If the Cavs can get and stay healthy they're going to nearly sweep the playoffs

[Orlando Magic]

Bookmark this shit.

[imdaman99]

No. They will sweep through the East as usual and than a West team emerges and puts them in their place.

[sd3035]

No. They will sweep through the East as usual and than a West team emerges and puts them in their place.

This

[ArbitraryWater]

No. They will sweep through the East as usual and than a West team emerges and puts them in their place.

I think we can put this to bed with what happened last year, when a Cavs team missing 2/3 best players forced GSW to a 6 game series... I think we could also put it to bed when the Heat re-peated, and now this Cavaliers team is even better than that Heat team.... I don't understand how someone that works rationally elsewhere would spew this nonsense, explain Rafa fan :cheers:

[STATUTORY]

Lebron ball will work until it fails against either Spurs or GSW

[imdaman99]

I think we can put this to bed with what happened last year, when a Cavs team missing 2/3 best players forced GSW to a 6 game series... I think we could also put it to bed when the Heat re-peated, and now this Cavaliers team is even better than that Heat team.... I don't understand how someone that works rationally elsewhere would spew this nonsense, explain Rafa fan :cheers:
Losing Kyrie and Love made them slow the games down more. You honestly think Kyrie or Love do a better job defending the Warriors than their replacements? It allowed Delly and TT to get more minutes. Guess what? Those 2 were HUGE to get the Cavs up 2-1. They play a lot more D than Kyrie and Love, which was what was needed to 'muck' the game up and make the Warriors work for their points.

BTW, Rafa fckin lost today... to Fed. This is how I know he is done, losing to his personal punching bag :(

[ArbitraryWater]

Losing Kyrie and Love made them slow the games down more. You honestly think Kyrie or Love do a better job defending the Warriors than their replacements? It allowed Delly and TT to get more minutes. Guess what? Those 2 were HUGE to get the Cavs up 2-1. They play a lot more D than Kyrie and Love, which was what was needed to 'muck' the game up and make the Warriors work for their points.

BTW, Rafa fckin lost today... to Fed. This is how I know he is done, losing to his personal punching bag :(

:oldlol: It'll turn its ways once they meet in a Major :D

Those Delly and TT comments getting kinda old... TT hardly played in one of those games were Mozgov scored 26 something points, playing Love and Mozgov was always possible, and TT got plenty of time to play aswell, a role in which he works much better in. Delly's trash series after game 3 gets kind of forgotten it seems. He had a 20 point game 3 and that was it.

The guy scored 0 points in game 1, 5 in game 5, 1 in game 6.... isn't it kind of obvious that Kyrie with 20+ efficient points would be a world changer here? A Kyrie that already outplayed Curry in game 1? Cahmm onnnnnn....

Not buying it. Would look forward to a Cavs/GSW series this year, would change alot of people's minds. Although, I think we can already predict what would happen, people just have their mind set on things, because the LeBron dislike. So instead it would just represent last year's finals events even clearer.

[nba_55]

Losing Kyrie and Love made them slow the games down more. You honestly think Kyrie or Love do a better job defending the Warriors than their replacements? It allowed Delly and TT to get more minutes. Guess what? Those 2 were HUGE to get the Cavs up 2-1. They play a lot more D than Kyrie and Love, which was what was needed to 'muck' the game up and make the Warriors work for their points.

BTW, Rafa fckin lost today... to Fed. This is how I know he is done, losing to his personal punching bag :(

False. The slowing down of the game had nothing to do with the defense. It was more about Cavs's offense. They were running isolations most of the game and were letting the shot clock run down. With Kyrie and Love, they could still do that. Actually, they were running lots of isolations during the season even when they had love and kyrie.

Also, the main reason why Warriors won was because they had a huge advantage when they went small ball. Cavs were forced to play scrubs like James Jones and Mike Miller instead of Mozgov. With Love, they would match up well with their small ball.

And Lebron got tired toward the end of the series for having to run the offense alone the whole game. WIth 2 other stars in Love and Kyrie, it wouldn't happen.

[imdaman99]

:oldlol: It'll turn its ways once they meet in a Major :D

Those Delly and TT comments getting kinda old... TT hardly played in one of those games were Mozgov scored 26 something points, playing Love and Mozgov was always possible, and TT got plenty of time to play aswell, a role in which he works much better in. Delly's trash series after game 3 gets kind of forgotten it seems. He had a 20 point game 3 and that was it.

The guy scored 0 points in game 1, 5 in game 5, 1 in game 6.... isn't it kind of obvious that Kyrie with 20+ efficient points would be a world changer here? A Kyrie that already outplayed Curry in game 1? Cahmm onnnnnn....

Not buying it. Would look forward to a Cavs/GSW series this year, would change alot of people's minds. Although, I think we can already predict what would happen, people just have their mind set on things, because the LeBron dislike. So instead it would just represent last year's finals events even clearer.
They will never meet in a slam again... not with Rafa losing to other shmoes :facepalm

Do you wonder why the Cavs didn't win again after game 3? It had a lot to do with Delly wearing down and he wasn't able to cover Curry anymore. They key to guarding Curry is to make him work and beat him up when he has to play D as well. Delly was not equipped to play that many mins.

Kyrie guarded him well, but is he known for his D? Do you think Curry doesn't heat up? I mean I guess Shump was there to guard him as well. But that leaves Kyrie to guard someone else who is prob a good offensive player as well.

The game when TT didn't play and mozgov scored 26? Didn't they get blown out? Or was that because Lebron had a poor game?

I don't think you have to worry about the Warriors this year, it seems like the best West team is gonna be healthy.

[DukeDelonte13]

only on ISH are the cavs a better team without Love and Kyrie. :hammerhead:

[imdaman99]

False. The slowing down of the game had nothing to do with the defense. It was more about Cavs's offense. They were running isolations most of the game and were letting the shot clock run down. With Kyrie and Love, they could still do that. Actually, they were running lots of isolations during the season even when they had love and kyrie.

Also, the main reason why Warriors won was because they had a huge advantage when they went small ball. Cavs were forced to play scrubs like James Jones and Mike Miller instead of Mozgov. With Love, they would match up well with their small ball.

And Lebron got tired toward the end of the series for having to run the offense alone the whole game. WIth 2 other stars in Love and Kyrie, it wouldn't happen.
I didn't say it was strictly because of the defense. Their offense became iso because they didn't have the 2 other guys. Kyrie and Love were a major part of their offense and losing them meant they had to go ISO heavy with Lebron. Also, putting Kyrie and Love on the floor meant the Warriors were gonna score more. It's crazy to think the Cavs would win 4 of the 7 shootouts with the Warriors. No one outshoots that team.

[imdaman99]

only on ISH are the cavs a better team without Love and Kyrie. :hammerhead:
Only on defense.

[ArbitraryWater]

They will never meet in a slam again... not with Rafa losing to other shmoes :facepalm

Do you wonder why the Cavs didn't win again after game 3? It had a lot to do with Delly wearing down and he wasn't able to cover Curry anymore. They key to guarding Curry is to make him work and beat him up when he has to play D as well. Delly was not equipped to play that many mins.

Kyrie guarded him well, but is he known for his D? Do you think Curry doesn't heat up? I mean I guess Shump was there to guard him as well. But that leaves Kyrie to guard someone else who is prob a good offensive player as well.

The game when TT didn't play and mozgov scored 26? Didn't they get blown out? Or was that because Lebron had a poor game?

I don't think you have to worry about the Warriors this year, it seems like the best West team is gonna be healthy.

Man EXACTLY.... how can you say that and still think they wouldn't be WAY better with a fresh Delly allowed to lock on Curry, and Kyrie giving Curry the BUSINESS like he did in game 1 (which ALSO is tiring)... the game Mozgov scored 26 in was a 1 possession game going into the 4th, and was also easily Bron's worst game of the series, again something that was BOUND to happen when he has to take 25+ shots, he would be nowhere near that level of exhaustion with Love and Kyrie offensively, he flamed out in alot of those 2nd halfs and 4th quarters... come on bro, its clear as shit.

[imdaman99]

Man EXACTLY.... how can you say that and still think they wouldn't be WAY better with a fresh Delly allowed to lock on Curry, and Kyrie giving Curry the BUSINESS like he did in game 1 (which ALSO is tiring)... the game Mozgov scored 26 in was a 1 possession game going into the 4th, and was also easily Bron's worst game of the series, again something that was BOUND to happen when he has to take 25+ shots, he would be nowhere near that level of exhaustion with Love and Kyrie offensively, he flamed out in alot of those 2nd halfs and 4th quarters... come on bro, its clear as shit.
I just think it was the Warriors year. Believe me, I hate that team but they were clicking. They went down 1-2 in 2 rounds and didn't lose again.

I'm not saying the Warriors still win in 6. It likely goes 7 with a healthy team but the Warriors still win. Hard to lose game 7 in a crazy environment like that. This year it would be a diff result. JR with a diminished role can only be a good thing, a Knicks fan would know :oldlol: :(

[stalkerforlife]

No shit, sherlock.

They play in the phucking worst conference in NBA history.

[jrong]

They're not even getting back to the Finals. Love will become lost again once Kyrie returns. The Bulls will take them down.

[JT123]

They're not even getting back to the Finals. Love will become lost again once Kyrie returns. The Bulls will take them down.
One regular season loss and you have already given up on hope that the Heat can beat the Cavs? :lol :lol

[ArbitraryWater]

They're not even getting back to the Finals. Love will become lost again once Kyrie returns. The Bulls will take them down.

How many times are we going to hear this? :oldlol:

Once they're beaten this post was never made, right? And no credit to LeBron even though you have the Bulls as favorites, right?

[Rocketswin2013]

lebron in playoff mode with a healthy cavs team. :eek:

it'll get ugly

[LakersForlife]

I think we can put this to bed with what happened last year, when a Cavs team missing 2/3 best players forced GSW to a 6 game series... I think we could also put it to bed when the Heat re-peated, and now this Cavaliers team is even better than that Heat team.... I don't understand how someone that works rationally elsewhere would spew this nonsense, explain Rafa fan :cheers:

if cavs where healthy it just means irving will Chuck and no shots for lebron. and Kevin love making Draymond Green Jesus with hes soft ass defense

[nba_55]

if cavs where healthy it just means irving will Chuck and no shots for lebron. and Kevin love making Draymond Green Jesus with hes soft ass defense

Like in game 1 when Lebron took 38 shots?

[SwishSquared]

People saying that the Cavs were better off sans two All-Stars in Kyrie & Love in the Finals are delusional. Cleveland had 5.5 legit NBA rotation guys in that series after Kyrie got hurt (I only count Delly as 1/2 since he's more of a 3rd stringer to me than a legit back up PG). You don't think LeBron would have welcomed another perimeter ball handler in Irving or a really skilled offensive player in Love? LBJ's minutes skyrocketed because they basically had no other substitute for handling the rock.

When GSW went super small, LBJ was the only guy capable of taking advantage of a double team in the post. Mozgov can't pass out of a double and if LBJ can't both be the post-up threat and perimeter threat at the same time. GSW would have had one of Barnes/Iggy/Dray guarding Love and Mozgov/TT. They wouldn't be able to harass the bigs as easily. Not to mention Kyrie was poised to continue putting pressure on GSW's defense. They had trouble guarding him in Game 1. That would have continued.

The Kyrie/LBJ/Love/Mozgov 4-man group was something like 34-3 in their last 37 games together or some crazy stat. They won consistently against the West, too. I fully believe that team would have won the Finals if healthy.

Golden State was a heck of a ball team last year- historically great imo. However, the Cavs had a grouping that could beat anybody. The fact that they outworked Dubs and won 2 games is surprising. That was a pathetic supporting cast due to the lack of depth once Kyrie got injured. I mean when Delly/JR/Shump/Miller is your guard rotation, you should lose the series. We got robbed of an epic Finals due to the Cavs injuries. Heck, a grudge match series would be epic imo this season.

I expect a (healthy) Cavs team to be a real threat in the Finals this year. I think Love will be much better utilized- LBJ is incentivized to actually play to his strengths since he's running out of time to win another ring. Plus, the WC is still a bloodbath for whomever escapes.

[Cocaine80s]

Lmao people really think not having Kyrie Irving and Kevin Love made the Cavs better? :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[Rocketswin2013]

Lmao people really think not having Kyrie Irving and Kevin Love made the Cavs better? :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm
32-3 together. But there's this myth about them not having chemistry.

I can't wait until February.

[GrapeApe]

I think we can put this to bed with what happened last year, when a Cavs team missing 2/3 best players forced GSW to a 6 game series... I think we could also put it to bed when the Heat re-peated, and now this Cavaliers team is even better than that Heat team.... I don't understand how someone that works rationally elsewhere would spew this nonsense, explain Rafa fan :cheers:

Do you really think the current Cavs team is better than the 2013 Heat? That was an all-time great team when healthy. If not for some injury issues early in the season they would have likely won 70+ games.

[dubeta]

Do you really think the current Cavs team is better than the 2013 Heat? That was an all-time great team when healthy. If not for some injury issues early in the season they would have likely won 70+ games.

How was that 2013 Heat supporting cast once the playoffs began?

[JT123]

Do you really think the current Cavs team is better than the 2013 Heat? That was an all-time great team when healthy. If not for some injury issues early in the season they would have likely won 70+ games.
Lebron was better in 2013, but his current Cavs supporting cast is the best he's ever had. The 2013 Heat were just a 2 man show, and as soon as Wade got hurt before the playoffs we saw how flawed that team really was.

[Cocaine80s]

Do you really think the current Cavs team is better than the 2013 Heat? That was an all-time great team when healthy. If not for some injury issues early in the season they would have likely won 70+ games.
2013 Heat almost lost to the Pacers

[Clocian-IGN]

They're not even getting back to the Finals. Love will become lost again once Kyrie returns. The Bulls will take them down.

This

[RedBlackAttack]

Only on defense.
The argument where the Cavs are somehow better without Kyrie and Love is not even ISH worthy and that's saying something. First of all, Delly and Tristan would have been playing in the series regardless of what was going on with Kyrie/Love. Besides the obvious fact that Kyrie and Love are far better players, where the "replacement theory" really fails is in the idea that TT/Delly wouldn't have been playing with those guys healthy.

They played a lot of minutes all year long. It's just that, with Kyrie and Love, TT and particularly Delly wouldn't have been a ghost of themselves via over-use by the fourth game. Delly was basically done after the third game, and who could blame him? You have a guy who was accustomed to playing 10-20 minutes a game suddenly being asked to play 35+ minutes a night with essentially no backup.

The Warriors won that series primarily with their depth. And, wouldn't you know it, that's what normally make guys like Tristan and Delly so good, when they're coming off the bench with high energy in manageable minutes.

And, Kyrie was fine defensively in Game 1 and really throughout the playoffs. It wasn't an issue. When he is locked in and focused, he is a perfectly serviceable NBA defender. And, one of the best offensive players in the league.

Just stop it.

[GrapeApe]

I was mainly referring to the 2013 regular season Heat. Wade's injury obviously made things more difficult in the playoffs, and that's why I said "when healthy". That team had peak Lebron, Wade was still a top 10 player and the most efficient guard in the league, Bosh was a 17/7 third option, and they had great veteran role players. Chalmers also shot a career best 41% from 3. They were great on both sides of the floor and had the best chemistry of any of the big 3 Heat teams. If not for Wade's bone bruise injury late in the season, I'm not sure any team pushes them past 5 games in the playoffs.

[dubeta]

WOAH woah hold up OP slow down on the bandwagon. Lets see if LeBron can carry these group of misfits to the Finals again, before we automatically declare they sweep the playoffs.

[Hey Yo]

WOAH woah hold up OP slow down on the bandwagon. Lets see if LeBron can carry these group of misfits to the Finals again, before we automatically declare they sweep the playoffs.
yeah.....sweeping a 60 win Hawks team in the CF with 4 all-stars and who had the number 1 seed..... is a very rare feat.

[Paul George 24]

I think we can put this to bed with what happened last year, when a Cavs team missing 2/3 best players forced GSW to a 6 game series... I think we could also put it to bed when the Heat re-peated, and now this Cavaliers team is even better than that Heat team.... I don't understand how someone that works rationally elsewhere would spew this nonsense, explain Rafa fan :cheers:

MISSED 2 BLACKHOLE DEFENDERS :lol

[Paul George 24]

SPURS WILL SWEEP THE CAVS IN FINALS AGAIN :applause:

[Cocaine80s]

SPURS WILL SWEEP THE CAVS IN FINALS AGAIN :applause:
Not even gonna get past okc, let alone Golden state :cheers:

[poido123]

Not even gonna get past okc, let alone Golden state :cheers:


Don't you want Lebron to face the best competition?

Fcken P.ussy :oldlol:

[Cocaine80s]

Don't you want Lebron to face the best competition?

Fcken P.ussy :oldlol:
Hey you stupid ****, thought you learned from last time to think before you post.


If Okc and Goldenstate can beat the Spurs doesn't that make them the best competition? :facepalm

[Optimus Prime]

They'd better. They play in the Least, have a record-breaking luxury tax bill to buy a ring Yankees style, and are SUPER STACKED.

No excuses.

:kobe:

[Spurs m8]

If they make it it'll be the same outcome as the previous 2 years.

East team gets through the piss easy East, then get embarrassed when they can't match it with the West.

[Spurs m8]

Not even gonna get past okc, let alone Golden state :cheers:

You're angry your team has no chance at all tbh

[Cocaine80s]

You're angry your team has no chance at all tbh
Of course im angry, Cavs will be huge underdogs against any team in the finals. It would be a major upset if the Cavs were somehow able to win.

But imagine Bron doing the impossible, leading Cleveland to their first ring by upsetting a stacked WC team tho? Top 5 all time imo

[poido123]

Hey you stupid ****, thought you learned from last time to think before you post.


If Okc and Goldenstate can beat the Spurs doesn't that make them the best competition? :facepalm



It's about matchups.


Certain teams have matchup advantages. Should I need to explain that?



You know that Spurs matchup up well with the Cavs.

[Cocaine80s]

It's about matchups.


Certain teams have matchup advantages. Should I need to explain that?



You know that Spurs matchup up well with the Cavs.
They don't actually. Spurs shat on Miami because they had no bigs. Cavs now have Love, Thompson, Mozgov and Verejao. Warriors and okc are a worse matchup

[Orlando Magic]

If Mozgov was healthy, they would have.