Jimmer cut by the Spurs

[Akrazotile]

Too lazy to post a link, but it's on ESPN.

Not really all that newsworthy tbh but figured worth a mention.

Have fun in China, Jimmer ol boy!

[kennethgriffin]

just another college star turned bust


why are undersized unathletic players always drafted with teams thinking their talent will translate

[Smook A.]

Sucks for him, cause he most likely won't play another second of NBA basketball. Jimmer always had the talent to AT LEAST be a good role player, but I think the reason why he didn't live up to expectations was because he lacked confidence in the NBA. I noticed that 95% of the time, Jimmer looked shakey when he shot the ball. Sometimes his shots would be retarded. He would force a lot of his jumpers and obviously that resulted in a lot of missed buckets for him. If he actually let the game come to him, and found his inner confidence, I think he'd for sure still be on an NBA team.

[outbreak]

He doesn't move well enough off the ball.

[Spurs m8]

Now for Reggie Williams....the **** are you doing, pop?

[MP.Trey]

Is he good? Can the Cavs get him?

[Akrazotile]

Is he good? Can the Cavs get him?


Cavs have enough players of Jimmer's caliber, thank you

[FreezingTsmoove]

Sucks for him, cause he most likely won't play another second of NBA basketball. Jimmer always had the talent to AT LEAST be a good role player, but I think the reason why he didn't live up to expectations was because he lacked confidence in the NBA. I noticed that 95% of the time, Jimmer looked shakey when he shot the ball. Sometimes his shots would be retarded. He would force a lot of his jumpers and obviously that resulted in a lot of missed buckets for him. If he actually let the game come to him, and found his inner confidence, I think he'd for sure still be on an NBA team.

Nope. Exactly the opposite. He had too much confidence. One of his ex assistant coaches exposed his attitude problem earlier this week after he was cut

[CurryOverLebron]

Nope. Exactly the opposite. He had too much confidence. One of his ex assistant coaches exposed his attitude problem earlier this week after he was cut

link?

[FreezingTsmoove]

link?


http://sports.yahoo.com/news/why-jimmer-fredette-has-been-such-a-big-bust-in-the-nba-023311779.html

Kings really ****ed this guys career. If you are going to draft a PG that high TURN THE OFFENSE OVER TO HIM FROM DAY 1!!!!!!! Especially when that PG is a 4 yr college player. Let him learn from his mistakes

[bdreason]

Gotta be able to defend to play for the Spurs.

[Spurs m8]

Kings picked Jimmer over Klay and Kawhi LMFAO HAHAHAHAHHAAHA

[Vaniiiia]

just another college star turned bust


why are undersized unathletic players always drafted with teams thinking their talent will translate
JJ Redick is a starter on a high caliber team

Steph Curry another one-dimensional shooter on a high caliber team



Jimmer just sucks. Slow. Big ass cankles. He'd be obese if he didn't play basketball every day since he was 5.

[magmo68]

He F'n sucks

[stalkerforlife]

He can play, but he's been black balled. If you give him free reign like any PG needs to develop and produce, he could easily score 20 a game.

The brotherhood has spoken. White point guards are not allowed.

[bluechox2]

if you cant cut it with the spurs universal offense...its time to go to mcdonalds

[TripleA]

He can play, but he's been black balled. If you give him free reign like any PG needs to develop and produce, he could easily score 20 a game.

The brotherhood has spoken. White point guards are not allowed.

Bullshit Steve Blake and Kirk Heinrich are old and white still ave place in a league. The problem with jimmer is that he thinks he is Kobe but he is really Ronnie price. How jimmer play d and play team ball you chucker and he will still have a job.

[stalkerforlife]

Bullshit Steve Blake and Kirk Heinrich are old and white still ave place in a league. The problem with jimmer is that he thinks he is Kobe but he is really Ronnie price. How jimmer play d and play team ball you chucker and he will still have a job.

White point guards that score a lot are not allowed. White point guards that need the ball in their hands to be effective are not allowed.

The NBA is a brotherhood and if you don't see it, I can't help your blindness.

[RRR3]

White point guards that score a lot are not allowed. White point guards that need the ball in their hands to be effective are not allowed.

The NBA is a brotherhood and if you don't see it, I can't help your blindness.
http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/scale_small/0/2986/565832-steve_nash.jpg

http://a2.fssta.com/content/dam/fsdigital/RSN/Florida/2015/2/21/022115-fsf-nba-miami-heat-dragic-PI.vadapt.620.high.40.jpg

[stalkerforlife]

http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/scale_small/0/2986/565832-steve_nash.jpg

http://a2.fssta.com/content/dam/fsdigital/RSN/Florida/2015/2/21/022115-fsf-nba-miami-heat-dragic-PI.vadapt.620.high.40.jpg

Very rare situation.

Very, very rare.

[TripleA]

White point guards that score a lot are not allowed. White point guards that need the ball in their hands to be effective are not allowed.

The NBA is a brotherhood and if you don't see it, I can't help your blindness.

All point guards need ball in their hand to be effective. Jimmer ain't shit he has had so many chances to prove himself and has failed. He was a lottery pick and got his job taken by the 5'8 last pick.

[senelcoolidge]

just another college star turned bust


why are undersized unathletic players always drafted with teams thinking their talent will translate

Sounds like D'Angelo Russell, except for undersized.

[stalkerforlife]

All point guards need ball in their hand to be effective. Jimmer ain't shit he has had so many chances to prove himself and has failed. He was a lottery pick and got his job taken by the 5'8 last pick.

He was never given a chance to prove himself.

You know nothing concerning the situation.

[TripleA]

He was never given a chance to prove himself.

You know nothing concerning the situation.

All I know about Jimmer Fredette that he is trash in the NBA. I never seen so many excuses for a mediocre player.

[RRR3]

Very rare situation.

Very, very rare.
Or maybe they were far better players than Jimmer? :confused shrug:


Furthermore the following white PGs have all been starters at times during their careers:

Luke Ridnour
Jose Calderon
Ricky Rubio
Kirk Hinrich
Steve Blake

[stalkerforlife]

All I know about Jimmer Fredette he is trash in the nba. I never seen so many excuses for a mediocre player.

Try situations such as going into MSG and putting up 25 and getting the win...to DNP-CD for 4 games.

You seriously have no clue how bad Jimmer has been shunned in this league.

[stalkerforlife]

Or maybe they were far better players than Jimmer? :confusedshrug:

Maybe. And maybe they were given real opportunities.

[RRR3]

Maybe. And maybe they were given real opportunities.
Yeah, they were given opportunities because they showed potential :hammerhead:

[TripleA]

Jimmer thinks everybody is stupid," said an NBA assistant who worked with Fredette. "He thinks everybody needs to come and just turn over their offense and let him shoot it anytime he wants. That's not how the league works."

What a ball hog he ain't shit and don't you dare up you call me racist. I rided for Kevin love when people called him empty stats.

[stalkerforlife]

Or maybe they were far better players than Jimmer? :confused shrug:


Furthermore the following white PGs have all been starters at times during their careers:

Luke Ridnour
Jose Calderon
Ricky Rubio
Kirk Hinrich
Steve Blake

:facepalm

[RRR3]

:facepalm
They all have been starters. You know, because, they had some value, unlike Jimmer "Scrub-a-dub" Fredette

[poido123]

What a ball hog he ain't shit and don't you dare up you call me racist. I rided for Kevin love when people called him empty stats.



He is empty stats :lol

[TripleA]

He is empty stats :lol

Kevin love is not empty stats. If Kevin Garnett one of the greatest players of all time misses the playoffs consecutively in minny no one can help a terrible franchise like that. Kevin Love puts so much time into the game.
He isn't huge,not fast, or has crazy athleticism but became a star through hard work.

[stalkerforlife]

Yeah, they were given opportunities because they showed potential :hammerhead:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTc22SZs2Yw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJMTIt2xJVA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0awIKsjyU4

38% from 3 in very, very sporadic minutes and attempts for his career. Shot 49% from 3 in 41 games for the Kings in 13-14.

He's probably the best shooter in the world off the dribble, but teams insisted that he become a spot up shooter and that's not his game.

[RRR3]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTc22SZs2Yw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJMTIt2xJVA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0awIKsjyU4

38% from 3 in very, very sporadic minutes and attempts for his career. Shot 49% from 3 in 41 games for the Kings in 13-14.

He's probably the best shooter in the world off the dribble, but teams insisted that he become a spot up shooter and that's not his game.
http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2014/06/16/1226955/997578-8d71a1ec-f506-11e3-8ea9-a081f3513119.jpg

39% career from 3 as a backup. 43% from 3 in 81 games in 2014. Drafted 2nd round, barely played with the Blazers, not given a shot until San Antonio, and even there he is the backup.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxcuFWrPUzw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EncXB5PlDuY



Damn. Why isn't this stud a starter? Racism amirite? :confusedshrug:

[stalkerforlife]

http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2014/06/16/1226955/997578-8d71a1ec-f506-11e3-8ea9-a081f3513119.jpg

39% career from 3 as a backup. 43% from 3 in 81 games in 2014. Drafted 2nd round, barely played with the Blazers, not given a shot until San Antonio, and even there he is the backup.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxcuFWrPUzw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EncXB5PlDuY



Damn. Why isn't this stud a starter? Racism amirite? :confusedshrug:

He's actually been given an opportunity.

[RRR3]

He's actually been given an opportunity.
Jimmer just got cut by the same team Mills is on :lol


Mills career high MPG: 18.9

Jimmer: 18.6



:confusedshrug:

[stalkerforlife]

Jimmer just got cut by the same team Mills is on :lol


Mills career high MPG: 18.9

Jimmer: 18.6



:confusedshrug:

You have no idea what you're talking about because you're racist.

Jimmer's 18.6 mpg was his rookie season, which was not good for him. After that, he was completely black balled.

[TripleA]

Jimmer just got cut by the same team Mills is on :lol


Mills career high MPG: 18.9

Jimmer: 18.6



:confusedshrug:

Recked. Jimmer's trash no defense,no team ball and he has been given as many opportunities as any other scrub. He was a lottery pick that a huge opportunity itself. He got outplayed by a the most undersized in league for the starting job.

[stalkerforlife]

Recked. Jimmer's trash no defense,no team ball and he has been given as many opportunities as any other scrub. He was a lottery pick that a huge opportunity itself. He got outplayed by a the most undersized in league for the starting job.

Another racist...

[RRR3]

You have no idea what you're talking about because you're racist.

Jimmer's 18.6 mpg was his rookie season, which was not good for him. After that, he was completely black balled.
14.0 MPG his second year, thats enough to show something. :confusedshrug:


Beno Udrih, another white PG who's been a starter.


Lets not forget John friggin Stockton :lol Ever heard of Mark Price? Scott Skiles?

[TripleA]

Another racist...

I like players who play well Gordon Hayward,Kevin Love, Steve Blake, Kirk henrich. White or black.
Jimmer has shown he isn't good.

[stalkerforlife]

And by the way, for the ignorant folks...

Westphal was the only coach that believed in Jimmer and gave him any type of real opportunity. Cousins got him fired after about 7 games into Jimmer's rookie season. Cousins then became best friends with IT and made it known that if Jimmer played over him, he'd blow up and get you fired, too. If Jimmer did play, after one mistake he'd be pulled and Cousins would throw a temper tantrum.

But y'all don't know about any of that because you're racist.

[poido123]

Kevin love is not empty stats. If Kevin Garnett one of the greatest players of all time misses the playoffs consecutively in minny no one can help a terrible franchise like that. Kevin Love puts so much time into the game.
He isn't huge,not fast, or has crazy athleticism but became a star through hard work.


He's not the definition of empty stats, but his stats are of someone much better than he is.


Some players just rack up meaningless stats at relaxed points of a game, like Lebron.


Only my opinion though and I'm not suggesting that Lebron can be quite impactful when he's not cherry picking.

[stalkerforlife]

14.0 MPG his second year, thats enough to show something. :confusedshrug:


Beno Udrih, another white PG who's been a starter.


Lets not forget John friggin Stockton :lol Ever heard of Mark Price? Scott Skiles?

20 DNP-CD his rookie season.

13 DNP-CD second season.

32 DNP-CD 3rd season.

32 DNP-CD 4th season.

You have no idea what you're talking about. And when he did play, it was not with the starters. Jimmer playing with real starters on a consistent basis would be lights out.

[RRR3]

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
http://aroyalpain.com/2012/06/01/demarcus-cousins-wishes-good-sex-to-kings-teammate-jimmer-fredette/


Jimmer was friends with Cousins, you ignorant buffoon.

"As many might know (and some may not), the Kings

[TripleA]

And by the way, for the ignorant folks...

Westphal was the only coach that believed in Jimmer and gave him any type of real opportunity. Cousins got him fired after about 7 games into Jimmer's rookie season. Cousins then became best friends with IT and made it known that if Jimmer played over him, he'd blow up and get you fired, too. If Jimmer did play, after one mistake he'd be pulled and Cousins would throw a temper tantrum.

But y'all don't know about any of that because you're racist.

Why did he not play well with the Pelicans or Bulls.:confusedshrug:
Excuses and more excuses. Sounding like bran stans you hate so much.

[RRR3]

Why did he not play well with the Pelicans or Bulls.:confusedshrug:
Excuses and more excuses. Sounding like a bran stans you hate so much.
That's not true at all if he played well cousins would like him cousins does not like bums like Jimmer.
Cousins DID like him.

Refer to my previous post. Cousins and Jimmer were homies. Stalker is just making up bullshit to fit his agenda :lol

[stalkerforlife]

[QUOTE=RRR3]http://aroyalpain.com/2012/06/01/demarcus-cousins-wishes-good-sex-to-kings-teammate-jimmer-fredette/


Jimmer was friends with Cousins, you ignorant buffoon.

"As many might know (and some may not), the Kings

[TripleA]

BS story to try and save Cousins' rep.

A feel good story written by the local paper to try and make DMC more marketable.

The only thing that is bs is your agenda. Jimmer is trash. No amount of excuses can change that.

[RRR3]

http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/terminal05/2012/2/28/20/enhanced-buzz-11108-1330479312-29.jpg

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/987744-jimmer-fredette-video-kings-pg-compares-he-and-demarcus-cousins-to-rob-and-big

https://twitter.com/boogiecousins/status/208741252445900800

B-b-b-b-b-but Cousins hates Jimmer guys :cry:

[stalkerforlife]

http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/terminal05/2012/2/28/20/enhanced-buzz-11108-1330479312-29.jpg

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/987744-jimmer-fredette-video-kings-pg-compares-he-and-demarcus-cousins-to-rob-and-big

B-b-b-b-b-but Cousins hates Jimmer guys :cry:

Cousins is a fraud. Jimmer is nice to everyone and just wanted to fit in.

You're a racist child.

[stalkerforlife]

http://s18.postimg.org/4sx9xize1/kobedwight_16_9.jpg (http://postimage.org/)

[RRR3]

Cousins is a fraud. Jimmer is nice to everyone and just wanted to fit in.

You're a racist child.
I'm 75% white, you idiot.

[stalkerforlife]

I'm 75% white, you idiot.

Nope.

[Vaniiiia]

He's not the definition of empty stats, but his stats are of someone much better than he is.


Some players just rack up meaningless stats at relaxed points of a game, like Lebron.


Only my opinion though and I'm not suggesting that Lebron can be quite impactful when he's not cherry picking.
Oh fosho bro, we know. Your opinions don't mean anything around here, never have, never will. :lol

But if someone ever needs some tips on how to load bags into an aircraft you're the go-to expert on the sicheation. When it comes to handling bags YOU'RE THE MAN.

But please for the love of everything holy, don't talk about basketball. Especially about a dude who takes pleasure in bitch slapping your favorite team every may. It's like a damn holiday. Tradition.

October you got Halloween; candy.

November you got Thanksgiving; turkey.

December you got Christmas; presents.

And come May you got LeBron vs. The Bulls; genocide of an entire city.


:banana:


No country for middle-aged bag boys. Make like the Bulls come playoff time and disappear.

[RRR3]

http://s18.postimg.org/4sx9xize1/kobedwight_16_9.jpg (http://postimage.org/)
Oh so Lord Perfect Mamba had problems with a teammate? Careful there agenda boy.


And that photo, if indeed staged, was because there were numerous reports of friction between the two. Nonetheless, I'm sure each respected the others talent.


Jimmer and DMC weren't in the media for having issues you dolt. That picture wasnt in response to anything; just teammates being silly :lol

[TripleA]

adjective
1. Racist
having or showing the belief that a particular race is superior to another.

You can't even use the word in the right context.
How would we think that blacks are superior if we say jimmer is trash if we like other white players. Kevin love is my second favorite player am I a racist if I don't have a hard on for some scrub.

[stalkerforlife]

http://s27.postimg.org/gf1jjzayb/shaq_and_kobe.jpg

[stalkerforlife]

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[TheBigVeto]

http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/scale_small/0/2986/565832-steve_nash.jpg

http://a2.fssta.com/content/dam/fsdigital/RSN/Florida/2015/2/21/022115-fsf-nba-miami-heat-dragic-PI.vadapt.620.high.40.jpg

Dragic got blamed for the Heat's failure last season.

Nash got so much disrespect from racist monkeys like Shaq and other morons about his MVPs.

Racism is alive an well in the NBA dawg.

Now Jimmer isn't that great but he deserves the opportunity. Which was taken away simply because of his skin color.

[stalkerforlife]

Dragic got blamed for the Heat's failure last season.

Nash got so much disrespect from racist monkeys like Shaq and other morons about his MVPs.

Racism is alive an well in the NBA dawg.

Now Jimmer isn't that great but he deserves the opportunity. Which was taken away simply because of his skin color.

:applause:

[90sgoat]

I doubt the Spurs are racist, but clearly Jimmer should have gotten a chance on some lesser team. Raciss for sure.

A lot of white players should have bigger roles than they have such as Mike Dunleavy who played great in the playoffs.

I wonder how many great white players would not get a chance today. Jeff Hornacek? Thunder Dan Majerle? Mark Price?

[T_L_P]

Good stuff. He's a terrible player who's simply not good enough to make it in the NBA.

Have fun in Europe.

[GIF REACTION]

He is too short, too un athletic

[ralph_i_el]

He can play, but he's been black balled. If you give him free reign like any PG needs to develop and produce, he could easily score 20 a game.

The brotherhood has spoken. White point guards are not allowed.

Goran Dragic, Ricky Rubio, Alexy Shved....all starters (at some point) last season. Calderon? Beno Udrih? Grevis Vasquez and JJ Barea played big minutes too last season.


Jimmer has put up 18-20 ppg-36 most of his career. It's not about scoring. He's a ball dominant, undersized, slow shooting guard. Nobody has doubted his skills as a scorer.


Just because you suck ass doesn't mean there is a conspiracy keeping the white man down.

[FreezingTsmoove]

Of course ol Jim is not going to get a fair opportunity from another team his game is very unique. He should have got a fair opportunity from the ****ing Kings but of course they dont know how to run a team

[ralph_i_el]

Of course ol Jim is not going to get a fair opportunity from another team his game is very unique. He should have got a fair opportunity from the ****ing Kings but of course they dont know how to run a team

His game isn't "very unique".....he's a 6'2" pull-up jump-shooter with an elite J, but average/slow footspeed and a mediocre off-ball game. His release is also slow. Watch highlights of Jimmer's J alongside guys like Jarrett Jack.

He's a borderline NBA player right now :confusedshrug: If he improves as a floor general or defender I'm sure he could have a Gary Neal-type role

[ralph_i_el]

After Jimmer failed at playing point for the Pelicans when Jrue went down, they gave Gal Mekel and Nate Wolters the position (along with Russ Smith and Toney Douglas)


but dat racism though. It seems like shitty people want to shift the blame for their failures onto something they can't control. Stalker, you project too much.

[stalkerforlife]

Goran Dragic, Ricky Rubio, Alexy Shved....all starters (at some point) last season. Calderon? Beno Udrih? Grevis Vasquez and JJ Barea played big minutes too last season.


Jimmer has put up 18-20 ppg-36 most of his career. It's not about scoring. He's a ball dominant, undersized, slow shooting guard. Nobody has doubted his skills as a scorer.


Just because you suck ass doesn't mean there is a conspiracy keeping the white man down.

You must be new to life. Hint: Black people, the brotherhood, are far more likely to accept a foreigner as one of their own than a pasty white American Mormon. :rolleyes:

[stalkerforlife]

After Jimmer failed at playing point for the Pelicans when Jrue went down, they gave Gal Mekel and Nate Wolters the position (along with Russ Smith and Toney Douglas)


but dat racism though. It seems like shitty people want to shift the blame for their failures onto something they can't control. Stalker, you project too much.

You're clueless.

Jimmer was never given an opportunity with the Pelicans.

[DCL]

at least he lasted longer than adam morrison

[macpierce]

at least he lasted longer than adam morrison

Have some respect, Adam Morrison is a 2X Champion :D

[ralph_i_el]

Have some respect, Adam Morrison is a 2X Champion :D

Ammo could have been decent if he didn't get hurt so early in his career. He still comes out for summer leagues and gets buckets vs young dudes.

[All Net]

Guys

Stay on topic please

Otherwise this thread will be closed!

[3peated]

he got cut because he doesn't pass the ball i'm pretty sure. he just wants to shoot. that won't work in the spurs offense, or any successful team.

[Paul George 24]

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[Levity]

And that photo, if indeed staged, was because there were numerous reports of friction between the two. Nonetheless, I'm sure each respected the others talent.




:wtf:

[Euroleague]

Good stuff. He's a terrible player who's simply not good enough to make it in the NBA.

Have fun in Europe.

No team in Europe is signing him. He's not good enough for Euroleague, and that's the only league in Europe where he can get the kind of money he would want.

Players of his caliber end up in China, not Euroleague.

This isn't the 1980s.

[outbreak]

No team in Europe is signing him. He's not good enough for Euroleague, and that's the only league in Europe where he can get the kind of money he would want.

Players of his caliber end up in China, not Euroleague.

This isn't the 1980s.
:roll:

https://media.giphy.com/media/edx26Ro8sgoEM/giphy.gif

[TripleA]

No team in Europe is signing him. He's not good enough for Euroleague, and that's the only league in Europe where he can get the kind of money he would want.

Players of his caliber end up in China, not Euroleague.

This isn't the 1980s.
:applause: The truth has come out.

[outbreak]

NBA:
Fredette - 6.1PPG 1.4APG
Spanoulis - 2.7ppg 0.9APG

EUROLEAGUE:
Spanoulis - 12PPG 4APG
Fredette - 27PPG 5.6APG*


*V-span scored 4.5 times more points and 4 times more assists in the Euroleague so we can use this increase to predict Fredette's stats over there



I therefore conclude Fredette would average 3.6 statues in Europe if he decides to play in the Euroleague.

[catch24]

If Anthony Parker could win MVP in Euroleague, I'm sure Jimmer would be pretty effective there too.

Just saying :confusedshrug:

[smoovegittar]

NBA:
Fredette - 6.1PPG 1.4APG
Spanoulis - 2.7ppg 0.9APG

EUROLEAGUE:
Spanoulis - 12PPG 4APG
Fredette - 27PPG 5.6APG*


*V-span scored 4.5 times more points and 4 times more assists in the Euroleague so we can use this increase to predict Fredette's stats over there



I therefore conclude Fredette would average 3.6 statues in Europe if he decides to play in the Euroleague.

Racist! :oldlol:

[outbreak]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/why-jimmer-fredette-has-been-such-a-big-bust-in-the-nba-023311779.html

"Jimmer thinks everybody is stupid," said an NBA assistant who worked with Fredette. "He thinks everybody needs to come and just turn over their offense and let him shoot it anytime he wants. That's not how the league works."

"He won't adjust his game for it," he said. "He'll tell you, 'This is what I did at BYU.' Well, BYU, that's a long time ago."

[Euroleague]

After Jimmer failed at playing point for the Pelicans when Jrue went down, they gave Gal Mekel and Nate Wolters the position (along with Russ Smith and Toney Douglas)


but dat racism though. It seems like shitty people want to shift the blame for their failures onto something they can't control. Stalker, you project too much.

But this does imply racsim.

Wolters and Mekel are horrible scrubs. Mekel was a super scrub in Europe and got an NBA contract. He is now the worst point guard in the Euroleague, and his team already wants to cut him.

Wolters tried out with some Euroleague teams and did not earn a contract.

He's now playing for an average at best level team in the Eurocup (the league level that is BELOW the Euroleague), and so far he played pretty much like crap - can't handle the ball well enough, can't properly run a team, can't defend.

So the simple fact that teams chose such players over Jimmer DOES imply racism. Jimmer sucks, but he's way better than someone like freaking Gal Mekel, that TWO NBA teams gave several chances to him, for no reason. He was a huge scrub in Europe, so why was he signed at all to the NBA?

Could it be because he's Jewish and Cuban, who brought him to the NBA is also Jewish? Mark Stein, who is also Jewish wrote several articles about Mekel and made him sound like he was an absolute mega star in Europe, when he was a super scrub, that played in Europe for years and never even made Euroleague rosters.

The very enormous dichotomy of how the NBA bent over backwards to try to get Gal Mekel, one of the biggest scrubs in Europe (he was not a top 500 player in Europe) into the league and keep him in the league, as compared to a player like Jimmer, that is good enough to be a 10th man in the NBA, yet teams clearly don't make any effort to keep him -----> that screams of racism, when you consider the vast majority of people running and owning NBA teams and the league itself are Jewish.

I have no issue with giving a guy like Mekel a chance, but showing favoritism to certain players because they are black or Jewish seems to be an extremely common thing in the NBA, while showing a definite bias against white and Asian players also seems to be a constant theme in the NBA.

Jimmer sucks, and I am sure he will end up in China with the other scrubs, but that still does not remove the extremely obvious, which is that the NBA is very, very racist.

The NBA does everything it can to push black and Jewish players, while white and Asian players clearly are held to a much different standard.

The mere fact that so-called NBA fans can't see that, or argue against that, also is clear evidence that most NBA fans are also racist.

The NBA is a racist league, with a racist league with a racist agenda, and it is no surprise then that it appeals to people that are also racist (typical NBA only fans on this forum display extreme racism in most of their posts).

Players should not be judged by their skin color, religion, ethnicity, whatever, but there is no doubt that the NBA does just that. It even favors black players from certain countries, like say France (while some white French players that are better can't get in the NBA), while some other countries, like Greece, they have zero chance at getting into the NBA, if they are white. But someone like Antetokounmpo came into the NBA from being the 6th best player on Greece's under 20 national team, and the 4th best player on his club team in Greece, that played not in the Greek League, but in Greece's version of the D-League.

A white Greek player can't get in the NBA if he is the best player in Europe at his time (Papaloukas, Diamantidis), or does, and then is benched for no reason (Spanoulis).

Thanasis Antetokounmpo, strangely is given chance after chance by NBA teams..............

Yao was endlessly mocked with racist slurs and treated horribly by NBA refs the whole time he played in the NBA. Yi is good enough to be in the NBA and contribute, and as soon as NBA teams realized that he was not the cash cow for Chinese merchandise and TV revenue that Yao was, he was out of the league immediately.


An NBA GM bragged about to draftexpress.com that his #1 and only rule on draft day is "never draft a white guy". If a GM said "never draft a black guy", he would have banned for life from the league.

Chris Paul said he would "never play for a white coach"........what did his team do? Hire a black coach. Imagine if a white player said, he "would never play for a black coach"...........that player would be permanently black balled from any American sports league.

Eddie Johnson said white guys from Europe should not be allowed to play in the NBA because "they take away million dollar jobs from young black men". Yeah, imagine a white player saying "black guys from Europe should not be allowed to play in the NBA because they take away million dollar jobs from young white men.

The only kinds of person that can't see how blatantly racist the NBA is, are racists themselves.

The fact that Jimmer isn't a good player, does not have anything to do with the clear racism the NBA has. It just makes it an easy excuse for the NBA to treat players like him differently, than any number of dozens of black players that are horribly bad players (could never make a Euroleague rotation for example), yet always, year after year, somehow have an NBA contract.

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But this does imply racsim.

Wolters and Mekel are horrible scrubs. Mekel was a super scrub in Europe and got an NBA contract. He is not the worst point guard in the Euroleague, and his team already wants to cut him.

Wolters triued out with some Euroleague teams and did not earn a contract.

He's now playing for an average at best level team in the Eurocup (the league level that is BELOW the Euroleague), and so far he played pretty much like crap - can't handle the ball well enough, can't properly run a team, can't defend.

So the simple fact that teams chose such players over Jimmer DOES imply racism. Jimmer sucks, but he's way better than someone like freaking Gal Mekel, that TWO NBA teams gave several chances to him, for no reason. He was a huge scrub in Europe, so why was he signed at all to the NBA?

Could it be because he's Jewish and Cuban, who brought him to the NBA is also Jewish? Mark Stein, who is also Jewish wrote several articles about Mekel and made him sound like he was an absolute mega star in Europe, when he was a super scrub, that played in Europe for years and never even made Euroleague rosters.

The very enormous dichotomy of how the NBA bent over backwards to try to get Gal Mekel, one of the biggest scrubs in Europe (he was not a top 500 player in Europe) into the league and keep him in the league, as compared to a player like Jimmer, that is good enough to be a 10th man in the NBA, yet teams clearly don't make any effort to keep him -----> that screams of racism, when you consider the vast majority of people running and owning NBA teams and the league itself are Jewish.

I have no issue with giving a guy like Mekel a chance, but showing favoritism to certain players because they are black or Jewish seems to be an extremely common thing in the NBA, while showing a definite bias against white and Asian players also seems to be a constant theme in the NBA.

Jimmer sucks, and I am sure he will end up in China with the other scrubs, but that still does not remove the extremely obvious, which is that the NBA is very, very racist.

The NBA does everything it can to push black and Jewish players, while white and Asian players clearly are held to a much different standard.

The mere fact that so-called NBA fans can't see that, or argue against that, also is clear evidence that most NBA fans are also racist.

The NBA is a racist league, with a racist league with a racist agenda, and it is no surprise then that it appeals to people that are also racist (typical NBA only fans on this forum display extreme racism in most of their posts).

Players should not be judged by their skin color, religion, ethnicity, whatever, but their is no doubt that the NBA does just that. It even favors black players from certain countries, like say France (while some white French players that are better can't get in the NBA), while some other countries, like Greece, they have zero chance at getting into the NBA, if they are white. But someone like Antetokounmpo came into the NBA from being the 6th best player on Greece's under 20 national team, and the 4th best player on his club team in Greece, that played not in the Greek League, but in Greece's version of the D-League.

A white Greek player can't get in the NBA if he is the best player in Europe at his time (Papaloukas, Diamantidis), or does, and then is benched for no reason (Spanoulis).

Thanasis Antetokounmpo, strangely is given chance after chance by NBA teams..............

Yao was endlessly mocked with racist slurs and treated horribly by NBA refs the whole time he played in the NBA. Yi is good enough to be in the NBA and contribute, and as soon as NBA teams realized that he was not the cash cow for Chinese merchandise and TV revenue that Yao was, he was out of the league immediately.


An NBA GM bragged about to draftexpress.com that his #1 and only rule on draft day is "never draft a white guy". If a GM said "never draft a black guy". he would have banned for life from the league.

Chris Paul said he would "never play for a white coach"........what did his team do? Hire a black coach. Imagine if a white player said, he "would never play for a black coach"...........that player would be permanently black balled from any American sports league.

Eddie Johnson said white guys from Europe should not be allowed to play in the NBA because "they take away million dollar jobs from young black men". Yeah, imagine a white player saying "black guys from Europe should not be allowed to play in the NBA because they take away million dollar jobs from young white men.

The only kinds of person that can't see how blatantly racist the NBA is, are racists themselves.

The fact that Jimmer isn't a good player, does not have anything to do with the clear racism the NBA has. It just makes it an easy excuse for the NBA to treat players like him differently, than any number of dozens of black players that are horribly bad players (could never make a Euroleague rotation for example), yet always, year after year, somehow have an NBA contract.
There's more than just talent when it comes to who gets the minutes. You'd rather someone who's somewhat steady and puts in on defence than a guy like jimmer who plays zero D and if anonymous coaches are to be believed is an ass in training and just wants to shoot and be the star. Same reason proven vets who are average to below average players often get a roster spot over young unproven players who are more talented.

[Euroleague]

:roll:

https://media.giphy.com/media/edx26Ro8sgoEM/giphy.gif

There isn't a single rotation point guard in Euroleague that he's as good as, save someone like Gal Mekel, who I already mentioned is about to get cut from his team.

There is no Euroleague team that is going to give him a huge contract, which make no mistake he will want a huge contract, since he can get that in China.

If you think otherwise, you are not only delusional and a pathological liar, but you also display clear signs of racism.

"Go play with the other white bums in Europe"...........that is exactly what kind of racism your post wreaks of.

stalker is right, the NBA and most of the fans here on ISH constantly display a clear racism.

[Euroleague]

If Anthony Parker could win MVP in Euroleague, I'm sure Jimmer would be pretty effective there too.

Just saying :confusedshrug:

You have made about 50 posts in this forum, that proved you don't even know what the Euroleague is.

[catch24]

You have made about 50 posts in this forum, that proved you don't even know what the Euroleague is.

So you're saying Anthony Parker didn't win Euroleague MVP? Twice...?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Parker

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[Euroleague]

There's more than just talent when it comes to who gets the minutes. You'd rather someone who's somewhat steady and puts in on defence than a guy like jimmer who plays zero D and if anonymous coaches are to be believed is an ass in training and just wants to shoot and be the star. Same reason proven vets who are average to below average players often get a roster spot over young unproven players who are more talented.

And the same reason these points are always mentioned to excuse racism by the NBA. It's true about Jimmer, so they can say it about him, to excuse racism holding him to a different standard.

Don't tell me the NBA is not incredibly racist, when Patrick Beverley was the 3rd string point guard in Olympiacos in Euroleague, and was I believe the 12th man of the team overall.

He then could not get a Euroleague contract, and had to play in Europe's second tier league.

Suddenly, the Rockets gave him an NBA contract, and did everything to make him get a career in the NBA, with the role and playing time he got.

Coincidentally, the same Rockets GM, allowed Spanoulis to be benched permanently for no reason. Beverely played on the same team as Spanoulis, Olympiacos. In Olympiacos Beverely was the 12th man, and Spanoulis the MVP of Euroleague, MVP of Greek League, MVP of Euroleague final four.

The Rockets GM claimed to have watched all of Beverley's Euroleague games before signing him, and said he was "the best point guard in Europe".

You can actually type here in response to this kind of shit that the NBA isn't racist as hell? If you can, you just expose to everyone that you are racist.

There have been a couple books written about Drazen Petrovic, where he open said the NBA was racist towards him, and that racism was why he got benched in Portland, racism was why he was 1 week from being out of the NBA and back to Europe (before the Nets got him), and that racism was what kept out of making the NBA all star team.

He also was quoted numerous times as having said he refused to play in the NBA anymore, due to its racism, and it's a proven fact that he signed with Panathinaikos right before he died, and claimed he did so because of the racism in the NBA.

He said he wanted to leave the Blazers and go back to Europe, and then at the last second he went to the Nets. If that happened, all racist NBA fans would just say he was a "star in the minor leagues" but that "he could not cut it in the vastly superior NBA with the big boys". Hundreds of such posts like that are made here on a weekly basis by racist NBA only fans, that openly brag about being racist.

The NBA got very lucky when Petrovic died, because otherwise, people would have found out he left the NBA and signed with a Greek team, because he was so sick of the racism he dealt with while playing in the NBA. Because he died, the NBA avoided being outed like that for its racism back then.

[catch24]

It is strange that MOST euros find their niches the moment they're drafted. On the other hand, most white american players have been "busts" from jumpstreet. Don't know if thats opportunity, talent level or.....

[stalkerforlife]

And the same reason these points are always mentioned to excuse racism by the NBA. It's true about Jimmer, so they can say it about him, to excuse racism holding him to a different standard.

Don't tell me the NBA is not incredibly racist, when Patrick Beverley was the 3rd string point guard in Olympiacos in Euroleague, and was I believe the 12th man of the team overall.

He then could not get a Euroleague contract, and had to play in Europe's second tier league.

Suddenly, the Rockets gave him an NBA contract, and did everything to make him get a career in the NBA, with the role and playing time he got.

Coincidentally, the same Rockets GM, allowed Spanoulis to be benched permanently for no reason. Beverely played on the same team as Spanoulis, Olympiacos. In Olympiacos Beverely was the 12th man, and Spanoulis the MVP of Euroleague, MVP of Greek League MVP of Euroleague final four.

The Rockets GM claimed to have watched all of Beverley's Euroleague games before signing him, and said he was "the best point guard in Europe".

You can actually type here in response to this kind of shit that the NBA isn't racist as hell? If you can, you just expose to everyone that you are racist.

There have been a couple books written about Drazen Petrovic, where he open said the NBA was racist towards him, and that racism was he got benched in Portland, racism was why he was 1 week from being out of the NBA and back to Europe (before the Nets got him), and that racism was what kept out of making the NBA all star team.

He also was quoted numerous times as having said he refused to play in the NBA anymore, due to its racism, and it's a proven fact that he signed with Panathinaikos right before he died, and claimed he did so because of the racism in the NBA.

He said he wanted to leave the Blazers and go back to Europe, and then at the last second he went to the Nets. If that happened, all racist NBA fans would just say he was a "star in the minor leagues" but that "he could not cut it in the vastly superior NBA with the big boys". Hundreds of such posts like that are made here on a weekly basis by racist NBA only fans, that openly brag about being racist.

The NBA got very lucky when Petrovic died, because otherwise, people would have found out he left the NBA and signed with a Greek team, because he was so sick of the racism he dealt with while playing in the NBA. Because he died, the NBA avoided being outed like that for its racism back then.

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The entire nba is one great big organisation set up to keep the greeks down

[Euroleague]

So you're saying Anthony Parker didn't win Euroleague MVP? Twice...?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Parker



:confusedshrug:

He won two MVPs. He won the online fan voting, which is how the award is decided.

The media vote, which comes through the All Europe Player of the year, both years went to Sarunas Jasikevicius.

Euroleague MVP isn't the same criteria as an NBA MVP. Spanoulis was the only player to ever win Euroleague MVP, without winning the fan vote.

To further this, Spanoulis won the media vote 3 straight years, yet only once got the actual award, losing it twice to the player that won the online fan vote.

All Europe Player of the year is the award that is equivalent to NBA MVP (meaning the one voted on by the media). Jasikevicius won that in 2004 and 2005, not Parker. Parker was not actually ever voted MVP by the media, meaning he never won an award that is equivalent to an NBA MVP.

So yes, he won two Euroleague MVPs, but you LIE and TROLL, if you don't put context and fact into these awards, and imply (FALSELY) that they are awards given in the same context and meaning that NBA awards are.

This is an extreme trolling technique, that dozens of posters in this forum do whenever the subject of the Euroleague comes up. Which also is clear evidence of racism from people in this forum. In trying always troll tactics to make Euroleague (or what the racists call "the white guy league") seem worse than it actually is, and make the NBA (or what the racists call "the black guy league) seem better than it really is.

The pathetic thing is that all the people like you that do this, actually can't grasp that every single person with a high IQ and that is not racist can see right through your incredibly racist agenda posts. Because all the clowns here that make these kinds of posts over and over, have zero tact. Something that just supports it being racism even more, since numerous studies have shown that racists have the lowest IQs in the general population. Stupid people can't comprehend tact.

[Euroleague]

The entire nba is one great big organisation set up to keep the greeks down

Racist hand book 101:

Rule #1: When you have been properly identified and outed by someone as the racist that you are, begin to openly mock, attack, and deflect, at all costs.

[catch24]

He won two MVPs. He won the online fan voting, which is how the award is decided.

Incorrect. Fans ONLY make up 25% of the vote, while the media has 75%, which is ultimately how the award is decided.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euroleague_MVP

[quote][B]Starting with the 2004

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Racist hand book 101:

Rule #1: When you have been properly identified and outed by someone as the racist that you are, begin to openly mock, attack, and deflect, at all costs.
:facepalm
I'm european you piece of shit

[ralph_i_el]

But this does imply racsim.

Wolters and Mekel are horrible scrubs. Mekel was a super scrub in Europe and got an NBA contract. He is now the worst point guard in the Euroleague, and his team already wants to cut him.

Wolters tried out with some Euroleague teams and did not earn a contract.

He's now playing for an average at best level team in the Eurocup (the league level that is BELOW the Euroleague), and so far he played pretty much like crap - can't handle the ball well enough, can't properly run a team, can't defend.

So the simple fact that teams chose such players over Jimmer DOES imply racism. Jimmer sucks, but he's way better than someone like freaking Gal Mekel, that TWO NBA teams gave several chances to him, for no reason. He was a huge scrub in Europe, so why was he signed at all to the NBA?

Could it be because he's Jewish and Cuban, who brought him to the NBA is also Jewish? Mark Stein, who is also Jewish wrote several articles about Mekel and made him sound like he was an absolute mega star in Europe, when he was a super scrub, that played in Europe for years and never even made Euroleague rosters.

The very enormous dichotomy of how the NBA bent over backwards to try to get Gal Mekel, one of the biggest scrubs in Europe (he was not a top 500 player in Europe) into the league and keep him in the league, as compared to a player like Jimmer, that is good enough to be a 10th man in the NBA, yet teams clearly don't make any effort to keep him -----> that screams of racism, when you consider the vast majority of people running and owning NBA teams and the league itself are Jewish.

I have no issue with giving a guy like Mekel a chance, but showing favoritism to certain players because they are black or Jewish seems to be an extremely common thing in the NBA, while showing a definite bias against white and Asian players also seems to be a constant theme in the NBA.

Jimmer sucks, and I am sure he will end up in China with the other scrubs, but that still does not remove the extremely obvious, which is that the NBA is very, very racist.

The NBA does everything it can to push black and Jewish players, while white and Asian players clearly are held to a much different standard.

The mere fact that so-called NBA fans can't see that, or argue against that, also is clear evidence that most NBA fans are also racist.

The NBA is a racist league, with a racist league with a racist agenda, and it is no surprise then that it appeals to people that are also racist (typical NBA only fans on this forum display extreme racism in most of their posts).

Players should not be judged by their skin color, religion, ethnicity, whatever, but there is no doubt that the NBA does just that. It even favors black players from certain countries, like say France (while some white French players that are better can't get in the NBA), while some other countries, like Greece, they have zero chance at getting into the NBA, if they are white. But someone like Antetokounmpo came into the NBA from being the 6th best player on Greece's under 20 national team, and the 4th best player on his club team in Greece, that played not in the Greek League, but in Greece's version of the D-League.

A white Greek player can't get in the NBA if he is the best player in Europe at his time (Papaloukas, Diamantidis), or does, and then is benched for no reason (Spanoulis).

Thanasis Antetokounmpo, strangely is given chance after chance by NBA teams..............

Yao was endlessly mocked with racist slurs and treated horribly by NBA refs the whole time he played in the NBA. Yi is good enough to be in the NBA and contribute, and as soon as NBA teams realized that he was not the cash cow for Chinese merchandise and TV revenue that Yao was, he was out of the league immediately.


An NBA GM bragged about to draftexpress.com that his #1 and only rule on draft day is "never draft a white guy". If a GM said "never draft a black guy", he would have banned for life from the league.

Chris Paul said he would "never play for a white coach"........what did his team do? Hire a black coach. Imagine if a white player said, he "would never play for a black coach"...........that player would be permanently black balled from any American sports league.

Eddie Johnson said white guys from Europe should not be allowed to play in the NBA because "they take away million dollar jobs from young black men". Yeah, imagine a white player saying "black guys from Europe should not be allowed to play in the NBA because they take away million dollar jobs from young white men.

The only kinds of person that can't see how blatantly racist the NBA is, are racists themselves.

The fact that Jimmer isn't a good player, does not have anything to do with the clear racism the NBA has. It just makes it an easy excuse for the NBA to treat players like him differently, than any number of dozens of black players that are horribly bad players (could never make a Euroleague rotation for example), yet always, year after year, somehow have an NBA contract.

Horrible players who are good athletes get treated better than horrible players who are weak athletes. Sorry.

You know the NBA is run by mostly white Americans right?

Patrick Beverly is not a good point guard. He defends and hits corner 3's. He wouldn't play on a lot of NBA teams, but he fits next to Harden. The new that brought Mekel over doesn't own the Pelicans.

Facts are facts, white guards get chances to shine. When white players are good, nobody holds them back. Look at all the shine Chandler Parsons gets. He's pretty good, but he gets treated like a star. Nobody help Hayward back. He got tons of touches when he was still learning how to run the PnR.

[PistonsFan#21]

NBA racist against whites? :roll: i've seen it all.

If anything the NBA was trying to destroy the black ghetto culture by preventing players to dress how they want to and labelling black players with tatoos as thugs and unprofessional.

Also lets not forget that most likely over 80% of NBA team owners are white and the vast majority of the fans attending the games are white also.

[fandarko]

There have been a couple books written about Drazen Petrovic, where he open said the NBA was racist towards him, and that racism was why he got benched in Portland, racism was why he was 1 week from being out of the NBA and back to Europe (before the Nets got him), and that racism was what kept out of making the NBA all star team.

As a lifelong fan of Drazen, I doubt he ever said that publicly. He did speak about being treated with skepticism being from Europe while being with the Blazers, but it was more due to the fact he landed in a contender team with the best backcourt in the NBA.

I was doing my military service at the time (89-90) and I remember very well reading the papers in the military barracks, wondering how it was possible for a player that torched Europe for the last 6-7 years to score 3, 5 or 7 points in the NBA.

Fact of the matter is, while Drazen might have well averaged 15-20 a game in a different team, which would play him half an hour, the Blazers were loaded and Adelman was a douchebag, hiring role players (Young, Ainge) to fill the gaps, instead of giving PT to Drazen.

There might have been some racism, or underestimation to say the least, but that was not the main reason why Drazen didn't play.

As for Panaithinaikos, he was thinking of signing because his knee was ****ed up and he knew his time in the NBA was limited. That's what connaisseurs in Croatia will tell you.

As for Jimmer, I think he landed in the worst possible situation after the draft and didn't make any significant progress or adjustments in the meantime. He could have been a much better player, but ended up being a reject. In college he was incredible, but neither did it translate, nor did he make any significant adjustement.

[fandarko]

No team in Europe is signing him. He's not good enough for Euroleague, and that's the only league in Europe where he can get the kind of money he would want.

Players of his caliber end up in China, not Euroleague.

This isn't the 1980s.

I concur. There is no way he can play in the Euroleague or the Eurocup in his present shape and abilities.

There is a similar sized guy playing for Real Madrid as an instant shooter from the bench - Jayce Caroll - who had to adjust a ton to the European game and has been playing in Spain for years. He is a much better player than Jimmer is right now.

I am shocked at Fredette's lack of progression in the last 4 years. It's probably due to his situation (team), but one should be able to iron out one's defficiencies and build a game based on an ability one has (in his case, shooting). But he doesn't seem to have progressed an inch.

[stalkerforlife]

I concur. There is no way he can play in the Euroleague or the Eurocup in his present shape and abilities.

There is a similar sized guy playing for Real Madrid as an instant shooter from the bench - Jayce Caroll - who had to adjust a ton to the European game and has been playing in Spain for years. He is a much better player than Jimmer is right now.

I am shocked at Fredette's lack of progression in the last 4 years. It's probably due to his situation (team), but one should be able to iron out one's defficiencies and build a game based on an ability one has (in his case, shooting). But he doesn't seem to have progressed an inch.

How the hell would you know? He doesn't play!

Do you watch him practice and scrimmage? You got connections. :biggums:

[dhsilv]

How the hell would you know? He doesn't play!

Do you watch him practice and scrimmage? You got connections. :biggums:

Played about 500 minutes last year and by any measure he was awful. I mean I know 500 isn't a LOT of minutes, but it's not too little either. Perhaps he was just in a slump and never got out, but 9 of 48 from three doesn't shine to me. I've only seen him in limited minutes in the nba so I can't comment too much.

That said from all the data I see, he looks like a replacement level nba player. Unless he's been hurt I don't see why he can't make a roster. Though american born white guys do get a pretty bad rap on not being able to guard...

[ralph_i_el]

If you look closely, you'll notice that most American guards in college come from basketball families. They ball because that's the environment they were raised in. If you're tall growing up, everyone tells you "come play basketball", so you can get pulled into the world without coming from a basketball family.

In America basketball is part of black culture. That's why you see more small guys pursuing a career in basketball.

You never notice anyone claiming American whites over 6'7" being impacted by racism. It's really just guards, and in reality, less average height white American men even consider basketball a possible profession.

[IGOTGAME]

It come out the Jimmer had an attitude problem. Seems like this was his fault. Its not like the Spurs are an organization you can doubt.

[Euroleague]

Incorrect. Fans ONLY make up 25% of the vote, while the media has 75%, which is ultimately how the award is decided.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euroleague_MVP



BTW, Anthony Parker also won a Final Four MVP. I'm sure you witnessed that live, first-hand. :cheers:

The fans pick the candidates for the award, out of something like 50 players that the Euroleague committee nominates. The fans then get 25% of the vote, but the player with the most fan votes, gets 5 first place votes, while the media gets ONE VOTE EACH.

That is how the voting system works.

Meaning, the fan vote decides the MVP every single year, except one time.

In history of the award, the player winning the fan vote won the MVP every single time, except once. That was the year when Vassilis Spanoulis won the MVP, despite Carlos Arroyo winning the fan vote.

The reason Spanoulis got the MVP was because he won all the media votes, and Arroyo got zero media votes.

Again, both years Parker won the MVP, he won the fan vote, and Sarunas Jasikevicius won the media vote.

Again, Spanoulis won the media vote 3 consecutive years, but he only won the MVP once, in the year Arroyo won the fan vote, but got no media votes. The other two years Spanoulis won the media vote, he lost the award to Andrei Kirilenko and Nemanja Bjelica, who both won the fan vote, but lost the media vote.

The fan vote online decides who the Euroleague MVP is. Whoever wins the fan vote, wins the award, unless something monumentally strange happens in the vote, like the year Spanoulis beat Arroyo because Spanoulis got all the media votes and Arroyo got no media votes. And that only happened because of the freak case of Arroyo winning the fan vote (due to vote stuffing from online voting from Puerto Rico), despite not having a good season. Arroyo did not even get into the All-Euroleague first or second team, as an example.

So from 2005-2015, there have been 11 votes for Euroleague MVP award, and only one time (due to strange circumstances), did the player winning the online fan vote not get the MVP award.

[Euroleague]

As a lifelong fan of Drazen, I doubt he ever said that publicly. He did speak about being treated with skepticism being from Europe while being with the Blazers, but it was more due to the fact he landed in a contender team with the best backcourt in the NBA.

I was doing my military service at the time (89-90) and I remember very well reading the papers in the military barracks, wondering how it was possible for a player that torched Europe for the last 6-7 years to score 3, 5 or 7 points in the NBA.

Fact of the matter is, while Drazen might have well averaged 15-20 a game in a different team, which would play him half an hour, the Blazers were loaded and Adelman was a douchebag, hiring role players (Young, Ainge) to fill the gaps, instead of giving PT to Drazen.

There might have been some racism, or underestimation to say the least, but that was not the main reason why Drazen didn't play.

As for Panaithinaikos, he was thinking of signing because his knee was ****ed up and he knew his time in the NBA was limited. That's what connaisseurs in Croatia will tell you.

As for Jimmer, I think he landed in the worst possible situation after the draft and didn't make any significant progress or adjustments in the meantime. He could have been a much better player, but ended up being a reject. In college he was incredible, but neither did it translate, nor did he make any significant adjustement.

He stated numerous times that he was dealing with racism in the NBA.

[Euroleague]

I concur. There is no way he can play in the Euroleague or the Eurocup in his present shape and abilities.

There is a similar sized guy playing for Real Madrid as an instant shooter from the bench - Jayce Caroll - who had to adjust a ton to the European game and has been playing in Spain for years. He is a much better player than Jimmer is right now.

I am shocked at Fredette's lack of progression in the last 4 years. It's probably due to his situation (team), but one should be able to iron out one's defficiencies and build a game based on an ability one has (in his case, shooting). But he doesn't seem to have progressed an inch.

Jaycee Carroll is a good comparison in what it takes for small scoring shooters to play in Euroleague.

He is a really good defensive player, and he is very, very athletic. He also is able to spend the whole game just playing off the ball and coming off screens.

He's been able to get to the level of being a good role player on one of the best teams in Euroleague.

Compared to Jimmer, he's much more able to fit into a system and scheme, play without the ball, and he's much quicker, and better on defense. Plus, he can actually guard at the 2 position, playing against much bigger guards, because he is very athletic.

Jimmer would have to adjust his game and model it a lot after Carroll. However, if Jimmer could learn to do that, I do think he would be better than Carroll on offense, because he's a much better ball handler, and he's much better at creating his shot.

But the problem is for Jimmer, is that Euroleague has so many good guards that can defend, play both on and off the ball, and can guard both guard positions.

So it's really not needed for a big Euroleague team to spend a lot of money to sign him, when he would need a long time to adjust his game and learn and develop to that quality. Like Carroll did. And the fact also that he's just not good at defense, because that is where his size and slowness hurts him.

If he was in Eurocup, he could select a team more beneficial to him, but then he would not get paid what he would want. If he went to a rich Eurocup club, it would be the same case as the Euroleague.

I think he would have to start out realistically doing something like how Brady Heslip is right now. Playing in a mid tier Italian League team (Cantu) for a 2-3 years, before he would be really interesting to big Euroleague teams that could pay him. Similar to how Carroll played for several years in Gran Canaria, before he came into Real Madrid.

Again though, the problem is that he would not get the money he would want then. So, it pretty much is why players like him now go to China if they are out of the NBA. They can get the big contracts, without making any changes or improvements to their games, and they can take 30 shots every game if they want.

[Euroleague]

Played about 500 minutes last year and by any measure he was awful. I mean I know 500 isn't a LOT of minutes, but it's not too little either. Perhaps he was just in a slump and never got out, but 9 of 48 from three doesn't shine to me. I've only seen him in limited minutes in the nba so I can't comment too much.

That said from all the data I see, he looks like a replacement level nba player. Unless he's been hurt I don't see why he can't make a roster. Though american born white guys do get a pretty bad rap on not being able to guard...

Like I said, he is good enough to be a 10th man in an NBA team. So he should be able to have a permanent spot in the NBA, if he wants it. The fact that he can't seem to get one anymore does imply something is not kosher.

[ralph_i_el]

Like I said, he is good enough to be a 10th man in an NBA team. So he should be able to have a permanent spot in the NBA, if he wants it. The fact that he can't seem to get one anymore does imply something is not kosher.


yeah, except there are lots of people who are good enough to be 10th men in the NBA, who aren't *****. You basically say this yourself, whenever you go off about how many Euros can play in the NBA.....WHICH I BELIEVE (btw).

You can't have a star attitude if you are going to be a bench player. Plus, with those end of bench positions teams are more likely to take a big/athletic player that they can mold, as opposed to a 26 year old nonathletic guard. I'd much rather have Thanasis Antetokounmpo sitting on my bench than Jimmer, if Jimmer really acts like his former coaches say he did.

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yeah, except there are lots of people who are good enough to be 10th men in the NBA, who aren't *****. You basically say this yourself, whenever you go off about how many Euros can play in the NBA.....WHICH I BELIEVE (btw).

You can't have a star attitude if you are going to be a bench player. Plus, with those end of bench positions teams are more likely to take a big/athletic player that they can mold, as opposed to a 26 year old nonathletic guard. I'd much rather have Thanasis Antetokounmpo sitting on my bench than Jimmer, if Jimmer really acts like his former coaches say he did.

Or I'd much rather have an older veteran point guard who isn't going to take dumb shots and will be happy just facilitating. Or i'd rather have one of the young undrafted/waived point guards who might have some potential.

Jimmer is at a point where everyone says he has a bad attitude and he isn't young with a bunch of promise now.

[ralph_i_el]

Or I'd much rather have an older veteran point guard who isn't going to take dumb shots and will be happy just facilitating. Or i'd rather have one of the young undrafted/waived point guards who might have some potential.

Jimmer is at a point where everyone says he has a bad attitude and he isn't young with a bunch of promise now.

^This

Who knows. Maybe he'll change his attitude and make it back into the league. Plenty of room for shooters in todays game

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^This

Who knows. Maybe he'll change his attitude and make it back into the league. Plenty of room for shooters in todays game

Yeah you hope he'll go to the d-league and take it as a wake up call as to where he is at in his career. But at this point he could end up like Seth Curry where he has good summer league and d-leeague appearances but just can't get back on a roster.

[Euroleague]

yeah, except there are lots of people who are good enough to be 10th men in the NBA, who aren't *****. You basically say this yourself, whenever you go off about how many Euros can play in the NBA.....WHICH I BELIEVE (btw).

You can't have a star attitude if you are going to be a bench player. Plus, with those end of bench positions teams are more likely to take a big/athletic player that they can mold, as opposed to a 26 year old nonathletic guard. I'd much rather have Thanasis Antetokounmpo sitting on my bench than Jimmer, if Jimmer really acts like his former coaches say he did.

But the difference from guys in Europe is that 80-90 percent of them don't want to play in the NBA, and most never even considered it. Even probably like half the American players in Europe that can play in the NBA want nothing to do with the NBA. Europe is a better deal and/or more of a fit for them.

In Jimmer's case, he clearly WANTS to play in the NBA. So it's not the same situation.