Trade Assets

[el gringos]

Phil inherited a team with no Assets and now he has some

Lopez has good value
Afflalo might ? Have value?

Carmelo and porzingis don't count because of being untouchable
Grant would have to take huge value to move

Isn't there always a chance dwill or Galloway build value if playing well? Oquinn sure should.

Some of that positive trade value could be enough to move Calderon and perhaps try the salary cap space idea again.

Lopez, Calderon, aflallo
For
Joe Johnson, 2nds


Grant, afflalo, Calderon
For
Holiday, Ryan Anderson


Kobe , clarkson, young
For
Lopez, afflalo, Calderon

[bluechox2]

i like bargnani and jason smith...phil gave them great deals
bringing back JR smith like you said phil would do was genius...
you were spot on on josh smith dieing to snag a starting spot next to melo

[smoovegittar]

They're not trading anyone.

(wants to trade Grant and Lopez for guys like Johnson and Holiday. CERTAIN this clown is a troll now.)
I like you better when you're sleeping.

[el gringos]

I think the Lopez signing is a good one and that the pick/trade for Grant was a great one. I don't want to trade those guys but was trying to point out that the team now has tradable assets when before it didn't.


How could the get cap space and then sign a superstar be out the window now? Because of Lopez and afflalo?


Everybody wants Calderon moved but don't want to add to him?


Is this roster really what you want for the next 2-3 seasons? There's enough cap space to do what next year? Bring back d will and Galloway? Is that really enough

Calderon- no arguments right?
Afflalo- will opt in and you'll wish he wasn't taking up cap space next year
D will- will opt out and Knicks get nothing from him moving forward or use all the space to bring him back.

2 years from now there may only be a handful of current Knicks. The way I see it is that your core is Carmelo, porzingis, grant, o'quinn (because of his contract), Lopez, and then prob Galloway if re sign and Williams

Is Lopez 13 mill per? Yes. Would you rather have Lopez, Calderon, and afflalo or 28 million in cap space?

That's the real premise here. Calderon and afflalo have to go- how do you do it?

[el gringos]

They're not trading anyone.

(wants to trade Grant and Lopez for guys like Johnson and Holiday. CERTAIN this clown is a troll now.)
I like you better when you're sleeping.
Wait you wouldn't trade grant and Lopez for jrue holiday and joe Johnson? (Never mind the fact that I put a ton of value in the joe Johnson deal for getting rid of Calderon and afflalo)

[el gringos]

i like bargnani and jason smith...phil gave them great deals
bringing back JR smith like you said phil would do was genius...
you were spot on on josh smith dieing to snag a starting spot next to melo
Josh smith is a much better player than d Williams and would have been half the price

Jr smith is a much better player than afflalo at less money


Bargnani's ability to get on the court was something I didn't predict and can't justify. Phil decided that his presence was such a negative or that he would get enough good will from the fans by scapegoating him. For a min contract (unless his attitude really is that bad) it was stupid not to bring him back to try to get something out of him. It would've been hedging that bet on the draft pick. My guess is that they wanted to keep moving away from previous regime choices.

[smoovegittar]

Wait you wouldn't trade grant and Lopez for jrue holiday and joe Johnson? (Never mind the fact that I put a ton of value in the joe Johnson deal for getting rid of Calderon and afflalo)

Joe Johnson is washed up. Grant has a ton of upside. Robin Lopez has been great for us - we wouldn't have a win yet without him.

We finally have some promise with this group of players, and YOUTH. This is not a "win now" team, however badly you may feel about Carmelo being traded or leaving. The Melo/Stat/Chandler era is long over.

Jackson is about building a winning mentality. He values this over a championship won by a group of players whose better years are behind them. And I believe most true fans of NY want this as well. I know I do.

[Draz]

I'm fine with the youth players we have.. They have crazy potential. Makes me happy that they're playing the way they look like they are, competitive. Give it 20-30 games in the season and they'll really start to mesh. Add some better players next year, this team can really be deadly.

[el gringos]

Calderon for Mario Chalmers and birdman

[el gringos]

Attaching no value to Calderon

Could you get phoenix's last Morris brother? Brandon Jennings?

It seems like there could be a team that would like to save some money but would give 9 or so mill expirer for 2-3 mill off luxury tax bill now

[smoovegittar]

Calderon for Mario Chalmers and birdman


You got a deal right there. :applause:

[Draz]

I never understood the purpose of mocking up trades? No ones looking into this shit but us

[el gringos]

I never understood the purpose of mocking up trades? No ones looking into this shit but us
I just like to know if fans think a trade is good value to which team and if they think they'd be good for the Knicks. Just a curiosity thing. What is your purpose to posting?

[knickscity]

I dont think the Knicks make any trades other than moving Calderon. I'd certainly do that calderon for chalmers and bird idea.

The others have no shot at happening.

[smoovegittar]

I'm back on that feeling that Melo should be traded. More than ever, his style of play does not suit this team, and they've shown the ability to get by without him. Wonder what PJ has up his sleeve.

[Real14]

Calderon for Mario Chalmers and birdman

We can do that?:biggums:

[el gringos]

We can do that?:biggums:
Guess not. But they were trying to dump salary. Somebody else will too.


Lavine, bjelica, pekovic,
For
Calderon, saraphin, afflalo, 2 1sts

[knickscity]

Guess not. But they were trying to dump salary. Somebody else will too.


Lavine, bjelica, pekovic,
For
Calderon, saraphin, afflalo, 2 1sts
We arent trading picks anymore.:lol

[el gringos]

We arent trading picks anymore.:lol
You're prob right, but it shouldn't be a rock solid rule. There's still the need to improve this team and put something in place that a free agent would want to sign.


I can't believe so many here were so against improving the team through trades because the free agency was going to be the answer. Then you get robin Lopez and afflalo and now that's enough?



The point I was trying to make wasn't necessarily that I think there will for sure be trades because maybe there isn't. But it is impressive to go from having zero trade assets to quite a few.

It used to be about getting a big 2 or 3 and building role players around. It still should. Carmelo and porzingis are in place. Nobody else should be untradable. Of course I want to keep Grant and Galloway. And it would be nice to still have Lopez and afflalo, but all of those guys are replaceable. Esp the afflalo, d will, saraphin parts- if you could get a long term piece for those guys you have to take it.


Would you trade the 2 firsts and a guard + Lopez and afflalo for cousins?


I just think bjelica and Lavine would be worth future picks. People complain and think they're wrong but the wolves are imo doing the right thing for Lavines development by playing him at pg. that's where his highest ceiling is. As a triangle pg it would be even higher. Bjelica would be the perfect pf if porzingis future is at Center. Lopez just seems like a guy that you hope isn't still your starting center in 3-4 years I guess unless they keep porzingis at 4.

[el gringos]

Lopez- 13
Afflalo- 8
Williams- 4
Saraphin - 3

Sasha/Thomas/Amundsen throw ins

Cleanthony, maybe Galloway or grant if you had too.



I honestly believe some combination of any to all of those pieces and you could add a top3 piece type player. And If not atleast get expirers back to try free agent again now that you have Carmelo AND KP in place.

[el gringos]

Nets, lakers, philly. There's a trade in there with all of them. And they're all garbage. Somebody will deal


Philly - go get tony wroten from them somehow. They won't want him to come back and start winning them games.


Lakers- get clarkson. He is a triangle pg that lakers may not want to max out and give up most of the cap they get back from Kobe


Brooklyn- get the lopez's to demand playing together either way

[el gringos]

This team needs Ryan Anderson. Whichever of their 3 guards they have could also be a great fit. I love jrue holiday, but tyreke or even Eric Gordon would be an upgrade to the knicks backcourt.

What is a trade for Anderson and a guard that they might like. Can't imagine they'd want Lopez unless they see him as a huge upgrade over Asik. Then Asik prob has to come back.


I would love to see Anderson and Gordon because then the Knicks would hAve a better shot to win this year and would have 40 mill or so capspace

[el gringos]

Lavine would be such a perfect guard for this team moving forward. Kp's age and what the team needs now


I would even swap Lopez and pekovic for that

[el gringos]

Remember when you said Robin Lopez and afflalo were un tradable pieces.


Nobody will call you out for dumb thoughts.



You want to watch Afflalo shoot more or try to get something for him? Told you

[smoovegittar]

*talking to himself*

[el gringos]

Kings will make moves. Maybe it's just fire Karl. Very small chance it's trade cousins.

If they were going to trade cousins would you give up future 1sts for him?



Here's the real question. What if they just want to get rid of Rudy gay? Afflalo and Calderon for gay?



I want Afflalo traded for value. Can't stand watching him try to be a primary option. Not sure if he'd be willing to be a role player even if the Knicks had enough talent to require him to. If Afflalo could get rid of Calderon I'd do it. I wouldn't even mind if Lance Thomas was the starting 2. Atleast he's know he was a role player.


If Thomas at 2 could happen how much greater would Rudy gay be. Carmelo/gay/Thomas/dwill would be a pretty sweet 2,3, part time 4 rotation.