Why did Kobe only win 1 mvp?

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I thought he was an all time great? Discuss

[DaOldLion]

Damage Control

[SouBeachTalents]

Why did Shaq only win 1 MVP?

[dubeta]

He didnt even deserve it tbh

[Nick Young]

He had 4 MVPs robbed from him by the media that hated him.

[AnaheimLakers24]

Swatted by pau

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Let's talk about why Kobe comes up short

[DaOldLion]

so are bran stans just going to make a Kobe thread every time lebron has an average game or gets blocked by a white boy in the clutch :oldlol: :oldlol:

[Bosnian Sajo]

Why do you wanna discuss this now? :confusedshrug:

[theaussieguy]

whats more ****ed is Rondo never got one

[dubeta]

Let's talk about why Kobe comes up short

IN many ways bro

Many different ways.

[Nick Young]

whats more ****ed is Rondo never got one
Role players don't get MVPs.:hammerhead:

[stalkerforlife]

Meltdown.

[Nick Young]

Let's talk about why Kobe comes up short
does he?
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[theaussieguy]

srsly tho, i just checked the box score, is that little weakling irving injured again? God what a marshmallow.

[20Four]

I thought he was an all time great? Discuss

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[Showtime2001]

Why is LeBron 2/6 in the finals I thought he was an all time great?

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[IllegalD]

MELTDOWN CONFIRMED

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[dubeta]

I need a cheeseburger, large fries and a Capri sun

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Holy shit

Good one :lol :oldlol:

[20Four]

I need a cheeseburger, large fries and a Capri sun

Thanks
Is that all you eat? No wonder why your always home, too fat to move and go outside huh

[BlakFrankWhite]

And that was Paul's MVP btw

[Lebron23]

srsly tho, i just checked the box score, is that little weakling irving injured again? God what a marshmallow.


Out for 2 months

[jstern]

Why did Shaq only win 1 MVP?

Look at his games per season and that will tell you the answer.

[kennethgriffin]

the reason kobe only won 1 mvp is because hes kobe


if his name was mike or lebron he'd have won in 2003, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010 and maybe even 2013


its all agendas.. its all baseless criteria that changes every year


jordan won mvp in 1988 with a 50-32 record...

he didnt even have a top 5 record. i think it was like 7th best


yet he won MVP over 1st place magic johnson and 1st place larry bird


both of whom were having terrific years


just goes to show you how agendas rule the world

[SouBeachTalents]

the reason kobe only won 1 mvp is because hes kobe


if his name was mike or lebron he'd have won in 2003, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010 and maybe even 2013


its all agendas.. its all baseless criteria that changes every year


jordan won mvp in 1988 with a 50-32 record...

he didnt even have a top 5 record. i think it was like 7th best


yet he won MVP over 1st place magic johnson and 1st place larry bird


both of whom were having terrific years


just goes to show you how agendas rule the world




Kobe has absolutely no argument for MVP in '03, '09, '10, or '13

[kennethgriffin]

Kobe has absolutely no argument for MVP in '03, '09, '10, or '13


why

[SouBeachTalents]

why

Why would he win it over LeBron in any of those years you listed? Worse stats AND worse team record, while having superior teammates in '09 & '10. In '03 why would he win it over Duncan, KG, or even McGrady?

[dubeta]

Why would he win it over LeBron in any of those years you listed? Worse stats AND worse team record, while having superior teammates in '09 & '10. In '03 why would he win it over Duncan, KG, or even McGrady?

kenneth is a balding fool

[kennethgriffin]

lets be honest. if kobe had lebron or jordans media behind him.. theyed make their criteria fit kobe nearly every season

2003

http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/53ea61a9ecad04b0270b3928-480/bill-simmons-nba-draft-2013.jpg

" well its obvious kobe is mvp. 9 straight 40 point games, 30/6/5 average, 40 ppg for an entire month, 12 threes in a game. hes the best player by far"

2006

http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/53ea61a9ecad04b0270b3928-480/bill-simmons-nba-draft-2013.jpg

"well its obvious kobe is mvp. 81 points, 62 in 3 quarters outscoring the mavericks, multiple months with 40ppg. hes the most valuable player to any team. if you took him off theyed be in last place"


2007

http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/53ea61a9ecad04b0270b3928-480/bill-simmons-nba-draft-2013.jpg

"well its obvious kobe is mvp. 4 straight 50 point games with 2 of them being over 60 during that stretch. just like 2006.. who else could take kwame and smush to the playoffs"

2008

http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/53ea61a9ecad04b0270b3928-480/bill-simmons-nba-draft-2013.jpg

"look at how this man has revived gasols career. before he joined him he hadn't won a playoff game. remarkable. best player on the best team in the toughest conference"


2009

http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/53ea61a9ecad04b0270b3928-480/bill-simmons-nba-draft-2013.jpg

"reigning mvp. i see no reason to give it to lebron. playing in the west and getting basically the same win total is way more impressive"


2010
http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/53ea61a9ecad04b0270b3928-480/bill-simmons-nba-draft-2013.jpg

"how can we go against the back to back mvp, reigning finals mvp, nba champion... after what he showed us last year. ditto... best player on the best team in the best conference"

2013

http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/53ea61a9ecad04b0270b3928-480/bill-simmons-nba-draft-2013.jpg

"cant believe how much this guy carried a team full of injured players to the playoffs with all the odds stacked against him. 2nd best record in the nba after the allstar game. blowing his achilles out and basically ending his career just to give an ungrateful jerk like dwight howard a chance to win a ring... and they fold in a 0-4 sweep without kobe. hes obviously the mvp."








kobe needed that media agenda driven medicine that espn and abc shove down americas throats...

its the only way to get the sheep to believe.

[kennethgriffin]

kenneth is a balding fool


i said i'd gladly post more pics for you if all you did was show you face



i'm not a mangled ugo like you. and i'm proud to show it. but i won't dance for you on command without payment

[Straight_Ballin]

I thought he was an all time great? Discuss

Rent free.

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[kennethgriffin]

lets be honest. if kobe had lebron or jordans media behind him.. theyed make their criteria fit kobe nearly every season

2003

http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/53ea61a9ecad04b0270b3928-480/bill-simmons-nba-draft-2013.jpg

" well its obvious kobe is mvp. 9 straight 40 point games, 30/6/5 average, 40 ppg for an entire month, 12 threes in a game. hes the best player by far"

2006

http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/53ea61a9ecad04b0270b3928-480/bill-simmons-nba-draft-2013.jpg

"well its obvious kobe is mvp. 81 points, 62 in 3 quarters outscoring the mavericks, multiple months with 40ppg. hes the most valuable player to any team. if you took him off theyed be in last place"


2007

http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/53ea61a9ecad04b0270b3928-480/bill-simmons-nba-draft-2013.jpg

"well its obvious kobe is mvp. 4 straight 50 point games with 2 of them being over 60 during that stretch. just like 2006.. who else could take kwame and smush to the playoffs"

2008

http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/53ea61a9ecad04b0270b3928-480/bill-simmons-nba-draft-2013.jpg

"look at how this man has revived gasols career. before he joined him he hadn't won a playoff game. remarkable. best player on the best team in the toughest conference"


2009

http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/53ea61a9ecad04b0270b3928-480/bill-simmons-nba-draft-2013.jpg

"reigning mvp. i see no reason to give it to lebron. playing in the west and getting basically the same win total is way more impressive"


2010
http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/53ea61a9ecad04b0270b3928-480/bill-simmons-nba-draft-2013.jpg

"how can we go against the back to back mvp, reigning finals mvp, nba champion... after what he showed us last year. ditto... best player on the best team in the best conference"

2013

http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/53ea61a9ecad04b0270b3928-480/bill-simmons-nba-draft-2013.jpg

"cant believe how much this guy carried a team full of injured players to the playoffs with all the odds stacked against him. 2nd best record in the nba after the allstar game. blowing his achilles out and basically ending his career just to give an ungrateful jerk like dwight howard a chance to win a ring... and they fold in a 0-4 sweep without kobe. hes obviously the mvp."








kobe needed that media agenda driven medicine that espn and abc shove down americas throats...

its the only way to get the sheep to believe.


i don't think i've ever posted a more thought provoking case as to why kobe only has 1 mvp


the media truly is in control. they tell us whats valuable and what isnt

[ProfessorMurder]

Never been the best in the league. Only won once because people threw him a damn bone, even though two guys were better than him that season.

Sad really. Guy had potential.

[kennethgriffin]

Never been the best in the league. Only won once because people threw him a damn bone, even though two guys were better than him that season.

Sad really. Guy had potential.


find 1 person in or around the nba that shares that opinion


difference between kobe fans and his haters is we're the ones everyone agrees with


kobe was the best by far for a good half decade. and right there for the other half split between before and after


common knowledge



2003/04/05 kobe = right there

2006/07/08/09/10 = best player to most fans/nba players/hof'rs

2011/12/13 = right there

[Lebron23]

Not good enough to win another MVP.

[Wade's Rings]

Is that all you eat? No wonder why your always home, too fat to move and go outside huh

:lebronamazed:

[kennethgriffin]

Not good enough to win another MVP.


how good was shaq


how good was babe ruth


how good was maurice richard


how good was ken griffey jr

[Lebron23]

how good was shaq


how good was babe ruth


how good was maurice richard


how good was ken griffey jr


Shaq was robbed in 2001, 2005, and in 1995. Shaq in his MVP Season > Kobe Bryant.

[SouBeachTalents]

Shaq was robbed in 2001, 2005, and in 1995. Shaq in his MVP Season > Kobe Bryant.

Lol, 2000 Shaq is arguably the GOAT single season player

[sportjames23]

Why they let the Terminator win the election?

Why?

[IllegalD]

Not good enough to win another MVP.

All LeBron Stanleys can do is count regular season MVPs, because that's the only thing that's keeping LeBron's shaky legacy in the Top 25 of all time.

[Lebron23]

All LeBron Stanleys can do is count regular season MVPs, because that's the only thing that's keeping LeBron's shaky legacy in the Top 25 of all time.


Kobe and Lebron have 2 Finals MVP. Kobe is not in the same level as LeBron.

[Cold soul]

Kobe should of had few more MVP or at least one.

[IllegalD]

Kobe and Lebron have 2 Finals MVP. Kobe is not in the same level as LeBron.

LeBron needs to win 3 more Finals just to have a WINNING Finals record.

How pathetic is that? :applause:

[Lebron23]

LeBron needs to win 3 more Finals just to have a WINNING Finals record.

How pathetic is that? :applause:


They are going to win the championship this year. Want to make a bet?? Do you even have a $200 dollars? I hope you honor your bet, and don't be a huge b1tch like Poido123.

[IllegalD]

They are going to win the championship this year. Want to make a bet?? Do you even have a $200 dollars? I hope you honor your bet, and don't be a huge b1tch like Poido123.

Yes, I do actually. I have a real job. Not turning tricks as a pinoy f*g sexslave like you.

You've been saying that LeBron was gonna' win the championship for the past 2 seasons. :lol

[Lebron23]

Yes, I do actually. I have a real job. Not turning tricks as a pinoy f*g sexslave like you.

You've been saying that LeBron was gonna' win the championship for the past 2 seasons. :lol


Put your money where your mouth is. Send me your payment.

[dhsilv]

I thought he was an all time great? Discuss

Well, I guess they only wanted to let him steal one? Kobe's greatness is in his longevity and consistently being among the best players in the game. He was never the actual best player in the NBA, despite narratives to the contrary. Being a top 5 player year after year and top 10 for more than a decade is impressive.

People also greatly over value playoff success in the post MJ era. Sadly this board is even worse than the general population in that area.

[dhsilv]

find 1 person in or around the nba that shares that opinion


difference between kobe fans and his haters is we're the ones everyone agrees with


kobe was the best by far for a good half decade. and right there for the other half split between before and after


common knowledge



2003/04/05 kobe = right there

2006/07/08/09/10 = best player to most fans/nba players/hof'rs

2011/12/13 = right there

You seriously cannot even being to make ANY of those arguments. Kobe's play in those years just isn't close to any of this crap. Just....mind blowing how dumb this reads!

Remember the MVP is a regular season award. Winning the title doesn't play into it.

[SouBeachTalents]

LeBron needs to win 3 more Finals just to have a WINNING Finals record.

How pathetic is that? :applause:

Must be nice being able to win titles averaging 16 ppg on 37% in the Finals while having your teammate put up 35/15 every Finals

[Dragonyeuw]

In a nutshell, for the years he was MVP caliber:

2001-2003- Shaq was still considered the defacto leader and number one option, even though Kobe was putting up number one stats. Iverson lead a marginally talented, defensive-oriented Sixers squad to the top seed in 2001. Duncan was unquestioned leader of Spurs leading them to high seedings in a tough western conference while putting up 20/10/3 numbers

2004- Off-year after Colorado incident. Garnett was better and led Wolves to top seeding. Duncan was still considered better overall.

2005-2007- Team wasn't good enough record-wise, which brings the argument about what constitutes 'valuable' as Kobe was dragging mostly scrubs to the playoffs while playing at a historically great offensive level.

2009-2010- Lebron was considered better at this point, though realistically Kobe could have been MVP either or both of these years. Wade was on the same level, but on a worse team( similar to Kobe in 2006).

2013- Lebron universally recognized as best player, on a better team.

I think alot comes down to how MVP is defined. But realistically, Kobe could have been MVP in 2003, 2006, 2009 or 2010. He 'should' have at least 3, as much as 4 taking 2008 into account.

[SouBeachTalents]

In a nutshell, for the years he was MVP caliber:

2001-2003- Shaq was still considered the defacto leader and number one option, even though Kobe was putting up number one stats. Iverson lead a marginally talented, defensive-oriented Sixers squad to the top seed in 2001. Duncan was unquestioned leader of Spurs leading them to high seedings in a tough western conference while putting up 20/10/3 numbers

2004- Off-year after Colorado incident. Garnett was better and led Wolves to top seeding. Duncan was still considered better overall.

2005-2007- Team wasn't good enough record-wise, which brings the argument about what constitutes 'valuable' as Kobe was dragging mostly scrubs to the playoffs while playing at a historically great offensive level.

2009-2010- Lebron was considered better at this point, though realistically Kobe could have been MVP either or both of these years. Wade was on the same level, but on a worse team( similar to Kobe in 2006).

2013- Lebron universally recognized as best player, on a better team.

I think alot comes down to how MVP is defined. But realistically, Kobe could have been MVP in 2003, 2006, 2009 or 2010. He 'should' have at least 3, as much as 4 taking 2008 into account.

Again, what argument would he have over LeBron in '09 & '10 with worse stats AND team record with better teammates?

And what argument would he have over Duncan, KG, and even McGrady in '03?

[Dragonyeuw]

Again, what argument would he have over LeBron in '09 & '10 with worse stats AND team record with better teammates?

And what argument would he have over Duncan, KG, and even McGrady in '03?

What are you going on about? I didn't say he 'should' have won over Lebron in 2009 or 2010, or Duncan/KG in 2003. 'Could' and 'should' are two clearly distinctive sentiments. I'm mainly saying he had MVP caliber years where someone else(s) was generally considered better. It's no different from any other year, several guys 'could' win MVP. Looking at the composition of their teams last year, what makes Curry more 'valuable' to the success of his team than Harden?

The problem with the MVP vote is that the voting rationale is a sliding scale. What is 'more' valuable? A great player on a so-so team than gets 50 wins, take them off the team and they're probably 20 wins worse? Or a great player on a talented team that could probably still win 50 games without you? What is valuable in NBA terms?

[BlakFrankWhite]

If Kobe deserved MVP in 2006 or 2007...then Westbrook deserved MVP last season.

[IllegalD]

If Kobe deserved MVP in 2006 or 2007...then Westbrook deserved MVP last season.

Kobe made the playoffs. Westbrick didn't. Difference.

[IllegalD]

Must be nice being able to win titles averaging 16 ppg on 37% in the Finals while having your teammate put up 35/15 every Finals

Must be nice being able to choke away a Finals against a 1-Superstar team handed to you on a silver platter while your "Robin" is balling out like a Finals MVP and all you had to do was be an adequate sidekick to push your team over the top.

[choppermagic]

MVP is a popularity contest that is voted by people who aren't in the NBA. Yes, criteria changes per year and according to media storylines. I've learned to accept it and not get too angry about it. A lot of great players have gotten shafted by this process, including Kobe.

[West-Side]

The best year of his career were wasted [01' - 07'].
He either:

1) Played with Shaquille O'Neal
2) Injured (2005)
3) Played on a shitty team, in 2006 & 2007.
4) In 2008, he finally won.
5) In 2009, he was already entering his 13th season in the NBA. He could have easily won the MVP award (and he should have). He helped LA win the championship while playing incredibly well in the playoffs and putting up 27/5/5 (47% shooting and 1.5 SPG). He helped his team win 65 games that year.
6) This is about the same time where LeBron James evolved into the best player in the league, at the peak of his career.

In 2009 - Kobe was 2nd in MVP votes (31 years old)
In 2010 - Kobe was 3rd in MVP votes (32 years old)
He was 4th in 2011 & 2012, at 33 & 34 years of age.

So essentially his prime years were wasted playing behind Shaq, on bad teams, having an injury season (in 2005). When he finally got to be the leader of a good team, he won his first MVP [2008]. IMO, he should have also won in 2009 but LeBron also had an incredible year. Kobe was over 30 by that team and played more games than a lot of players do in their careers.

[Dr Hawk]

He had 4 MVPs robbed from him by the media that hated him.
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Wade's Rings]

The best year of his career were wasted [01' - 07'].
He either:

1) Played with Shaquille O'Neal
2) Injured (2005)
3) Played on a shitty team, in 2006 & 2007.
4) In 2008, he finally won.
5) In 2009, he was already entering his 13th season in the NBA. He could have easily won the MVP award (and he should have). He helped LA win the championship while playing incredibly well in the playoffs and putting up 27/5/5 (47% shooting and 1.5 SPG). He helped his team win 65 games that year.
6) This is about the same time where LeBron James evolved into the best player in the league, at the peak of his career.

In 2009 - Kobe was 2nd in MVP votes (31 years old)
In 2010 - Kobe was 3rd in MVP votes (32 years old)
He was 4th in 2011 & 2012, at 33 & 34 years of age.

So essentially his prime years were wasted playing behind Shaq, on bad teams, having an injury season (in 2005). When he finally got to be the leader of a good team, he won his first MVP [2008]. IMO, he should have also won in 2009 but LeBron also had an incredible year. Kobe was over 30 by that team and played more games than a lot of players do in their careers.

Why did he deserve it over Bron?

[HOoopCityJones]

Again, what argument would he have over LeBron in '09 & '10 with worse stats AND team record with better teammates?

And what argument would he have over Duncan, KG, and even McGrady in '03?

If this is the case why did Nash win over Kobe in 06? He had better Teammates definitely, Kobe was more valuable to his Team, yet Nash gets the nod because his Team was better overall. You can't have it both ways.

James Harden spent half the year leading his Team as one of the Top seeds without Dwight , yet Curry is better because he has Iggy coming of the bench to lock down anyone's best player, including Lebron.

Or what about 2011? Lebron and KD had better stats than Rose in my opinion, but just because he had his Team at the Top of the East he gets the nod.

Fact of the matter is , MVP is a crap shoot, you'll sit here and claim one criteria "Team wins" "Most valuable to the Team" "Leading his Team to Finals" and the next year is something totally different. Lebron was getting MVPs from 09-10 based on him being the best player on crappy Teams and pushing them over the top and still coming up short in the playoffs, he was winning MVPs for this shit. Kobe was doin the same shit back in 06 in a wayyy tougher conference and he never won an MVP when he was winning rings on account of because he supposedly had good Teammates while Bron was leading supposed trash. That's not a double standard?

So Curry and Lebron are the favorites this year , both of their Teams stacked yet I don't see either of them getting passed over for someone like Anthony Davis who is the heart and soul of The Pelicans and will most certainly have them in the playoffs again this year.

[LikeMike]

The real question is: Did he even deserve that 1 MVP?

[NBAplayoffs2001]

In a nutshell, for the years he was MVP caliber:

2001-2003- Shaq was still considered the defacto leader and number one option, even though Kobe was putting up number one stats. Iverson lead a marginally talented, defensive-oriented Sixers squad to the top seed in 2001. Duncan was unquestioned leader of Spurs leading them to high seedings in a tough western conference while putting up 20/10/3 numbers

2004- Off-year after Colorado incident. Garnett was better and led Wolves to top seeding. Duncan was still considered better overall.

2005-2007- Team wasn't good enough record-wise, which brings the argument about what constitutes 'valuable' as Kobe was dragging mostly scrubs to the playoffs while playing at a historically great offensive level.

2009-2010- Lebron was considered better at this point, though realistically Kobe could have been MVP either or both of these years. Wade was on the same level, but on a worse team( similar to Kobe in 2006).

2013- Lebron universally recognized as best player, on a better team.

I think alot comes down to how MVP is defined. But realistically, Kobe could have been MVP in 2003, 2006, 2009 or 2010. He 'should' have at least 3, as much as 4 taking 2008 into account.

If 2005-2007 Kobe wasn't left with a bottom playoff team in the West, he could have won. Kobe had a legitimate chance at 2009-2010 but I agree at that point LeBron was more impressive in a weaker conference. 2013 and onwards, Kobe is out of the MVP conservation period.

2001 and 2003 Kobe were both at top 5 MVP level in my opinion but he just happened to play with Shaq and Duncan was insane in 2003. 2004, Garnett even if Kobe was healthy, probably would have still won MVP. He did a lot with a lot less help than what the 04 Lakers did that year.

Kobe is one of those guys that was top 3-5 players in the league from 2001 to 2011 or 2012. He just happened to have never put up 30+ ppg on a legitimate championship team but instead playoff contenders and nothing more. A young 2003 Kobe in my opinion could have won if they had the best record in the West that year but they didn't due to Shaq's injuries.

His defense was also never consistently at a high level in his later years. From 2000-2003, besides Bruce Bowen, I thought Kobe was the best defensive wing in the league especially in that 4 year period.

[West-Side]

Why did he deserve it over Bron?

He won 65 games that season and LeBron won 66 games in a MUCH weaker conference. Besides Boston and Orlando, no other team had over 50 wins that year. Despite winning more games, he was eliminated by the same team Kobe beat in 5 games (Orlando).

The west had 6 teams with 50+ wins; Pelicans had 49, Jazz had 48 and Suns had 46.

In the east, the Hawks and Heat were the 4th and 5th best teams; respectively winning 47 and 43 games each.

Only 5 times in the east had a winning record.

Kobe put up 27/5/5/1.5 on 47% that year; .561 TS% & 24.4 PER.
Great numbers for a shooting guard.

I just saw Kobe as the best player on the best team and he played brilliantly all season. I feel like Kobe had a much better case for winning the MVP in 2009 than Iverson in 2001. Or Nash in 2006 & 2007.

[game3524]

Kobe only has one MVP because two of his peak years(2006 and 2007) were completely wasted on garbage teams.

If he had the team he had in 2008 in 2006 and 2007, he likely wins 3 straight MVPs.

[JT123]

Simply put he's never been the league's most valuable player. He's been the most flashy player at times, but he's never had the leadership ability other all time greats have had.

[pauk]

Because he robbed CP3 in 2008.











































Oh wait, you mean it like... he should had more or something?









j/k :)

[Goofsta Knicca]

Why they let the Terminator win the election?

Why?

"Why did John Lennon le da Beatles? :("

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udxZ9zkDzpo

[Prime_Shaq]

How does Shaq only have 1 MVP, that's even more of a travesty.

[sportjames23]

Why is LeBron 2/6 in the finals I thought he was an all time great?

Bodied. :cheers:

[GoSpursGo1984]

Because he robbed CP3 in 2008.










































Oh wait, you mean it like... he should had more or something?









j/k :)
Kobe averaged 28 6 and 5 and his team had a better record but yeah people wanted to believe that Paul was doing so much more with less.

[theaussieguy]

worst measure of a players all time ranking is MVP, we all know it yet we use it in comparisons anyway cos we retarded.

[Asukal]

worst measure of a players all time ranking is MVP, we all know it yet we use it in comparisons anyway cos we retarded.

QFT :applause:

[Anaximandro1]

three or four players were better than Kobe as evidenced by

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-e_c5WCRMcNw/VkVPvb9tfmI/AAAAAAAAE5M/MEWddAHYsNY/s1600/1.jpg

It's hard to win more than 1MVP / 2FMVP

[Smoke117]

I feel this question should be why did Kobe win 1 mvp when he deserved none? Because everyone felt bad for him.

[riseagainst]

how come OP doesn't make a thread called: "Why did Shaq only win 1 mvp? I thought he was an all time great? Discuss"?

[STATUTORY]

it's just a popularity award

means as much as high school superlatives in a yearbook

Kobe collects rings