Has a team ever tried as hard as Cleveland currently is to BUY a championship?

[JerrySeinfeld]

LeBron, Irving, and Love all getting the max
Tristan Thompson is now making 17M a year.
Varejao and Shumpert making 10M a year each
JR and Mozgov at 5M a year each
Mo Williams getting like half the MLE, 2M for the year
Rest of the guys are vet min or near it

Has a team ever had a payroll like this?

[RedBlackAttack]

LeBron, Irving, and Love all getting the max
Tristan Thompson is now making 17M a year.
Varejao and Shumpert making 10M a year each
JR and Mozgov at 5M a year each
Mo Williams getting like half the MLE, 2M for the year
Rest of the guys are vet min or near it

Has a team ever had a payroll like this?
The 2012-13 Nets actually had a higher payroll.

[JerrySeinfeld]

The 2012-13 Nets actually had a higher payroll.

No fkn way... really? I didn't think they paid up as much outside of their big 3, since CLE basically has a big 4 with two other dudes getting 10M a year + two others adding up for 10M :roll: :roll: :roll:

Holy shit if thats true then that team was a complete and utter failure

[All Net]

The 2012-13 Nets actually had a higher payroll.

Which they will be paying for it for years to come

[I<3NBA]

OP has been living under a rock

[JerrySeinfeld]

OP has been living under a rock

I knew the Nets would come up, just didn't think they actually came close to what CLE has paid this year now that Thompson is getting all that money

[ralph_i_el]

It's almost like the salary cap keeps going up!

[RedBlackAttack]

It was actually the 2013-14 Nets, for the record.


Though the tax won't be calculated until the end of the season, and the Cavs have only 14 guaranteed contracts, they are now in line to pay in excess of $60 million in luxury tax, which would be the second highest on record.

Including salaries and tax, the Cavs are likely to spend more than $170 million on this season's roster, the second-highest number in league history behind the 2013-14 Brooklyn Nets. The Nets spent $197 million that season, including a record $90.5 million in tax.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/13942794/cleveland-cavaliers-tristan-thompson-agree-5-year-82-million-deal

Huge payrolls don't always equal success. Among the highest numbers in league history are not just the 2014 Nets, but the 2012 Lakers.

This is just a precursor to next year when things are really going to blow up. The Cavs will likely still have the highest payroll next year, but the rest of the league will start catching up quickly.

Oklahoma City, for example, may surpass the Cavs if they want to keep Durant and Westbrook longterm. It also doesn't help that Enes Kanter is going to be paid $17 million a year.

Golden State is another... they already have two max players and Steph Curry, Harrison Barnes and the rest of their roster will be looking for extensions next year.

This is where the league is going, guys.

[Derka]

Every team is trying to buy a championship. Some are just better at it than others.

[Sarcastic]

I'm just glad that Gilbert will have to pay so much in tax, after he was one of the owners that fought so hard for the punitive CBA in the last negotiations.

[Noyze]

Yeah didn't the Nets sign Kris Humphies for like 13-15 mil a year off the bench that year?

[RedBlackAttack]

Yeah didn't the Nets sign Kris Humphies for like 13-15 mil a year off the bench that year?

Joe Johnson - $21.5 million
Deron Williams - $18.5 million
Paul Pierce - $15.3 million
Brooke Lopez - $14.7 million
Kevin Garnett - $12.4 million

etc.

Humphries was gone by the time they set the tax record. But yeah... he also got a crazy contract a couple years prior.

[Derka]

Yeah didn't the Nets sign Kris Humphies for like 13-15 mil a year off the bench that year?
Crash and Hump were the highest paid players on our team during Stevens' first year coaching...both guys were on Nets contracts.

[Vaniiiia]

Has there ever been a poster try as hard to defend his favorite team than RBA?

:lol

I like the dude but jesus. Mention anything that could possibly be taken negatively about the Cavs and the dude posts graphs on graphs on graphs.

Is is that serious?

[oh the horror]

Which they will be paying for it for years to come



Yeah, how Billy King still has that job is amazing to me.

[coin24]

$10m for shumpert :lol

Cavs going all out, can't fault gilbo for his want of a championship. Probably shouldn't listen to lebald though getting his bum buddies paid

[smoovegittar]

Yeah, how Billy King still has that job is amazing to me.
Well, they lost Rod Thorn. Gotta have at least 1 guy there who knows the game.

[RedBlackAttack]

Has there ever been a poster try as hard to defend his favorite team than RBA?
I don't see why I should have to "defend" an ownership or franchise for doing everything in their power to win, especially when it comes to re-signing guys already on the roster. It's not like the Cavs are fleecing the rest of the league of their talent. Your owner either pays them or lets them walk with no recourse to replace their production. Gilbert did the former, which is what I would think any fan would want.

Listen, I hated the idea of "super teams" as much or more than anyone on this board back in the early-10s, but that's where the players and a few GMs took it. The league is what it is now. LMA just signed with the freaking Spurs.

If there are any guys on the Cavs I absolutely want to keep it is the guys we drafted. I don't really see the issue with anything I've said or why I should even be put into a defensive posture by the franchise doing the things it needs to do to make the team better. :confusedshrug:

[Crown&Coke]

They have the balls and the cash to do it. It's quite refreshing a team is willing to put their money where their mouth is. They are proving it wasn't just lip service. Agree or disagree with their moves, but they said what they were going to do, and went out and did it.

It's not the norm. Shit, Miami was coming off 4 trips to the finals, and their owner was busy worrying about the luxury tax. And it cost him. Big time.

Cuban was so adamant the new CBA was going to hamstring his team going forward he let his championship squad go without trying to defend his title. 3 consecutive summers of shooting for the prize free agent and his team is stuck in the mud.

Even if I think it is hypocritical of Gilbert to cry about big market teams paying through the nose to compile talent, he is pushing his chips to the middle of the table and is willing to play his hand. Good for the NBA and it's fans imo

[dubnation]

Has there ever been a poster try as hard to defend his favorite team than RBA?

:lol

I like the dude but jesus. Mention anything that could possibly be taken negatively about the Cavs and the dude posts graphs on graphs on graphs.

Is is that serious?

:biggums: The f*ck are you going on about?

[Vaniiiia]

I don't see why I should have to "defend" an ownership or franchise for doing everything in their power to win:
That's exactly my point. Why try to defend something that doesn't need to be defended?

Let the apes spout off about our team while we quietly enjoy success.

We're better than that.

[RedBlackAttack]

That's exactly my point. Why try to defend something that doesn't need to be defended?

Let the apes spout off about our team while we quietly enjoy success.

We're better than that.
You're a Cavs fan or are you just trolling at the end there? I honestly don't know. I'm not familiar with your posting history.

I come on here to talk about basketball. I enjoy typing "graphs and graphs," especially now that I'm out of the business of doing it professionally. I don't do it simply out of reverence for the Cavs. I do it because I enjoy writing and putting my thoughts out there.

That's why this site exists. Without an occasional serious conversation, you'd just have nothing but trolls. I try to maintain some level of intellectual discussion.

[Spurs m8]

The cap system is too loose, lets colluders like Bron get way ahead of others on paper.

Too bad its Bron though, so his boring ass, inefficient basketball won't get them a ring either way.

Suck shit

[Vaniiiia]

You're a Cavs fan or are you just trolling at the end there? I honestly don't know. I'm not familiar with your posting history.

I come on here to talk about basketball. I enjoy typing "graphs and graphs," especially now that I'm out of the business of doing it professionally. I don't do it simply out of reverence for the Cavs. I do it because I enjoy writing and putting my thoughts out there.

That's why this site exists. Without an occasional serious conversation, you'd just have nothing but trolls. I try to maintain some level of intellectual discussion.
Yeah, I was born in Cleveland, re-located to OKC in 07 right before they got a team.

I consider myself a Cavs fan first but an OKC fan a close second. (mainly because I've been to so many games and have been here from the beginning, saw them go from worst team in the league to perennial championship contender right in front of my eyes, up close and personal)

But I feel you though, I'm actually advocating you here. I hate seeing smart guys get sucked into the vortex of nonsense that, as you touched on, regularly inhabits this board.

I now see I was initially wrong in calling you out. I now understand by that you posting legitimate opinions with no agenda driven trolling, it might actually spark others to follow suit. So I apologize.

[RedBlackAttack]

Yeah, I was born in Cleveland, re-located to OKC in 07 right before they got a team.

I consider myself a Cavs fan first but an OKC fan a close second. (mainly because I've been to so many games and have been here from the beginning, saw them go from worst team in the league to perennial championship contender right in front of my eyes, up close and personal)

But I feel you though, I'm actually advocating you here. I hate seeing smart guys get sucked into the vortex of nonsense that, as you touched on, regularly inhabits this board.

I now see I was initially wrong in calling you out. I now understand by that you posting legitimate opinions with no agenda driven trolling, it might actually spark others to follow suit. So I apologize.
No need for an apology. :oldlol:

I think everyone on this site knows I can be a little "long-winded" to put it nicely and that I'm mostly a homer. I think most good fans have some homer in them, though. You can't have a great affinity for a franchise and then still remain completely unbiased.

[thefatmiral]

Joe Johnson - $21.5 million
Deron Williams - $18.5 million
Paul Pierce - $15.3 million
Brooke Lopez - $14.7 million
Kevin Garnett - $12.4 million

etc.

Humphries was gone by the time they set the tax record. But yeah... he also got a crazy contract a couple years prior.
I forgot peirce was on that team

[LoneyROY7]

Yeah, I was born in Cleveland, re-located to OKC in 07 right before they got a team.

I consider myself a Cavs fan first but an OKC fan a close second. (mainly because I've been to so many games and have been here from the beginning, saw them go from worst team in the league to perennial championship contender right in front of my eyes, up close and personal)

But I feel you though, I'm actually advocating you here. I hate seeing smart guys get sucked into the vortex of nonsense that, as you touched on, regularly inhabits this board.

I now see I was initially wrong in calling you out. I now understand by that you posting legitimate opinions with no agenda driven trolling, it might actually spark others to follow suit. So I apologize.

:roll:

[RedBlackAttack]

Yeah, I was born in Cleveland, re-located to OKC in 07 right before they got a team.

I consider myself a Cavs fan first but an OKC fan a close second. (mainly because I've been to so many games and have been here from the beginning, saw them go from worst team in the league to perennial championship contender right in front of my eyes, up close and personal)

But I feel you though, I'm actually advocating you here. I hate seeing smart guys get sucked into the vortex of nonsense that, as you touched on, regularly inhabits this board.

I now see I was initially wrong in calling you out. I now understand by that you posting legitimate opinions with no agenda driven trolling, it might actually spark others to follow suit. So I apologize.
No need for an apology. :oldlol:

I think everyone on this site knows I can be a little "long-winded" to put it nicely and that I'm mostly a homer. I think most good fans have some homer in them, though. You can't have a great affinity for a franchise and then still remain completely unbiased.

[alanLA92]

The 2012-13 Nets actually had a higher payroll.

I think you mean the 2013-2014 Nets when they traded for KG and Pierce.

[stalkerforlife]

Miami.

[stalkerforlife]

Yeah, I was born in Cleveland, re-located to OKC in 07 right before they got a team.

I consider myself a Cavs fan first but an OKC fan a close second. (mainly because I've been to so many games and have been here from the beginning, saw them go from worst team in the league to perennial championship contender right in front of my eyes, up close and personal)

But I feel you though, I'm actually advocating you here. I hate seeing smart guys get sucked into the vortex of nonsense that, as you touched on, regularly inhabits this board.

I now see I was initially wrong in calling you out. I now understand by that you posting legitimate opinions with no agenda driven trolling, it might actually spark others to follow suit. So I apologize.

:roll:

[RedBlackAttack]

I think you mean the 2013-2014 Nets when they traded for KG and Pierce.
Yeah, I noted that a few posts down.

[DMAVS41]

This truly is one of the most stacked teams in NBA history, but I can't see how anyone is against this kind of stuff.

Could you imagine the Cavs and Spurs playing in the finals? It would be epic all time great stuff....along with Cavs vs Thunder, Cavs vs Warriors...etc.

I mean...can you blame the Cavs? They supposed to not go all in to try to win a championship they don't have or something?

I love it...I just wish one of the elite West teams one in the East so it was at least slightly balanced.

At this point I really think the Cavs would cruise to the Finals even if Lebron was like 50%.

[JT123]

This truly is one of the most stacked teams in NBA history, but I can't see how anyone is against this kind of stuff.

Could you imagine the Cavs and Spurs playing in the finals? It would be epic all time great stuff....along with Cavs vs Thunder, Cavs vs Warriors...etc.

I mean...can you blame the Cavs? They supposed to not go all in to try to win a championship they don't have or something?

I love it...I just wish one of the elite West teams one in the East so it was at least slightly balanced.

At this point I really think the Cavs would cruise to the Finals even if Lebron was like 50%.
:rolleyes: Do you ever stop with the hyperbole? They have 3 really good players and a few decent role players. Do you know how many teams in NBA history have had that? :lol
I'm sorry, but no team that has to play Delly for major minutes can be considered "stacked"

[Thesmallmamba]

This truly is one of the most stacked teams in NBA history, but I can't see how anyone is against this kind of stuff.

Could you imagine the Cavs and Spurs playing in the finals? It would be epic all time great stuff....along with Cavs vs Thunder, Cavs vs Warriors...etc.

I mean...can you blame the Cavs? They supposed to not go all in to try to win a championship they don't have or something?

I love it...I just wish one of the elite West teams one in the East so it was at least slightly balanced.

At this point I really think the Cavs would cruise to the Finals even if Lebron was like 50%.

Answer me this

The Cavs only had 1 all star starter and 1 all star reserve last year


This is in the Weak East. Where the Hawks get 4 all-stars



In a weak East where some teams get 4-5 all stars each, and players like Al Horford and Paul Milsap are allstars


Is it stacked to be a team with 1 all star starter and 1 all star reserve??


Answer this

[IllegalD]

Answer me this

The Cavs only had 1 all star starter and 1 all star reserve last year


This is in the Weak East. Where the Hawks get 4 all-stars



In a weak East where some teams get 4-5 all stars each, and players like Al Horford and Paul Milsap are allstars


Is it stacked to be a team with 1 all star starter and 1 all star reserve??


Answer this

Your starting to sound like 3ball.

Kyle Korver was one of those "allstars" for the Hawks last season. Kevin Love has already made 3, but didn't last year because of his reduced role/stats.

So according to your logic Korver > Love, right....? 'Cause, you know, "allstar selections, brah". :confusedshrug:

:facepalm :lol

[Thesmallmamba]

Your starting to sound like 3ball.

Kyle Korver was one of those "allstars" for the Hawks last season. Kevin Love has already made 3, but didn't last year because of his reduced role/stats.

So according to your logic Korver > Love, right....? 'Cause, you know, "allstar selections, brah". :confusedshrug:

:facepalm :lol

Whats the difference between them? They are both spot up shooters ie similar players



The difference is Kyle Korver scored 3 times as many points as Kevin Love did last playoffs

[Spurs m8]

Are these jokers kidding?

LeBron in the finals has gotten to all time boring levels, last finals with his slow ball and ugly game was just horrid to watch.
Yeah sure, they were missing a couple of pieces, but as long as LeBron is there, its not going to be fun.

[IllegalD]

Whats the difference between them? They are both spot up shooters ie similar players



The difference is Kyle Korver scored 3 times as many points as Kevin Love did last playoffs

Kyle Korver's lone All-Star Season:

12 PPG, 4 REBs, 3 Assists on 49% FG and 49% from 3.

Kevin Love's 3 All-Star Seasons:

20 PPG, 15 REBs, 3 Assists on 47% FG and 42% from 3

26 PPG, 13 REBs, on 45% FG

26 PPG 13 REBs, on on 46% FG.


And Kevin Love put his numbers up as the #1 Player on the Team,*while Korver was the #4 player on the team.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

The 2012-13 Nets actually had a higher payroll.

This was actually really funny to watch because it failed miserably :lol

[poido123]

This city is trying to break the no championship tag.


They are doing the right thing. You throw everything at it and if it fails, you won't die wondering.

[EllEffEll]

Every team is trying to buy a championship. Some are just better at it than others.

Quoted for truth.

They have LBJ now. No time left to try to 'grow' something while LBJ's talents begin to fade.

[DMAVS41]

:rolleyes: Do you ever stop with the hyperbole? They have 3 really good players and a few decent role players. Do you know how many teams in NBA history have had that? :lol
I'm sorry, but no team that has to play Delly for major minutes can be considered "stacked"

It's always about in relation to who they are playing. They are playing in one of the weaker conferences, on paper, in recent memory.

And it's not just about the top 3....they have an extremely deep team now. It's not just a few decent role players...LOL

So they aren't stacked? That is your conclusion and you are accusing me of hyperbole? Like really?

You are arguing that they can't be considered stacked...okay...

[DMAVS41]

Answer me this

The Cavs only had 1 all star starter and 1 all star reserve last year


This is in the Weak East. Where the Hawks get 4 all-stars



In a weak East where some teams get 4-5 all stars each, and players like Al Horford and Paul Milsap are allstars


Is it stacked to be a team with 1 all star starter and 1 all star reserve??


Answer this


I told you I'm not going to debate conference strength with you. It's just a fact. The West is factually far stronger on paper coming into this year. Just deal with that...please.

[Thesmallmamba]

I told you I'm not going to debate conference strength with you. It's just a fact. The West is factually far stronger on paper coming into this year. Just deal with that...please.

Exactly, so Cavs only have 1 All star starter and 1 all star reserve in the Weak East,


where Paul Milsap and Al Horford are all stars


Isnt it pretty weak how the Cavs can only muster 1 all star and 1 all star reserve in the Weak East?


How are they stacked?

[Smoke117]

Every team is trying to buy a championship. Some are just better at it than others.

Pretty much.

[DMAVS41]

Exactly, so Cavs only have 1 All star starter and 1 all star reserve in the Weak East,


where Paul Milsap and Al Horford are all stars


Isnt it pretty weak how the Cavs can only muster 1 all star and 1 all star reserve in the Weak East?


How are they stacked?

I don't know...they have this Lebron guy who happens to be as good or better than anyone in the league with 2 other all nba caliber players combined with a deep team of veteran role players that tend to fit in perfectly for what they want to do.

Like really? Now the debate is whether or not a team with Love, Kyrie, Lebron...with great role players around them...that debate is whether that team is stacked?

:wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf:

[JT123]

And it's not just about the top 3....they have an extremely deep team now. It's not just a few decent role players...LOL
:biggums: How? Last season the Cavs literally had the least productive bench in the NBA. The only addition they have made is an aging Mo Williams, and he will likely have to start for half the season due to Kyrie's injury. Plus Shumpert is gonna miss half the season as well. Please explain to us how the Cavs have more than a few decent role player. :lol You are literally trying to hype up players who couldn't make a single field goal in 6 finals games while Lebron was on the bench. :hammerhead:

[poido123]

I don't know...they have this Lebron guy who happens to be as good or better than anyone in the league with 2 other all nba caliber players combined with a deep team of veteran role players that tend to fit in perfectly for what they want to do.

Like really? Now the debate is whether or not a team with Love, Kyrie, Lebron...with great role players around them...that debate is whether that team is stacked?

:wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf:



Just another Alt of Dubeta/JT123/Lebronxrings etc etc


If there was one wish I had on this site, its for the owner or mods to IP ban that loser.

[JT123]

Just another Alt of Dubeta/JT123/Lebronxrings etc etc


If there was one wish I had on this site, its for the owner or mods to IP ban that loser.
Nobody cares about what you want. You could stop posting forever tomorrow and no one would even notice or care. Must burn you up inside that you have been posting here for 8 years, yet me, dubeta, and even this new guy smallmamba have become more relevant posters than you. :lol

[Thesmallmamba]

Nobody cares about what you want. You could stop posting forever tomorrow and no one would even notice or care. Must burn you up inside that you have been posting here for 8 years, yet me, dubeta, and even this new guy smallmamba have become more relevant posters than you. :lol

:lol


The old dying lion getting surpassed by new-breed posters

[DMAVS41]

:biggums: How? Last season the Cavs literally had the least productive bench in the NBA. The only addition they have made is an aging Mo Williams, and he will likely have to start for half the season due to Kyrie's injury. Plus Shumpert is gonna miss half the season as well. Please explain to us how the Cavs have more than a few decent role player. :lol You are literally trying to hype up players who couldn't make a single field goal in 6 finals games while Lebron was on the bench. :hammerhead:

Well, Mo and Jefferson are actually damn nice additions when they are going to be rounding out your top ****ing 10 on the roster.

You are telling me that a team of;

Smith
Shump
TT
Mozgov
Andy
Mo
Jefferson
Delly

Isn't incredibly deep around Love, Lebron, and Kyrie? I'm not even including James Jones. That team goes a legit 10 to 12 deep...and sorry....TT, Moz, Shump, and Smith are not just average role players around the best top 3 in the league.

Sorry...just no.

I can't believe people are actually trying to say this team isn't loaded. :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[stalkerforlife]

Nobody cares about what you want. You could stop posting forever tomorrow and no one would even notice or care. Must burn you up inside that you have been posting here for 8 years, yet me, dubeta, and even this new guy smallmamba have become more relevant posters than you. :lol

:lol

[poido123]

Nobody cares about what you want. You could stop posting forever tomorrow and no one would even notice or care. Must burn you up inside that you have been posting here for 8 years, yet me, dubeta, and even this new guy smallmamba have become more relevant posters than you. :lol



circle jerking your own posts on your many Alts IS NOT becoming relevant.



:roll: :roll:

[JT123]

Well, Mo and Jefferson are actually damn nice additions when they are going to be rounding out your top ****ing 10 on the roster.

You are telling me that a team of;

Smith = knicks reject
Shump = see above
TT = no scoring arsenal whatsoever, unless you count lob dunks :rolleyes:
Mozgov = average 7 footer who no one cared about at this time a year ago
Andy = will be out for the season no later than February, like always
Mo = decent role player, but nothing special
Jefferson = decent spot up shooter, nothing more
Delly = :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Isn't incredibly deep around Love, Lebron, and Kyrie? I'm not even including James Jones. That team goes a legit 10 to 12 deep...and sorry....TT, Moz, Shump, and Smith are not just average role players around the best top 3 in the league.

Sorry...just no.

I can't believe people are actually trying to say this team isn't loaded. :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm
You really love overhyping average role players don't you? Delly and James Jones are supposed to make your team stacked now? :roll: Along with 2 Knicks rejects that no other team wanted?
You are also ignoring the fact that Kyrie is likely to miss half the season, and once again those supposed great role players are gonna be asked to do things they aren't capable of doing. A stacked team is a squad like the Spurs, who can literally rest all their best players and still compete against top teams. Can the Cavs afford to do something like this? Please answer

[DMAVS41]

You really love overhyping average role players don't you? Delly and James Jones are supposed to make your team stacked now? :roll: Along with 2 Knicks rejects that no other team wanted?
You are also ignoring the fact that Kyrie is likely to miss half the season, and once again those supposed great role players are gonna be asked to do things they aren't capable of doing. A stacked team is a squad like the Spurs, who can literally rest all their best players and still compete against top teams. Can the Cavs afford to do something like this? Please answer

A few things;

1. I didn't say they were stacked because Delly and James Jones...however, those guys as not even cracking the ten best players on your team is a sign you are stacked.

2. TT, Shump, Smith, and Mozgov are not average role players. You can keep repeating this, but it doesn't make it true.

3. The Spurs are definitely stacked. Why would anyone with a brain argue otherwise?

4. Knicks rejects is a statement devoid of meaning. They are quality players in and of themselves, but even more valuable in the roles they play on the Cavs. You could put Iverson and Al Jefferson on this Cavs team and they would be worse than Shump and Mozgov make them. If you can't realize this...you simply don't know the game.

[Mr. Jabbar]

DAMN, poido absolutely slaying thesmallmamba and jtrent, savage.

[JT123]

TT, Shump, Smith, and Mozgov are not average role players. You can keep repeating this, but it doesn't make it true.
You keep saying this, but refuse to even attempt to explain what is so great about them. :facepalm Let's analyze them with some facts

TT - No skills whatsoever other than offensive rebounding. Saying he makes a team stacked is the equivalent of saying Jordan Hill makes a team stacked.

Smith - Can occasionally shoot the lights out, but is very inconsistent and just as likely to hurt your team with a dumb foul at the worst possible time (see 2015 Boston series)

Shump - can't dribble, can't shoot, and can't finish at the rim. Is literally only good for defense.

Mozgov - Guy is literally as average as they come. Before playing with Lebron the biggest thing he was known for was getting dunked on by Blake Griffin. :lol In fact when the Cavs initially traded for him several media outlets called the move "desperate"

So again I ask, just what is so great about these role players? :sleeping

[TheBigVeto]

The Lakers dawg.

[poido123]

You keep saying this, but refuse to even attempt to explain what is so great about them. :facepalm Let's analyze them with some facts

TT - No skills whatsoever other than offensive rebounding. Saying he makes a team stacked is the equivalent of saying Jordan Hill makes a team stacked.

Smith - Can occasionally shoot the lights out, but is very inconsistent and just as likely to hurt your team with a dumb foul at the worst possible time (see 2015 Boston series)

Shump - can't dribble, can't shoot, and can't finish at the rim. Is literally only good for defense.

Mozgov - Guy is literally as average as they come. Before playing with Lebron the biggest thing he was known for was getting dunked on by Blake Griffin. :lol In fact when the Cavs initially traded for him several media outlets called the move "desperate"

So again I ask, just what is so great about these role players? :sleeping





Please don't analyse anything.


I cringe at the thought of your head hitting the ground when your mum dropped you on your head as a child, but then I remember how annoying your posts are here and I just wish that fall was more final.

[DMAVS41]

You keep saying this, but refuse to even attempt to explain what is so great about them. :facepalm Let's analyze them with some facts

TT - No skills whatsoever other than offensive rebounding. Saying he makes a team stacked is the equivalent of saying Jordan Hill makes a team stacked.

Smith - Can occasionally shoot the lights out, but is very inconsistent and just as likely to hurt your team with a dumb foul at the worst possible time (see 2015 Boston series)

Shump - can't dribble, can't shoot, and can't finish at the rim. Is literally only good for defense.

Mozgov - Guy is literally as average as they come. Before playing with Lebron the biggest thing he was known for was getting dunked on by Blake Griffin. :lol In fact when the Cavs initially traded for him several media outlets called the move "desperate"

So again I ask, just what is so great about these role players? :sleeping


Not gonna argue this man. If you don't think is a stacked team....It's a waste of time trying to explain basketball, role, fit, and team building to you.

[Thesmallmamba]

Not gonna argue this man. If you don't think is a stacked team....It's a waste of time trying to explain basketball, role, fit, and team building to you.

So were the Mavs with Dirk, Rondo, Chandler, Ellis, Amare, Parsons, Richard Jefferson stacked last year??


Dunno about you but that looks more deeper than the Cavs for sure :confusedshrug:

[poido123]

Not gonna argue this man. If you don't think is a stacked team....It's a waste of time trying to explain basketball, role, fit, and team building to you.


he's completely stupid.


there is no reason to explain him anything.

[JT123]

Please don't analyse anything.


I cringe at the thought of your head hitting the ground when your mum dropped you on your head as a child, but then I remember how annoying your posts are here and I just wish that fall was more final.
:biggums: WOW. So because I have different basketball opinions than yourself you want me dead?
I think it's time you take a long hard look at yourself, as well as your life. Anyone who takes ISH seriously enough to wish death on someone is a pathetic loser whose only social life revolves around this forum.

[poido123]

:biggums: WOW. So because I have different basketball opinions than yourself you want me dead?
I think it's time you take a long hard look at yourself, as well as your life. Anyone who takes ISH seriously enough to wish death on someone is a pathetic loser whose only social life revolves around this forum.



No, I just wish your basketball opinions weren't always to troll another fanbase.


I don't think you realise how pathetic you are. honestly.


Don't you think it's time to operate one account?


I wish death on your account. Not you dummy

[Gileraracer]

My Boy Dan Gilberts plan is great. If you cant bring a ring to Cleveland, just buy it.


Cheers Dan :cheers:

[Mr. Jabbar]

^^^ Dan Gilbert knows god damn well lebron doesn't equal to rings. So why not just buy the damn thing?

[All Net]

Not gonna argue this man. If you don't think is a stacked team....It's a waste of time trying to explain basketball, role, fit, and team building to you.

Trying to reason with guys who have been banned before isn

[stalkerforlife]

Please don't analyse anything.


I cringe at the thought of your head hitting the ground when your mum dropped you on your head as a child, but then I remember how annoying your posts are here and I just wish that fall was more final.

:roll:

:biggums:

[Hittin_Shots]

Nets ass still gonna be hurting for a long time yet after that trade.