The Last of Us is the best game ever made

[Heavincent]

This video perfectly explains why the game is so great.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKzVwbs-lsg

Only thing I disagree with him about is listen mode...the game is better when you turn it off.

1. TLOU
2. Red Dead Redemption
3. Metal Gear Solid V
4. Gears of War
5. Metal Gear Solid 3
6. Metal Gear Solid 2
7. Splinter Cell Chaos Theory
8. The Witcher 3
9. Mass Effect 2
10. Crash Bandicoot 3 (for childhood memories, and it's still fun to play)

I know there's a lot of modern games there, but I've been gaming since the late 90's. The harsh reality is that most games from the PS1 era aged like milk. Only a few platformers like Crash and Spyro have stood the test of time.

Embarrassingly, I've never played Resident Evil 4. I know, it's like being that guy who hasn't seen Pulp Fiction. Also, I've never been a Nintendo guy.

[GIF REACTION]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah.

No Halo?

no GTA?

righto

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Wow that's a shit list. How can you leave off all the older classics from pc and nintendo?

[macmac]

This video perfectly explains why the game is so great.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKzVwbs-lsg

Only thing I disagree with him about is listen mode...the game is better when you turn it off.

Top 10 GOAT

1. TLOU
2. Red Dead Redemption
3. Metal Gear Solid V
4. Gears of War
5. Metal Gear Solid 3
6. Metal Gear Solid 2
7. Splinter Cell Chaos Theory
8. The Witcher 3
9. Mass Effect 2
10. Crash Bandicoot 3 (for childhood memories, and it's still fun to play)

I know there's a lot of modern games there, but I've been gaming since the late 90's. The harsh reality is that most games from the PS1 era aged like milk. Only a few platformers like Crash and Spyro have stood the test of time.

Embarrassingly, I've never played Resident Evil 4. I know, it's like being that guy who hasn't seen Pulp Fiction. Also, I've never been a Nintendo guy.

You must be 15

[GIF REACTION]

Notice how many stealth games are there

Most overrated genre

They get marked up simply for being in that genre

The opposite is said for FPS

Back in the mid 2000's, Halo was dominating FPS, while so called sony "Halo killers" were popping up everywhere... It has turned to today where the FPS genre is just absolutely over-saturated with titles, all essentially ripping off earlier games.

[Shade8780]

MGS V is not a top 3 game of all time, let alone top 3 in its own series :oldlol:

[West-Side]

I can't rank them in order, so I'll just name my top 10.

Uncharted 2
Red Dead Redemption
San Andreas
GoldenEye 007
The Last Of Us
Super Mario 3
Mario Kart Racing
Uncharted 3
Max Payne
Baldur Gate's II


God of War, Halo: Combat Evolved, Arkham Asylum, MGS 2, Phantom Pain, Witcher 3, GTA V, Vice City, Arkham City, Mass Effect 2, Max Payne 3, Company of Heroes, and Gran Turismo.

The first five are set in stone.

[GIF REACTION]

Golden eye above Halo?

Is this real life?

Golden eye aged like ****ing milk

Halo has aged like wine. Halo CE is just as good as it was back then.

[West-Side]

Golden eye above Halo?

Is this real life?

Golden eye aged like ****ing milk

Halo has aged like wine. Halo CE is just as good as it was back then.

Halo has aged like wine?
Then why do the scores keep dropping? :roll:

DRUM ROLL PLEASE

Halo - 97
Halo 2 - 95
Halo 3 - 94
Reach - 91
Halo 4 - 87

Ouch. :oldlol:

GoldenEye 007 (for its time) was simply a better game than Halo CE.
Everyone played it. No other game existed for most when 007 came out bro. Don't you remember playing multiplayer with your friends (up to 100 kills), winner takes 50 bucks. :oldlol: It was an epic game, far more memorable than Halo CE to me.

[GIF REACTION]

Halo has aged like wine?
Then why do the scores keep dropping? :roll:

DRUM ROLL PLEASE

Halo - 97
Halo 2 - 95
Halo 3 - 94
Reach - 91
Halo 4 - 87

Ouch. :oldlol:

GoldenEye 007 (for its time) was simply a better game than Halo CE.
Everyone played it. No other game existed for most when 007 came out bro. Don't you remember playing multiplayer with your friends (up to 100 kills), winner takes 50 bucks. :oldlol: It was an epic game, far more memorable than Halo CE to me.
Halo as in Halo CE

It has aged a lot better than Golden eye

This is fact

The control scheme of Golden eye.... Sheesh

Once Halo came and revolutionized FPS on console, there was no going back

[GIF REACTION]

Their impacts as games can be argued either way

The bottom line is Golden eye came out in a very weak era

Halo started the beginning of modern style dual analog controlled FPS on console

It's the main reason why it has aged so well and Golden Eye hasn't

Halo already has started to show signs of age, as the modern shooter has become faster paced.... But it will never feel as aged as Golden Eye... That's a guarantee

[GIF REACTION]

"Goldeneye showed that FPS could be done on consoles, but halo showed it could be done really well."

[Heavincent]

I actually kind of agree with gif on this one. Golden Eye aged like shit, while the first 3 Halo games are still fun.

Older GTA games didn't age that well either.

[West-Side]

I actually kind of agree with gif on this one. Golden Eye aged like shit, while the first 3 Halo games are still fun.

Uhm, so LittleBigPlanet is better than Zelda too I guess?

GoldenEye was on N64 and Halo was on Xbox & X360. :facepalm

[Heavincent]

Uhm, so LittleBigPlanet is better than Zelda too I guess?

GoldenEye was on N64 and Halo was on Xbox & X360. :facepalm

Golden Eye is part of the era of games that simply look and play like complete shit in this day and age. After the 5 minutes it takes for the nostalgia to wear off, you just want to turn it off. This is the case for most non platformers from that time period. On the other hand, I think someone could play Halo CE for the first time and have fun with it.

I guess games like Deus Ex and Thief still hold up okay, but I never did much gaming on the PC.

[Heavincent]

You must be 15

I love this logic of "you must be 15 if you don't fill your list with games from the 90's because nostalgia"

Gaming is better than ever...period.

[West-Side]

Golden Eye is part of the era of games that simply look and play like complete shit in this day and age. After the 5 minutes it takes for the nostalgia to wear off, you just want to turn it off. This is the case for most non platformers from that time period. On the other hand, I think someone could play Halo CE for the first time and have fun with it.

I guess games like Deus Ex and Thief still hold up okay, but I never did much gaming on the PC.

Oh I completely agree bro.
My point is, you MUST compare games relative to their era.
Just like we do anything else, like NBA players or MLB players etc.

GoldenEye to me was a bigger hit than Halo was.
Both games are easily two of the 7/8 most influential games of all-time.

I can't even hate on CE; the experience I had with it the very first time gave me chills. If I had the X1, I'd so get the Anniversary Edition right now. :(

But GIF, do you not agree that Halo has regressed over time?
I mean I loved Halo 3 & Reach a lot, but I still see a down slope.


CE
Halo 3
Halo 2
Reach
Halo 4

Each game has gotten worse, and most people would pick Halo 2 over Halo 3, which almost makes the regression completely linear and troublesome.

I hope the Guardians can redeem the series, by getting an excellent 94/95 score.

[Heavincent]

Oh I completely agree bro.
My point is, you MUST compare games relative to their era.
Just like we do anything else, like NBA players or MLB players etc.


Absolutely, but you gotta understand my list is personal and obviously subjective. It wasn't meant to be top 10 most influential and important games list.

[GIF REACTION]

Halo ruined the FPS genre because it made it so popular to where now it has become over saturated with subpar shooters... Maybe COD is the major culprit, but before Halo CE, FPS was not a popular console genre... After Halo CE? It made it into the most popular genre...

Halo has regressed a bit, but it is more to do with the over-saturation of the FPS genre than the game itself. I don't know if you can say that it is because the games didn't evolve... FPS to me always has seemed limited... COD sped it up (which created a casual feel)....

[Shade8780]

Golden Eye is part of the era of games that simply look and play like complete shit in this day and age. After the 5 minutes it takes for the nostalgia to wear off, you just want to turn it off. This is the case for most non platformers from that time period. On the other hand, I think someone could play Halo CE for the first time and have fun with it.

I guess games like Deus Ex and Thief still hold up okay, but I never did much gaming on the PC.
METAL GEAR SOLID 1 YOU MOTHERFVCKER!

you should know this. that game is still so much fun.

just because it's old doesnt mean you cant play it.

[West-Side]

Halo ruined the FPS genre because it made it so popular to where now it has become over saturated with subpar shooters... Maybe COD is the major culprit, but before Halo CE, FPS was not a popular console genre... After Halo CE? It made it into the most popular genre...

Halo has regressed a bit, but it is more to do with the over-saturation of the FPS genre than the game itself. I don't know if you can say that it is because the games didn't evolve... FPS to me always has seemed limited... COD sped it up (which created a casual feel)....

Fair enough, I definitely agree that Halo was a pioneer and a major influence to the gaming world.

PS - I think COD 4 & Modern Warfare 2 were SPECTACULAR titles. Both games make it into my top 25 all-time. I love the realism of COD 4 and the absolute mayhem that was MW2. You just felt like such a bad ass, haha.

I think I'd still own an Xbox if Halo 3 came right after CE. I think Halo 2 is where I stopped caring about the Halo series. I did have a 360 (that I've barely played) and really enjoyed Reach & Halo 3. But I gave them a try years after they were released, mostly because I just did not enjoy Halo 2.

The first 3-4 hours of the campaign, I really enjoyed but then it just felt repetitive. I actually NEVER finished the story mode, and I've tried the campaign at least 6-10 times.

[West-Side]

PS - BO & BO2 were EPIC games. I am strictly a single-mode player when it comes to FPS, and both of the stories in Black Ops were my favorite out of any COD title (besides maybe MW2).

I like MW3 a lot too, specifically the missions themselves; however, that game was poorly written. I felt like it lacked pace and flow, and they just started thinking about spectacles rather than a dialogue.

[IGOTGAME]

The Last of Us vs Uncharted Collection. If you have never played either which one would you choose?

Last of Us seems very story driven and gloomy and I think I may be looking for something for a fun 90 minutes before work...

video game experts: pls enlighten me!!!

[GIF REACTION]

The answer is to buy an xbox one and get Halo 5.

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The Last of Us vs Uncharted Collection. If you have never played either which one would you choose?

Last of Us seems very story driven and gloomy and I think I may be looking for something for a fun 90 minutes before work...

video game experts: pls enlighten me!!!
Uncharted is better than tlou
Tlou has some of the worst ai for a triple a game ever the enemies will literally jump over a table you are using for cover then reload and hide next to you until you shoot them or they will shoot at you then if you leave the room lose agro and just ignore you again, the crafting system is a joke, the story is one big predictable rip off and the levels are way to linear. The puzzle system is a joke too, every puzzle is pick up the ladder 1 metre away and carry ot back to where you were originally. It's fun but flawed. It also forces you to play it in its own way, been playing stealth? **** you you are now forced to shoot. Want to pick off that sniper? **** you its just a gun floating in a window until you each the cut scene

[West-Side]

Uncharted is better than tlou
Tlou has some of the worst ai for a triple a game ever the enemies will literally jump over a table you are using for cover then reload and hide next to you until you shoot them or they will shoot at you then if you leave the room lose agro and just ignore you again, the crafting system is a joke, the story is one big predictable rip off and the levels are way to linear. The puzzle system is a joke too, every puzzle is pick up the ladder 1 metre away and carry ot back to where you were originally. It's fun but flawed. It also forces you to play it in its own way, been playing stealth? **** you you are now forced to shoot. Want to pick off that sniper? **** you its just a gun floating in a window until you each the cut scene

Probably the worst post ever.
Not even going to waste my time with this crap.

To the original poster; if you are looking for a fun game, I'd go with Uncharted. They are shorter (about 8-12 hours, depending on difficulty) and are much more humorous.

TLOU is a very serious game, it has only about 10 chapters but each chapter takes a solid 1:30 to 3 hours to beat. It can take you anywhere from 17 hours (on easy/medium) to 30 hours (on hard) to beat.

Both are phenomenal games.
The only problem with TLOU is enemies AI. When the NPC is visible the enemies still don't detect them, which definitely ruins the intensity of the game a bit. Other than that, it's a fantastic game.

[Heavincent]

Uncharted is better than tlou
Tlou has some of the worst ai for a triple a game ever the enemies will literally jump over a table you are using for cover then reload and hide next to you until you shoot them or they will shoot at you then if you leave the room lose agro and just ignore you again, the crafting system is a joke, the story is one big predictable rip off and the levels are way to linear. The puzzle system is a joke too, every puzzle is pick up the ladder 1 metre away and carry ot back to where you were originally. It's fun but flawed. It also forces you to play it in its own way, been playing stealth? **** you you are now forced to shoot. Want to pick off that sniper? **** you its just a gun floating in a window until you each the cut scene

Wow, what a shit post.

[Heavincent]

I would like to know all of these games that have better AI than TLOU.

[oarabbus]

The Last of Us is f*cking epic

Some other GOAT Tier Games not in order:

Chrono Trigger
Mass Effect 2
Halo: CE
Resident Evil 4
Super Smash Bros. (OG, Melee, Brawl)
Metal Gear Solid (1-3, I am currently playing V)
Warcraft III
Street Fighter II
Soul Calibur
Skyrim
Streets of Rage 2
Portal
Geometry Wars Retro Evolved
Mario Kart 64
Star Fox 64
Virtua Tennis
Psychonauts



This is the GOAT list.

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Its hilarous how fanboys won't admit a games flaws even when there's numerous other places that mention all the issues i had with the game but to a famboy they magically don't exist or matter. Lol

[GIF REACTION]

Name a glaring flaw in Halo CE

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It's really hard to come up with just a top 10 games, lists will vary a lot based on if you played a game at it's time of release and what consoles you've owned when they were current as well. In no order mine would probably include

kotor
baldurs gate 2
doom
alex kidd in miracle world
world of warcraft (it's first few years were great despite what it became)
resident evil (either 2 or 4 can't decide)
chrono trigger
the secret of monkey island
counter strike 1.6
diablo

Looking at the list though there's a still a shit ton of games that miss out and maybe on a different day i'd prefer them though. Things like legend of zelda, simcity 2000, wolfenstein, uncharted 2, halo, halflife, bioshock, mario 64, GTA san andreas/vice/5, tetris, MGS 1&2, legacy of kaine soul reaver, castlevania symphony of the night, silent hill, tony hawks 2, goldeneye, psychonauts etc. Just too many good games would be easier making a list for each era.

[West-Side]

Its hilarous how fanboys won't admit a games flaws even when there's numerous other places that mention all the issues i had with the game but to a famboy they magically don't exist or matter. Lol

:oldlol: You fabricated and over-exaggerated literally everything in your post you moron.

TLOU has some of the best AI in the business. I've beaten this game at least 8 times now and could never use the same strategy, why? Because the enemies moves to different locations every-time. The only problem I found with TLOU is that the enemies are blind to NPC. However, overall the AI in the TLOU is TEN times better than Uncharted.

Second off, it's an adventure game not a sandbox or RPG game. The level designs are actually pretty open in a lot of areas and allows you the freedom to tackle an objective differently. I've beaten several areas using 3-4 different strategies (using objects to destruct enemies, gun battles, melee attacks, and actually using SHADOWS to not be seen and clear the area without killing anyone).

This game focuses on EMOTION. It's an adventure game that tells a magnificent story with perfect characterization. The game-play is also terrific. Joel is like 50 years old, so I love how they made him feel somewhat slow in movements. It adds to the realism of the game. The way the relationship is built between Joel & Ellie is breathtaking. You won't find many movies that can tell a better story. You can feel the disinterest, regret and emotionless that Joel feels towards Ellie, how he sees it strictly as a job; but as the game progresses, you start to understand why Joel felt that way. It's truly a masterpiece. Only intelligent human beings will understand the art of the game.

This game isn't Phantom Pain, where its packed with content and focuses on mechanics. It's a game about telling a wonderfully intriguing story to the gamer. In the process, it has perhaps the best graphics out of any PS3 game ever created; it has damn good mechanics; it has damn good AI and it has interesting characters. The backbone to this game is it's an adventure. It tries to connect the gamers to the characters. The game itself is ridiculously fun and engaging as well.

You insulting its crafting system, AI or "linear" level design is laughable and that's why I called you out for being a true moron.

This isn't ****ing Skyrim, or Mass Effect or GTA. It's an adventure game.
Same way games like Jak & Daxter and Crash Bandicoot were linear, this game is as well; however, your dumbass actually insulted its level design yet its FAR more open than any of the Uncharted games. It gives you options to use stealth, you're just too stupid to understand how. Or maybe you just tried the game once and are taking out of your ass.

I could literally pick a game like Skyrim or Gears of War and give them false criticism by saying things those games aren't focusing on (or more importantly) shouldn't focus on because of the genre.

That's essentially all you did. You talked shit about a game's level design, or AI, or crating system...when you failed to understand the type of genre the game fits in.

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:oldlol: You fabricated and over-exaggerated literally everything in your post you moron.

TLOU has some of the best AI in the business. I've beaten this game at least 8 times now and could never use the same strategy, why? Because the enemies moves to different locations every-time. The only problem I found with TLOU is that the enemies are blind to NPC. However, overall the AI in the TLOU is TEN times better than Uncharted.

Second off, it's an adventure game not a sandbox or RPG game. The level designs are actually pretty open in a lot of areas and allows you the freedom to tackle an objective differently. I've beaten several areas using 3-4 different strategies (using objects to destruct enemies, gun battles, melee attacks, and actually using SHADOWS to not be seen and clear the area without killing anyone).

This game focuses on EMOTION. It's an adventure game that tells a magnificent story with perfect characterization. The game-play is also terrific. Joel is like 50 years old, so I love how they made him feel somewhat slow in movements. It adds to the realism of the game. The way the relationship is built between Joel & Ellie is breathtaking. You won't find many movies that can tell a better story. You can feel the disinterest, regret and emotionless that Joel feels towards Ellie, how he sees it strictly as a job; but as the game progresses, you start to understand why Joel felt that way. It's truly a masterpiece. Only intelligent human beings will understand the art of the game.

This game isn't Phantom Pain, where its packed with content and focuses on mechanics. It's a game about telling a wonderfully intriguing story to the gamer. In the process, it has perhaps the best graphics out of any PS3 game ever created; it has damn good mechanics; it has damn good AI and it has interesting characters. The backbone to this game is it's an adventure. It tries to connect the gamers to the characters. The game itself is ridiculously fun and engaging as well.

You insulting its crafting system, AI or "linear" level design is laughable and that's why I called you out for being a true moron.

This isn't ****ing Skyrim, or Mass Effect or GTA. It's an adventure game.
Same way games like Jak & Daxter and Crash Bandicoot were linear, this game is as well; however, your dumbass actually insulted its level design yet its FAR more open than any of the Uncharted games. It gives you options to use stealth, you're just too stupid to understand how. Or maybe you just tried the game once and are taking out of your ass.

I could literally pick a game like Skyrim or Gears of War and give them false criticism by saying things those games aren't focusing on (or more importantly) shouldn't focus on because of the genre.

That's essentially all you did. You talked shit about a game's level design, or AI, or crating system...when you failed to understand the type of genre the game fits in.
I understand the game abd i enjoyed it i just find it laughable that once again you are claiming its flaws don't exist even though naughty dog themselves have commented in interviews about some of the issues. A gamecan be good and have flaws you know? You just look like a fanboy and your opinion becomes suspect when you can't acknowledge the obvious flaws in something.

[GIF REACTION]

You bring up good points

But honestly do you ever form your own opinions?

[West-Side]

I understand the game abd i enjoyed it i just find it laughable that once again you are claiming its flaws don't exist even though naughty dog themselves have commented in interviews about some of the issues. A gamecan be good and have flaws you know? You just look like a fanboy and your opinion becomes suspect when you can't acknowledge the obvious flaws in something.

Every game has flaws dude.
Re-read your post, you made this game sound like its complete crap.

Your critics didn't even make sense. You're criticizing an apple for looking like an orange. The biggest flaw I found in TLOU is that Ellie or any other NPC can roam around the enemies and they won't do anything. It just kind of ruins the mood of the game. Other than that, this game is near perfect.

Just like all the other incredible games; Halo, GoldenEye, San Adreas etc.
They all have certain flaws but they are epic because they perfect so many other elements that it easily out-weights their minor flaws.

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Every game has flaws dude.
Re-read your post, you made this game sound like its complete crap.

Your critics didn't even make sense. You're criticizing an apple for looking like an orange. The biggest flaw I found in TLOU is that Ellie or any other NPC can roam around the enemies and they won't do anything. It just kind of ruins the mood of the game. Other than that, this game is near perfect.

Just like all the other incredible games; Halo, GoldenEye, San Adreas etc.
They all have certain flaws but they are epic because they perfect so many other elements that it easily out-weights their minor flaws.

I agree most games have their flaws, especially in this age where games are so advanced, have so much money involved and have so much hype and exposure. I didn't mean to make the game sound crap, merely venting the parts of the game that I feel far too many people ignore or outright disregard.

The biggest flaws in the last of us aren't enemies ignoring ellie, they are enemies acting like retards. I've played through 3 times (twice on remaster, once on ps3) and without fail I get enemies who should be able to see me sometimes they run right next to me but just ignore me.

The game being linear has nothing to do with it's genre. Of course it won't be as open world as other games because that's not what it is. The problem with the last of us is that it doesn't hit it's linearity as well as other games in it's genre (this is a key thing I've seen naughty dog say they wish they'd done better). In uncharted\tomb raider the world feels bigger even though it isn't. Part of it can be put down to the fact a lot of areas in the last of us are meant to feel more claustrophobic but when you hit open levels it becomes really noticeable when every exit is blocked by the same pile of disgaurding objects asset.

Another thing that makes the linear nature suffer is the lack of other activities. The last of us's puzzle system could have been left out it's that shallow. Every puzzle boils down to find a ladder or find a crate for Ellie (who can learn to shoot like a pro but can't be taught to swim?). Most games in this genre that get the praise the last of us does have other mechanics thrown in to mix it up. Uncharted has puzzles, climbing, vehicle sections. Sure they may not be the best at times but they help break the monotonous gameplay feeling which can creep in if you are playing the last of us for a long session.

It also seems to get a pass for things that other games (like gears of war) have been crucified for and that is that the game essentially boils down to walk from a shoot out at point A, in to an obvious shoot out at point B. You walk through tight tunnels and then end up at a large open area with convenient chest high walls and ammo leading up to it and hit a shoot out followed by another and on and on. It's not the biggest issue but it's there and it's a mechanic used by a lot of games to flesh out the length. I'm against that because I feel a game should only be as long as it needs to be and if you cut out some of those shooting segments in the last of us it would have flowed much better.

Part of why these issues annoy me so much is because at it's core the last of us is an amazing experience.. The story (while cliched) is presented in a way no other game has done before, the voice acting, the character development, the writing is all GOAT level. It's just that the gameplay feels like it didn't have enough work invested in it for me and lets down the product which disappoints me because of how well everything else is done. If you have it as your top game that's fine, it's in my top 20, but I can't call it a 10/10 (I'd got 8.5/10) and it annoys me a little when people will claim it's the greatest of all time and then flat out ignore or disregard it's flaws. Like you admitted all games have their flaws and like stans in basketball is annoys me when people won't admit them. There's a lot of reviews out there (especially on the ps magazine sites) that give it 10/10 and then make zero mentions of it's flaws, then when they review another game in the same genre they will focus on the exact same things tlou got wrong as being huge issues. I hate double standards like that, something can be great while being flawed - Jordon is a GOAT but he wasn't a good three point shooter, Lebron has been the best in the league but he's stiff and struggled in the post, Kobe has been the best in the league but he has been selfish and had poor shot selection at time etc. Just because they are great doesn't mean you can't list their flaws but some stans\fanboys won't acknowledge what could have been improved.

I'm actually really looking forward to tlou 2 because from what I've seen naughty dog say in the past they are aware of what didn't work so well in the first game and like they did with uncharted 2 I am expecting tlou2 to be amazing.

I'm also planning on playing tlou again once I finish uncharted collection, read the road recently and it really gets you in the mood for tlou. If you haven't read it you should because if you like tlou's world you'll love the road.

Anyway that's the end of what's probably my longest post on this forum. People value different aspects of games more than others and people enjoy different things. I didn't mean to make it sound like tlou is a terrible game because it's not.

[Ai2death]

While it don't agree that TLOU is the greatest game ever made, it is certainly in a top 20 of all time.

No other story has left me speechless like TLOU us did.

IMO - Zelda: Ocarina of Time is the greatest game ever made.

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While it don't agree that TLOU is the greatest game ever made, it is certainly in a top 20 of all time.

No other story has left me speechless like TLOU us did.

IMO - Zelda: Ocarina of Time is the greatest game ever made.

I don't know why but I haven't been able to get in to another zelda game since Ocarina. There's been other zeldas since I know are good games but they don't seem to hook me like Ocarina and the earlier zeldas did. Do you find that?

[Ai2death]

I don't know why but I haven't been able to get in to another zelda game since Ocarina. There's been other zeldas since I know are good games but they don't seem to hook me like Ocarina and the earlier zeldas did. Do you find that?

Honestly no, but i haven't played them all either, missing a few on handheld.
The gameboy ones Oracle of Seasons and that are severely underrated IMO.
I also haven't played Twilight Princess, I have it though, but want to finish Skyward Sword first. Only thing that i dislike is the motion controls... I just don't enjoy using motion controls.

Also, no. 2 on my all time list is:
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Suikoden 2 - Greatest RPG i have ever played, nothing comes close

Also, is it only me who rates Perfect Dark over Goldeneye? I know Goldeneye was first, but the inclusion of bots on Perfect Dark provided hours upon hours of play time for me and my bro, also way more content as well.

[Levity]

FFVII deserves to be on that list

the depth of that game, which came out almost 2 decades ago, is absolutely amazing for any game at that time. and the story is just as fulfilling

[Ai2death]

Name a glaring flaw in Halo CE

Boring. I Kid... but seriously, **** Halo

[GIF REACTION]

Boring. I Kid... but seriously, **** Halo
Halo actually requires skill to play

You must be very shit at it

You sound like the guy who'd prefer COD because you can just noob-tube people for easy kills

Either that or you have something against extremely popular, critically revered games

[Shade8780]

Halo actually requires skill to play

You must be very shit at it

You sound like the guy who'd prefer COD because you can just noob-tube people for easy kills

Either that or you have something against extremely popular, critically revered games
Fvck you hater

We all know Uncharted will win GOTY and be the greatest game of all time. It'll be a pop culture phenomenon that will make billions and bring an end to child starvation in Africa, almost like the orgasmic Le Last of Us, which was so emotional it made Jesus cry.

If you can't see that you're a stupid troll dipshit lol

Owned



P.S. GameRankings says I'm better than you!

[Uncle Drew]

No mention of Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow whatsoever? I could be 83 y/o and I'd still be enjoying the shit out of those 3.

[West-Side]

Fvck you hater

We all know Uncharted will win GOTY and be the greatest game of all time. It'll be a pop culture phenomenon that will make billions and bring an end to child starvation in Africa, almost like the orgasmic Le Last of Us, which was so emotional it made Jesus cry.

If you can't see that you're a stupid troll dipshit lol

Owned



P.S. GameRankings says I'm better than you!

GameRankings does state TLOU & Uncharted 2 is better than any MGS title.
Well actually, it's the opinion of critics that have reviews the games. GameRanking simply aggregates their reviews into one score. :oldlol:
West-Side does state that Shade8780 is a douche bag.

[StephHamann]

You must be 15

:roll:

[West-Side]

:roll:

Macmac is a cool dude, but his post was uncalled for.
That list the OP posted is legit. It doesn't make him 15.

I just hate how people try to shove these old games down my throat.
Since the PS3/360 inception, there were so many incredible games that simply are far more engaging than old ass Super Mario or Zelda or Baldur Gates.

I have all 3 on my top 20 list, most likely but its mostly because of nostalgia or memory. Its game I value because I spend so much time playing them. Just like I did with Ken Griffey Jr Winning Run on SNES.

However, I think it's pretty poor judgement to judge a person for putting all 10 games in his top 10 from 2008 to now.

There has certainly been a lot of epic games that are just as good as some of those older classics.
The problem becomes, relativity.
Games today are far more engaging and far more beautiful. You can get lost in the stories they tell. Super Mario could NEVER achieve that level of connection, yet I'll have a 56 year old nerd calling out my taste because I put RDR over Super Mario 3. *rolls eyes*

[StephHamann]

Resident Evil 4 is the game everyone ripped off.

TLoU is basically RE4 gameplay.

Same goes for Uncharted, Gears of War, and basically every 3rd person shooter today.

I played RE 4 on the PC this year for the first time since 2005 and it's still pretty amazing.

Good video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urpHwgOujcw

[West-Side]

Resident Evil 4 is the game everyone ripped off.

TLoU is basically RE4 gameplay.

Same goes for Uncharted, Gears of War, and basically every 3rd person shooter today.

I played RE 4 on the PC this year for the first time since 2005 and it's still pretty amazing.

Good video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urpHwgOujcw

:facepalm
Wait...
What?

[GIF REACTION]

Macmac is a cool dude, but his post was uncalled for.
That list the OP posted is legit. It doesn't make him 15.

I just hate how people try to shove these old games down my throat.
Since the PS3/360 inception, there were so many incredible games that simply are far more engaging than old ass Super Mario or Zelda or Baldur Gates.

I have all 3 on my top 20 list, most likely but its mostly because of nostalgia or memory. Its game I value because I spend so much time playing them. Just like I did with Ken Griffey Jr Winning Run on SNES.

However, I think it's pretty poor judgement to judge a person for putting all 10 games in his top 10 from 2008 to now.

There has certainly been a lot of epic games that are just as good as some of those older classics.
The problem becomes, relativity.
Games today are far more engaging and far more beautiful. You can get lost in the stories they tell. Super Mario could NEVER achieve that level of connection, yet I'll have a 56 year old nerd calling out my taste because I put RDR over Super Mario 3. *rolls eyes*
Timeless games will age like wine. This is why Golden eye does not compare to the glory that is Halo CE.

[outbreak]

No mention of Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow whatsoever? I could be 83 y/o and I'd still be enjoying the shit out of those 3.
Good call. When a game doesnt really have to change much but is stl consistently good and a huge system seller you know they did something right.

[Draz]

Don't know if I posted this in here already but I played the ps4 store shit where you can play ps3 games and I liked where the story was headed at first, but then it just got too focused on some other shit. I ran out of the subscription to continue.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Last of Us isn't in the GOAT game discussion.

That top-10 list in the OP is a joke.

[Shade8780]

Last of Us isn't in the GOAT game discussion.

That top-10 list in the OP is a joke.
dis

[outbreak]

Just finished playing through uncharted 2 again, still not sure why ps fanboys didn't choose to pump up that game instead of tlou. It does nearly everything better than tlou.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

The more I read that list, the funnier it gets. 3 MGS titles? Mass Effect 2? Witcher 3? That list is the video game equivalent of NBA lists that pick LeBron or Kobe as the GOAT.

[outbreak]

The more I read that list, the funnier it gets. 3 MGS titles? Mass Effect 2? Witcher 3? That list is the video game equivalent of NBA lists that pick LeBron or Kobe as the GOAT.
eh it's not that funny it just makes it obvious the list was made by someone who's around 15 years old and either hasn't played older games or didn't play them when they were current.

[Heavincent]

You guys are really gonna judge someone's age by their favorite games? :oldlol: I'm 22.

****ing morons

[outbreak]

All legendary games with metacritic ratings in the mid 90's
:facepalm
Using metcritic is retarded ESPECIALLY when talking about games that existed before the internet was big. There's numerous industry articles around about trying to get rid of metacritic as a resource because it's a cancer on the games industry.

[Heavincent]

Funny how people are attacking my character because of a silly list. Who's 15 here?

[24-Inch_Chrome]

You guys are really gonna judge someone's age by their favorite games? :oldlol: I'm 22.

****ing morons

When did I say anything about your age? I'm judging a horrible list for being a horrible list. :confusedshrug:

[Heavincent]

When did I say anything about your age? I'm judging a horrible list for being a horrible list. :confusedshrug:

I don't understand. How can a subjective list of my personal favorite games be horrible? Are you telling me those aren't my favorite games?

Or are you implying that some of the games on the list are horrible?

[24-Inch_Chrome]

I don't understand. How can a subjective list of my personal favorite games be horrible?

Or are you implying that some of the games on the list are horrible?

The thread title states that Last of Us is the best game ever made, not your favourite. The list itself is titled "Top 10 GOAT." No one can really take issue with someone's favourite games as that is purely subjective, but calling a game like Last of Us the GOAT game is a statement that will create (and honestly deserves) criticism.

I don't think I'd call any of those games horrible, but there's not a game on that list that should make it onto a top 10 GOAT list. No Nintendo (Zelda, Mario, Metroid)? No true PC games (DOOM, Half-Life, UT, Diablo, etc.)? Lack of the best Playstation titles (Original MGS, FFVII, Shadow of the Colossus, etc.)?

Omitting these games/franchises, all of which either are or contain top 10 GOAT candidates really takes away from your list's credibility. Hence my comparison to a basketball list that features LeBron or Kobe at #1.

[Heavincent]

The thread title states that Last of Us is the best game ever made, not your favourite. The list itself is titled "Top 10 GOAT." No one can really take issue with someone's favourite games as that is purely subjective, but calling a game like Last of Us the GOAT game is a statement that will create (and honestly deserves) criticism.

I don't think I'd call any of those games horrible, but there's not a game on that list that should make it onto a top 10 GOAT list. No Nintendo (Zelda, Mario, Metroid)? No true PC games (DOOM, Half-Life, UT, Diablo, etc.)? Lack of the best Playstation titles (Original MGS, FFVII, Shadow of the Colossus, etc.)?

Omitting these games/franchises, all of which either are or contain top 10 GOAT candidates really takes away from your list's credibility. Hence my comparison to a basketball list that features LeBron or Kobe at #1.

Those are the 10 best games to me. Simple as that.

Basketball is far more objective than an entertainment medium such as gaming.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Those are the 10 best games to me. Simple as that.

Basketball is far more objective than an entertainment medium such as gaming.

Then don't title the list "Top 10 GOAT." :confusedshrug:

Not really. The all-time great games are damn near universally recognized as such. The only exceptions come from those who don't know what they're talking about because they haven't experienced nearly enough.

[outbreak]

Then don't title the list "Top 10 GOAT." :confusedshrug:

Not really. The all-time great games are damn near universally recognized as such. The only exceptions come from those who don't know what they're talking about because they haven't experienced nearly enough.
The reason to use top 10 goat and the thread heading is purely for a reaction imo

[Heavincent]

Then don't title the list "Top 10 GOAT." :confusedshrug:

Not really. The all-time great games are damn near universally recognized as such. The only exceptions come from those who don't know what they're talking about because they haven't experienced nearly enough.

And all of the games on my list were universally praised as all time greats within their respective genres :confusedshrug:

[24-Inch_Chrome]

And all of the games on my list were universally praised as all time greats within their respective genres :confusedshrug:

Relative to recent or contemporary competition, some of them might be. All-time? Nope. Not even close. Even if we limit greatness only to their genres.

The list was enough to make it clear that you don't have anywhere near enough experience to have any credibility as far as evaluating games on an all-time scale, nothing that you're posting is doing anything to fix that.

I mean, shit, you've admitted that you have minimal experience on the two most important systems/brands when it comes to all-time great games in the PC and Nintendo, but you're still trying to argue your case? FOH. That's like a 12 year old who only watches LeBron trying to argue that Bron is the GOAT.

[Heavincent]

In fact, most of the games on my list were pioneers, except maybe Mass Effect 2, which just expanded on the first game.

TLOU - Widely regarded as the best storytelling ever seen in a game. Combines it with tense stealth action gameplay that perfectly compliments the narrative.

Red Dead Redemption - Hey, lets look at all the other great open world games set in the old west: ummmm.......

MGS V: Revolutionized stealth gameplay with the open world and how many ways to there are to tackle each mission.

Gears of War: Widely regarded as one of the best third person shooters ever. Revolutionized cover based shooters.

MGS 3: Widely regarded as the best game in one of the most iconic series in gaming (although I personally prefer V).

MGS 2: Insane meta narrative unlike anything ever seen in a game. Fun top down stealth gameplay.

Chaos Theory: Widely regarded as one of the best stealth games ever.

Crash 3: Widely regarded as one of, if not THE best platformer on the PS1.

People seem to be more mad about what isn't on my list rather than what is. It all comes down to genre preference.

[Heavincent]

Relative to recent or contemporary competition, some of them might be. All-time? Nope. Not even close. Even if we limit greatness only to their genres.

Ridiculous. Almost all of them are, as explained above.


I mean, shit, you've admitted that you have minimal experience on the two most important systems/brands when it comes to all-time great games in the PC and Nintendo, but you're still trying to argue your case? FOH. That's like a 12 year old who only watches LeBron trying to argue that Bron is the GOAT.

Sorry I didn't own every system. PS1 was my shit when I was younger. I don't care to spend the money and time to go back and purchase every Nintendo system and build a gaming PC. I'm not gonna hate on someone's movie taste just because there are some classics they haven't seen.

And again with accusing me of being a teenager. Just because someone leans toward more modern games doesn't mean they're a teenager. Get off your high horse.

[outbreak]

If you have only played (and have no interest in playing other previous games) a tiny section of games you aren't in a position to make a "top 10 GOAT list". Should have called it "My favourite 10 games".

[Heavincent]

If you have only played (and have no interest in playing other previous games) a tiny section of games you aren't in a position to make a "top 10 GOAT list". Should have called it "My favourite 10 games".

No shit...whatever list you or anyone else comes up with is just your favorite games. Every list is subjective and comes down to genre preferences.

I thought it was assumed that it was just my 10 favorite games...that's all anyone's list is because it's impossible to make a 100% objective list. A lot of it is apples and oranges anyway. Comparing a turn based RPG to a stealth game is asinine. It's like comparing a defensive lineman to a receiver. They do completely different things, so what's the point in comparing them?

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Ridiculous. Almost all of them are, as explained above.

:oldlol:


Sorry I didn't own every system. PS1 was my shit when I was younger. I don't care to spend the money and time to go back and purchase every Nintendo system and build a gaming PC. I'm not gonna hate on someone's movie taste just because there are some classics they haven't seen.

And again with accusing me of being a teenager. Just because someone leans toward more modern games doesn't mean they're a teenager. Get off your high horse.

If you can just admit that you're ignorant on the subject then I'll leave it alone. All you need to try the majority of these games is a regular computer and an emulator, your excuses just aren't good enough if you want to be taken seriously. You're basically admitting that you have zero experience but simultaneously arguing that it shouldn't be held against you. Ridiculous.


In fact, most of the games on my list were pioneers, except maybe Mass Effect 2, which just expanded on the first game.

TLOU - Widely regarded as the best storytelling ever seen in a game. Combines it with tense stealth action gameplay that perfectly compliments the narrative.

Red Dead Redemption - Hey, lets look at all the other great open world games set in the old west: ummmm.......

MGS V: Revolutionized stealth gameplay with the open world and how many ways to there are to tackle each mission.

Gears of War: Widely regarded as one of the best third person shooters ever. Revolutionized cover based shooters.

MGS 3: Widely regarded as the best game in one of the most iconic series in gaming (although I personally prefer V).

MGS 2: Insane meta narrative unlike anything ever seen in a game. Fun top down stealth gameplay.

Chaos Theory: Widely regarded as one of the best stealth games ever.

Crash 3: Widely regarded as one of, if not THE best platformer on the PS1.

People seem to be more mad about what isn't on my list rather than what is. It all comes down to genre preference.

All you're doing is narrowing your definition of greatness bit by bit to fit each individual game. That you've had to do that at all is telling. You've had to compromise from top 10 GOAT to favourites to greatest in genres, but only in certain areas. The true GOAT-tier games don't have to compromise.

Yawn. If all you've got on that argument is storytelling (possibly the most subjective aspect of video games?) then you don't have much.

Wow, GTA in the Wild West. Really groundbreaking.

MGS 1 is the best game in that series. MGS V revolutionized nothing.

Gears of War is nowhere near the best shooter, majority of third person shooters are shit.

Thief >>>

I can't even write a response to the last one, just :roll:

[Heavincent]

:oldlol:

If you can just admit that you're ignorant on the subject then I'll leave it alone. All you need to try the majority of these games is a regular computer and an emulator, your excuses just aren't good enough if you want to be taken seriously. You're basically admitting that you have zero experience but simultaneously arguing that it shouldn't be held against you. Ridiculous.

First of all, I've played a lot of the classics mentioned like Half Life 2, Golden Eye and various Mario games (not long after they were released). Some of the other ones like Final Fantasy I just have little interest in.

Secondly, I'm not claiming to be some authority. Yes, I'll concede you are more knowledgeable of retro games. Happy? You're taking this shit too seriously just because he have different tastes.



Wow, GTA in the Wild West. Really groundbreaking.

Okay, lets act like people weren't asking "how come there's never been a great game set in the old west?" before RDR came out.


MGS 1 is the best game in that series. MGS V revolutionized nothing.

Show me all of the other open world stealth games of MGS V's quality.


Gears of War is nowhere near the best shooter, majority of third person shooters are shit.

You contradicted yourself within two sentences. I agree third person shooters have gotten boring, Gears was one of the few that does it right.


Thief >>>

Yes, another game that is regarded as one of the best in the stealth genre, along with Chaos Theory and the MGS games.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

My issue isn't just that you're writing off games that you've never played, it's that you keep going back and linking greatness to preference. There are games that I ****ing hated that I can still acknowledge as great games for what they brought to the table, even if it wasn't my cup of tea. Acknowledging greatness doesn't have to fit perfectly in line with whatever your preferences are.

It's still GTA with a new setting. Hardly groundbreaking.

As far as exclusively stealth-centric games, that's tough (Assassin's Creed franchise is definitely there, ACII in particular), but as far as open world games where stealth is a viable option throughout, there's a plethora. Not only that, but there are far superior stealth games that didn't go to the open world concept because it wasn't ideal for the game in question. Perfect stealth game in a non-open world > mix of both without perfecting either. Not like non-open world = completely linear in every way either, branching storylines is enough to introduce more variability on top of what's available as far as different methods/approaches of level completion.

My point was that it's near the top of a sparsely populated (as far as good games) sub-genre that pales in comparison to what's available in the shooter genre as a whole. Max Payne/Resident Evil >

None of the games that you listed belong anywhere near the top-10 all-time in video games. Some of them could probably crack top-10 for their genres or sub-genres but there's not a one that can stuck up against the true heavyweights. I'm not even trying to argue that they're not great games in their own right, just that they aren't nearly great enough to truly complete among the all-time ranks.

[Ai2death]

Heres my top 10 list for shits and gigs, not GOAT, just IMO. Let the flames begin!

In no order:

Red Dead Redemption
Uncharted 2
Suikoden 2
Pokemon Red/Blue
Conkers Bad Furday (Or maybe Perfect Dark)
Zelda: Ocarina of Time
Super Smash Bros. (Any, but tempted to go N64)
Skate
GTA: San Andreas
Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater

(Disclaimer: This is straight of the top of my head, no doubt i will remember/forget a couple in the coming weeks)

(Disclaimer Part 2: This is my opinion and not fact)

[Ai2death]

My issue isn't just that you're writing off games that you've never played, it's that you keep going back and linking greatness to preference. There are games that I ****ing hated that I can still acknowledge as great games for what they brought to the table, even if it wasn't my cup of tea. Acknowledging greatness doesn't have to fit perfectly in line with whatever your preferences are.

It's still GTA with a new setting. Hardly groundbreaking.

As far as exclusively stealth-centric games, that's tough (Assassin's Creed franchise is definitely there, ACII in particular), but as far as open world games where stealth is a viable option throughout, there's a plethora. Not only that, but there are far superior stealth games that didn't go to the open world concept because it wasn't ideal for the game in question. Perfect stealth game in a non-open world > mix of both without perfecting either. Not like non-open world = completely linear in every way either, branching storylines is enough to introduce more variability on top of what's available as far as different methods/approaches of level completion.

My point was that it's near the top of a sparsely populated (as far as good games) sub-genre that pales in comparison to what's available in the shooter genre as a whole. Max Payne/Resident Evil >

None of the games that you listed belong anywhere near the top-10 all-time in video games. Some of them could probably crack top-10 for their genres or sub-genres but there's not a one that can stuck up against the true heavyweights. I'm not even trying to argue that they're not great games in their own right, just that they aren't nearly great enough to truly complete among the all-time ranks.

I would just like to say that even though Assassins Creed is considered a stealth game, I rate it more like an action game. Hell, it had just as much stealth as Shadow of Mordor. Granted, i haven't played any of them since Black Flag.

[Heavincent]

My issue isn't just that you're writing off games that you've never played, it's that you keep going back and linking greatness to preference. There are games that I ****ing hated that I can still acknowledge as great games for what they brought to the table, even if it wasn't my cup of tea. Acknowledging greatness doesn't have to fit perfectly in line with whatever your preferences are.

It's still GTA with a new setting. Hardly groundbreaking.

As far as exclusively stealth-centric games, that's tough (Assassin's Creed franchise is definitely there, ACII in particular), but as far as open world games where stealth is a viable option throughout, there's a plethora. Not only that, but there are far superior stealth games that didn't go to the open world concept because it wasn't ideal for the game in question. Perfect stealth game in a non-open world > mix of both without perfecting either. Not like non-open world = completely linear in every way either, branching storylines is enough to introduce more variability on top of what's available as far as different methods/approaches of level completion.

My point was that it's near the top of a sparsely populated (as far as good games) sub-genre that pales in comparison to what's available in the shooter genre as a whole. Max Payne/Resident Evil >

None of the games that you listed belong anywhere near the top-10 all-time in video games. Some of them could probably crack top-10 for their genres or sub-genres but there's not a one that can stuck up against the true heavyweights. I'm not even trying to argue that they're not great games in their own right, just that they aren't nearly great enough to truly complete among the all-time ranks.

Agree to disagree. I've said my piece.

Removed the "GOAT" part if it makes you feel any better.

[Heavincent]

I would just like to say that even though Assassins Creed is considered a stealth game, I rate it more like an action game. Hell, it had just as much stealth as Shadow of Mordor. Granted, i haven't played any of them since Black Flag.

Agreed. AC has extremely basic and bare bones stealth. I've never really considered it a stealth series.

[macmac]

Maybe you thought I was attacking you personally, but really when 90% of your list is comprised of games from the last 5 years and the rest not long before that, how can you possibly call it Greatest games of All Time with a straight face?

The only logical conclusion I can come up with is that your point of reference is that of someone who wasn't around for the golden era of console games.

I mean, a link to the past was a work of art. So much so, that the shitty semi remake of it on DS is one of the systems best seller in modern times.

Chrono Trigger has an incredible battle system, amazing music, sprites that still look good today, great storyline and characters. That's a work of art. Growing up, it was neck and neck with FF6 when it came to favorite RPGs, but in hindsight, Chrono Trigger was the one to stand the test of time, no pun intended.

The civilization series. I mean, what more can be said? This franchise is the greatest and longest lasting series in strategy. Matter of fact, how can you not have one strategy game on there? No starcraft, no age of empires, no red alert. I know it's hard to play them with an Xbox controller but to exlude them entirely?

Mario 64. When that game came out, people were completely floored. Best launch game of all time, what a jump from the SNES to a fully 3d game with different worlds, the first open world game of all time really. Yeah, it's hard to look at those huge polygons now, but if you want to talk about influential and game changing, look no further.

I could go on and on, and sit and debate for days but truth is there will never be a definite top 10 list. However, to claim that the top games of all time are all from this era is a complete farce. So I assumed you were 15-18, not to look down upon you, but because the alternative would mean that you're a fkin idiot.

[West-Side]

The thread title states that Last of Us is the best game ever made, not your favourite. The list itself is titled "Top 10 GOAT." No one can really take issue with someone's favourite games as that is purely subjective, but calling a game like Last of Us the GOAT game is a statement that will create (and honestly deserves) criticism.

I don't think I'd call any of those games horrible, but there's not a game on that list that should make it onto a top 10 GOAT list. No Nintendo (Zelda, Mario, Metroid)? No true PC games (DOOM, Half-Life, UT, Diablo, etc.)? Lack of the best Playstation titles (Original MGS, FFVII, Shadow of the Colossus, etc.)?

Omitting these games/franchises, all of which either are or contain top 10 GOAT candidates really takes away from your list's credibility. Hence my comparison to a basketball list that features LeBron or Kobe at #1.

You ****ing moron, just shut up already.

You just said TLOU has no shot at being the best ever.
According to who? YOU?! There are plenty of people that would disagree with your opinion.

You just exposed yourself with this post anyways. You ****ing named me games like Doom Half-Life, SOTC; yet these games were actually released during the internet days and NONE of them were rated higher than TLOU.

So let me get this straight you shit for brains; TLOU isn't one of the best because you have nostalgia issues and think ****ing Zelda or Mario on SNES are better games?

Sometimes I wish you could put your hand through a screen a slap the stupid out of people.

[West-Side]

Then don't title the list "Top 10 GOAT." :confusedshrug:

Not really. The all-time great games are damn near universally recognized as such. The only exceptions come from those who don't know what they're talking about because they haven't experienced nearly enough.

Dipshit, it's HIS top 10 GOAT.
There are no definite answer. Even if you are a nerd and have played all the games in the world, doesn't give you a head-up on someone who hasn't. Games are highly subjective and it depends heavily on preference.

For example, someone mentioned pokemon.
For me, :facepalm , but I won't argue because I know it's a highly regarded game in the gaming world and even though I don't like it (or see the appeal in it), I can respect their opinion.

The same goes for TLOU, just because YOUR dumbass doesn't think it's the best game or one of the best, doesn't mean it isn't.

The gaming world strongly disagrees. It has won GOTY by the largest margin of victory in history. It has received a ton of praise and has incredibly great reviews.

Only ONE game in gaming history received more PERFECT reviews than TLOU. And that was GTA IV, and that was largely because it was the first GTA game released on the newer console, so people were drooling over with.

[West-Side]

Maybe you thought I was attacking you personally, but really when 90% of your list is comprised of games from the last 5 years and the rest not long before that, how can you possibly call it Greatest games of All Time with a straight face?

The only logical conclusion I can come up with is that your point of reference is that of someone who wasn't around for the golden era of console games.

I mean, a link to the past was a work of art. So much so, that the shitty semi remake of it on DS is one of the systems best seller in modern times.

Chrono Trigger has an incredible battle system, amazing music, sprites that still look good today, great storyline and characters. That's a work of art. Growing up, it was neck and neck with FF6 when it came to favorite RPGs, but in hindsight, Chrono Trigger was the one to stand the test of time, no pun intended.

The civilization series. I mean, what more can be said? This franchise is the greatest and longest lasting series in strategy. Matter of fact, how can you not have one strategy game on there? No starcraft, no age of empires, no red alert. I know it's hard to play them with an Xbox controller but to exlude them entirely?

Mario 64. When that game came out, people were completely floored. Best launch game of all time, what a jump from the SNES to a fully 3d game with different worlds, the first open world game of all time really. Yeah, it's hard to look at those huge polygons now, but if you want to talk about influential and game changing, look no further.

I could go on and on, and sit and debate for days but truth is there will never be a definite top 10 list. However, to claim that the top games of all time are all from this era is a complete farce. So I assumed you were 15-18, not to look down upon you, but because the alternative would mean that you're a fkin idiot.

Yawn.
Those games you mentioned were spectacular for their age and time.
The Last Of Us is relatively speaking JUST as great as any of those games.

Yes I've played A Link to the Past; if I was to put TLOU in my PS3/4 console and Zelda, I'd far likely end up playing TLOU. It's just a far better experience. I know you guys have you lame ass nostalgia and you probably had a lot of memories with those old ass games (as did I, I loved my Mario All-Stars, Zelda, Donkey Kong etc.) and relatively speaking, they were fantastic.

I'll use simple terms though.
We aren't talking about Kyrie Irving here when it comes to GOAT basketball players, we are talking about LeBron James. Games like TLOU or Uncharted 2 or RDR or handful of others, are comparable to LeBron James.

People here talking about old school games are acting like TLOU has no place to be compared to chrono trigger, half life, zelda or BG 2.

Absolutely ridiculous statement to make. I've PLAYED all of them.
And I'm telling you; TLOU is easily on that tier. It just does a far better job at engaging you in its story because its just a far more advanced game.

Just tired of idiots acting like praising nostalgia means you somehow have a better knowledge base. No, you just have difference of preference, so sit you condescending asses down.

PS - You guys dismissing a game like TLOU is no different than me dismissing a game like Ocarina of Time, or GoldenEye or Baldur Gate's or Metroid Prime.

Fact is, all those games are classics. TLOU is just a newer classic.

[macmac]

Dipshit, it's HIS top 10 GOAT.
There are no definite answer. Even if you are a nerd and have played all the games in the world, doesn't give you a head-up on someone who hasn't. Games are highly subjective and it depends heavily on preference.

For example, someone mentioned pokemon.
For me, :facepalm , but I won't argue because I know it's a highly regarded game in the gaming world and even though I don't like it (or see the appeal in it), I can respect their opinion.

The same goes for TLOU, just because YOUR dumbass doesn't think it's the best game or one of the best, doesn't mean it isn't.

The gaming world strongly disagrees. It has won GOTY by the largest margin of victory in history. It has received a ton of praise and has incredibly great reviews.

Only ONE game in gaming history received more PERFECT reviews than TLOU. And that was GTA IV, and that was largely because it was the first GTA game released on the newer console, so people were drooling over with.


I'm pretty sure Ocarina of Time was better rated than both those games

[GIF REACTION]

It is way too hard to compare games across eras

The truth of the matter is games are constantly evolving and getting better

We need to judge games in their retrospective eras, but ALSO account for competition during that era. Today the level of scrutiny and attention to detail just cannot be compared to even 7 years ago, let alone 15.

[macmac]

Yawn.
Those games you mentioned were spectacular for their age and time.
The Last Of Us is relatively speaking JUST as great as any of those games.

Yes I've played A Link to the Past; if I was to put TLOU in my PS3/4 console and Zelda, I'd far likely end up playing TLOU. It's just a far better experience. I know you guys have you lame ass nostalgia and you probably had a lot of memories with those old ass games (as did I, I loved my Mario All-Stars, Zelda, Donkey Kong etc.) and relatively speaking, they were fantastic.

I'll use simple terms though.
We aren't talking about Kyrie Irving here when it comes to GOAT basketball players, we are talking about LeBron James. Games like TLOU or Uncharted 2 or RDR or handful of others, are comparable to LeBron James.

People here talking about old school games are acting like TLOU has no place to be compared to chrono trigger, half life, zelda or BG 2.

Absolutely ridiculous statement to make. I've PLAYED all of them.
And I'm telling you; TLOU is easily on that tier. It just does a far better job at engaging you in its story because its just a far more advanced game.

Just tired of idiots acting like praising nostalgia means you somehow have a better knowledge base. No, you just have difference of preference, so sit you condescending asses down.

PS - You guys dismissing a game like TLOU is no different than me dismissing a game like Ocarina of Time, or GoldenEye or Baldur Gate's or Metroid Prime.

Fact is, all those games are classics. TLOU is just a newer classic.

Where did I dismiss TLOU? I just said a list without any classics cannot be a GOAT list. I've very much enjoyed TLOU, whether I would put it in my top 10 is debatable, but the interaction between characters, the voice acting and storytelling are all top notch and arguably revolutionary.

[West-Side]

I'm pretty sure Ocarina of Time was better rated than both those games

Well, it also only received 22 reviews.
TLOU received four times as many reviews.

So kinda hard to compare which game was rated higher.
I remember Arkham City maintained a 97 overall rating after 40 reviews, and ended up finishing with like 94 after 80 reviews.

[West-Side]

Where did I dismiss TLOU? I just said a list without any classics cannot be a GOAT list. I've very much enjoyed TLOU, whether I would put it in my top 10 is debatable, but the interaction between characters, the voice acting and storytelling are all top notch and arguably revolutionary.

Not you bro, I mean that other dude.
I don't even care if you don't have TLOU in your top 10. I can respect anyone's opinion who has 10 games who are on a similar tier.

Like if you mentioned 10 great games that were made before 2006 (like Metroid or Zelda etc.) I'd have no problem with your list, even if it doesn't include TLOU. I do have a problem with people who don't do that though.

Who have played a lot of older games and think when people act like RDR and TLOU are two of the best five games they've ever played, they deserve criticism. :facepalm

[GIF REACTION]

Today's era = insane scrutiny

Halo 5 is currently rated lower than Halo 4 on metacritic....

That just defies all logic

[West-Side]

Today's era = insane scrutiny

Halo 5 is currently rated lower than Halo 4 on metacritic....

That just defies all logic


:oldlol:


Halo 5: Guardians features an underwhelming, confusing and surprisingly banal campaign that's not actively bad, but equally not quite good enough to warrant a purchase on its own.

Fail.
Miserably.
86. :oldlol:

I totally forgot this crap is coming out this week, haha.

[macmac]

Today's era = insane scrutiny

Halo 5 is currently rated lower than Halo 4 on metacritic....

That just defies all logic

Do you ever leave that agenda in your school bag or do you just walking around with your eyes glued to your agenda schedule like 10am: must praise Halo. 11am: Kings are making the playoffs! 12pm: peanut butter jelly sandwhiches mom packed in my Master Chief lunch box. 1pm: nap time in my Sac Kings jammies 2pm: scan the net for Halo 5 reviews...

You're more dull than infomercials

[GIF REACTION]

The funniest thing is the reviews have come out before the online has launched

That's like only judging half of the game

So real rating + FPS bias = 93-95

[GIF REACTION]

Do you ever leave that agenda in your school bag or do you just walking around with your eyes glued to your agenda schedule like 10am: must praise Halo. 11am: Kings are making the playoffs! 12pm: peanut butter jelly sandwhiches mom packed in my Master Chief lunch box. 1pm: nap time in my Sac Kings jammies 2pm: scan the net for Halo 5 reviews...

You're more dull than infomercials
Coming from the most interesting man in the world...

Go comb your hair or check your phone or something...

[macmac]

Coming from the most interesting man in the world...

Go comb your hair or check your phone or something...



.....riight

[GIF REACTION]

Better yet

throw up an instagram to show everyone how interesting you are!

Sepia filter!

Joke.

[macmac]

Better yet

throw up an instagram to show everyone how interesting you are!

Sepia filter!

Joke.

Ha. I don't use Instagram, but sepia does match my skin tone. Glad I got you talking about something else than master Chief playing small forward for the Kings tho. I know its scary tackling new content that you haven't developed a hard stance on, but eventually you'll have enough topics at your disposal to be able to hold normal conversations, wouldn't that be fun?

[GIF REACTION]

Don't take this website too personal bud

You'll find not many do

Make sure to take some photos next time your on holiday!

[West-Side]

Better yet

throw up an instagram to show everyone how interesting you are!

Sepia filter!

Joke.

Are you jealous that the man makes a living playing poker, does real estate, drives a Bentley, and probably sleeps with more girls over a weekend at Vegas than you will in your entire life?

Or are you jealous that Halo 5 won't even have a higher rating than Drake's Fortune?

:roll: :rockon:

[nightprowler10]

Just finished playing through uncharted 2 again, still not sure why ps fanboys didn't choose to pump up that game instead of tlou. It does nearly everything better than tlou.
I have to agree with you here. UC2 is amazing.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

You ****ing moron, just shut up already.

You just said TLOU has no shot at being the best ever.
According to who? YOU?! There are plenty of people that would disagree with your opinion.

You just exposed yourself with this post anyways. You ****ing named me games like Doom Half-Life, SOTC; yet these games were actually released during the internet days and NONE of them were rated higher than TLOU.

So let me get this straight you shit for brains; TLOU isn't one of the best because you have nostalgia issues and think ****ing Zelda or Mario on SNES are better games?

Sometimes I wish you could put your hand through a screen a slap the stupid out of people.

You seem really angry. :oldlol:

It looks as though your entire argument (as well as posts earlier ITT) is based on Metacritic rankings, that's all you've got? FOH. You're acting like Metacritic is some infallible deity and that it hasn't received a ton of criticism for the way that its ranking system handles video games.

What's more, Last of Us is ranked 49th on Metacritic's all-time list, so I have no ****ing idea why you keep going back to that site. :roll:

Every game that I named still holds up as a masterpiece today. They're not great games because they're old, they're great games because they were great and continue to be great.

[nightprowler10]

My issue isn't just that you're writing off games that you've never played, it's that you keep going back and linking greatness to preference. There are games that I ****ing hated that I can still acknowledge as great games for what they brought to the table, even if it wasn't my cup of tea. Acknowledging greatness doesn't have to fit perfectly in line with whatever your preferences are.

It's still GTA with a new setting. Hardly groundbreaking.
Great post.

[West-Side]

You seem really angry. :oldlol:

It looks as though your entire argument (as well as posts earlier ITT) is based on Metacritic rankings, that's all you've got? FOH. You're acting like Metacritic is some infallible deity and that it hasn't received a ton of criticism for the way that its ranking system handles video games.

What's more, Last of Us is ranked 49th on Metacritic's all-time list, so I have no ****ing idea why you keep going back to that site. :roll:

Every game that I named still holds up as a masterpiece today. They're not great games because they're old, they're great games because they were great and continue to be great.

So why don't you post some substance for a change.
Here's an idea; write a thoughtful response to why.

1) The Last Of Us is not one of the greatest games ever developed.
2) Why these other "master pieces" actually are.

TLOU is ranked 49th, but there are only like 18 games or so with a score higher than 95. Furthermore, out of those 49 titles, TLOU has one of the highest user ratings as well.

It's also one of the most reviewed games out of the top 100.
So it's harder for it to maintain a high score.

Ocarina of Time - 22 reviews
Tony Hawk - 19 reviews
GTA - 64 reviews
SoulCalibur - 24 reviews

etc.

TLOU has 98 reviews.
It has a 9.1 user rating.
Only 10 games above it has a higher user rating.

Like I said before, look at the whole picture.
To give you an example of what I mean by more reviews = lower score.

Zelda - 99 on meta (22 reviews)
Zelda - 97.5% (28 reviews) on GR

Uncharted 2 - 96 on meta (106 reviews)
Uncharted 2 - 96.43% (82 reviews) on GR

Yet games like U2 & TLOU aren't masterpieces?
Just shut up bud.

I'd say 96.43% on 82 reviews is a hell of a lot more impressive than 97.5% on 28 reviews.

Considering U2 received well over 35+ perfect reviews.
I don't know which game is better (U2 or TLOU) my point is, they are both masterpieces and have received a lot of recognition from the gaming industry.

PS - My opinion isn't based on METACRITIC. I'm using the reviews as backup to make a point. I can write an essay on why I think TLOU is a master piece but I feel like I'll be wasting my time. This is all opinion and preference.
However, me showing you how much PRAISE the game (TLOU) has received from the gaming world only solidifies my opinion of it being an epic game.

It's arguably the best game of the PS3 generation, yet we can't call it a classic?

Phuck outta here chump.

[Shade8780]

you're trolling.

this is just unreal.

[Shade8780]

:oldlol:



Fail.
Miserably.
86. :oldlol:

I totally forgot this crap is coming out this week, haha.
*picks out the most negative review he can find*

[Levity]

holy shit, westsides love for TLOU is kenneth/kobe stan status.

[West-Side]

*picks out the most negative review he can find*

:oldlol: It's the average scores of all the reviews.
You still fail to comprehend that simple concept.

[Shade8780]

im talking about the quote, not the fvcking metacritic score.

[Shade8780]

You act like Metacritic is the end all, be all of gaming reviews. You put way too much trust into it, in fact, you let it shape your own opinion. It's unbelievable.

Metacritic can never take into account all of the little variations between scoring systems that every outlet has. A 60% score on one site might mean an "average" game, but on another, 60% is an "okay" game. Then with the problem of trying to convert a "B" rank to a 100-point scale, you can start to see why Metacritic could be called "inaccurate".

As well, it uses a weighed average, which is based on the popularity of a site, which makes no sense; A 2/5 with the proper logical backing isn't any less valid on a small site vs a big one. That's dumb.

The user score altogether is just a mess. You should put zero trust in that.

Metacritic is good for getting a very rough idea of a game's quality. If it's somewhere in the 70-100 range, it's worth checking out yourself. But comparing games on their exact score is so wrong and using it to prove that one game is better than another is utterly ridiculous.

[West-Side]

You act like Metacritic is the end all, be all of gaming reviews. You put way too much trust into it, in fact, you let it shape your own opinion. It's unbelievable.

Metacritic can never take into account all of the little variations between scoring systems that every outlet has. A 60% score on one site might mean an "average" game, but on another, 60% is an "okay" game. Then with the problem of trying to convert a "B" rank to a 100-point scale, you can start to see why Metacritic could be called "inaccurate".

As well, it uses a weighed average, which is based on the popularity of a site, which makes no sense; A 2/5 with the proper logical backing isn't any less valid on a small site vs a big one. That's dumb.

The user score altogether is just a mess. You should put zero trust in that.

Metacritic is good for getting a very rough idea of a game's quality. If it's somewhere in the 70-100 range, it's worth checking out yourself. But comparing games on their exact score is so wrong and using it to prove that one game is better than another is utterly ridiculous.

I only use aggregates reviews to prove my point.
I have played games that were rated 75 (Ghost Warrior) and absolutely loved it. I felt like Max Payne 3 should have gotten a much higher score as well. I thought the mechanics of that game were superb and the storyline was very deep and dark. One of my favorite games of the last 10 years.

However, I do like to use metacritic scores when a great game is being trashed. I find it funny how people claim TLOU is overrated yet so many of my friends didn't even know its existence until I told them about it. Subsequently, all of them really loved it.

PS - I value user ratings a lot more because its a much bigger sample size.
I'd say user ratings are pretty accurate. I only ignore them with big titles like Call of Duty, Halo, Gears, Assassin Creed etc. because too many fan boys log on just to give those games a bad rating because they love its competition.

[West-Side]

im talking about the quote, not the fvcking metacritic score.

My bad homie, I was just trolling GIF a little. :oldlol:

[Shade8780]

I only use aggregates reviews to prove my point.
I have played games that were rated 75 (Ghost Warrior) and absolutely loved it. I felt like Max Payne 3 should have gotten a much higher score as well. I thought the mechanics of that game were superb and the storyline was very deep and dark. One of my favorite games of the last 10 years.

However, I do like to use metacritic scores when a great game is being trashed. I find it funny how people claim TLOU is overrated yet so many of my friends didn't even know its existence until I told them about it. Subsequently, all of them really loved it.

PS - I value user ratings a lot more because its a much bigger sample size.
I'd say user ratings are pretty accurate. I only ignore them with big titles like Call of Duty, Halo, Gears, Assassin Creed etc. because too many fan boys log on just to give those games a bad rating because they love its competition.
Do you know what overrated means?

Definition: have a higher opinion of (someone or something) than is deserved

We wouldn't be calling it overrated if it didn't have a high score in the first place!

Opinions change over time anyway. Halo 4 has fvcking 9.8/10 on IGN, yet Halo fans hate that game. MGS 4 has 10/10 and that's the worst game in the series. That's because people start to see the flaws after the 'honeymoon' phase ends, after all the reviews and hype calms down, as well as not wanting to be disappointed. TLoU suffers from that exact problem. I know that because I didn't pay much attention to the game until my sister told me to play it a year after release, therefore I didn't experience all the "omg this game is going to be the best ever thank you naughty dog" pre-release, and I subsequently thought it wasn't as good as it was hyped up to be.

[West-Side]

Do you know what overrated means?

Definition: have a higher opinion of (someone or something) than is deserved

We wouldn't be calling it overrated if it didn't have a high score in the first place!

Opinions change over time anyway. Halo 4 has fvcking 9.8/10 on IGN, yet Halo fans hate that game. MGS 4 has 10/10 and that's the worst game in the series. That's because people start to see the flaws after the 'honeymoon' phase ends, after all the reviews and hype calms down, as well as not wanting to be disappointed. TLoU suffers from that exact problem. I know that because I didn't pay much attention to the game until my sister told me to play it a year after release, therefore I didn't experience all the "omg this game is going to be the best ever thank you naughty dog" pre-release, and I subsequently thought it wasn't as good as it was hyped up to be.

So you think TLOU scoring a 95 aggregate is overrated?
IGN rated Uncharted 3 - 100, yet rated Uncharted 2 - 95.
That's why I like to use aggregate scores because it considers all the sources and calculates the average for each game.

:oldlol: You're so full of shit, that's why I will just ignore you from now on. I gave my game to friends who have never even heard of TLOU and absolutely loved it.

TLOU was released in 2013, over a year later the remastered edition was released and everyone still love it. Millions of copies were sold. What hype are you talking about? Just stick to your opinion and quit acting like everyone shares your sentiments.

[Heavincent]

Do you know what overrated means?

Definition: have a higher opinion of (someone or something) than is deserved

We wouldn't be calling it overrated if it didn't have a high score in the first place!

Opinions change over time anyway. Halo 4 has fvcking 9.8/10 on IGN, yet Halo fans hate that game. MGS 4 has 10/10 and that's the worst game in the series. That's because people start to see the flaws after the 'honeymoon' phase ends, after all the reviews and hype calms down, as well as not wanting to be disappointed. TLoU suffers from that exact problem. I know that because I didn't pay much attention to the game until my sister told me to play it a year after release, therefore I didn't experience all the "omg this game is going to be the best ever thank you naughty dog" pre-release, and I subsequently thought it wasn't as good as it was hyped up to be.

There wasn't a honeymoon period with TLOU. Pretty much everyone that loved the game when it first came still love it...TLOU Remastered got a great reaction (came out a year after the PS3 version).

There's a vocal minority that like to shit on it and call it overrated, but reception toward the game has not changed.

[Heavincent]

TLOU was released in 2013, over a year later the remastered edition was released and everyone still love it. Millions of copies were sold.

Yeah TLOU Remastered was probably the biggest game of 2014 :oldlol:

[West-Side]

The Last of Us (2013) - 5.62 million
The Last of Us Remastered (2014) - 3.27 million

Yeah so much for your "honeymoon" theory.
It only sold more copies than games like Battlefield 4, Ghosts, Arkham Knight, Black Son, Infamous and Witcher 3.

Yet it was also a "remastered" edition.

[outbreak]

Yeah TLOU Remastered was probably the biggest game of 2014 :oldlol:
The reason it was a big release for ps4 was because the ps4 had zero good games before that. I had one and it was dismal if you played multi plats on another platform.

You guys do realise the entire gaming industry is right now trying to get people to not use metacritic when looking at games don't you? Its a pretty hot issue over the last year or so in the gaming mediia6 about how flawed the system is.

[outbreak]

The Last of Us (2013) - 5.62 million
The Last of Us Remastered (2014) - 3.27 million

Yeah so much for your "honeymoon" theory.
It only sold more copies than games like Battlefield 4, Ghosts, Arkham Knight, Black Son, Infamous and Witcher 3.

Yet it was also a "remastered" edition.
The witcher 3 sold 6 million in 6 months. Arkham knight had 5 million in a few months too. Your comparing games that are still selling well to a game that has been out longer and was and still is in alot of console bundles. Tlou was a good game but come on stop being a **** please

[Shade8780]

The reason it was a big release for ps4 was because the ps4 had zero good games before that. I had one and it was dismal if you played multi plats on another platform.

You guys do realise the entire gaming industry is right now trying to get people to not use metacritic when looking at games don't you? Its a pretty hot issue over the last year or so in the gaming mediia6 about how flawed the system is.
He's a fvcking retard. Even after explaining how shit and broken it is, he goes back to Metacritic scores. It's like speaking to a brick fvcking wall. There's really no point in wasting your time arguing with him.

[Shade8780]

Yeah TLOU Remastered was probably the biggest game of 2014 :oldlol:
Beating out all-time greats like Destiny and Watch Dogs?

Seriously though, Shadow of Mordor and Dragon Age are the best games of 2014.

[West-Side]

Beating out all-time greats like Destiny and Watch Dogs?

Seriously though, Shadow of Mordor and Dragon Age are the best games of 2014.

It beat out GTA V & Infinite for GOTY in 2013.


The witcher 3 sold 6 million in 6 months. Arkham knight had 5 million in a few months too. Your comparing games that are still selling well to a game that has been out longer and was and still is in alot of console bundles. Tlou was a good game but come on stop being a **** please

PlayStation 4

TLOU - 3.27 million
Arkham City - 2.50 million
Witcher 3 - 2.29 million

Xbox One

Arkham City - 0.93 million
Witcher 3 - 0.77 million

TLOU is only exclusive on the PS4 and outsold Witcher 3.
Where the hell do you get your information from again?

Source (http://www.vgchartz.com/platform/68/xbox-one/)

[outbreak]

It beat out GTA V & Infinite for GOTY in 2013.



PlayStation 4

TLOU - 3.27 million
Arkham City - 2.50 million
Witcher 3 - 2.29 million

Xbox One

Arkham City - 0.93 million
Witcher 3 - 0.77 million

TLOU is only exclusive on the PS4 and outsold Witcher 3.
Where the hell do you get your information from again?

Source (http://www.vgchartz.com/platform/68/xbox-one/)
Google their sales and you'll find multiple news articles. Why are you linking xbox one sales only? I was wrong in my memories anyway it was 6mil in 6 weeks for witcher 3 and that was months ago. You have no idea what you are talking about anymore. Next time you make a list call it your favorite games don't call it a goat list if you have your own rules on systems you don't play.

Beat out gta v for goty? On some sites yes and on a bunch of others it lost to gta5 or Zelda. Don't misrepresent the info fool.

[West-Side]

Google their sales and you'll find multiple news articles. Why are you linking xbox one sales only? I was wrong in my memories anyway it was 6mil in 6 weeks for witcher 3 and that was months ago. You have no idea what you are talking about anymore. Next time you make a list call it your favorite games don't call it a goat list if you have your own rules on systems you don't play.

Beat out gta v for goty? On some sites yes and on a bunch of others it lost to gta5 or Zelda. Don't misrepresent the info fool.

Just click on the PS4 you ****ing moron, and you'll see the sales.

Hey goof, read very carefully.

* The Winners of this year *


The Last of Us - 249

The Critics' Picks - 191

The Readers' Picks - 58


Grand Theft Auto V - 159

The Critics' Picks - 107

The Readers' Picks - 52


Bioshock Infinite - 43

The Critics' Picks - 40

The Readers' Picks - 3

http://gotypicks.blogspot.ca/2013/09/2013-game-of-year.html

A source that highlights all that sites and their winners.

[West-Side]

[QUOTE]The Last of Us has sold 3.4 million units worldwide in its first three works according to Sony SNE +0.00%.

Earlier this year we reported that the game was also the number one launch of the year, moving 1.3 million units in its first week.

Naughty Dog

[outbreak]

Just click on the PS4 you ****ing moron, and you'll see the sales.

Hey goof, read very carefully.

* The Winners of this year *


The Last of Us - 249

The Critics' Picks - 191

The Readers' Picks - 58


Grand Theft Auto V - 159

The Critics' Picks - 107

The Readers' Picks - 52


Bioshock Infinite - 43

The Critics' Picks - 40

The Readers' Picks - 3

http://gotypicks.blogspot.ca/2013/09/2013-game-of-year.html

A source that highlights all that sites and their winners.
So it still lost on a bunch of sites? Loke metacritic those aggregates ate useless when they include all sites like the international versions of ps only magazines. Its another reason you should read up on how the industry is trying to get away from these things.

In the future say it win goty in some places.

Im not clicking on every link on your page when theres numerous others telling me the witcher 3 sold 6mil in 6 weeks which is far more than tlou remastered. Stop manipulating facts and stop making claims that aren't 100% true.

Why not link the forbes article about witcher 3 sales?
http://www.forbes.com/sites/olliebarder/2015/08/27/the-witcher-3-sold-6-million-copies-in-its-first-6-weeks/

You are acting like euroleague putting your own rules on things and ignoring things that don't fit your picture

[West-Side]

So it still lost on a bunch of sites? Loke metacritic those aggregates ate useless when they include all sites like the international versions of ps only magazines. Its another reason you should read up on how the industry is trying to get away from these things.

In the future say it win goty in some places.

Im not clicking on every link on your page when theres numerous others telling me the witcher 3 sold 6mil in 6 weeks which is far more than tlou remastered. Stop manipulating facts and stop making claims that aren't 100% true.

:facepalm

Are you for real?
You just called me out about TLOU not winning GOTY, and I gave you a source breaking down how many publishers named TLOU the winner. Beating the same game you claimed was the winner. :rolleyes: You ****ing named Zelda, a game that didn't even finish 3rd in the race.

You're so pathetic its funny, calling me out when you're talking out of your ass. I just showed you a source that said TLOU sold 3.4 million copies on ONE platform in THREE weeks. Witcher is a multi-platform game as well, and is a sequel. TLOU is a new IP and still received rediculous regocnition for a genre that's no where near as popular as an RPG or FPS or Sandbox.

That only highlights how great the game is.

[West-Side]

So it still lost on a bunch of sites? Loke metacritic those aggregates ate useless when they include all sites like the international versions of ps only magazines. Its another reason you should read up on how the industry is trying to get away from these things.

In the future say it win goty in some places.

Im not clicking on every link on your page when theres numerous others telling me the witcher 3 sold 6mil in 6 weeks which is far more than tlou remastered. Stop manipulating facts and stop making claims that aren't 100% true.

Why not link the forbes article about witcher 3 sales?
http://www.forbes.com/sites/olliebarder/2015/08/27/the-witcher-3-sold-6-million-copies-in-its-first-6-weeks/

You are acting like euroleague putting your own rules on things and ignoring things that don't fit your picture

Okay, and as of June 2014, TLOU exceeded the 7 million copies mark.
What's your point?

Games like Witcher and Call of Duty are far more popular anyways and they have the advantage of being a multi-plat game.

http://ca.ign.com/articles/2014/07/16/the-last-of-us-sales-pass-7-million-with-new-dlc-coming

That was over a year ago now.
TLOU is an exclusive as well, and the genre is action-adventure.
It's never really going to outsell a FPS game like Call of Duty or RPG like Skyrim. The fanbase is too large and they aren't exclusives.

Think before you speak.

[outbreak]

You never said you were only including certain platforms in your sales. Yes it gets a benefit being mutli plat but you never said that you just made claims as if true that weren't.

You claimed it won goty when on some sites it didnt. Goty isnt a universale award.

Quit being full of shit and quit making blanket statements that aren't true.

Its fine if you like a game and tlou is a good game but stop making silly claims. Its a video game. Some people don't enjoy things as much as you do. When you turn 13 maybe you can accept these things.

[West-Side]

You never said you were only including certain platforms in your sales. Yes it gets a benefit being mutli plat but you never said that you just made claims as if true that weren't.

You claimed it won goty when on some sites it didnt. Goty isnt a universale award.

Quit being full of shit and quit making blanket statements that aren't true.

Its fine if you like a game and tlou is a good game but stop making silly claims. Its a video game. Some people don't enjoy things as much as you do. When you turn 13 maybe you can accept these things.

Then how do you define GOTY. :oldlol:
TLOU received the most votes from game critics, so its considered the best game of the year, no?

Similar to the way in the NBA we vote for the MVP.
Kobe might receive 98 votes, Duncan 101 and Shaq 160.
Who's the winner?

Someone's butt hurt because I make too much sense.
I don't care if you don't like TLOU, to (you) it isn't one of the best games ever. To me it is.
The gaming world tends to agree a lot more with my views than yours, in regards to this particular topic.

Get over it.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

49th best. The Scottie Pippen of video games. Respekt. :applause:

As far as number of reviews, that's purely a product of the internet age. Newer games will get more reviews than older games because they're newer and will be looked at by more reviewers because the internet. We're going to fault games for the era that they were created in?

I'm not even trying to argue that Last of Us isn't a great game, just that it doesn't belong in a video game pantheon and has no case for being the GOAT game. Because it doesn't.

We seriously gonna act like Ocarina wouldn't have been praised as the GOAT by more people if there had been more people to review it? It has held up incredibly well and is still widely recognized as the GOAT game despite an influx of new titles since.

[West-Side]

49th best. The Scottie Pippen of video games. Respekt. :applause:

As far as number of reviews, that's purely a product of the internet age. Newer games will get more reviews than older games because they're newer and will be looked at by more reviewers because the internet. We're going to fault games for the era that they were created in?

I'm not even trying to argue that Last of Us isn't a great game, just that it doesn't belong in a video game pantheon and has no case for being the GOAT game. Because it doesn't.

We seriously gonna act like Ocarina wouldn't have been praised as the GOAT by more people if there had been more people to review it? It has held up incredibly well and is still widely recognized as the GOAT game despite an influx of new titles since.

That's your opinion.
And yes, Ocarina would not have received a 99 overall rating if more reviews were made about the game. I've already demonstrated to you two different sources. The reviews scores were lower as more reviews were accumulated.

It's not the 49th best game either because there are many duplicates.
For example, GTA IV is rated 98 for both PS3 & X360. GTA V is rated 97 for XONE, PS3, PC and PS4. Pro Skater 2 is rated for both PS & DC).

1) Ocarina
2) Pro Skater 2
3) GTA IV
5) SoulCalibur
6) Super Mario Galaxy
7) Super Mario Galaxy 2
8) GTA V
9) Pro Skater 3
10) Perfect Dark
11) Metroid Prime
12) GTA III
13) Halo
14) NFL 2K1
15) Half-Life 2
16) GoldenEye 007
17) Uncharted 2
18) Resident Evil 4
19) The Orange Box
20) Arkham City
21) Tekken 3
22) Mass Effect 2
23) Twilight Princess
24) Skyrim
25) Half-Life
26) The Wind Waker
27) Gran Turismo
28) BioShock
29) MGS 2

Those are the only games that are actually rated higher.
Out of those games, only seven of them have a higher user score than TLOU.
Most of these games are also on multi-platform.
Majority of those older games have less than 30 reviews.
TLOU has 98 reviews, and still maintained an impressive 95 rating.

On PS3, only Arkham City, GTA V & GTA IV have a higher critic score.
None of those games have a higher user score than TLOU.

TLOU also won GOTY over GTA V.

Yeah it has no case whatsoever.
:rolleyes:

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Ocarina still #1. :applause:


you're trolling.

this is just unreal.

Coming to the same conclusion.

[West-Side]

Ocarina still #1. :applause:



Coming to the same conclusion.

I'm interested in hearing which games qualify for the GOAT discussion?
I mean, to idiots like Shade its the MGS; despite TLOU receiving more recognition.

Name me 10 games you think are better games.

[outbreak]

Then how do you define GOTY. :oldlol:
TLOU received the most votes from game critics, so its considered the best game of the year, no?

Similar to the way in the NBA we vote for the MVP.
Kobe might receive 98 votes, Duncan 101 and Shaq 160.
Who's the winner?

Someone's butt hurt because I make too much sense.
I don't care if you don't like TLOU, to (you) it isn't one of the best games ever. To me it is.
The gaming world tends to agree a lot more with my views than yours, in regards to this particular topic.

Get over it.

GOTY awards are handed out by outlets based on different criteria and systems.

YOU need to read up on this because it's an issue the industry has been trying to fix recently. I know i have friends in the industry. Right now publishers uses things like metacritic and aggregate sites like the goty one you linked as a means to determine if a team gets their bonus and it's bullshit.

Those sites don't curate they data. They grab things from all over the shop and it can skew the results or be misleading. It's more akin to the MVP award being given out based on ALL media including ISH's opinion. It polls unreliable sources and biased sources as well as legit sources.

I'm not arguing tlou didn't win a lot of awards, the game did well and was a good game, what I am arguing is you acting like GOTY is a single award handed out. It isn't, every outlet gives it's own GOTY award and you should have posted some reliable places where it won (because it did win in many reliable places). Tlou is a good game, this has gone on too long. Your list was narrow and you've said yourself you left out a lot of games and plat forms so i think it's time to just acknowledge some people value different aspects of games and rate games differently.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Greater and better aren't the exact same thing. It's like comparing the GOAT NBA players to the most skilled; there's definite overlap but it's not absolute.

If I had to create a top 10 GOAT list(no order outside of the #1 spot):

Ocarina of Time
Diablo (though I prefer 2/3 to the original)
Half-Life (preferred the sequel, either could slot in here)
Chrono Trigger
Link to the Past
DOOM (sequel was just as good, if not better)
Super Mario 64
FFVII
Majora's Mask
Super Metroid

Games that would come close and could possibly slot in on a different day: Street Fighter II, Oblivion (ugh), Shadow of the Colossus, possibly Bioshock or the first Halo, Resident Evil 2/4, CS, Civilization, Quake, UT, TF2, WCIII, etc.

If I reworked it to include the top 10 BOAT, majority of what's there would stay but some of the fringe games that I listed might move into a spot.

[outbreak]

Greater and better aren't the exact same thing. It's like comparing the GOAT NBA players to the most skilled; there's definite overlap but it's not absolute.

If I had to create a top 10 GOAT list(no order outside of the #1 spot):

Ocarina of Time
Diablo (though I prefer 2/3 to the original)
Half-Life (preferred the sequel, either could slot in here)
Chrono Trigger
Link to the Past
DOOM (sequel was just as good, if not better)
Super Mario 64
FFVII
Majora's Mask
Super Metroid

Games that would come close and could possibly slot in on a different day: Street Fighter II, Oblivion (ugh), Shadow of the Colossus, possibly Bioshock or the first Halo, Resident Evil 2/4, CS, Civilization, Quake, UT, TF2, WCIII, etc.

If I reworked it to include the top 10 BOAT, majority of what's there would stay but some of the fringe games that I listed might move into a spot.

See I don't agree with everything on your list but it's a much more fair list imo. A list like that wouldn't make me go "wtf"

[24-Inch_Chrome]

See I don't agree with everything on your list but it's a much more fair list imo. A list like that wouldn't make me go "wtf"

I'm definitely forgetting things. There are too many great games out there, I'm looking through my Steam library now and regretting not mentioning certain series/games as being borderline already. :oldlol:

[Levity]

As far as number of reviews, that's purely a product of the internet age. Newer games will get more reviews than older games because they're newer and will be looked at by more reviewers because the internet. We're going to fault games for the era that they were created in?


this is essentially how i felt reading through all the posts in here, citing review, on top of review, on top of review.

[Heavincent]

Beating out all-time greats like Destiny and Watch Dogs?

Seriously though, Shadow of Mordor and Dragon Age are the best games of 2014.

If we're including remasters? Hell no. TLOU and GTA V absolutely shit on everything that came out that year.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

http://www.mtgeezer.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Legend-of-Zelda-Ocarina-of-Time-Title-Screen.png

GOAT. :applause:

[West-Side]

Greater and better aren't the exact same thing. It's like comparing the GOAT NBA players to the most skilled; there's definite overlap but it's not absolute.

If I had to create a top 10 GOAT list(no order outside of the #1 spot):

Ocarina of Time
Diablo (though I prefer 2/3 to the original)
Half-Life (preferred the sequel, either could slot in here)
Chrono Trigger
Link to the Past
DOOM (sequel was just as good, if not better)
Super Mario 64
FFVII
Majora's Mask
Super Metroid

Games that would come close and could possibly slot in on a different day: Street Fighter II, Oblivion (ugh), Shadow of the Colossus, possibly Bioshock or the first Halo, Resident Evil 2/4, CS, Civilization, Quake, UT, TF2, WCIII, etc.

If I reworked it to include the top 10 BOAT, majority of what's there would stay but some of the fringe games that I listed might move into a spot.

Thanks for at least sharing your list.
I think the problem we have is simply difference in preference.
A LOT of these games would never make my list, I do not play RPG's at all honestly. The most time I've spent on an RPG was with Mass Effect 2, Skyrim and Jade Empire.

I think Halo 1, BioShock, all the Zelda's, Half Life 2, Super Mario 64, Chrono Trigger would definitely be games I'd consider as the greatest of all-time.

But there's games like Oblivion and Shadows, or FF I just wouldn't. I don't enjoy them at all, and I've given them my share of time.

The thing I don't understand about your point of view is you have no problem including a game like BioShock yet you have a problem including The Last Of Us? Both have received a lot of praise from the gaming world and both are classics. There are MANY people that consider TLOU the best title during the PS3 generation.

If you receive such praise, I'm pretty sure you're worthy of being in the discussion with the best of the best.

In conclusion, we have completely different taste. I could never stand games like Diablo or Final Fantasy etc. It's also funny how you haven't mentioned a single action-adventure title; which is arguably my favorite genre. Or sandbox games (GTA, RDR) which is also a genre I love.

I also love sport games and you didn't mention NFL 2K series.

So we'll just agree to disagree on this discussion.
I have no problem whatsoever with you putting up Ocarina as the GOAT; it truly is a master-piece, and deserves the praise.

You might have a hard time believing this, but I genuinely enjoyed RDR, U2 and TLOU more. It just fits my preference more.

I like games I can beat in a week or so. Every time I start an RPG game, I get bored and quit. I did play on 3 sports teams in high school and still do baseball, golf and football regularly, which is probably why I could never get involved with an RPG game.

Anyways thanks for sharing your list.
Cheers.

[T_L_P]

It's the best game I've played.

The singleplayer deserves all the praise it gets and the online multiplayer (Factions) is pretty amazing too.

[West-Side]

It's the best game I've played.

The singleplayer deserves all the praise it gets and the online multiplayer (Factions) is pretty amazing too.

It's funny; myself, you, Heavincent and I'm sure a few others on this forum would consider TLOU a candidate for GOAT game.

I know my boy Thorpe loves that game too.
I guess this is a case of preference. I will never understand how people love games like Diablo or Oblivion, because I simply don't enjoy those type of games. But I know millions of gamers do, and I can respect them picking it as GOAT candidate.

I guess this discussion was unnecessary for the simple fact that we'll never agree. To me, TLOU is definitely a GOAT candidate but then there are people who simply don't agree and have a different game (that I don't enjoy) as a candidate.

The problem becomes simple.
We are arguing subjective matters here; I enjoy a game like TLOU because my expectations are simply different than other gamers. They prefer a role-playing game, or a FPS game and that's fine. We'll agree to disagree.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

The point that I've been trying to make is that you have to look past personal preferences when it comes to greatness, as odd as that might sound. I've come to ****ing hate Oblivion but I can still acknowledge that it was a great game, even though it wasn't one that I liked. Same thing applies to Street Fighter II (and the rest of the series/fighting genre as a whole, can't stand it anymore). A list of my 10 favourite games would look quite different (and there would probably be at least 5 Zelda titles :oldlol:).

Sports games just haven't had the same kind of impact or drawn the same kind of praise as the other titles that I listed, imo. I'm a fan of baseball games, same thing with NBA 2K, but I was trying to separate favouritism from greatness. The only two sports games that I can think of off of the top of my head that might have a shot would be Tecmo Bowl and Punch Out.

Action-adventure is a fairly broad genre though, several games that I listed could fit into it (even if only partially). Zelda, Resident Evil, Oblivion, Final Fantasy, etc. are all action-adventure games, even if they fit into different sub-genres.

:cheers:

[Shade8780]

I'm interested in hearing which games qualify for the GOAT discussion?
I mean, to idiots like Shade its the MGS; despite TLOU receiving more recognition.

Name me 10 games you think are better games.
:banghead:

i swear, i've never come across a more annoying person on the internet. you're so fvcking immature it's incredible.

[West-Side]

The point that I've been trying to make is that you have to look past personal preferences when it comes to greatness, as odd as that might sound. I've come to ****ing hate Oblivion but I can still acknowledge that it was a great game, even though it wasn't one that I liked. Same thing applies to Street Fighter II (and the rest of the series/fighting genre as a whole, can't stand it anymore). A list of my 10 favourite games would look quite different (and there would probably be at least 5 Zelda titles :oldlol:).

Sports games just haven't had the same kind of impact or drawn the same kind of praise as the other titles that I listed, imo. I'm a fan of baseball games, same thing with NBA 2K, but I was trying to separate favouritism from greatness. The only two sports games that I can think of off of the top of my head that might have a shot would be Tecmo Bowl and Punch Out.

Action-adventure is a fairly broad genre though, several games that I listed could fit into it (even if only partially). Zelda, Resident Evil, Oblivion, Final Fantasy, etc. are all action-adventure games, even if they fit into different sub-genres.

:cheers:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_video_games_considered_the_best

Well, 13 sources have considered TLOU the best game ever made.
It is by FAR the latest entry into the gaming world as well.
The 2nd entry was Shadow of the Colossus, which was developed in 2005.

I mean you did name BioShock, a game that received 14 similar considerations yet was released 6 years earlier.

Majora's Mask received 16 considerations and was released 13 years earlier.
Half-Life received 17 considerations and was released 15 years earlier.
Doom was released 20 years ago, and only received 4 more considerations.

You have to remember, TLOU was only released 2 years ago and already beat out games like Mega Man 2, Final Fantasy IV, Metroid, Mass Effect 2, Gran Turismo, Chrono Cross, Twilight Princess.

It is a worthy candidate.

[QUOTE]For some strange reason, Resident Evil 4 kept coming up in my head as I advanced through The Last of Us. Both seem like completely different games at first glance. However, the more I thought about it, the more similarities kept popping up. Not necessarily in a gaming sense, but more on a personal level. Resident Evil 4 was released in January of 2005, and completely revolutionized action games. It set the new standard and every great series from God of War to Uncharted has seen some inspiration from it. I didn

[nightlight]

Thanks for at least sharing your list.
I think the problem we have is simply difference in preference.
A LOT of these games would never make my list, I do not play RPG's at all honestly. The most time I've spent on an RPG was with Mass Effect 2, Skyrim and Jade Empire.

I think Halo 1, BioShock, all the Zelda's, Half Life 2, Super Mario 64, Chrono Trigger would definitely be games I'd consider as the greatest of all-time.

But there's games like Oblivion and Shadows, or FF I just wouldn't. I don't enjoy them at all, and I've given them my share of time.

The thing I don't understand about your point of view is you have no problem including a game like BioShock yet you have a problem including The Last Of Us? Both have received a lot of praise from the gaming world and both are classics. There are MANY people that consider TLOU the best title during the PS3 generation.

If you receive such praise, I'm pretty sure you're worthy of being in the discussion with the best of the best.

In conclusion, we have completely different taste. I could never stand games like Diablo or Final Fantasy etc. It's also funny how you haven't mentioned a single action-adventure title; which is arguably my favorite genre. Or sandbox games (GTA, RDR) which is also a genre I love.

I also love sport games and you didn't mention NFL 2K series.

So we'll just agree to disagree on this discussion.
I have no problem whatsoever with you putting up Ocarina as the GOAT; it truly is a master-piece, and deserves the praise.

You might have a hard time believing this, but I genuinely enjoyed RDR, U2 and TLOU more. It just fits my preference more.

I like games I can beat in a week or so. Every time I start an RPG game, I get bored and quit. I did play on 3 sports teams in high school and still do baseball, golf and football regularly, which is probably why I could never get involved with an RPG game.

Anyways thanks for sharing your list.
Cheers.

Without drawing from metacritic or published reviews can you tell me why YOU think ocarina is a masterpiece?

[nightprowler10]

Thanks for at least sharing your list.
I think the problem we have is simply difference in preference.

DING DING DING DING!!!

[Shade8780]

Without drawing from metacritic or published reviews can you tell me why YOU think ocarina is a masterpiece?
I've been asking that for weeks.

You're not getting it.

[West-Side]

Without drawing from metacritic or published reviews can you tell me why YOU think ocarina is a masterpiece?

I think mainly because of the story itself.
I loved the supporting characters and enemies.
But most importantly, the sense of adventure. The maturation that Link must go to succeed was great characterization. Also, the purpose of the adventure makes it extremely intriguing to play.

I am definitely a sucker for a well-written game and Ocarina really achieved that. The music was superb as well. Ultimately, it was the freedom and more importantly interactivity that I felt throughout the quest. I also thought the narrative was well developed.

Ultimately, I seem to really enjoy well written game that connect me to the characters. It is probably one of the longest games I've ever actually beaten.

(Note: I haven't played Ocarina in years though, so my memory is cloudy)

[nightlight]

Which characters? Zelda was a damsel in distress. Nothing earth shattering there. What sets it apart from a link to the past? One is a shift fomr light to dark and the other is a leap in time. Adventure? It's formulaic Zelda collect stuff, get stronger, collect more stuff, fight Gannon.

It's not fun when people attack you for having your own opinion is it?

My point is -- relax. Stop being so abrasive towards anyone with a different opinion than your own. There's no correct answer, and it doesn't make shit of a difference if metacritic falls in line with your own personal taste in gaming.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

But all of that feeds into an earlier point that I made about reviews; newer games are going to be reviewed more because there are so many more video game publications, websites, etc.

Think about where PC gaming (and really, gaming as a whole) was when DOOM was released. The majority of pre-DOOM great games were either Nintendo products or arcade style games, DOOM was something entirely different. From Wikipedia,

Doom was widely praised in the gaming press and is broadly considered to be one of the most important and influential titles in gaming history.

THAT is why it's a great game. Modern FPS games owe their existence to DOOM and a handful of other early shooters that broke ground for them. DOOM (along with DOOM II) is one of my all-time favourite games, but that's not why I think that it's great. It's great because it defined the FPS genre, drew critical acclaim, revolutionized online gaming, and continues to be a relevant part of gaming today. You guys are posting Last of Us sales that totaled what, 8-9 million between the base game and the remastered edition? That's in a modern era where everyone has a gaming system and everyone is being drawn into game releases. DOOM was played by 15-20 million people within two years of release; it was the birth of mainstream PC gaming.

That's why DOOM topping 4 lists, or whatever the number was, is irrelevant to its greatness.

Every game that I listed in my primary list, with the possible exception of Majora's Mask (which is a fringe top-10 title) was either genre or gaming defining:


Ocarina of Time
Diablo (though I prefer 2/3 to the original)
Half-Life (preferred the sequel, either could slot in here)
Chrono Trigger
Link to the Past
DOOM (sequel was just as good, if not better)
Super Mario 64
FFVII
Majora's Mask
Super Metroid

Ocarina brought graphics, storytelling, gameplay, an immersive 3D world, a near flawless combat system, etc.

Diablo was a prototypical dungeon crawler, influenced the development of future action RPGs, could be counted as an early MMO with its multiplayer component, and spawned countless Diablo imitations and clones in the same way that DOOM influenced FPS games.

Half-Life was the best post-DOOM FPS (at least partially because it brought a significant degree of originality) and brought storytelling, an immersive and detailed environment, a complex and interactive gaming experience, and was also the starting point for two of the best multiplayer FPS games ever in CS and TF2.

Every game that I listed had a similar type of effect as those listed above, though the scope differs from game to game. They're not great games because I like them, they're great games because they're pinnacles of the gaming world and just happened to be exceptional games in their own right. Preference has nothing to do with the games that I named, they're there for what they brought to the table in the immediate and distant gaming world, and their flawless execution of it.

[West-Side]

But all of that feeds into an earlier point that I made about reviews; newer games are going to be reviewed more because there are so many more video game publications, websites, etc.

Think about where PC gaming (and really, gaming as a whole) was when DOOM was released. The majority of pre-DOOM great games were either Nintendo products or arcade style games, DOOM was something entirely different. From Wikipedia,


THAT is why it's a great game. Modern FPS games owe their existence to DOOM and a handful of other early shooters that broke ground for them. DOOM (along with DOOM II) is one of my all-time favourite games, but that's not why I think that it's great. It's great because it defined the FPS genre, drew critical acclaim, revolutionized online gaming, and continues to be a relevant part of gaming today. You guys are posting Last of Us sales that totaled what, 8-9 million between the base game and the remastered edition? That's in a modern era where everyone has a gaming system and everyone is being drawn into game releases. DOOM was played by 15-20 million people within two years of release; it was the birth of mainstream PC gaming.

That's why DOOM topping 4 lists, or whatever the number was, is irrelevant to its greatness.

Every game that I listed in my primary list, with the possible exception of Majora's Mask (which is a fringe top-10 title) was either genre or gaming defining:



Ocarina brought graphics, storytelling, gameplay, an immersive 3D world, a near flawless combat system, etc.

Diablo was a prototypical dungeon crawler, influenced the development of future action RPGs, could be counted as an early MMO with its multiplayer component, and spawned countless Diablo imitations and clones in the same way that DOOM influenced FPS games.

Half-Life was the best post-DOOM FPS (at least partially because it brought a significant degree of originality) and brought storytelling, an immersive and detailed environment, a complex and interactive gaming experience, and was also the starting point for two of the best multiplayer FPS games ever in CS and TF2.

Every game that I listed had a similar type of effect as those listed above, though the scope differs from game to game. They're not great games because I like them, they're great games because they're pinnacles of the gaming world and just happened to be exceptional games in their own right. Preference has nothing to do with the games that I named, they're there for what they brought to the table in the immediate and distant gaming world, and their flawless execution of it.

So is Julius Erving better than Michael Jordan because he was considered a pioneer?

I think maybe you ought to stop mentioning why those games you mentioned are great and start realizing why so many people consider TLOU a great game.

Have you honestly even played it?

Yet, I have no case. (http://www.empireonline.com/features/100greatestgames/game.asp?title=1)

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Every game that I listed had a similar type of effect as those listed above, though the scope differs from game to game. They're not great games because I like them, they're great games because they're pinnacles of the gaming world and just happened to be exceptional games in their own right. Preference has nothing to do with the games that I named, they're there for what they brought to the table in the immediate and distant gaming world, and their flawless execution of it.

That should make it more than clear that games aren't being considered just because they're pioneers. They all remain flawless or near flawless titles today despite their age.

I have played Last of Us, though I didn't finish it. Didn't do anything special for me. I think that I mentioned earlier though, liking a game has jack shit to do with ranking with it as far as greatness. I didn't like Oblivion or Street Fighter, Civilization has fallen out of my personal favour, SC has gotten boring (just realized that I forgot to mention this in my list), etc. but I still acknowledge them as great games for what they did and what they are.

You're citing one list from a website/magazine that focuses primarily on movie reviews. Is it any surprise that they're picking a modern, plot-centric title? They have Skyrim over Oblivion and Morrowind, Call of Duty over DOOM, Tomb Raider over Majora's Mask, Diablo II without mention of the original, Chrono Trigger all the way down at 76...I could poke holes in their credibility all day.

If all you're going to post is lists/reviews, let's end this here. We're bringing fundamentally different perspectives on greatness to the table and it looks like there's no way that either of us will break ground on the other's view.

[West-Side]

That should make it more than clear that games aren't being considered just because they're pioneers. They all remain flawless or near flawless titles today despite their age.

I have played Last of Us, though I didn't finish it. Didn't do anything special for me. I think that I mentioned earlier though, liking a game has jack shit to do with ranking with it as far as greatness. I didn't like Oblivion or Street Fighter, Civilization has fallen out of my personal favour, SC has gotten boring (just realized that I forgot to mention this in my list), etc. but I still acknowledge them as great games for what they did and what they are.

You're citing one list from a website/magazine that focuses primarily on movie reviews. Is it any surprise that they're picking a modern, plot-centric title? They have Skyrim over Oblivion and Morrowind, Call of Duty over DOOM, Tomb Raider over Majora's Mask, Diablo II without mention of the original, Chrono Trigger all the way down at 76...I could poke holes in their credibility all day.

If all you're going to post is lists/reviews, let's end this here. We're bringing fundamentally different perspectives on greatness to the table and it looks like there's no way that either of us will break ground on the other's view.

Okay fair enough, and close to 75% of the games you listed didn't do anything for me. None of them were special to me, which is why so many of them I bought but never finished.

You just act like your criteria is somehow fundamentally correct when evaluating games, and mine isn't.

If you really care, I could write a detailed review on why I believe TLOU is very much a candidate but I feel like I'd be wasting my time.

[nightprowler10]

You just act like your criteria is somehow fundamentally correct when evaluating games, and mine isn't.

If you really care, I could write a detailed review on why I believe TLOU is very much a candidate but I feel like I'd be wasting my time.
Thing is though we haven't seen your criteria, just lists on top of lists.

I don't mean to speak for others, but I would like to see why you think it's the GOAT. That's what this discussion always should've been.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Impact, game quality, and originality seem like solid criteria to me, but I digress. Agree to disagree looks like all we've got. :oldlol:

[West-Side]

Ranks TLOU 16th best of all-time (http://www.businessinsider.com/the-top-50-video-games-of-all-time--ranked-2014-11?op=1)

GamesRadar ranks it 14th best (http://www.gamesradar.com/best-games-ever/)

The point I'm making is simple: it is consistently mentions among the top 20 or so best games of all time. Some lists have it in the top 10, some have in the top 5.

It's funny, I also see similarities between their lists and yours. A lot of the games you consider GOAT, are also on these same lists. Yet you think TLOU doesn't deserve to be considered with them.

[Kungfro]

Last of Us was a good game, and definitely one of the better games to come out of 2013, but I don't know about best game ever made. That's pretty high praise for a game that I don't think will have any real lasting impact on the industry.

[Heavincent]

Thing is though we haven't seen your criteria, just lists on top of lists.

I don't mean to speak for others, but I would like to see why you think it's the GOAT. That's what this discussion always should've been.

For me, the video in the OP perfectly summarizes why it's such a great game. I'll post the link again because I don't think anyone actually watched it and just focused on the list https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKzVwbs-lsg He puts it more elegantly than I ever could.

[West-Side]

Impact, game quality, and originality seem like solid criteria to me, but I digress. Agree to disagree looks like all we've got. :oldlol:

So, we'll ignore graphics, characterization, narrative, dialogue, voice acting, music, detail; essentially the things The Last Of Us thrives at, right?

At a time when blockbuster action games are sinking into a mire of desperate overproduction, shallow gameplay and broken narrative logic, The Last of Us is a deeply impressive demonstration of how it can and should be done.

That's impact. Their niche is telling a story through effective narrative and enriching dialogue. They do so by focusing on the characters and building a mature theme, and as the game progresses so does the relationship between the two characters. The people that have a problem with TLOU simply don't realize its intent, or aren't interested in playing those sort of games. There are many people who do though, and that's where we continually disagree with each other.

I'll break it down for you.

Graphics: By most eyes, it is the best looking game on the PS3.

Characterization: The flowering of Joel's unwilling guardianship into fatherly affection runs a predictable course and is initially slow to engage. But writer and creative director Neil Druckmann builds both characters, Joel especially, with real patience and skill, using gradually layered detail and dropped hints, never forcing it.

Narrative: The challenge offered by puzzles or obstacles is only very mild, but that's not the point. These sections offer a chance to drink in the game's striking sights and its potent atmosphere of peaceful desolation - which is given ample room to breathe by the extremely sparing use of music.

Dialogue: The seasons change and the pair have to fight off bandits and scrape together what they can from their surroundings to survive, often travelling on foot, sometimes on horseback. It's the classic journey into the west, the pioneer's tale - but turned on its head, because this anti-Western isn't about the birth of a nation. It's about the death of one. This melancholy twist is just one of several things that lifts The Last of Us far above its clich

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Does game quality not encompass all of that? It's obviously going to be relative based on the era in question but I thought it was pretty clear that game quality evaluates the actual quality of the game... :confusedshrug:

[West-Side]

Does game quality not encompass all of that? It's obviously going to be relative based on the era in question but I thought it was pretty clear that game quality evaluates the actual quality of the game... :confusedshrug:

What does BioShock do that TLOU doesn't?

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Last of Us was a good game, and definitely one of the better games to come out of 2013, but I don't know about best game ever made. That's pretty high praise for a game that I don't think will have any real lasting impact on the industry.

This is where I'm at. If it had come out in the mid-2000s or earlier, possibly a different story, but I'm not sure what it really adds now.


What does BioShock do that TLOU doesn't?

BioShock was more creative in its story/world. I thought that there was more meat to its story and underlying themes, more depth to its dialogue, concept of morality was an interesting one. The combat system was more diverse, complex, and creative with the plasmids. It was spectacular as far as atmosphere, especially for how immersive it was, not a game that I enjoyed playing late at night. Big Daddies/Little Sisters were fantastic characters and a big part of what made BioShock so memorable, even to more casual fans. It was also a multi-platform game, something that makes development and release significantly more difficult. I remember being wowed by the graphics when I first played it in a way that newer games just don't accomplish because we've become so accustomed to it.

What's more, it accomplished all of this back in 2007. BioShock was a greater achievement in 2007 than Last of Us was in 2013.

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DING DING DING DING!!!
He will say this then go back to using aggregate sources to claim hd can prove its the best game ever. Still hasn't realised people arent having a go at him so much for the games he chose on their own but the way he presented them, if you list best games of all time you can't exclude genres her because you don't like them. Then the list is your favorite games which is fine but that's a different list.

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What does BioShock do that TLOU doesn't?
Got the gameplay and story right. Tlou had too many flaws, imo its sequol is going to be an all time great ince they refine it and break up the monotonous shooting. With a few tweaks tlou could have been my favourite game of its generation.....

[West-Side]

This is where I'm at. If it had come out in the mid-2000s or earlier, possibly a different story, but I'm not sure what it really adds now.



BioShock was more creative in its story/world. I thought that there was more meat to its story and underlying themes, more depth to its dialogue, concept of morality was an interesting one. The combat system was more diverse, complex, and creative with the plasmids. It was spectacular as far as atmosphere, especially for how immersive it was, not a game that I enjoyed playing late at night. Big Daddies/Little Sisters were fantastic characters and a big part of what made BioShock so memorable, even to more casual fans. It was also a multi-platform game, something that makes development and release significantly more difficult. I remember being wowed by the graphics when I first played it in a way that newer games just don't accomplish because we've become so accustomed to it.

What's more, it accomplished all of this back in 2007. BioShock was a greater achievement in 2007 than Last of Us was in 2013.

Back in 2007? You act as if it did so on a different console?
Naughty Dog have crafted arguably the two best looking games during the last generation, isn't that an achievement in itself?

You really told me nothing at all. You're telling me your opinion and comparing it to a game you never even finished. I mean; more creative, deeper dialogue, better atmosphere, more immersive?

Do me a favor and stop comparing them. You clearly have little knowledge about TLOU and have already admitted about not even finishing it. This is coming from a person that's beaten BioShock at least twice, probably more. I haven't played it in a long time but it didn't capture me the same way TLOU did. It did all those things extremely well no doubt and I have no problem with you naming it as a candidate; but to me TLOU was far more memorable.

I wanted to replay the game the next week and explore the world more. I'm not sure if you actually took the time to explore what Naughty Dog created. The letters, journals, newspaper clips, cassette's etc. All of those items made you feel hopeless and isolated from the human race. The atmosphere was extremely intense. The Hotel Basement mission was far and away scarier than anything I've encountered in BioShock. There was a ton of morality aspects to the game as well. The entire damn game had questions of morality. The very theme was all about morality; do we sacrifice the girl to save the human race? Even if the chances of the cure is slim to none?

The combat I absolutely loved. WAY better than BioShock and it's funny how you think the complete opposite. :rolleyes: The game features a 50 some year old protagonist, so I loved how they made his movements slow. If anyone actually noticed, when you play Ellie later in the game, her movements are much more fluid and faster. I loved the fact they went that extra mile. The entire game is a work of art to me. The way you have to kneel down to open up your back pack in real time just adds to the tension of the game. You don't know when the enemy will spot you or appear so you must be cautious at all times. The way Joel moves slowly add realism.

Everything you've said is simply your opinion though. I just find it funny how you can sit there and criticize my opinion, yet are able to fairly compare two games [one of which you just admitted to never finishing].

So how exactly is the theme and dialogue of BioShock deeper and more complex? How can you actually evaluate that without finishing both games.

From my experience, the people that feel that TLOU is overrated are people who don't value that type of genre. Zelda is not the same formula as TLOU. It is an action-adventure, but it has other elements in it. Its emphasizing highly on puzzle solving and open-world environments. It adds the freedom, which makes it more like an RPG game since it has role-playing elements in it.

To me, a game with a realistic human element is really important and if they create an atmosphere that truly makes it believable to me, then it really adds significant value to me as a gamer.

You speak about the graphics as if you're more impressed by BioShock than by TLOU. :facepalm I promise you it has much more to do with it being one of the newer games to come out on the PS3. TLOU quite easily smashes BioShock to pieces when it comes to graphics and detail, and please stop overrating its graphics; there were numerous games that looked as beautiful as BioShock around that time.

Heck, Uncharted 2 came out in 2009 and it quite easily surpasses it.

[Heavincent]

Bioshock blows its load before the final act. Everything after the twist is kind of crap.

TLOU had more interesting gameplay imo. The main strength of the game is how it combines story and gameplay. The pacing is masterfully done. It's not just an endless shooting gallery. There are a lot of quiet moments where you just take in the environment...these are some of the best moments in the game imo. I loved looking at the diary entries and notes you'd find. Great use of environmental storytelling. These quieter moments also made the action scenes and combat scenarios far more impactful and memorable. A lot of games get this wrong (Tomb Raider 2013, Bioshock Infinite, etc). These aren't bad games, but there's a jarring distinction between gameplay and story. It's like they are separate entities. On the other hand, TLOU weaves them together really well imo. It makes perfect sense for Joel to be a badass killer...dude has been surviving in the apocalypse for 20 years, so he knows his shit.

[Levity]

I love the last of us, but it amazes me that you guys can type encyclopedias full of praise for a game that is pretty linear compared to a lot of the other games being mentioned on here that are being discredited by you know who.

[West-Side]

I love the last of us, but it amazes me that you guys can type encyclopedias full of praise for a game that is pretty linear compared to a lot of the other games being mentioned on here that are being discredited by you know who.

There are movies that are 90 minutes long that are better than movies that are 4 hours long. The Last of Us is linear in level design (to a degree) but its intention is to immerse you in its story, not to ****ing upgrade your magic or sword skills, or walk around aimlessly to find side quests.

If that's your thing, then cool. I don't enjoy RPG games, I have a life outside my couch but please stop discrediting TLoU because it's "linear". Uncharted 2 is another linear game that the gaming world absolutely cherishes.

This always happens though; gamers who will argue endlessly about what they consider great games. At the end of the day, we will never convince each other of the contrary. I have a very specific preference in games and I simply don't see the "greatness" from other titles, the same way you guys don't see the "greatness" from story-driven [linear] games like The Last Of Us.

It really doesn't make it worse, it just means your set of metrics are different than mine, when it comes to evaluating games.

With that I'm done with this conversation, I'm exhausted now.

:cheers:

[Heavincent]

I love the last of us, but it amazes me that you guys can type encyclopedias full of praise for a game that is pretty linear compared to a lot of the other games being mentioned on here that are being discredited by you know who.


Yeah, it's linear, but it also has a lot of different ways to approach each encounter.

Being linear isn't necessarily bad and being open world isn't necessarily good. Would TLOU be better if it was an open world Ubisoft collectathon? **** no.

In fact, I'd say we need more tight and well paced linear games rather than Ubisoft style open world checklist games.

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There are movies that are 90 minutes long that are better than movies that are 4 hours long. The Last of Us is linear in level design (to a degree) but its intention is to immerse you in its story, not to ****ing upgrade your magic or sword skills, or walk around aimlessly to find side quests.

If that's your thing, then cool. I don't enjoy RPG games, I have a life outside my couch but please stop discrediting TLoU because it's "linear". Uncharted 2 is another linear game that the gaming world absolutely cherishes.

This always happens though; gamers who will argue endlessly about what they consider great games. At the end of the day, we will never convince each other of the contrary. I have a very specific preference in games and I simply don't see the "greatness" from other titles, the same way you guys don't see the "greatness" from story-driven [linear] games like The Last Of Us.

It really doesn't make it worse, it just means your set of metrics are different than mine, when it comes to evaluating games.

With that I'm done with this conversation, I'm exhausted now.

:cheers:
Holy shit you miss the point over and over again. Doesn't need to be an rpg. Plenty of third person games are linear but they hide it and break it up with set pieces and puzzles. Tlou doesnt do that. Its corridors after corridors leading to telegraphed shoot outs. Naughty dog themselves had said they need to address it in the future because they aren't happy with how that turned out but you want to act like its not an issue lol

[Heavincent]

Holy shit you miss the point over and over again. Doesn't need to be an rpg. Plenty of third person games are linear but they hide it and break it up with set pieces and puzzles. Tlou doesnt do that. Its corridors after corridors leading to telegraphed shoot outs. Naughty dog themselves had said they need to address it in the future because they aren't happy with how that turned out but you want to act like its not an issue lol

Um no. In fact, a lot of the gameplay mechanics of TLOU have carried over to Uncharted 4. Devs said so themselves. You can see it in this demo with the way the player organically weaves between stealth and open combat: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow2cL-pp6p8

[24-Inch_Chrome]

I have a very specific preference in games and I simply don't see the "greatness" from other titles, the same way you guys don't see the "greatness" from story-driven [linear] games like The Last Of Us.

I had a full reply typed up but this snippet sums up why you shouldn't be a part of this conversation. You're incapable of acknowledging greatness beyond your personal preferences, which basically means that any conception of greatness that you have is purely indicative of your favourite (wholly subjective) games rather than truly great games, the ones that are widely acknowledged as such.

I can (and do) appreciate story-driven, linear games. Along with several other genres. As do other posters. Don't try dismissing criticism by taking that weak escape. It's not the genre that's drawing criticism, it's your overestimation of the quality of the game.

I can look beyond what I like and understand why a game that I don't like is great. That is where we differ. I can look beyond personal preferences, you can't. Which is fine, but it's time to stop calling games "great" and start calling them what they really are, your favourites.

Keep the blinders on. :cheers:

[nightprowler10]

For me, the video in the OP perfectly summarizes why it's such a great game. I'll post the link again because I don't think anyone actually watched it and just focused on the list https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKzVwbs-lsg He puts it more elegantly than I ever could.
That was a good watch. I agree with a lot of what he said, though it seemed like something from a fan's perspective and not critical at all. He seemed to have glossed over is that the gun play was not as good as it could've been. It's been too long but I remember playing it and thinking "boy do I miss the gun play from Uncharted 2". I also feel like with TLOU ND were able to achieve a lot of what they did by making it so linear. I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing at all but it's something you have to keep in mind when comparing to other games.

[West-Side]

I had a full reply typed up but this snippet sums up why you shouldn't be a part of this conversation. You're incapable of acknowledging greatness beyond your personal preferences, which basically means that any conception of greatness that you have is purely indicative of your favourite (wholly subjective) games rather than truly great games, the ones that are widely acknowledged as such.

I can (and do) appreciate story-driven, linear games. Along with several other genres. As do other posters. Don't try dismissing criticism by taking that weak escape. It's not the genre that's drawing criticism, it's your overestimation of the quality of the game.

I can look beyond what I like and understand why a game that I don't like is great. That is where we differ. I can look beyond personal preferences, you can't. Which is fine, but it's time to stop calling games "great" and start calling them what they really are, your favourites.

Keep the blinders on. :cheers:

1) You admitted to never even finishing The Last Of Us.
2) I've sourced many articles explaining to you why they consider The Last of Us one of the greatest games ever developed.
3) Those people make a living writing articles and critiquing games.
4) What exactly makes your opinion more valid than theirs?
5) I've wrote my own explanation of why I think TLOU deserves such praise.

All you've done is list a bunch of games YOU consider deserve such recognition and proceeded to trash my opinion. Constantly dismissing every source I've cited or every opinion I've given. Then, you create a smoke screen and try to validate your opinion as bias free by mentioning how you "dislike" some of the games on your list.


I can look beyond personal preferences, you can't. Which is fine, but it's time to stop calling games "great" and start calling them what they really are, your favourites.

:facepalm What a dipshit you are.


As an experience, The Last of Us is powerful, emotionally draining and absolutely one of the finest games of this generation.

[QUOTE]The Last of Us is a sobering conclusion to Naughty Dog

[24-Inch_Chrome]

You condemned yourself by your own hand. Not sure why you're still posting. :confusedshrug:

[West-Side]

I can (and do) appreciate story-driven, linear games. Along with several other genres. As do other posters. Don't try dismissing criticism by taking that weak escape. It's not the genre that's drawing criticism, it's your overestimation of the quality of the game.

I can look beyond what I like and understand why a game that I don't like is great. That is where we differ. I can look beyond personal preferences, you can't. Which is fine, but it's time to stop calling games "great" and start calling them what they really are, your favourites.

Keep the blinders on. :cheers:

I don't even know why you're posting.
You just admitted that The Last Of Us isn't a "great" game, and earlier in this thread admitted that you've never even finished it.

Then...


BioShock was more creative in its story/world. I thought that there was more meat to its story and underlying themes, more depth to its dialogue, concept of morality was an interesting one. The combat system was more diverse, complex, and creative with the plasmids. It was spectacular as far as atmosphere, especially for how immersive it was, not a game that I enjoyed playing late at night. Big Daddies/Little Sisters were fantastic characters and a big part of what made BioShock so memorable, even to more casual fans. It was also a multi-platform game, something that makes development and release significantly more difficult. I remember being wowed by the graphics when I first played it in a way that newer games just don't accomplish because we've become so accustomed to it.

Proceeded to evaluate both games.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Keep them blinders on. :cheers:

[24-Inch_Chrome]

You're dedicating yourself to arguing an absolutely retarded perspective...but it's the internet, so you're free to do so.

[Ai2death]

Hory Shieet, you're all still going??? :roll:

[West-Side]

You're dedicating yourself to arguing an absolutely retarded perspective...but it's the internet, so you're free to do so.

You said:


I can look beyond what I like and understand why a game that I don't like is great. That is where we differ. I can look beyond personal preferences, you can't. Which is fine, but it's time to stop calling games "great" and start calling them what they really are, your favourites.

#11 Best of All-Time (http://www.stuff.tv/features/best-games-ever-20-greatest-games-all-time/15-street-fighter-ii-1991)

14th Best of All-Time (http://www.gamesradar.com/best-games-ever/)

25th Best of All-Time (http://www.popularmechanics.com/culture/gaming/g134/the-100-greatest-video-games-of-all-time/)

16th Best of All-Time (http://www.businessinsider.com/the-top-50-video-games-of-all-time--ranked-2014-11?op=1)

3rd Best of All-Time (http://nintendoeverything.com/edge-ranks-the-100-greatest-video-games/)

Empire named it #1 Best.

Funny thing is I see a lot of the games you've mentioned on these lists, and some of them don't even make it on these lists (top 100). Yet, these first 5 lists I came across (post-2013) all included The Last Of Us.

:rolleyes:

Who's biased here buddy?

[24-Inch_Chrome]

I can't help it if this retardation has become contagious and spread through the internet. :confusedshrug:

All you have is a handful of lists and metacritic, I have yet to see how Last of Us has impacted anything. It's quality, while high, isn't higher than the true GOAT or top 10 candidates. It's a pretty game that may be great in the here and now, it's not much more than that.

You're admittedly unable to see greatness outside of your favourite genres so again, I'm not sure why you're still posting.

I have nothing against Last of Us, I just hate how overrated it has become.

[West-Side]

In my opinion, The Last Of Us isn't a great game. I think every person that thinks otherwise is a retard. I proceeded to tell you why BioShock was better, even though I never even finished TLOU myself. In the end, I called you out for your bias perspective yet I'm the one who doesn't like linear action-adventure genre [even though I pretend I do, just to make my opinion seem less bias and more valid]. Even though many critics love this game, I think they are retards. They only get paid good money to play all these games and write informative reviews to the public. I am a far more reliable source, because I'm bias free and am far more rehearsed at properly evaluating video games.


Joining the Empire Online's 5/5 and OPM UK's 10/10, we now have Edge adding their own accolades for The Last of Us - but we don't have access to the whole review quite yet (embargo lifts on June 5th).

What we do have is preroll ads on youtube videos which have leaked the surprisingly high score (Edge is known for being quite critical);

For reference, here are their previous (and to my knowledge only) 10/10s, thanks @ Neogaf user StevePharma

Super Mario 64; Nintendo 64
Gran Turismo; PlayStation
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time; Nintendo 64
Halo: Combat Evolved; Xbox
Half-Life 2; Windows
Halo 3; Xbox 360
The Orange Box; Windows, Xbox 360
Super Mario Galaxy; Wii
Grand Theft Auto IV; PlayStation 3, Xbox 360
LittleBigPlanet; PlayStation 3
Bayonetta; PlayStation 3, Xbox 360
Super Mario Galaxy 2; Wii
Rock Band 3; PlayStation 3, Xbox 360
The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword; Wii

Yep, not a great game.
You've convinced me, everyone's a retard that likes it.

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Um no. In fact, a lot of the gameplay mechanics of TLOU have carried over to Uncharted 4. Devs said so themselves. You can see it in this demo with the way the player organically weaves between stealth and open combat: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow2cL-pp6p8

Again you are ignoring issues and changing to something else. UC's stealth was a let down and tlou can add to it in that area. Doesn't change the fact tlou lacked set pieces and used too many funnel level designs. It has gameplay flaws. Doesn't mean you can't love it but if you can't admit it then it's like talking to a brick wall.

[Kungfro]

Hory Shieet, you're all still going??? :roll:

This is the most active the video game forum has been in years.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2817947/billbored.gif

Seriously, keep shit-posting. All hail Rock Band 3, newest entry to the top 10. :roll:

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anyone here play the order? Is it as bad as people said it was? I just got that and transformers devastation as presents. I've heard good things about tranformers (like a generation 1 tv show and i loved gen 1 as a kid) but haven't heard much beyond the bad reviews for the order. I'm hoping it's like ryse where the reviewers picked it apart but if you actually play the game properly it's still fun.

[nightprowler10]

anyone here play the order? Is it as bad as people said it was? I just got that and transformers devastation as presents. I've heard good things about tranformers (like a generation 1 tv show and i loved gen 1 as a kid) but haven't heard much beyond the bad reviews for the order. I'm hoping it's like ryse where the reviewers picked it apart but if you actually play the game properly it's still fun.
I've never heard anything good about it.

[Shade8780]

I really don't know how these guys have the energy. West-Side can clock in posts with ten paragraphs over and over and over, all over this stupid fvcking game.

I kind of just gave up.

[Rondooooooooooo]

anyone here play the order? Is it as bad as people said it was? I just got that and transformers devastation as presents. I've heard good things about tranformers (like a generation 1 tv show and i loved gen 1 as a kid) but haven't heard much beyond the bad reviews for the order. I'm hoping it's like ryse where the reviewers picked it apart but if you actually play the game properly it's still fun.

Never played the order, but from what I read the gameplay is really short in the story, and underwhelming.

From what I saw it looked pretty interesting though......

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Never played the order, but from what I read the gameplay is really short in the story, and underwhelming.

From what I saw it looked pretty interesting though......

Yeah most reviews I saw just went on and on about the length. Seemed like a big let down at the time but I'm hoping it is a decent game now that it's cheap (free in my case)

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Yeah most reviews I saw just went on and on about the length. Seemed like a big let down at the time but I'm hoping it is a decent game now that it's cheap (free in my case)

I can remember seeing trailers for it, it looked cool as far as concept/atmosphere.

[Ai2death]

This is the most active the video game forum has been in years.

I know :facepalm that's sad

[Ai2death]

anyone here play the order? Is it as bad as people said it was? I just got that and transformers devastation as presents. I've heard good things about tranformers (like a generation 1 tv show and i loved gen 1 as a kid) but haven't heard much beyond the bad reviews for the order. I'm hoping it's like ryse where the reviewers picked it apart but if you actually play the game properly it's still fun.

Is that the cell shaded transformer game??? If it's good let me know, interested af for that

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Is that the cell shaded transformer game??? If it's good let me know, interested af for that
http://assets1.ignimgs.com/2015/06/13/transblogrolljpg-b7ac1c_1280w.jpg

http://blogs-images.forbes.com/olliebarder/files/2015/08/tfd_new1.jpg

Yeah cut scenes look just like the cartoon. It's meant to be a pretty straight forward brawler I think but I'm a fan of the old arcade beat em up games so I'm hoping this is a bit of fun.

[Ai2death]

http://assets1.ignimgs.com/2015/06/13/transblogrolljpg-b7ac1c_1280w.jpg

http://blogs-images.forbes.com/olliebarder/files/2015/08/tfd_new1.jpg

Yeah cut scenes look just like the cartoon. It's meant to be a pretty straight forward brawler I think but I'm a fan of the old arcade beat em up games so I'm hoping this is a bit of fun.

Hopefully its ok, i'll probably get it once it drops in price, could get repetitive quick

[Heavincent]

Such a great soundtrack https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dA7JZCo1Oi8

[GIF REACTION]

Halo soundtracks>>>>

[West-Side]

So, Rock Band 3 isn't a great game?
If you're going to lecture someone about preference, you should take your own advice and stop being so damn biased.

It's clear as day that the games you consider great are just games you enjoy playing, nothing more.

TLOU, only 2nd game in modern day history to receive over 40 perfect reviews [2003 - 2015].

But...but...but...it's not great.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Going back to number of reviews? That's been explained more than once, not sure why it's not sinking in. :confusedshrug:

Continue living by metascores, you're free to do so.

Rock Band is for ****ing casuals. bait lol

[West-Side]

Going back to number of reviews? That's been explained more than once, not sure why it's not sinking in. :confusedshrug:

Continue living by metascores, you're free to do so.

Rock Band is for ****ing casuals. bait lol

Sure, it is for casuals; but is it not a great game? It might lack originality [since its a sequel], but in a way these games revolutionized our very social settings as human beings. I know people that never even touched a controller, play Rock Band and love it. To them it isn't even playing a video game, it's having a social outing with friends. So yeah I'd say the quality is there and the impact was significant. Its a game that highly influenced human interaction.

As far as TLOU,

Think of it this way; many of the games you considered on your list were listed on the list I provided [Edge Magazine]. It so happens that The Last Of Us was also on the list. That's why I brought it up, to expose the fraud that you are. Every thing I've said about reviews, awards and other accomplishments is simply a testament to how great the game is. Of course your dumb ass will overlook because the game doesn't suit your "criteria" or shall I say your preference.

But I guess there's a big conspiracy going on in the market, since 24-Inch-Chrome on InsideHoops forum doesn't believe it's a great game [that he never even finished, or probably played], than the game must be extremely overrated if its getting so much praise from the gaming community.

[GIF REACTION]

Singstar has more replay value than TLOU

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Continue living by metascores, you're free to do so.

Leave the real discussion of greatness to those of us who know what we're talking about.

[West-Side]

Continue living by metascores, you're free to do so.

Leave the real discussion of greatness to those of us who know what we're talking about.

The greatest sign of defeat.
You essentially became a troll in the last 24 hours, after I thoroughly destroyed you. You have no substance to share anymore. You were exposed, now run along with your tail tucked in.

I'm ignoring you from now on, you're a useless condescending *** stain.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

You were never able to make a good case for Last of Us over any of the ten games I listed. Stay mad.

Stick to the metascores kiddo. It's your world, we're all just living in it.

[Shade8780]

lawd jesus west-side

you are one dumb motherfvcker

[Heavincent]

I can kind of understand west side's argument. He says "TLOU is one of the best games to me", then somebody says "yeah, well that's just you", so as a retort he posts reviews and awards to illustrate that the game is generally looked at as a huge accomplishment and a benchmark.

I mean, the amount of awards it won is kind of unprecedented. It was basically the consensus GOTY in a year when GTA V and Bioshock Infinite came out. Does that mean anything? I don't know, depends who you talk to. If you don't give a shit about critic's opinions, that's totally fine. Skyrim won tons of awards and it's honestly one of my least favorite games that I own.

To act like it isn't one of the most critically acclaimed games of all time is a little dishonest imo. That obviously doesn't mean you have to like it, but lets not try to rewrite history here.

[Levity]

So, Rock Band 3 isn't a great game?


yeah i have it up there with dance dance revolution and ravers revolution...

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Did anyone say that it wasn't critically acclaimed?

The whole point has been that there is so much more to evaluating a truly great game than Metacritic.

[West-Side]

Did anyone say that it wasn't critically acclaimed?

The whole point has been that there is so much more to evaluating a truly great game than Metacritic.

You're dense, truly.
I've already given my personal opinion about the game, I explained to you why I consider it great. Just like you did when you were describing what makes BioShock great.

I simply provided all the outside sources as supplemental information.
You keep mentioning how "metacritic" is irrelevant,
But why? All it is, is a website that collects and organizes all the reviews from critics and gives a platform for gamers to rate the game.

I've played games that received good scores (85-90) that I hate, and played games with low scores that I loved. So I agree, that it can be somewhat misleading. But what you need to realize is that when I judge a particular game, it is MY opinion. As in, ONE person who didn't like the game. It doesn't necessarily mean it isn't a great game because I didn't like it. That's what I think metacritic does prove. There are games that are rated 90-92 based on the aggregate score from all the critics; and it's far more relevant if there are many reviews (say 60+).

Then, this source is a pretty good indication of the quality of the game.
That's why I brought that up.
I also backed my argument with the sales the game generated and the amount of awards it received from gaming websites.

I just love how geeks like you try to dismiss these resources whenever they don't agree with your evaluation of a game.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

You were never able to make a good case for Last of Us over any of the ten games I listed. Stay mad.

Stick to the metascores kiddo. It's your world, we're all just living in it.

Still relevant.

[outbreak]

I can kind of understand west side's argument. He says "TLOU is one of the best games to me", then somebody says "yeah, well that's just you", so as a retort he posts reviews and awards to illustrate that the game is generally looked at as a huge accomplishment and a benchmark.

I mean, the amount of awards it won is kind of unprecedented. It was basically the consensus GOTY in a year when GTA V and Bioshock Infinite came out. Does that mean anything? I don't know, depends who you talk to. If you don't give a shit about critic's opinions, that's totally fine. Skyrim won tons of awards and it's honestly one of my least favorite games that I own.

To act like it isn't one of the most critically acclaimed games of all time is a little dishonest imo. That obviously doesn't mean you have to like it, but lets not try to rewrite history here.

Don't use quotes when you are saying things that someone didn't say. He said it was the best game ever made. Not the best game to him. He made a blanket statement. People disagreed. He should have worded it like you did and there's no issue. Same with his list of top 10 games, don't make it a greatest of all time list if you are going to admit you've barely played a bunch of systems and you don't like a bunch of genres.

[nightprowler10]

Hey guys, remember when we were having this discussion in a less retarded fashion? Good times.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=302456&page=16

P.S: Question for Heavincent, did you always rate Chaos Theory so highly or did you do some soul searching after I kept bringing it up? (I forget which thread)

[nightprowler10]

I'm going to digress a little here. The way things go, the legacy of TLoU will be somewhat dependent on what ND does with the franchise. It's patently unfair but that's just how people think. Just look at Assassin's Creed. I was reading through some older threads here and other forums I post at, and AC2 was consistently making a lot of people's top 5/top 10 lists from the last gen a good 3 years after it's release. But because of the yearly releases and the way Ubisoft has turned the franchise into an ungodly mess, it's very unpopular to say anything positive about anything AC related.

Luckily, TLoU is in the hands of Naughty Dog, who has already had a GREAT track record in how they treat their IPs.

[outbreak]

I'm going to digress a little here. The way things go, the legacy of TLoU will be somewhat dependent on what ND does with the franchise. It's patently unfair but that's just how people think. Just look at Assassin's Creed. I was reading through some older threads here and other forums I post at, and AC2 was consistently making a lot of people's top 5/top 10 lists from the last gen a good 3 years after it's release. But because of the yearly releases and the way Ubisoft has turned the franchise into an ungodly mess, it's very unpopular to say anything positive about anything AC related.

Luckily, TLoU is in the hands of Naughty Dog, who has already had a GREAT track record in how they treat their IPs.

Happens with a lot of games, you could look at things like sim-city 2000 which would be one of the top sim\strategy type games but it's not cool to like those series any more.

People make fun of the first AC game now but it was amazing at launch.

[nightprowler10]

People make fun of the first AC game now but it was amazing at launch.
Absolutely. So many games borrowed from AC, and continue to do so. There was a thread on Reddit recently that talked about AC1 and apparently people still play it to this day with the HUD turned off and the settings turned to max. It was a beautiful setting for a game with a great storyline and experimented with unique gameplay mechanics, and though repetitive, still had some replay value due to the fact that you could approach every kill in a variety of ways.

[Ai2death]

Absolutely. So many games borrowed from AC, and continue to do so. There was a thread on Reddit recently that talked about AC1 and apparently people still play it to this day with the HUD turned off and the settings turned to max. It was a beautiful setting for a game with a great storyline and experimented with unique gameplay mechanics, and though repetitive, still had some replay value due to the fact that you could approach every kill in a variety of ways.

I played AC 1 for ages, i think it burnt me out on most of the series though, honestly, not much has changed since, However i did love Blackflag, which i also played for ages and is probably the reason i haven't played any since.

I think they approached it wrong trying to release one every year like a sports franchise. One every 2/3 years could have worked really well for them.

[West-Side]

In the end, this game is on the very short list for my best games ever. Certainly in the top three for this generation with Uncharted 2, and Red Dead Redemption. I'm putting in my original Zelda, Metroid, RE1 and 2, Vice City area as well. It's that good. - Thorpe.

One of the most respected posters, said this in the other thread on page 7.
No surprise, outrage was the only poster that was trashing the game. :oldlol:

Everyone absolutely loved it.

[West-Side]

GameTrailers gave The Last Of Us 98.
Just to put things in perspective, I believe it is the highest score given to the current console game ever (on PS3).

Some notable titles that were reviewed by GameTrailers:

RDR - 95
Uncharted - 93
Arkham City - 93
Uncharted 3 - 95
Halo 3 - 98
BioShock - 95
BioShock Infinite - 94
The Orange Box - 93

Halo 3 & The Last of Us are the highest rated current gen games according to that site. Pretty impressive.

By rhytmic thesis, in the same thread.

Yet it has no basis for being considered by some the greatest game of all-time. YAWN. :lol

[24-Inch_Chrome]

You were never able to make a good case for Last of Us over any of the ten games I listed. Stay mad.

Stick to the metascores kiddo. It's your world, we're all just living in it.

[GIF REACTION]

Halo 3 better than this game

15 mil sale on a single console