Comparing MJ and Lebron's 1st round opponents from early career

[3ball]

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Bucks. 1985: 59-23... #2 defense.. Division Champs
Celtics 1986: 67-15... #1 defense.. World Champs
Celtics 1987: 59-23... #9 defense.. Eastern Conference Champs
__________________________________________________ ____________
Combined Record: 185-61... 0.752.. some of the best teams ever


Wizards 2006: 42-40... #22 defense
Wizards 2007: 41-41... #28 defense
Wizards 2008: 43-39... #24 defense
__________________________________________________ ____________
Combined Record: 126-120... 0.512... some of the worst playoff teams ever

[kennethgriffin]

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to be fair. neither guy should have been in the playoffs


with the easts competition for lebron and the team qualifications for jordan


both should have been fishing early

[dubeta]

WHY COULDNT MJ GET A HIGHER SEED FOR THE PLAYOFFS.




WHY COULD HE ONLY WIN 30 GAMES IN THE REGULAR SEASON























:lol


3ball ethered

[dubeta]

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Bucks. 1985: 59-23... #2 defense.. Division Champs
Celtics 1986: 67-15... #1 defense.. World Champs
Celtics 1987: 59-23... #9 defense.. Eastern Conference Champs




The Golden Ratio, found in 3ball's own post :lol

Tells us all we need to know about MJ

[kennethgriffin]

this is probably the most pathetic argument on ISH to date


2 guys arguing over which guy played better in the playoffs neither guy deserved

[Lebron23]

Lebron 3-0 in the first round while Jordan is 0-3.

[dubeta]

this is probably the most pathetic argument on ISH to date


2 guys arguing over which guy played better in the playoffs neither guy deserved

Better than Kobe fans circle-jerking over rings he didnt deserve

[Gileraracer]

It's obvious, our GAWD has a cakewalk since day 1 :(

[Quickening]

WHY COULDNT MJ GET A HIGHER SEED FOR THE PLAYOFFS.




WHY COULD HE ONLY WIN 30 GAMES IN THE REGULAR SEASON

























:lol


3ball ethered

:eek: :eek:

Use lube on 3balls next time bro :(

[knicksman]

the east in the 80s was the west right now. Had bran played in the west. His 60 win teams might even be first rounder considering his shitty record against 50+ win teams. I mean bran only had 1 win against 50 win teams until he collude with other 2 superstars

[sportjames23]

Lebron 3-0 in the first round while Jordan is 0-3.


Lebron missed the playoffs for the first two years of his career, while MJ dragged a bad Bulls team to the playoffs the first two seasons of his.

MJ 2-0 >>>>> Lebron 0-2

[Quickening]

Lebron missed the playoffs for the first two years of his career, while MJ dragged a bad Bulls team to the playoffs the first two seasons of his.

MJ 2-0 >>>>> Lebron 0-2

They both entered the league at the same age right? :lol :roll:

[kennethgriffin]

Better than Kobe fans circle-jerking over rings he didnt deserve


i agree. this argument does have more validity than a topic saying kobe didnt deserve his rings


you win the internet



man you're dumb as ****. you can't even express yourself correctly.

you remind me of sid vicious



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=340FMdHj24c

^^^^





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[3ball]

kobe deserved all his rings.. fmvp is another story.. probably deserved it in 09

[3ball]

knicksman knows his shit

[3ball]

They both entered the league at the same age right? :lol :roll:


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Let's compare their performance as 21-year olds against championship teams and #1 defenses:


Jordan vs. 1986 Celtics: 44/6/6 on 51%
Lebron vs. 2007 Spurs:. 22/7/6 on 35%


:roll:

[SouBeachTalents]

kobe deserved all his rings.. fmvp is another story.. probably deserved it in 09

Lol, Rodman had a better argument for Finals MVP in '96 than Gasol did in '09

[3ball]

Lol, Rodman had a better argument for Finals MVP in '96 than Gasol did in '09
MJ's 27 ppg on 42% was less replaceable than Rodman's 8/15, especially considering Pippen was having another one of his WOAT 2nd option performances (15 ppg on 34%.. :rolleyes: ), and also considering MJ had already 3-peated with Grant at PF.

[Dr Hawk]

It is insulting for MJ to keep comparing him to Lebron. MJ is galaxies away from that ceiling limiting player

[sdot_thadon]

Lebron missed the playoffs for the first two years of his career, while MJ dragged a bad Bulls team to the playoffs the first two seasons of his.

MJ 2-0 >>>>> Lebron 0-2

MJ

1985, 38-44 7th seed (8th seed was 36-46)
1986, 30-52 8th seed (39-43 was good enough for 6th seed:biggums: )

LBJ

2004, 35-47 misses playoffs by one game
2005, 42-40 misses playoffs by one game, over .500, in a tie for 8th.

Tell me more about this murderous 80's east where you can make the postseason with 30 wins.....:coleman:

[TrueBlue89]

MJ couldn't make his teammates better and needed Pippen to do that for him hence the appalling record before the 2nd best SF of all time after LBJ came to save the day.

[3ball]

Tell me more about this murderous 80's east where you can make the postseason with 30 wins..


Statistical anomaly - the other teams were all tough and you had to go through the Celtics or Bad Boys, among others, to make the Finals..

Compare that to the good teams you must go thru today in the East to make Finals:

[dubeta]

Look at 3ball try and defend his points like a wimpy little kid here :oldlol:

No aggression? No repeating the same points, no :facepalm posts??


He knows he got ethered here

[sdot_thadon]

Statistical anomaly - the other teams were all tough and you had to go through the Celtics or Bad Boys, among others, to make the Finals..

Compare that to the good teams you must go thru today in the East to make Finals:
Anomally my ass, not only did Mj make it with only 30 wins, but

He made the playoffs with the worst record ever post merger
:biggums:
Not a good look 3ball

[3ball]

Look at 3ball try and defend his points like a wimpy little kid here :oldlol:

No aggression? No repeating the same points, no :facepalm posts??


He knows he got ethered here
Look at the posts above - everyone got slayed by 3ball

[sdot_thadon]

Look at the posts above - everyone got slayed by 3ball
Nah, post above.

[3ball]

Anomally my ass, not only did Mj make it with only 30 wins, but

He made the playoffs with the worst record ever post merger
:biggums:
Not a good look 3ball
Statistical anomaly - the other teams were all tough and you had to go through the Celtics or Bad Boys, among others, to make the Finals..

Compare that to the good teams you must go thru today in the East to make Finals:

[sdot_thadon]

Statistical anomaly - the other teams were all tough and you had to go through the Celtics or Bad Boys, among others, to make the Finals..

Compare that to the good teams you must go thru today in the East to make Finals:
:roll:
Statistical anomally, it's always something for Mj huh. I've never seen those words from you before.
30 wins
Worst record to ever make the postseason.
R.i.p. argument

[feyki]

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Let's compare their performance as 21-year olds against championship teams and #1 defenses:


Jordan vs. 1986 Celtics: 44/6/6 on 51%
Lebron vs. 2007 Spurs:. 22/7/6 on 35%


:roll:

BANG .

[sdot_thadon]

http://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/gallery/files/4/0/1/7/dead_thread.jpg

[3ball]

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Bucks. 1985: 59-23... #2 defense.. Division Champs
Celtics 1986: 67-15... #1 defense.. World Champs
Celtics 1987: 59-23... #9 defense.. Eastern Conference Champs
__________________________________________________ ____________
Combined Record: 185-61... 0.752.. some of the best teams ever


Wizards 2006: 42-40... #22 defense
Wizards 2007: 41-41... #28 defense
Wizards 2008: 43-39... #24 defense
__________________________________________________ ____________
Combined Record: 126-120... 0.512... some of the worst playoff teams ever



I forgot to mention that MJ averaged 36.0 ppg on 45.3% against his all-time great opponents, compared to 32.1 ppg on 48.1% for Lebron against his borderline lottery opponents.

[ballinhun8]

Anomally my ass, not only did Mj make it with only 30 wins, but

He made the playoffs with the worst record ever post merger
:biggums:
Not a good look 3ball


You do know MJ missed 64 games in that season where the Bulls made the playoffs with 30 wins. You do know that right? Nice to know you ignore that pretty cruical fact.

Previous season in his rookie year he helped improved the teams record by 11 games, no surprise to think he would have helped improve from those 38 wins in year 2 by even more games considering what he did in the playoffs when he came back to arguably the GOAT team.

#Ethered

[Mike Armstrong]

The problem is later in their careers the East had no competition for LeBron.

[aj1987]

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Bucks. 1985: 59-23... #2 defense.. Division Champs
Celtics 1986: 67-15... #1 defense.. World Champs
Celtics 1987: 59-23... #9 defense.. Eastern Conference Champs
__________________________________________________ ____________
Combined Record: 185-61... 0.752.. some of the best teams ever


Wizards 2006: 42-40... #22 defense
Wizards 2007: 41-41... #28 defense
Wizards 2008: 43-39... #24 defense
__________________________________________________ ____________
Combined Record: 126-120... 0.512... some of the worst playoff teams ever
LOL! You're penalizing LeBron for having a better record?

Look at it the other way. Those Celtic and Bucks teams were playing against a garbage ass sub 40 win team in the first round.

30 win team making the Playoffs? Is there a puke emoticon on ISH?

[Sarcastic]

WHY COULDNT MJ GET A HIGHER SEED FOR THE PLAYOFFS.




WHY COULD HE ONLY WIN 30 GAMES IN THE REGULAR SEASON



:biggums:

He only played 18 games that year.

[sdot_thadon]

You do know MJ missed 64 games in that season where the Bulls made the playoffs with 30 wins. You do know that right? Nice to know you ignore that pretty cruical fact.

Previous season in his rookie year he helped improved the teams record by 11 games, no surprise to think he would have helped improve from those 38 wins in year 2 by even more games considering what he did in the playoffs when he came back to arguably the GOAT team.

#Ethered
Not really, I'm perfectly aware of that. Regardless of that the point was the east allowed a 30 win team in. The 6th seed was a sub 40 win club at 39-43. Op didn't bring it up either and others in the thread still credit Mj with making the playoffs despite this fact. Friendly fire.

[ballinhun8]

Not really, I'm perfectly aware of that. Regardless of that the point was the east allowed a 30 win team in. The 6th seed was a sub 40 win club at 39-43. Op didn't bring it up either and others in the thread still credit Mj with making the playoffs despite this fact. Friendly fire.


You have been saying the whole time MJ made it MJ made it with 30 wins but he didn't even play 30 games that year.

And no its not regardless, you put MJ healthy that year and then the 7 seed at worst is 39-43. Not great but not as bad as it originally was.


And only one guy in this thread credited MJ making the playoffs in 86. Besides that most knowledgeable and unbias people know MJ barely had an effect in that 85 regular season (well except being voted as an All-Star starter) and we remember it more for him going basically going toe-to-toe with one of the GOAT teams.

[Bankaii]

Not really, I'm perfectly aware of that. Regardless of that the point was the east allowed a 30 win team in. The 6th seed was a sub 40 win club at 39-43. Op didn't bring it up either and others in the thread still credit Mj with making the playoffs despite this fact. Friendly fire.
Lol using logic in a thread by 3ball:no:

Don't add any context. Let's ignore the fact that Lebron led his teams to 12, 20, and more wins for each respective regular season. Ignore that Lebron had a higher seed which led to him playing worse teams while Jordan was a stat padded that barely scraped by into the playoffs with 40 wins and had to face the 1 seed.

When you add context he's just going to dismiss it and copy and paste his same subjective cherry picked bullshit.

[sdot_thadon]

You have been saying the whole time MJ made it MJ made it with 30 wins but he didn't even play 30 games that year.

And no its not regardless, you put MJ healthy that year and then the 7 seed at worst is 39-43. Not great but not as bad as it originally was.


And only one guy in this thread credited MJ making the playoffs in 86. Besides that most knowledgeable and unbias people know MJ barely had an effect in that 85 regular season (well except being voted as an All-Star starter) and we remember it more for him going basically going toe-to-toe with one of the GOAT teams.
So what you're telling me is in a debate about strength of competition a team making the postseason with 30 wins doesn't figure in? I understand he didn't play, that much is clear. He shouldn't have even made the playoffs with that record, and the underlying unspoken difference between his and Lebron's playoff runs being compared is Lebron's teams got higher seeds avoiding the best teams in the 1st round. That's the goal of the reg season for middle of the road teams and above.