Jordan is the one with 5 MVP's, 10 scoring titles, a DPOY, and 6 FMVP's. Weird stuff indeed.

[JT123]

:lol :lol :lol :lol
http://media.giphy.com/media/l41lVSySRf15JgBkA/giphy.gif
It's true bruh. MJ is 1-9 without the PMSS (Pippen mental support system)

[Thesmallmamba]

It's true bruh. MJ is 1-9 without the PMSS (Pippen mental support system)


:oldlol: :cheers:

[LBJFTW]

PMSS

How original. :lol

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=387567

[Bless Mathews]

Kobe

2005 - 34-48 miss playoffs

2006- 45-37 lose 4-3 in the 1st round

2007- 42-40 lose 4-1 in the 1st round

2015 - 21-61 miss playoffs

2016- ???



Jordan


1985 - 38-44 lose 1-3 in the 1st round

1986- 30-52 lose 0-3 in the 1st round

1987- 40-42 lose 0-3 in the 1st round

2002 - 37-45 miss playoffs

2003- 37 - 45 miss playoffs


FYI notice how Jordans record is below .500 every season wthout Pippen in his career. Forget winning playoff games, he apparently couldnt win regular season games also





So who are you taking?

A rookie to third year player getting his team to playoffs in a good eastern conference vs a PEAK supposed goat ???

Ok idiot shit for brains.

And to even put mj wizard stats proves how much of a complete clown fucc you are.

[Mr. Jabbar]

I had GREAT faith in OP. GREAT FAITH. I'm very disappointed how he got body bagged 1st reply. NOT A GOOD LOOK.

[sekachu]

[QUOTE=Thesmallmamba]Kobe

2005 - 34-48 miss playoffs

2006- 45-37 lose 4-3 in the 1st round

2007- 42-40 lose 4-1 in the 1st round

2015 - 21-61 miss playoffs

2016- ???



Jordan


1985 - 38-44 lose 1-3 in the 1st round

1986- 30-52 lose 0-3 in the 1st round

1987- 40-42 lose 0-3 in the 1st round

2002 - 37-45 miss playoffs

2003- 37 - 45 miss playoffs


FYI notice how Jordans record is below .500 every season wthout Pippen in his career. Forget winning playoff games, he apparently couldnt win regular season games also


So you expect MJ is Goat in his first 3 years in nba?
You ignored the fact that MJ broken his foot missing 64 games in his second year and played against the champion boston in the first round?
Do you know Boston was a team that make 4 consecutive final from 1984-1987?
Do you even know how bad was wizard before 39 MJ joined them?
Thank you

[riseagainst]

The guy that doesn't know how to lose once he's in the finals.

The GOAT, Jordan.

Kobe, while the GOAT of his own era, unfortunately didn't have that "I don't know how to lose in the finals" mentality, so Kobe is the runner up.

Both are worlds ahead of Bron however when it comes to knowing how to win in the finals.


:lol
:roll:

/ether
/thread

:lol

[ArbitraryWater]

It's true bruh. MJ is 1-9 without the PMSS (Pippen mental support system)

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[kennethgriffin]

why do people ask "what did kobe do without gasol"


the only guys who won with lower ranked all time 2nd options were

hakeem olajuwon
rick barry
bill walton
dennis johnson
bob pettit
dirk nowitzki



gasol is a barely adequate sidekick in order to compete for a title

[ShawkFactory]

why do people ask "what did kobe do without gasol"


the only guys who won with lower ranked all time 2nd options were

hakeem olajuwon
rick barry
bill walton
dennis johnson
bob pettit
dirk nowitzki



gasol is a barely adequate sidekick in order to compete for a title
Gasol was far better than anyone besides Duncan on the 03 Spurs.

[feyki]

It's a tie. Kobe and Jordan are both AWFUL without their HOF sidekicks.

And avatar is Shaq :roll:

[West-Side]

Kobe

2005 - 34-48 miss playoffs Yeah because he got injured and missed like 16 games. Odom got hurt too that year, their record wasn't half bad when everyone were healthy.

2006- 45-37 lose 4-3 in the 1st round

2007- 42-40 lose 4-1 in the 1st round

2015 - 21-61 miss playoffs :roll: Really? The man came back from an injury that Jordan never came close to suffering and played in like 35 games.

2016- ???



Jordan


1985 - 38-44 lose 1-3 in the 1st round

1986- 30-52 lose 0-3 in the 1st round

1987- 40-42 lose 0-3 in the 1st round

2002 - 37-45 miss playoffs

2003- 37-45 miss playoffs


FYI notice how Jordans record is below .500 every season without Pippen in his career. Forget winning playoff games, he apparently couldnt win regular season games also





So who are you taking?


Just a perfect example of how every superstar in this league needs help, even the 2 greatest SGs of all-time.

[Doranku]

why do people ask "what did kobe do without gasol"


the only guys who won with lower ranked all time 2nd options were

hakeem olajuwon
rick barry
bill walton
dennis johnson
bob pettit
dirk nowitzki



gasol is a barely adequate sidekick in order to compete for a title

It's honestly hilarious how people use the "well Kobe did nothing without Shaq/Gasol" card.

Pretty sure if you took the two best teammates away from any all-time great, they wouldn't have done shit either. :oldlol:

[kennethgriffin]

Gasol was far better than anyone besides Duncan on the 03 Spurs.


parker averaged 16 and 5

which is basically his career average


just because he wasnt an established hall of famer YET doesnt take away the talent he possessed at a young age


gasol was slightly better at the time. but allot of what gasol did was based off kobes ability to draw double teams in their pick and rolls together


allot of parkers game is initiated by parker. not the attention defenses give to duncan



parker is self reliant. gasol isnt.

[ShawkFactory]

parker averaged 16 and 5

which is basically his career average


just because he wasnt an established hall of famer YET doesnt take away the talent he possessed at a young age


gasol was slightly better at the time. but allot of what gasol did was based off kobes ability to draw double teams in their pick and rolls together


allot of parkers game is initiated by parker. not the attention defenses give to duncan



parker is self reliant. gasol isnt.
Parker was 20 years old, and averaged 15 and 4 in the playoffs.

Gasol in 09 and 10 was obviously a superior player to Parker in 2003.

[kennethgriffin]

Parker was 20 years old, and averaged 15 and 4 in the playoffs.

Gasol in 09 and 10 was obviously a superior player to Parker in 2003.


so when parker does it.. he sucks...


but when duncan averages 15 points in the playoffs. hes a vital piece

[DonDadda59]

Wade without LeBron>

https://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/filepicker%2F9jx3HfPRbCrB4XEIR3lg_wade_champion.jp g

:bowdown:

[Smoke117]

so when parker does it.. he sucks...


but when duncan averages 15 points in the playoffs. hes a vital piece

Because Tony Parker is even close to the defensive player Tim Duncan is. Here learn a new word:

context
[kon-tekst]
Spell Syllables
Synonyms Examples Word Origin
noun

- the set of circumstances or facts that surround a particular event, situation, etc.

[kennethgriffin]

Because Tony Parker is even close to the defensive player Tim Duncan is. Here learn a new word:

context
[kon-tekst]
Spell Syllables
Synonyms Examples Word Origin
noun

- the set of circumstances or facts that surround a particular event, situation, etc.


and tim duncan isnt even close to the playmaker, ball handler tony parker is.. here learn a new word:

[B]hyp

[ShawkFactory]

so when parker does it.. he sucks...


but when duncan averages 15 points in the playoffs. hes a vital piece
Never said he sucked.

Duncan averaged more APG in the playoff run than Parker did. He hardly ran the offense.

Parker also shot terribly and was not a good decision-maker at that time.

Popovich would play Speedy Claxton in crucial moments.

Not the same as Duncan from 2014. And that wasn't even the point in the first place.

[kennethgriffin]

Never said he sucked.

Duncan averaged more APG in the playoff run than Parker did. He hardly ran the offense.

Parker also shot terribly and was not a good decision-maker at that time.

Popovich would play Speedy Claxton in crucial moments.

Not the same as Duncan from 2014. And that wasn't even the point in the first place.


duncan hardly ran the defense in 2014

the spurs werent a defensive minded team. they just had an overpowering offense top to bottom

duncan might get a block or 2 some games. but hes not matching up with any top scorers


the big man position is dead

[Hey Yo]

[QUOTE=kennethgriffin]and tim duncan isnt even close to the playmaker, ball handler tony parker is.. here learn a new word:

hyp

[Beastmode88]

Off Topic: Lebron Family rank your top 5 SG in NBA history please.

[Thesmallmamba]

Off Topic: Lebron Family rank your top 5 SG in NBA history please.


I'm a brand new poster on this site, not an official LeBron Family member yet, but i'll try:



1) Jerry West

2) Clyde Drexler

3) John Havlicek

4) George "Iceman" Gervin

5) James Harden



HM: Wade, Kobe, Jordan

[kennethgriffin]

:oldlol:

No offense Griff but, if you think it's a new word to him you might want to include the definition.

The bolded above isn't the definition of Hypocrite

yes it is


you're thinking of the definition of hypocrisy


a hypocrite isnt the definition of hypocrisy. they just practice hypocrisy


:lol

[Beastmode88]

I'm a brand new poster on this site, not an official LeBron Family member yet, but i'll try:



1) Jerry West

2) Clyde Drexler

3) John Havlicek

4) George "Iceman" Gervin

5) James Harden



HM: Wade, Kobe, Jordan

Lol... ok how would u rank Wade, Kobe and Jordan then.

[Thesmallmamba]

Lol... ok how would u rank Wade, Kobe and Jordan then.

I have great respect for Jordan (even though I'm a Kobe fan) so he goes 1st amongst them

then Kobe


...

..

Then Wade

[SouBeachTalents]

Gasol was a damn good sidekick, arguably the best championship second option since 3peat Kobe

[ArbitraryWater]

yes it is


you're thinking of the definition of hypocrisy


a hypocrite isnt the definition of hypocrisy. they just practice hypocrisy


:lol

oh wow

[Beastmode88]

So you would 5 people with collectively 2 FMVP 10 championships over 3 players with 9 FMVP 14 championships? Interesting.

[G0ATbe]

Why do people always desperately bring up Gasol as if hes even notable to kobe's runs. He's a bum compared to Pippen:lol .

In reality:

Kobe without Shaq: 2 championships


MJ without Pippen: automatic 1st round exit ever year:facepalm
Pippen without MJ: Damn near won a championship with the same team:facepalm

[kennethgriffin]

Gasol was a damn good sidekick, arguably the best championship second option since 3peat Kobe



nobody will ever match the help shaq had

all time 2nd leading scorers on championship teams

Playoffs:

2001 Kobe Bryant 29.4
2002 Kobe Bryant 26.6
1986 Kevin Mchale 24.9
1958 Bob Pettit 24.2
1963 Sam Jones 23.8
1966 John Havlicek 23.6
1972 Jerry West 22.9
2012 Dwyane Wade 22.8
1987 Magic Johnson 21.8
1967 Wilt Chamberlain 21.7
1991 Scottie Pippen 21.6
1985 James Worthy 21.5
1978 Bob Dandridge 21.2
2000 Kobe Bryant 21.1
1957 Bill Sharman 21.1
1976 Dave Cowens 21.0
1979 Dennis Johnson 20.9
2005 Manu Ginobili 20.8
2007 Tony Parker 20.8
1962 Tom Heinsohn 20.7
1968 Sam Jones 20.5
1995 Clyde Drexler 20.5
1974 Dave Cowens 20.5
1982 Kareem Abdul Jabbar 20.4
1980 Jamaal Wilkes 20.3
1956 Neil Johnston 20.3
1993 Scottie Pippen 20.1
1959 Bill Sharman 20.1
2006 Shaquille O'neal 20.0
1988 Magic Johnson 19.9
2010 Pau Gasol 19.6
1992 Scottie Pippen 19.5
1997 Scottie Pippen 19.2
1971 Bob Dandridge 19.2
1961 Bill Russell 19.1
2008 Kevin Garnett 18.8
1983 Andrew Tony 18.8
2015 Klay Thompson 18.6
1965 John Havlicek 18.5
1960 Bill Russell 18.5
2009 Pau Gasol 18.3
1977 Bill Walton 18.2
1990 Joe Dumars 18.2
1989 Joe Dumars 17.6
2011 Jason Terry 17.5
1964 Tom Heinsohn 17.4
1970 Dick Barnett 16.9
1996 Scottie Pippen 16.9
1998 Scottie Pippen 16.8
1969 Sam Jones 16.8
1984 Dennis Johnson 16.6
2004 Chauncey Billups 16.4
2014 Tim Duncan 16.3
1981 Cedric Maxwell 16.1
1973 Earl Monroe 16.1
1952 Jim Pollard 16.1
2013 Dwyane Wade 15.9
1951 Bob Davies 15.9
1999 David Robinson 15.6
1975 Jamaal Wilkes 15.0
2003 Tony Parker 14.7
1953 Jim Pollard 14.3
1994 Vernon Maxwell 13.8
1955 Red Kerr 13.8
1950 Vern Mikkelsen 13.0
1954 Jim Pollard 12.3




Finals:

2002 Kobe Bryant 26.8
2001 Kobe bryant 24.6
1958 Bob Pettit 24.0 ( Cliff Hagan 25.3, playoffs and finals leader )
1986 Larry Bird 24.0 ( Mchale 25.8ppg )
1985 James Worthy 23.7
1971 Oscar Robertson 23.5
1963 Tom Heinsohn 23.3 ( Jones 24.6 )
1966 Sam Jones 22.9
1974 Dave Cowens 22.7
1979 Dennis Johnson 22.6 ( Gus Williams 29.0ppg finals, playoffs leader too..wtf? )
2012 Dwyane Wade 22.6
1959 Tie* Sharman/Ramsay 22.5 ( heinsohn 24.2 )
1962 Sam Jones 22.1 ( russell 22.8 )
1983 Andrew Tony 22.0 ( Julius Erving 3rd option in playoffs and finals )
1957 Bill Sharman 21.8 ( Heinsohn 24.0 )
1987 Kareem Abdul Jabbar 21.7
1980 Magic Johnson 21.5
1995 Clyde Drexler 21.5
1989 Isiah Thomas 21.3
1993 Scottie Pippen 21.2
1988 Magic Johnson 21.1
1968 Bailey Howell 21.0
2004 Chauncey Billups 21.0 (Rip playoff and finals leader. robbed )
1992 Scottie Pippen 20.8
1991 Scottie Pippen 20.8
1990 Joe Dumars 20.6
1976 Dave Cowens 20.5
1978 Bob Dandridge 20.4
2008 Ray Allen 20.3
1997 Scottie Pippen 20.0
1972 Jerry West 19.8
2013 Dwyane Wade 19.6
2005 Manu Ginobili 18.7
1969 Sam Jones 18.7
1970 Dick Barnett 18.6
2010 Pau Gasol 18.6
2009 Pau Gasol 18.6
1977 Bill Walton 18.5
1960 Frank Ramsay 18.4 ( Heinsohn 22.4 )
1964 John Havlicek 18.4
2007 Tim Duncan 18.3
1965 John Havlicek 18.2
2011 Jason Terry 18.0
1982 Kareem Abdul Jabbar 18.0
2014 Kawhi Leonard 17.8
1967 Wilt Chamberlain 17.7 ( Hal Greer 26.0ppg. would have been mvp )
1961 Bill Russell 17.6 ( heinsohn 22.0 )
1984 Dennis Johnson 17.6
1951 Bob Davies 17.0
1999 David Robinson 16.6
1973 Willis Reed 16.4
1952 Jim Pollard 16.4
2015 Andre Iguodala 16.3
1998 Scottie Pippen 15.7
1996 Scottie Pippen 15.7
2000 Kobe Bryant 15.6 ( *19.0 minus the 2 point injury game )
1981 Larry Bird 15.3 ( ....................wtf? )
1953 Jim Pollard 14.4
2003 Tony Parker 14.0
2006 Antoine Walker 13.8 ( to my surprise Shaq only averaged 13.7 )
1956 Neil Johnston 13.6 ( Arizin 27.6 )
1950 Jim Pollard 13.6 ( mikan 32.1 )
1994 Vernon Maxwell 13.4
1955 Kerr 12.2 ( schayes 19.0 )
1975 Jamaal Wilkes 11.5
1954 Pollard 10.8 ( Mikan 18.1 )

[SouBeachTalents]

nobody will ever match the help shaq had

all time 2nd leading scorers on championship teams

Playoffs:

2001 Kobe Bryant 29.4
2002 Kobe Bryant 26.6
1986 Kevin Mchale 24.9
1958 Bob Pettit 24.2
1963 Sam Jones 23.8
1966 John Havlicek 23.6
1972 Jerry West 22.9
2012 Dwyane Wade 22.8
1987 Magic Johnson 21.8
1967 Wilt Chamberlain 21.7
1991 Scottie Pippen 21.6
1985 James Worthy 21.5
1978 Bob Dandridge 21.2
2000 Kobe Bryant 21.1
1957 Bill Sharman 21.1
1976 Dave Cowens 21.0
1979 Dennis Johnson 20.9
2005 Manu Ginobili 20.8
2007 Tony Parker 20.8
1962 Tom Heinsohn 20.7
1968 Sam Jones 20.5
1995 Clyde Drexler 20.5
1974 Dave Cowens 20.5
1982 Kareem Abdul Jabbar 20.4
1980 Jamaal Wilkes 20.3
1956 Neil Johnston 20.3
1993 Scottie Pippen 20.1
1959 Bill Sharman 20.1
2006 Shaquille O'neal 20.0
1988 Magic Johnson 19.9
2010 Pau Gasol 19.6
1992 Scottie Pippen 19.5
1997 Scottie Pippen 19.2
1971 Bob Dandridge 19.2
1961 Bill Russell 19.1
2008 Kevin Garnett 18.8
1983 Andrew Tony 18.8
2015 Klay Thompson 18.6
1965 John Havlicek 18.5
1960 Bill Russell 18.5
2009 Pau Gasol 18.3
1977 Bill Walton 18.2
1990 Joe Dumars 18.2
1989 Joe Dumars 17.6
2011 Jason Terry 17.5
1964 Tom Heinsohn 17.4
1970 Dick Barnett 16.9
1996 Scottie Pippen 16.9
1998 Scottie Pippen 16.8
1969 Sam Jones 16.8
1984 Dennis Johnson 16.6
2004 Chauncey Billups 16.4
2014 Tim Duncan 16.3
1981 Cedric Maxwell 16.1
1973 Earl Monroe 16.1
1952 Jim Pollard 16.1
2013 Dwyane Wade 15.9
1951 Bob Davies 15.9
1999 David Robinson 15.6
1975 Jamaal Wilkes 15.0
2003 Tony Parker 14.7
1953 Jim Pollard 14.3
1994 Vernon Maxwell 13.8
1955 Red Kerr 13.8
1950 Vern Mikkelsen 13.0
1954 Jim Pollard 12.3




Finals:

2002 Kobe Bryant 26.8
2001 Kobe bryant 24.6
1958 Bob Pettit 24.0 ( Cliff Hagan 25.3, playoffs and finals leader )
1986 Larry Bird 24.0 ( Mchale 25.8ppg )
1985 James Worthy 23.7
1971 Oscar Robertson 23.5
1963 Tom Heinsohn 23.3 ( Jones 24.6 )
1966 Sam Jones 22.9
1974 Dave Cowens 22.7
1979 Dennis Johnson 22.6 ( Gus Williams 29.0ppg finals, playoffs leader too..wtf? )
2012 Dwyane Wade 22.6
1959 Tie* Sharman/Ramsay 22.5 ( heinsohn 24.2 )
1962 Sam Jones 22.1 ( russell 22.8 )
1983 Andrew Tony 22.0 ( Julius Erving 3rd option in playoffs and finals )
1957 Bill Sharman 21.8 ( Heinsohn 24.0 )
1987 Kareem Abdul Jabbar 21.7
1980 Magic Johnson 21.5
1995 Clyde Drexler 21.5
1989 Isiah Thomas 21.3
1993 Scottie Pippen 21.2
1988 Magic Johnson 21.1
1968 Bailey Howell 21.0
2004 Chauncey Billups 21.0 (Rip playoff and finals leader. robbed )
1992 Scottie Pippen 20.8
1991 Scottie Pippen 20.8
1990 Joe Dumars 20.6
1976 Dave Cowens 20.5
1978 Bob Dandridge 20.4
2008 Ray Allen 20.3
1997 Scottie Pippen 20.0
1972 Jerry West 19.8
2013 Dwyane Wade 19.6
2005 Manu Ginobili 18.7
1969 Sam Jones 18.7
1970 Dick Barnett 18.6
2010 Pau Gasol 18.6
2009 Pau Gasol 18.6
1977 Bill Walton 18.5
1960 Frank Ramsay 18.4 ( Heinsohn 22.4 )
1964 John Havlicek 18.4
2007 Tim Duncan 18.3
1965 John Havlicek 18.2
2011 Jason Terry 18.0
1982 Kareem Abdul Jabbar 18.0
2014 Kawhi Leonard 17.8
1967 Wilt Chamberlain 17.7 ( Hal Greer 26.0ppg. would have been mvp )
1961 Bill Russell 17.6 ( heinsohn 22.0 )
1984 Dennis Johnson 17.6
1951 Bob Davies 17.0
1999 David Robinson 16.6
1973 Willis Reed 16.4
1952 Jim Pollard 16.4
2015 Andre Iguodala 16.3
1998 Scottie Pippen 15.7
1996 Scottie Pippen 15.7
2000 Kobe Bryant 15.6 ( *19.0 minus the 2 point injury game )
1981 Larry Bird 15.3 ( ....................wtf? )
1953 Jim Pollard 14.4
2003 Tony Parker 14.0
2006 Antoine Walker 13.8 ( to my surprise Shaq only averaged 13.7 )
1956 Neil Johnston 13.6 ( Arizin 27.6 )
1950 Jim Pollard 13.6 ( mikan 32.1 )
1994 Vernon Maxwell 13.4
1955 Kerr 12.2 ( schayes 19.0 )
1975 Jamaal Wilkes 11.5
1954 Pollard 10.8 ( Mikan 18.1 )

Kobe is GOAT second option. He was honestly just as good as Shaq during their '01 WC playoff run.

But since then Gasol was easily one of, if not the best championship second option

[Thesmallmamba]

Kobe is GOAT second option. He was honestly just as good as Shaq during their '01 WC playoff run.

But since then Gasol was easily one of, if not the best championship second option


wtf :biggums: :biggums:


2000-2002 Finals stats

Shaq 36/15 on 57%

Kobe 22/5 on 42%



Not really GOAT 2nd option

[SouBeachTalents]

wtf :biggums: :biggums:


2000-2002 Finals stats

Shaq 36/15 on 57%

Kobe 22/5 on 42%



Not really GOAT 2nd option

'01 & '02 Kobe was

[Thesmallmamba]

'01 & '02 Kobe was

But Shaq was the GOAT peak (or at least close)

So irrelevant on how good Kobe was the differential between the 1st and 2nd option was similar to many championship teams.


You still cant discredit how nuch better Shaq was than Kobe, regardless of Kobe's individual production

[kennethgriffin]

But Shaq was the GOAT peak (or at least close)

So irrelevant on how good Kobe was the differential between the 1st and 2nd option was similar to many championship teams.


You still cant discredit how nuch better Shaq was than Kobe, regardless of Kobe's individual production

if 01 shaq was the goat peak

and kobe had more winshares


then kobe had an even goat'r peak that goat peak shaq



http://dumbpuzzles.com/44/jigsawimage.jpg

[Smoke117]

[QUOTE=kennethgriffin]and tim duncan isnt even close to the playmaker, ball handler tony parker is.. here learn a new word:

[B]hyp

[ShawkFactory]

Why do people always desperately bring up Gasol as if hes even notable to kobe's runs. He's a bum compared to Pippen:lol .

In reality:

Kobe without Shaq: 2 championships


MJ without Pippen: automatic 1st round exit ever year:facepalm
Pippen without MJ: Damn near won a championship with the same team:facepalm
Do you know what "damn near" means?

[ShawkFactory]

if 01 shaq was the goat peak

and kobe had more winshares


then kobe had an even goat'r peak that goat peak shaq



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Then Pau was the FMVP in 2010.

Which way will you choose to play it my son?