Pau's combined PO stats during twopeat

[Dr Hawk]

Per game: 18.9/11/3/2 blocks .556FG%

ORtg: 125
DRtg: 104

.610 TS%

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[GIF REACTION]

He had a good supporting cast in LA

[riseagainst]

He had a good supporting cast in LA


:lol
:roll:
:applause:

Pau, after getting swept several times in the 1st round, was finally given the necessary help to advance further into the playoffs. Then he led the Lakers to 3 consecutive finals appearances and led them to back to back titles.

[aj1987]

He had a good supporting cast in LA
http://i.imgur.com/KfRVJas.gif

[Gileraracer]

Agenda is obvious here

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

0-16 pre Kobe
Efficiency went up after all the defensive attention Mamba drew:applause: :applause:
too bad his defense was still mediocre but with Kobe, Ariza, Odom, Artest later their D held strong:applause: :applause:

[tmacattack33]

0-16 pre Kobe
Efficiency went up after all the defensive attention Mamba drew:applause: :applause:
too bad his defense was still mediocre but with Kobe, Ariza, Odom, Artest later their D held strong:applause: :applause:

Why only discuss PRE-Kobe?

Oh yeah, because he had a terrible team that he couldn't possibly win with and it fits your agenda.

So anyway, the correct way to go is to also include his playoffs POST-kobe. And last year in Chicago he was doing great. I bet he does well this year too.

[90sgoat]

Pau is a great player, but takes too many possesions off on defense if not properly motivated.

At least Kobe wasn't some raciss mofo like the Chicago Bulls who won't pass him the ball.

[dubeta]

Yet these same Kobe stans wanna act like Wade and Bosh were some sort of stacked help for LeBron :lol


Bosh 12/6 on 45%

Wade 15/5 on 44%

:lol

[JT123]

Yet these same Kobe stans wanna act like Wade and Bosh were some sort of stacked help for LeBron :lol


Bosh 12/6 on 45%

Wade 15/5 on 44%

:lol
Can't believe Bron had to waste his prime with "superstars" who put up Lamar Odom numbers. :facepalm
How he still managed to get 2 rings is just a testament to his greatness, and the reason he will go down as the GOAT. :bowdown:

[riseagainst]

Yet these same Kobe stans wanna act like Wade and Bosh were some sort of stacked help for LeBron :lol


Bosh 12/6 on 45%

Wade 15/5 on 44%

:lol


false

Bosh from 2011-2014: 15-7 48%
Wade form 2011-2014: 20-5-4 48%

[Levity]

Yet these same Kobe stans wanna act like Wade and Bosh were some sort of stacked help for LeBron :lol


Bosh 12/6 on 45%

Wade 15/5 on 44%

:lol

:eek: :eek:

so kobe helps his teammates play better consistently? thats a nice observation, my man!

[dubeta]

false

Bosh from 2011-2014: 15-7 48%
Wade form 2011-2014: 20-5-4 48%


What if you limit it to 2012-2014

Once they started winning rings


Same criteria was used for Gasol :confusedshrug:

[Papaya Petee]

What if you limit it to 2012-2014

Once they started winning rings


Same criteria was used for Gasol :confusedshrug:
They didn't win a ring in 2014.

2011-2013
Wade 23/6/5/2/1 :cheers:

[riseagainst]

They didn't win a ring in 2014.

2011-2013
Wade 23/6/5/2/1 :cheers:

:bowdown:

[dubeta]

They didn't win a ring in 2014.

2011-2013
Wade 23/6/5/2/1 :cheers:


They didn't win in 2011 either


So what's their 2012-2013?

[dubeta]

:bowdown:


Riseagainst dodging questions :lol

Post their 2012-2013 championship playoff stats

[dunksby]

0-16 pre Kobe

MJ Was 1-9 before Pippen too.

[20Four]

Can't believe Bron had to waste his prime with "superstars" who put up Lamar Odom numbers. :facepalm
How he still managed to get 2 rings is just a testament to his greatness, and the reason he will go down as the GOAT. :bowdown:
0-16 before kobe LOL

[Shih508]

Pau led grizzlies to playoff 3 times and Kobe only did it twice without Shaq

Pau came in league later than Kobe while Kobe has a team that's way richer than Grizzlies organization.

Pau > Kobe easily

[warriorfan]

Pau Gasol joins Kobe's team and sees an increase of production

Wade, Bosh, and Love join LeBron's team and see a decrease of production

3ball was onto something

[Papaya Petee]

Riseagainst dodging questions :lol

Post their 2012-2013 championship playoff stats


Wade 2012 finals - 23/6/5/2/1
Wade 2013 finals- 20/5/4/2/1
:rolleyes:
LeBron as 2nd option in 2011- 18/7/7/1/1

[dubeta]

Wade 2012 finals - 23/6/5/2/1
Wade 2013 finals- 20/5/4/2/1
:rolleyes:
LeBron as 2nd option in 2011- 18/7/7/1/1


Why only finals stats??
Keep dodging the question :oldlol:



Typical Heat Stan

[dubeta]

Pau Gasol joins Kobe's team and sees an increase of production

Wade, Bosh, and Love join LeBron's team and see a decrease of production

3ball was onto something


The worse a player you are, the more carrying everyone around you has to do? :wtf:

[kentatm]

He had a good supporting cast in LA


future rep baw

[3ball]

Yet these same Kobe stans wanna act like Wade and Bosh were some sort of stacked help for LeBron :lol


Bosh 12/6 on 45%

Wade 15/5 on 44%

:lol



Your stats above are erroneous - here's the actual stats:


GASOL. 2009-2010 PLAYOFFS (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gasolpa01.html#2009-2010-sum:playoffs_per_game): 19/11/3 on 55.8%

>>>

D WADE 2011-2014 PLAYOFFS (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wadedw01.html#2011-2014-sum:playoffs_per_game): 20/5/4 on 47.5%
C BOSH 2011-2014 PLAYOFFS (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/boshch01.html#2011-2014-sum:playoffs_per_game): 15/7/1 on 48.1%
PIPPEN. 1996-1998 PLAYOFFS (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1996-1998-sum:playoffs_per_game): 17/7/5 on 40.8%

[ShaqTwizzle]

http://swishnba.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/photo.jpg

[dubeta]

Your stats above are erroneous - here's the actual stats:


GASOL. 2009-2010 PLAYOFFS (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gasolpa01.html#2009-2010-sum:playoffs_per_game): 19/11/3 on 55.8%

>>>

D WADE 2011-2014 PLAYOFFS (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wadedw01.html#2011-2014-sum:playoffs_per_game): 20/5/4 on 47.5%
C BOSH 2011-2014 PLAYOFFS (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/boshch01.html#2011-2014-sum:playoffs_per_game): 15/7/1 on 48.1%
PIPPEN. 1996-1998 PLAYOFFS (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1996-1998-sum:playoffs_per_game): 17/7/5 on 40.8%


Shouldn't you be only including the championship years for Wade/bosh?? :oldlol:

[GrapeApe]

Why only finals stats??
Keep dodging the question :oldlol:



Typical Heat Stan

You love to cite Wade's 2013 playoff numbers (incorrectly btw) even though the first 2 rounds were irrelevant. The Milwaukee series was a joke (4 straight double digit wins) and in the 2nd round the Heat outscored the Bulls by an average of 13 ppg despite Lebron only shooting 44%.

Aside from those series' Wade averaged a combined 22/5/5/1.9/1.3 in the 2012 and 2013 playoffs. Outstanding 2nd option production.

In those years, in the 5 series' that the Heat had a legit shot to lose (2012 ECSF, ECF, finals, and 2013 ECF, finals) Wade averaged a combined 23/6/5/2/1 on 47%. Again, outstanding 2nd option production.

[SouBeachTalents]

They didn't win in 2011 either


So what's their 2012-2013?

Well they would have won in 2011 had LeBron managed to outscore Jason Terry. Always remember that, Wade has as many Finals MVP's as LeBron if he outscores a bench player

[dubeta]

You love to cite Wade's 2013 playoff numbers (incorrectly btw) even though the first 2 rounds were irrelevant. The Milwaukee series was a joke (4 straight double digit wins) and in the 2nd round the Heat outscored the Bulls by an average of 13 ppg despite Lebron only shooting 44%.

Aside from those series' Wade averaged a combined 22/5/5/1.9/1.3 in the 2012 and 2013 playoffs. Outstanding 2nd option production.

In those years, in the 5 series' that the Heat had a legit shot to lose (2012 ECSF, ECF, finals, and 2013 ECF, finals) Wade averaged a combined 23/6/5/2/1 on 47%. Again, outstanding 2nd option production.


LOL do you realize that any 2nd option in NBA History can look nice if you artificially limit the sample size to cherrypicked years, series, games etc. Anybody can look good doing that.


Fact of the matter is in the Heats championship runs in 2012-2013, Wade was little more than a role player.

[GrapeApe]

LOL do you realize that any 2nd option in NBA History can look nice if you artificially limit the sample size to cherrypicked years, series, games etc. Anybody can look good doing that.


Fact of the matter is in the Heats championship runs in 2012-2013, Wade was little more than a role player.

You're an idiot. Over the course 6 out of 8 series' he averaged 22/5/5/2/1. How is that little more than a role player? In 2012 he averaged 23/5/4/2/1 for the entire playoffs.

As for the "cherry picking", I'd love for you to find other 2nd options to average those numbers in 6 out of 8 playoff series' in back to back years. You won't, but if you do I guarantee the player or players you find aren't role players.

[dubeta]

You're an idiot. Over the course 6 out of 8 series' he averaged 22/5/5/2/1. How is that little more than a role player? In 2012 he averaged 23/5/4/2/1 for the entire playoffs.

As for the "cherry picking", I'd love for you to find other 2nd options to average those numbers in 6 out of 8 playoff series' in back to back years. You won't, but if you do I guarantee the player or players you find aren't role players.

See, WHY 6 out of 8??? Why not all 8 series??

[ShaqTwizzle]

2012-2013
(7 playoff series total)
----
Tony Parker : 20.4 / 4 / 7.0-apg

[GrapeApe]

See, WHY 6 out of 8??? Why not all 8 series??

Because his play had zero bearing on the outcome? They played 9 games outscoring their opponents by an average of 14 ppg. Fine, with a healthy Wade they outscore those opponents by 20 ppg. Whatever.

You still didn't answer my question. What other 2nd options had 6 straight playoff series' averaging 22/5/5/2/1? After all, Wade was little more than a role player so surely their should be an abundance, right?

BTW, even at 20/5/4/2/1 including the first 2 rounds of 2013, Wade was STILL an excellent 2nd option. Regardless, you fail.

[GrapeApe]

2012-2013
(7 playoff series total)
----
Tony Parker : 20.4 / 4 / 7.0-apg

I meant "you won't" as in he won't do it. Also, the Spurs didn't win the title in those years and Parker clearly wasn't a role player, as that idiot claims Wade to have been.

The fact of the matter is for the majority of 2 straight championship runs Wade was a great 2nd option.

[ShaqTwizzle]

The fact of the matter is for the majority of 2 straight championship runs Wade was a great 2nd option.

Well in 2012 he certainly was (in my opinion anyway).
His 2013 run wasn't that great for a 2nd option though even then I wouldn't call him a roleplayer.

[kennethgriffin]

i dunno about otdsr%ratingts%share


all i know is gasol 0-16 as leader

2 rings with FMVP kobe bryant

/thread






http://topbet.eu/news/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Kobe-Bryant-NBA-Champion.jpg


is gasol even in this team photo?


its like a wheres waldo book

[dubeta]

Kobes the only player who can shoot 6/24, and have the audacity on the same night to raise the trophy like he was the best player or some shit :oldlol:

[kennethgriffin]

Kobes the only player who can shoot 6/24, and have the audacity on the same night to raise the trophy like he was the best player or some shit :oldlol:


well thats because finals mvp is built on 7 games worth of averages

and even so.. everyone struggled in game 7

plus... in a tough grind it out defensive rebounding battle. kobe was the most talented defender/rebounder in game 7

pulling 10 boards over his career average ( 15 total )

holding ray allen/paul pierce to 8 for 29 shooting



kobe was basically bill russell in game 7


deal with the L playa

hold it like you would a new born baby

[ShaqTwizzle]

all i know is gasol 0-16 as leader


#1. You mean 0-12.
Past Prime Gasol was not the leader of the 2013 Laker's.
Kobe was and then Dwight was.
And you couldn't expect much better from a team that faced the Finalist Spurs and lost the guy their entire offense was forced to revolve around 2-3 games before the start of the playoffs.

Regarding the earlier playoff series Pau was on shitty teams and faced the Peak Duncan led the Spurs, the ultra stacked 05 Suns and the 06 Finalist Mavericks.

Kobe in the same situation wouldn't have done much better then 0-12.
Maybe he gets 1-3 wins at best...

When in a similar situation from 05-07 Kobe missed the playoffs, blew a 3-1 lead against a Phoenix team 100x weaker then the one Gasol lost to in 05 and then got beaten in 5 games against the same PHX team.

So yeah that argument is illogical on every front.

Let a young Prime Gasol play sidekick to Peak Shaq and I am sure he'd have won quite a few playoff series.
Even Grandpa Gasol won a playoff series last year and would have likely led his team to the Finals (as the best player) had he not gotten injured.

:kobe:

[ShaqTwizzle]

well thats because finals mvp is built on 7 games worth of averages

Let us compare their stats in the 4 Laker wins.

Kobe : 26 / 10 on 37%FG
3.7-APG / 2.75 TOV

Gasol : 19 / 14 on 46%FG
5.0-APG / 1.75 TOV
---
2.5-BPG




kobe was basically bill russell in game 7


Gasol was far and away the best player in that G7.
Had a 20/20 game nearly 10 offensive boards, shut down KG and was the MVP of the 4th quarter where he had 9pts and made a bunch of huge defensive plays
down the stretch including a monster block on Pierce right at the rim which could have given Boston the lead with like 2 min left and straight ended LAL's chances.

[dubeta]

Let us compare their stats in the 4 Laker wins.

Kobe : 26 / 10 on 37%FG
3.7-APG / 2.75 TOV

Gasol : 19 / 14 on 46%FG
5.0-APG / 1.75 TOV
---
2.5-BPG




Holy shit, never actually seen this :lol


Damn, Gasol was clearly better than Kobe

[GrapeApe]

Well in 2012 he certainly was (in my opinion anyway).
His 2013 run wasn't that great for a 2nd option though even then I wouldn't call him a roleplayer.

Agreed, but his overall numbers are a bit misleading and that was my entire point. He got better as the playoffs progressed and was very good in the finals. Lebron stans love the fact that he was injured and put up poor numbers in the first 2 rounds. The Heat had literally zero chance of losing (even with Wade injured they outscored the Bucks and Bulls by an average of 14 ppg). For Lebron stans, Wade hurting his overall playoff averages in those series' was a dream come true.

[SouBeachTalents]

Agreed, but his overall numbers are a bit misleading and that was my entire point. He got better as the playoffs progressed and was very good in the finals. Lebron stans love the fact that he was injured and put up poor numbers in the first 2 rounds. The Heat had literally zero chance of losing (even with Wade injured they outscored the Bucks and Bulls by an average of 14 ppg). For Lebron stans, Wade hurting his overall playoff averages in those series' was a dream come true.

Brah, Wade honestly was trash for most of the 2013 playoffs. He averaged 14 ppg on 44% through the first 3 rounds and Games 1-3 of the Finals. He definitely played well the remainder of the Finals, but your just making excuses for a poor performance.

[TrueBlue89]

Well they would have won in 2011 had LeBron managed to outscore Jason Terry. Always remember that, Wade has as many Finals MVP's as LeBron if he outscores a bench player
It was Wade's team not Lebron's. Wade couldn't win despite his 2nd and 3rd option producing elite numbers.

[SouBeachTalents]

It was Wade's team not Lebron's. Wade couldn't win despite his 2nd and 3rd option producing elite numbers.

Well if you consider 8 point games, averaging 3 ppg in the 4th quarter, and getting ourscored by a bench player elite, then that statement would be true

[dubeta]

Well if you consider 8 point games, averaging 3 ppg in the 4th quarter, and getting ourscored by a bench player elite, then that statement would be true

LeBron 100% for certain wouldnt have gotten an excuse if he had a 19/9 and a 18/7/7 2nd and 3rd option




Why does Wade get a pass all of a sudden?

[TrueBlue89]

Well if you consider 8 point games, averaging 3 ppg in the 4th quarter, and getting ourscored by a bench player elite, then that statement would be true


No excuses. Wade couldn't get it done, simple as that.

They went on to win 2 rings once Wade handed over the keys and became the sideman he always was.

[SouBeachTalents]

LeBron 100% for certain wouldnt have gotten an excuse if he had a 19/9 and a 18/7/7 2nd and 3rd option




Why does Wade get a pass all of a sudden?

Wade doesn't get a complete pass, he went scoreless during their Game 2 collapse, missed a big FT and botched the inbound pass at the end of Game 4, and played poorly in Game 6. LeBron though undoubtedly gets the majority of the blame for that defeat

[warriorfan]

AMC won with Klay Thompson and Harrison Barnes being his number 2 and 3 options.

[SouBeachTalents]

AMC won with Klay Thompson and Harrison Barnes being his number 2 and 3 options.

But with Iggy getting dat Finals MVP

[dubeta]

Wade doesn't get a complete pass, he went scoreless during their Game 2 collapse, missed a big FT and botched the inbound pass at the end of Game 4, and played poorly in Game 6.

Agreed, fair points here

[dubeta]

AMC won with Klay Thompson and Harrison Barnes being his number 2 and 3 options.


Cause he was the 4th option

[TrueBlue89]

Every superstar on this planet would kill to have their 2nd/3rd options to put up 19/9 & 18/7/7 in the Finals. LeBron put up some historic numbers in the Finals last season yet still got destroyed everywhere.

While Wade couldn't close the deal against a poor average team and passed the blame unto someone else.

[SouBeachTalents]

Every superstar on this planet would kill to have their 2nd/3rd options to put up 19/9 & 18/7/7 in the Finals. LeBron put up some historic numbers in the Finals last season yet still got destroyed everywhere.

While Wade couldn't close the deal against a poor average team and passed the blame unto someone else.

I don't think any sane human being would "kill" to have their teammates ppg average drop an NBA record 9 points and do this in the 4th quarter

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/z%20Funny%20NBA%20Photos/Funny%20NBA%20Record/Lebron%20James/aka%20big%20choker/lebron-james-2011-nba-final-4q.jpg

[warriorfan]

Cause he was the 4th option

:facepalm

[GrapeApe]

Brah, Wade honestly was trash for most of the 2013 playoffs. He averaged 14 ppg on 44% through the first 3 rounds and Games 1-3 of the Finals. He definitely played well the remainder of the Finals, but your just making excuses for a poor performance.

Nah, just pointing out that the first 2 rounds weren't competitive. The Indiana series was a different story though and I think the Heat win in 5-6 if Wade is healthy. In retrospect Wade probably should have sat out against the Bucks and Bulls, though from my understanding a bone bruise recovery is more of a time thing than a rest thing. I don't think it's a coincidence he played his best ball late in the playoffs. Regardless, he indeed struggled overall, no argument there.

He did step up at crucial times though, and if Lebron would have done the same in 2011.....................

[GrapeApe]

No excuses. Wade couldn't get it done, simple as that.

They went on to win 2 rings once Wade handed over the keys and became the sideman he always was.

This is such nonsense, and I don't understand where the notion that players actually think this way came from. It's absurd. A player's job is to play to the best of their ability. Period. Regardless of their "role", basketball is basketball. Even if you feel that Lebron was the 2nd option in the finals, it's not as if he somehow lost his skills and abilities as a basketball player. He simply played well below his capabilities. When Wade became a 2nd option he actually posted a higher PER in 2012 than 2011, point being he was still a great basketball player even though his "role" changed.

Another thing Lebron stans like to do is use the straw-man of his overall numbers. His numbers in the finals have never been the issue, it was the disappearing act at crucial moments. In fact, the Heat were good enough to win that series despite Lebron performing below his standards.

[JohnFreeman]

Wow Gasol the beast.

[TaLvsCuaL]

I trully think Pau deserves to be a first ballot Hall of famer. NBA + Internationals achievements, and He is top 10 FIBA players of all time in my opinion.

[kennethgriffin]

I trully think Pau deserves to be a first ballot Hall of famer. NBA + Internationals achievements, and He is top 10 FIBA players of all time in my opinion.


that isnt saying much


everyone and their dog/grandmother makes the nba hall of fame

[dubeta]

that isnt saying much


everyone and their dog/grandmother makes the nba hall of fame


Not true, especially not first ballot HOF



In fact, I think it'll take Kobe 7-8 years after he retires to make the HOF, definitely wont be first ballot

[kennethgriffin]

Not true, especially not first ballot HOF



In fact, I think it'll take Kobe 7-8 years after he retires to make the HOF, definitely wont be first ballot


well maybe not 1st ballot

but everyone makes the nba HOF sooner or later

[dubeta]

well maybe not 1st ballot

but everyone makes the nba HOF sooner or later

You think Kobe will make it??

[sportjames23]

They didn't win in 2011 either


So what's their 2012-2013?


And who's fault was that?