2009 Lebron playoffs

[HighFlyer23]

Was it his best post season ever?

[DaOldLion]

they lost in the second round as the overwhelming favorites..

when a guy has 2 championship runs its hard to say a second round exit is his best playoffs..

[Thesmallmamba]

they lost in the second round as the overwhelming favorites..

when a guy has 2 championship runs its hard to say a second round exit is his best playoffs..

You sir, are retarted







On topic, yes it was the GOAT playoffs in NBA history, highest PER ever (37.4)

[Foster5k]

On topic, yes it was the GOAT playoffs in NBA history, highest PER ever (37.4)
There's one stat that matters above the rest, and it's called a championship.

For example...

Player A: Has the highest PER in NBA history during the playoffs but gets bounced in the second round.

Player B: Has a lower PER than Player A, but he leads his team to a championship and wins Finals MVP.

Nobody with common sense is taking player A over player B.

[Magic 32]

My favorite part of the ECF that year.

Lebron lost to a team with Jameer Nelson as the second best player.

He had 8 turnovers in the final 12 minutes of game 4.

Shot 42.6 % in the last 4 games.

[JT123]

My favorite part of the ECF that year.

Lebron lost to a team with Jameer Nelson as the second best player.

He had 8 turnovers in the final 12 minutes of game 4.

Shot 42.6 % in the last 4 games.
So he shot better than Kobe's career Finals FG%
Cool :lol

[Thesmallmamba]

My favorite part of the ECF that year.

Lebron lost to a team with Jameer Nelson as the second best player.

He had 8 turnovers in the final 12 minutes of game 4.

Shot 42.6 % in the last 4 games.


Averaged 39/8/8


And if you were intelligent instead of a drooling Kobetard, you would realize Jameer didnt even play that series


Hedo + Rashard Lewis >>> Mo Williams and Delonte West










Another time in LeBrons career where he was by far the best player but had shit teammates. Its kinda like the reverse of Kobes legacy

[JT123]

Averaged 39/8/8


And if you were intelligent instead of a drooling Kobetard, you would realize Jameer didnt even play that series


Hedo + Rashard Lewis >>> Mo Williams and Delonte West










Another time in LeBrons career where he was by far the best player but had shit teammates. Its kinda like the reverse of Kobes legacy
:oldlol: Pretty hilarious how the 2 most retarded comments in this thread have both come from Kobe stans. Their nickname suits them so perfectly :yaohappy:

[Thesmallmamba]

:oldlol: Pretty hilarious how the 2 most retarded comments in this thread have both come from Kobe stans. Their nickname suits them so perfectly :yaohappy:

i'm a rookie yet im slaying these ISH vets


I'm a prodigy here, the HS LeBron of ISH :lol

[HighFlyer23]

It was honestly one of the greatest individual runs I've ever seen

Probably the best effort ever put together by a player who didn't win the championship

35/9/7 on 51% FG is amazing

[JT123]

i'm a rookie yet im slaying these ISH vets


I'm a prodigy here, the HS LeBron of ISH :lol
Yup. You burst onto this forum with an ISH ready posting style, not only matching the hype you received, but surpassing it! :applause:

[Lebron23]

It was honestly one of the greatest individual runs I've ever seen

Probably the best effort ever put together by a player who didn't win the championship

35/9/7 on 51% FG is amazing


Me too. But Lebron in 2012 > LeBron in 2009.

[Vaniiiia]

So he shot better than Kobe's career Finals FG%
Cool :lol
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[3ball]

Me too. But Lebron in 2012 > LeBron in 2009.
Agreed - his elevated his teammates and they played great, which is what a superstar is supposed to do - elevate teammates..

But normally that doesn't happen - anytime he loses a playoffs series, his teammates always play badly... His teams never loses where teammates play well, but it's just not enough...

[Thesmallmamba]

3ball what was LeBrons per 100 stats in 2009 playoffs


What was Jordans per 100 stats between 1989-1993?


Dont dodge this question

[3ball]

:roll: :roll: :roll:


JORDAN IN 88'-93' PLAYOFFS (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html#1988-1993-sum:playoffs_per_game): 34.6 ppg.. 1.6 oreb.. 5.1 dreb.. 6.6 apg.. 2.5 spg.. 50.5% fg..
LEBRON IN 2009 PLAYOFFS:... 35.3 ppg.. 1.4 oreb.. 7.8 dreb.. 7.3 apg.. 1.6 spg.. 51.0% fg


That's 6 seasons for Jordan that match Lebron's best... And Jordan 3-peated with those stats, while Lebron lost as heavy favorite to Dwight Howard's Magic.

The fact that Lebron's very best season was MJ's standard shows why MJ's career stats (including a bunch of older, past-prime years) are better than Lebron's thru-30 stats.. And peak vs. peak, it's not remotely close - MJ scored 25% more in playoffs, with more offensive rebounds, more assists, on better efficiency:


Jordan 89'-93' (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html#1989-1993-sum:per_game): 34.4 ppg.. 6.7 rpg.. 6.8 apg.. 2.3 stl.. 25.3 fga.. 50.2 fg.. 120 ORtg
Lebron 09'-13' (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html#2009-2013-sum:per_game): 28.3 ppg.. 8.9 rpg.. 6.4 apg.. 1.8 stl.. 19.9 fga.. 48.2 fg.. 118 ORtg
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[Smoke117]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

JORDAN IN 88'-93' PLAYOFFS: 34.6 ppg.. 1.6 oreb.. 5.1 dreb.. 6.6 apg.. 2.5 spg.. 50.5% fg..
LEBRON IN 2009 PLAYOFFS:... 35.3 ppg.. 1.4 oreb.. 7.8 dreb.. 7.3 apg.. 1.6 spg.. 51.0% fg


That's 6 seasons for Jordan that match Lebron's best... And Jordan 3-peated with those stats, while Lebron lost as heavy favorite to Dwight Howard's Magic..

The fact that Lebron's very best season was MJ's standard shows why MJ's career stats (including a bunch of older, past-prime years) are better than Lebron's thru-30 stats.. And peak vs. peak, it's not remotely close - MJ scored 25% more in playoffs, with more offensive rebounds, more assists, on better efficiency:


Jordan 89'-93': 34.4 ppg.. 6.7 rpg.. 6.8 apg.. 2.3 stl.. 25.3 fga.. 50.2 fg.. 120 ORtg
Lebron 09'-13': 28.3 ppg.. 8.9 rpg.. 6.4 apg.. 1.8 stl.. 19.9 fga.. 48.2 fg.. 118 ORtg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0a3fg-fUWdw/T3On8vGgmVI/AAAAAAAAA4A/PJg-1gRMH5Y/s1600/bunk-the-wire.gif

...so many issues.

[HighFlyer23]

that is funny

Lol welcome to the thread

[Kiddlovesnets]

Well cant win a title with your head coach being Mike Brown.
:rolleyes:

[Gileraracer]

Our King was good, but he again choked in the most important moments :(

[sportjames23]

You sir, are retarted







On topic, yes it was the GOAT playoffs in NBA history, highest PER ever (37.4)


thesmallmamba starting to grow on me. :oldlol:

[kennethgriffin]

its a shame lebron had to stat pad, freezing out his teammates and make us miss out on a kobe/lebron finals



it really didnt feel right with the magic in there. seemed almost as if it was some parallel universe outcome

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

He was outplayed by Fright and lost as heavy favorites. His defense in that series was abysmal, Hardon like

[Spaulding]

You sir, are retarted

Can't tell if this error was on purpose...

*shifty eyes*

[3ball]

Jordan 89'-93' (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html#1989-1993-sum:per_game): 34.4 ppg.. 6.7 rpg.. 6.8 apg.. 2.3 stl.. 25.3 fga.. 50.2 fg.. 120 ORtg
Lebron 09'-13' (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html#2009-2013-sum:per_game): 28.3 ppg.. 8.9 rpg.. 6.4 apg.. 1.8 stl.. 19.9 fga.. 48.2 fg.. 118 ORtg



Lebron isn't used to shooting at high volume like MJ did as a standard.. He's used to 3-and-D, and you can't get 30 shot attempts on all 3-and-D.. Unfortunately, Lebron's efficiency is poor at the additional midrange and 1-on-1 required of high volume shooting - this is statistical fact.

Since he can't shoot well at high volume, he doesn't require/command a double team to PREVENT high volume... At 39% efficiency, it benefited the Warriors every time he shot... Accordingly, the Warriors tried to induce Lebron's poor efficiency at high volume by not double-teaming and letting him go 1-on-1 all alone.. The fact that Lebron uncomplicates the opponent's defense by not commanding a double team is a horrible indictment on his game.. The Warriors were literally like "let him shoot".

Otoh, with Jordan, you MUST double him - he was elite at the midrange and isolations required of high volume shooting and therefore could shoot well at high volume... It's a stark contrast - Lebron's high volume has low efficiency that can only control pace but never win, while MJ's high volume has high efficiency that thoroughly devastates teams.

Furthermore, only MJ and Hakeem have won championships while shooting efficient high volume - they're the only two with playoff runs of 25+ FGA and 45% to win a championship - MJ did it 4 times, and Hakeem once.. Everyone else, zero.. Winning rings with efficient high volume is the holy grail of basketball skill, since it requires achieving massive numbers within a winning, team framework - that requires far more skill than the jokey, playground, clearout style that Lebron uses.
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[Rocketswin2013]

its a shame lebron had to stat pad, freezing out his teammates and make us miss out on a kobe/lebron finals



it really didnt feel right with the magic in there. seemed almost as if it was some parallel universe outcome
Orlando was a good team. Cleveland was amazing offensively against them but Orlando killed the late in games. Mostly contested shots.

They did this without Nelson too.

Nothing in that series made sense. A fcking ridiculous shootout between the teams in which one was missing it's second best offensive player and had the league's best defense by far...

I think anyone would have predicted a real grind-out series with the winner scoring <90 each outcome.

Probably one of the weirdest series in NBA history.

[3ball]

Orlando was a good team. Cleveland was amazing offensively against them but Orlando killed the late in games. Mostly contested shots.

They did this without Nelson too.

Nothing in that series made sense. A fcking ridiculous shootout between the teams in which one was missing it's second best offensive player and had the league's best defense by far...

I think anyone would have predicted a real grind-out series with the winner scoring <90 each outcome.

Probably one of the weirdest series in NBA history.
In every single series Lebron loses, his teammates play horribly.. His teams never lose with his teammates playing great and the other team just having more.

Lebron's teams always lose with his teammates playing really bad, so that means Lebron simply doesn't elevate his teammates.. This is actually proven by the stats - it's statistical fact that Lebron significantly lowers the PPG and APG (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=385841) of his teammates and his presence doesn't improve the assist frequency of the team (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=385446).

It's statistical fact that Lebron achieves his stats at the expense of teammates.
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