MJ wasn't a stat-padder - this is how MJ felt during garbage time

[3ball]

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MJ hours before Game 4 of 1996 Finals:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfAoaAb3Nc0&t=42m32s

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/10-22-2015/S-0uOq.gif


This reveals that after getting a 3-0 lead, MJ was "more relaxed than he'd ever been" before the garbage time that ensued the rest of the series.. This explains his lackluster mindset versus the desperate, nothing-to-lose, adrenaline that benefited Payton in those garbage time, stat-padding games.

It's unfortunate the way it worked out - the Bulls blowout of the Sonics early in the series let MJ's guard down, which gave an inherent advantage to the desperate Payton later in garbage time.

I would've loved to see MJ guard Payton from Game 1 - it wouldn't turn a 3-0 blowout into a Sonics' series victory, but at least MJ would've been in the right frame of mind with the entire series to work on Payton.... But instead, MJ was "more relaxed than he'd ever been" and had already tuned out of the series - he was basically like, "wake me up when it's over", while Payton was in desperation mode hoping to save some face.
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[Kblaze8855]

I suppose you already have an old response saved for when someone points out the article during his triple double streak when he admitted to counting his assists even telling guys he needed his tenth and not to let him down?

It doesn't matter....but it happened.

[Lebron23]

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[ShawkFactory]

I've heard from a very reliable source that OP likes to spread strawberry marmalade around his anus and let his gerbil Sandy lick it off.

[HoopologyPhD]

I've heard from a very reliable source that OP likes to spread strawberry marmalade around his anus and let his gerbil Sandy lick it off.

Chris Broussard?

[Smoke117]

I suppose you already have an old response saved for when someone points out the article during his triple double streak when he admitted to counting his assists even telling guys he needed his tenth and not to let him down?

It doesn't matter....but it happened.

He just ignores these kind of post...as there is no response to make to a simple fact, but affirmation.

[3ball]

I suppose you already have an old response saved for when someone points out the article during his triple double streak when he admitted to counting his assists even telling guys he needed his tenth and not to let him down?

It doesn't matter....but it happened.


No saved response needed - all players have done that at some point in their career - I remember doing that in high school and I was a bench warmer at the time!

But the reality is that MJ was interviewed hours before Game 4, and he revealed that he was "more relaxed than he'd ever been".. This explains his lackluster mindset versus the desperate, nothing-to-lose, adrenaline of Payton.

It's unfortunate the way it worked out - the Bulls blowout of the Sonics early let MJ's guard down, which gave an inherent advantage to the desperate Payton later in garbage time.

I would've loved to see MJ guard Payton from Game 1 - it wouldn't turn a 3-0 blowout into a Sonics' series victory, but at least MJ would've been in the right frame of mind with the entire series to work on Payton.... But instead, MJ was "more relaxed than he'd ever been" and had tuned out of the series - he was basically like, "wake me up when it's over", while Payton was like a rabid dog anxious to save a little face.

[Thesmallmamba]

LA Times, April 11, 1989:

Since switching to point guard for the Chicago Bulls, Michael Jordan has become statistic conscious. He has started checking with statisticians to see how close he is to a triple-double. He had a string of seven consecutive triple-doubles broken Friday night.

"The guys at the scorer's desk let me know what I need," Jordan said.

So, too, do the Bulls' assistant coaches.

"They keep reminding me when I get back to the huddle," Jordan said. "They say, 'You need three more of this. You need four more of that.'"



:biggums:

[Mr. Jabbar]

WHO SAID GARBAGE TIME!?.

http://i.imgur.com/hiWka9K.jpg

[Hey Yo]

If game 4 was garbage time, then why need for MJ to play 41mins? Especially since they were down by 21pts at the half and at the end of the 3rd?

[3ball]

LA Times, April 11, 1989:

He has started checking with statisticians to see how close he is to a triple-double.

"The guys at the scorer's desk let me know what I need," Jordan said.





ALL players have done that at some point in their career - I remember doing that in high school and I was a bench warmer at the time!

But the reality is that MJ was interviewed hours before Game 4, and he revealed that he was "more relaxed than he'd ever been".. This explains his lackluster mindset versus the desperate, nothing-to-lose, adrenaline of Payton.

It's unfortunate the way it worked out - the Bulls blowout of the Sonics early let MJ's guard down, which gave an inherent advantage to the desperate Payton later in garbage time.

I would've loved to see MJ guard Payton from Game 1 - it wouldn't turn a 3-0 blowout into a Sonics' series victory, but at least MJ would've been in the right frame of mind with the entire series to work on Payton.... But instead, MJ was "more relaxed than he'd ever been" and had tuned out of the series - he was basically like, "wake me up when it's over", while Payton was like a rabid dog anxious to save a little face.

[Thesmallmamba]

ALL players have done that at some point in their career - I remember doing that in high school and I was a bench warmer at the time!

But the reality is that MJ was interviewed hours before Game 4, and he revealed that he was "more relaxed than he'd ever been".. This explains his lackluster mindset versus the desperate, nothing-to-lose, adrenaline of Payton.

It's unfortunate the way it worked out - the Bulls blowout of the Sonics early let MJ's guard down, which gave an inherent advantage to the desperate Payton later in garbage time.

I would've loved to see MJ guard Payton from Game 1 - it wouldn't turn a 3-0 blowout into a Sonics' series victory, but at least MJ would've been in the right frame of mind with the entire series to work on Payton.... But instead, MJ was "more relaxed than he'd ever been" and had tuned out of the series - he was basically like, "wake me up when it's over", while Payton was like a rabid dog anxious to save a little face.


:biggums:

LA Times, April 11, 1989:

Since switching to point guard for the Chicago Bulls, Michael Jordan has become statistic conscious. He has started checking with statisticians to see how close he is to a triple-double. He had a string of seven consecutive triple-doubles broken Friday night.

"The guys at the scorer's desk let me know what I need," Jordan said.

So, too, do the Bulls' assistant coaches.

"They keep reminding me when I get back to the huddle," Jordan said. "They say, 'You need three more of this. You need four more of that.'"



:yaohappy:

[Lebron23]

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[3ball]

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that's what happens when the goat career ends

[Thesmallmamba]

that's what happens when the goat career ends

Or when a player realizes he was nothing without his best teammate (hence 1-9, and the Bulls won 55 games without him)

[3ball]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfAoaAb3Nc0&t=42m32s[/COLOR]

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This was right before Game 4 - MJ's sentiments reveal that after getting a 3-0 lead, MJ was "more relaxed than he'd ever been" before the garbage time that ensued the rest of the series.. This explains his lackluster mindset versus the desperate, nothing-to-lose, adrenaline that Payton benefited from in those garbage time, stat-padding games.

It's unfortunate the way it worked out - the Bulls blowout of the Sonics early in the series let MJ's guard down, which gave an inherent advantage to the desperate Payton later in garbage time.

I would've loved to see MJ guard Payton from Game 1 - it wouldn't turn a 3-0 blowout into a Sonics' series victory, but at least MJ would've been in the right frame of mind with the entire series to work on Payton.... But instead, MJ was "more relaxed than he'd ever been" and had already tuned out of the series - he was basically like, "wake me up when it's over", while Payton was in desperation mode hoping to save some face.
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[Hey Yo]

If game 4 was garbage time, then why need for MJ to play 41mins? Especially since they were down by 21pts at the half and at the end of the 3rd?

[Vaniiiia]

No killer instinct.

Except with his own father. :(

[Thesmallmamba]

No killer instinct.

Except with his own father. :(

:lol :lol


Damn

[sdot_thadon]

[QUOTE]Jordan was averaging more points in the first quarter than anyone else on the team was averaging the entire game. Jackson thought he

[SouBeachTalents]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgFWyLRNsGk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B20zWtMEt7g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYDlNV9W7No

:bowdown: :bowdown:

[Rocketswin2013]

What a selfish, shot-jacking, stat-obsessed, chemistry killer before Jackson made him buy in.

Jordan fans should be very thankful for Phil. Honestly Phil was a better coach than Jordan was a player.

[3ball]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgFWyLRNsGk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B20zWtMEt7g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYDlNV9W7No

:bowdown: :bowdown:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfAoaAb3Nc0&t=42m32s[/COLOR]

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Look how physical the defense was, and look how concentrated the defenders were on the strongside - all 5 defenders on the strongside and/or in paint - you never see that today.

These fully-flooded strongsides were a product of no-spacing and represented the "advanced" version of the game that included hand-checking, higher physicality, and legal paint-camping, and therefore requiring more sophisticated 2-point shooting ability.

This is a stark contrast to today's weakside spacing and resulting 1-defender strongsides (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=377570), which is basically the "beginner" version of the game that includes less strongside defenders, no hand-checking, no paint-camping, no physicality.. The highest levels of offensive sophistication (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11534471&postcount=108) simply aren't needed for the beginner version of the game.

[HighFlyer23]

Lol the ***** was obsessed with stats and definitely was conscious of the numbers he was logging

[poido123]

WHO SAID GARBAGE TIME!?.

http://i.imgur.com/hiWka9K.jpg




Never gets old.


:roll:

[SouBeachTalents]

Never gets old.


:roll:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGVVqGpydFc

[knicksman]

Meanwhile in 2014, someones whos 2/6 statpadded in garbage time without shame despite his team being blown out. LOL i have never seen a bigger loser than bran. Maybe his fans. LOL

[sportjames23]

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MJ hours before Game 4 of 1996 Finals:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfAoaAb3Nc0&t=42m32s

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/10-22-2015/S-0uOq.gif


This reveals that after getting a 3-0 lead, MJ was "more relaxed than he'd ever been" before the garbage time that ensued the rest of the series.. This explains his lackluster mindset versus the desperate, nothing-to-lose, adrenaline that Payton benefited from in those garbage time, stat-padding games.

It's unfortunate the way it worked out - the Bulls blowout of the Sonics early in the series let MJ's guard down, which gave an inherent advantage to the desperate Payton later in garbage time.

I would've loved to see MJ guard Payton from Game 1 - it wouldn't turn a 3-0 blowout into a Sonics' series victory, but at least MJ would've been in the right frame of mind with the entire series to work on Payton.... But instead, MJ was "more relaxed than he'd ever been" and had already tuned out of the series - he was basically like, "wake me up when it's over", while Payton was in desperation mode hoping to save some face.
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MJ had some mercy for those who tried to take his throne. :bowdown:

[SouBeachTalents]

Meanwhile in 2014, someones whos 2/6 statpadded in garbage time without shame despite his team being blown out. LOL i have never seen a bigger loser than bran. Maybe his fans. LOL

Check out the team they root for

http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/307/files/2015/01/nba-houston-rockets-new-york-knicks2.jpg

[3ball]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgFWyLRNsGk

The "Nobody Touches Jordan" youtube channel did a video of Payton guarding MJ in Game 4 of 1996 Finals (link above) - MJ was doubled on exactly 10 of 20 possessions shown in the video - all 10 double-teams are shown here:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11734116&postcount=105


By comparison, Lebron was doubled-teamed a TOTAL of 18 times in the entire Finals... Think about that for a second.. Still impressed with his 36 ppg on 39%?


"Curry’s ability to guard one-on-one allowed the Warriors’ wing defenders to double-team LeBron James effectively. When James was double-teamed, the Cavaliers scored 5 points on 2-of-18 shooting (11 percent)".

http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/106718/iguodala-heads-all-playoff-defensive-team
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[LoneyROY7]

LA Times, April 11, 1989:

Since switching to point guard for the Chicago Bulls, Michael Jordan has become statistic conscious. He has started checking with statisticians to see how close he is to a triple-double. He had a string of seven consecutive triple-doubles broken Friday night.

"The guys at the scorer's desk let me know what I need," Jordan said.

So, too, do the Bulls' assistant coaches.

"They keep reminding me when I get back to the huddle," Jordan said. "They say, 'You need three more of this. You need four more of that.'"



:biggums:

:lebronamazed:

[3ball]

:lebronamazed:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgFWyLRNsGk

The "Nobody Touches Jordan" youtube channel did a video of Payton guarding MJ in Game 4 of 1996 Finals (link above) - MJ was doubled on exactly 10 of 20 possessions shown in the video - all 10 double-teams are shown here:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11734116&postcount=105


By comparison, Lebron was doubled-teamed a TOTAL of 18 times in the entire Finals... Think about that for a second.. Still impressed with his 36 ppg on 39%?


"Curry’s ability to guard one-on-one allowed the Warriors’ wing defenders to double-team LeBron James effectively. When James was double-teamed, the Cavaliers scored 5 points on 2-of-18 shooting (11 percent)".

http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/106718/iguodala-heads-all-playoff-defensive-team

[SouBeachTalents]

Still impressed with his 36 ppg on 39%?

Still more impressed by that than Jordan's 27 ppg on 41% in '96

[QUOTE][/B]Curry

[warriorfan]

It was clear that LeBron could be shut down through double coverage. However if LeBron is going to keep shooting under 40% in single coverage, it is better to keep him single covered rather than taking a chance of leaving wide open players if the double is sent.

[warriorfan]

Still more impressed by that than Jordan's 27 ppg on 41% in '96



That sounds more indicative of how poorly his teammates shot

You need to get your teammates involved in the offense early and keep them going. If you dominate the ball for long stretches and freeze out teammates it's hard for them to get into a rhythm and produce to their potential...

[3ball]

Still more impressed by that than Jordan's 27 ppg on 41% in '96

That sounds more indicative of how poorly his teammates shot


I'm more impressed by MJ's 27 - Lebron was only double-teamed 18 times the entire 2015 Finals, while MJ was doubled that much in just Game 4 alone (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11734116&postcount=105), and every game.

Also, MJ was assigned to guard Gary Payton as the primary, all-game defender in Game 3 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL62CUehuw) and Game 5 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFiqeJcgXfg), and locked him down both games.. MJ never let Payton, Magic, or Drexler get MVP's on him, let alone role players like Lebron does.. So MJ provided the vastly superior defense to go with his offense.

And his offense wasn't the kind stat-friendly, ball-dominant, playground style that has no chance of winning.. MJ's league-leading scoring was achieved in a low time-of-possession, off-ball manner - the highest level of skill - so it fit seamlessly into a strict, sophisticated, equal-opportunity offense like the triangle..

MJ elevated his teammates and made them improve under his watch and play better.. Lebron has never done that.. The way MJ gets his stats (fitting into a sophisticated offense and not affecting teammate performance) is just more impressive display of skill that allows his team to win at the highest level - it's a more impressive feat.

[3ball]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgFWyLRNsGk

The "Nobody Touches Jordan" youtube channel did a video of Payton guarding MJ in Game 4 of 1996 Finals (link above) - MJ was doubled on exactly 10 of 20 possessions shown in the video - all 10 double-teams are shown here:


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By comparison, Lebron was doubled-teamed a TOTAL of 18 times in the entire Finals... Think about that for a second.. Still impressed with his 36 ppg on 39%?


"Curry’s ability to guard one-on-one allowed the Warriors’ wing defenders to double-team LeBron James effectively. When James was double-teamed, the Cavaliers scored 5 points on 2-of-18 shooting (11 percent)".

http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/106718/iguodala-heads-all-playoff-defensive-team
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[BoutPractice]

Many stars care about their stats, and Jordan was no exception.

Although it's fashionable to suggest that caring about stats prevents you winning games, setting statistical goals often helps players perform their best for the benefit of the team. If you've ever played the game it becomes quite obvious.

"Today I'll hold this player under X%". "Today I'll grab at least X rebounds" The stats needn't be the obvious ones, they can be very specific offensive or defensive goals ("I won't allow player X to lose me on a screen even once").

Sometimes it comes from players who are intrinsically motivated... Sometimes it comes from teammates... Opponents... And yes, even the coaching staff, who know when to encourage it, typically with positive results.

Keeping score is not the opposite of playing to win. It's one of the many tools that get you there. We all know Wilt Chamberlain liked to keep score... but let's not forget that Bill Russell did too. Magic Johnson, Larry Bird... not exactly losers.

[90sgoat]

[QUOTE=3ball].
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgFWyLRNsGk

The "Nobody Touches Jordan" youtube channel did a video of Payton guarding MJ in Game 4 of 1996 Finals (link above) - MJ was doubled on exactly 10 of 20 possessions shown in the video - all 10 double-teams are shown here:


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[B]By comparison, Lebron was doubled-teamed a TOTAL of 18 times in the entire Finals... Think about that for a second.. Still impressed with his 36 ppg on 39%?

[INDENT][I]"Curry