Put 2001 Iverson and 2003 Tmac in the 05/06 season

[Dragonyeuw]

How many points do they average? Bear in mind, as much as people rave over Kobe's 35ppg that year, oft-forgotten is that Iverson himself averaged 33 on 45% shooting, at 30 years old and not *quite* at 2001 MVP level.

[DaOldLion]

How many points do they average? Bear in mind, as much as people rave over Kobe's 35ppg that year, oft-forgotten is that Iverson himself averaged 33 on 45% shooting, at 30 years old and not *quite* at 2001 MVP level.


and you seem to have forgotten that during that season Iverson had a 20/10 big man, Iggy, Korver, Salmons and Dalembert still and couldn't make the playoffs or win 40 games out east

[Optimus Prime]

So this is nothing more than a thinly veiled Kobe bashing thread.

:kobe:

[catch24]

More-so than Kobe, 2001 Iverson literally had the green-light to shoot and score whenever and where ever. He WAS the offense on that team.

If you're taking 2001 Iverson and putting him on the 2006 Sixers, I think he scores about the same. Dude wasn't taking the inefficient shots or carrying the load he did in 2001 so I think it evens out some.

Ditto with Mcgrady. 2006 Orlando had a worse record than in 2003, but FAR more talent around TMac if we're talking plug-and-play.

[Dragonyeuw]

and you seem to have forgotten that during that season Iverson had a 20/10 big man, Iggy, Korver, Salmons and Dalembert still and couldn't make the playoffs or win 40 games out east

What the fcuk are you talking about? 2001 Iverson took the Sixers to the finals. I clearly ****ing said PUT 2001 IVERSON IN 2006. The question had nothing to do with what 30 year old Iverson did, or his team, in 2006. It was a hypothetical scenario of what would MVP Iverson(2001) do offensively in the seasons right after the rule changes when a number of players experienced career scoring years( Kobe, Lebron, Arenas, Nash's ascension to MVP level)

Learn to read.

[Dragonyeuw]

So this is nothing more than a thinly veiled Kobe bashing thread.

:kobe:

Um no, it isn't. You sound like a not so thinly veiled Kobe stan who's afraid to admit that if a 26 year old peak Iverson put up 31 in 2001, a tougher defensive era, that he'd likely put up 35 in 2006 under similar conditions, considering that 30 year old Iverson averaged 33.

[Shih508]

2001 Iverson in 2006 = 37ppg 8 assist while having 44% fg.

[Dragonyeuw]

If you're taking 2001 Iverson and putting him on the 2006 Sixers, I think he scores about the same. Dude wasn't taking the inefficient shots or carrying the load he did in 2001 so I think it evens out some.



I guess to some degree, I'm envisioning a scenario where the rest of the 2001 Sixers carry into 2006 as well, same team makeup. Meaning Iverson is carrying the exact same load he did in 2001, while taking advantage of the post 2004 rules.

[GIF REACTION]

Michael Jordan averages 55.

[kennethgriffin]

in 2001 and 2003 kobe averaged 30ppg while sharing the ball with another guy averaging nearly 30ppg


kobe averaged 5 more points in 2006 because he shared the ball with kwame and smush instead

not because of the era/rules


tmac and iverson had the absolute fullest green light their entire career and never got the average kobe got in one of his only 2 seasons with that kind of opportunity



if it was meant to happen it would have

[Straight_Ballin]

2001 Iverson in 2006 = 37ppg 8 assist while having 44% fg.

05/06? AI would be good for 37, Tmac good for 34, and Jordan would average over 40 on high efficiency.

[Dragonyeuw]

[B]in 2001 and 2003 kobe averaged 30ppg while sharing the ball with another guy averaging nearly 30ppg


kobe averaged 5 more points in 2006 because he shared the ball with kwame and smush instead

not because of the era/rules




Iverson was second behind Kobe with 33ppg that year, at 30 years old. There's no reason to think a 26 year old A.I couldn't have averaged more than that if he had Kobe's teammates, or the 2001 Sixers that were a bunch of defensive roleplayers. A number of players experienced career seasons that year in addition to Kobe, so I don't see how you can say the rules had no impact. What's the likelihood of a 31 year old Steve Nash going from a borderline top 6 PG between 2001-2003 to an MVP level player, without those rule changes? Zero.

[Straight_Ballin]

Iverson was second behind Kobe with 33ppg that year, at 30 years old. There's no reason to think a 26 year old A.I couldn't have averaged more than that if he had Kobe's teammates, or the 2001 Sixers that were a bunch of defensive roleplayers. A number of players experienced career seasons that year in addition to Kobe, so I don't see how you can say the rules had no impact. What's the likelihood of a 31 year old Steve Nash going from a borderline top 6 PG between 2001-2003 to an MVP level player, without those rule changes? Zero.

AI carried a team of scrubs on his back to the finals in 01 and even stole a game from Kobe that series. Sorry, but when you have the greatest peak player of all time in his peak (shaq) on your roster and you allow a 6'1 165 lb player to steal a game from you, it's time to watch more Jordan tape and that is exactly what Kobe did.

[kennethgriffin]

even before the rule changes kobe was blasting the league with piss


in 2003 he had 9 straight 40 point games, 12 threes in a game, a handful of 50 point games.

if he had as big a green light that year as 2006 he averages 35+ then aswell

[Dragonyeuw]

even before the rule changes kobe was blasting the league with piss


in 2003 he had 9 straight 40 point games, 12 threes in a game, a handful of 50 point games.

if he had as big a green light that year as 2006 he averages 35+ then aswell

He also averaged 23.5 shots a game (1924) in 2003, the second highest of his career behind 2006. For reference that mark has only been eclipsed 28 times in the history of the NBA. The greenlight wasn't a problem, even in 2003 with a prime Shaq on the squad taking 5 less shots per game and the two of them accounting for 52% of the teams offense.

[DaOldLion]

What the fcuk are you talking about? 2001 Iverson took the Sixers to the finals. I clearly ****ing said PUT 2001 IVERSON IN 2006. The question had nothing to do with what 30 year old Iverson did, or his team, in 2006. It was a hypothetical scenario of what would MVP Iverson(2001) do offensively in the seasons right after the rule changes when a number of players experienced career scoring years( Kobe, Lebron, Arenas, Nash's ascension to MVP level)

Learn to read.

learn to read dumbass,

you talked about Iverson in 06 putting up those numbers yet failed to mention that he missed the playoffs in a weak east with a good supporting cast so who fucciing cares, if the question had nothing to do with what Iverson actually did in 06 then why bring it up?

I swear most posters on ISH try their best to be an idiot

:lol: :lol:

[kennethgriffin]

He also averaged 23.5 shots a game (1924) in 2003, the second highest of his career behind 2006. For reference that mark has only been eclipsed 28 times in the history of the NBA. The greenlight wasn't a problem, even in 2003 with a prime Shaq on the squad taking 5 less shots per game and the two of them accounting for 52% of the teams offense.


lol@ the green light wasnt the problem?



i'm pretty sure if you took away shaqs 30ppg kobe gains 5ppg at the very minimum


kobe was basically a 35ppg player since 2001



2001 = 29ppg ( had shaq averaging 29ppg )
2002 = 27ppg ( had shaq averaging 28ppg )
2003 = 30ppg ( had shaq averaging 28ppg )
2004 = 24ppg ( had to share with malone, payton and shaq )
2005 = injured all year


all these years in his 2006 situation and healthy is a 35ppg player like 2006


period


and if the lakers never get gasol he probly goes off in 2008 and 2009 aswell



guys have to sacrifice in order to win


yall think jordan was incapable of 35-36ppg in the 90s? ofcourse not. he had to hold back slightly swell


tmac and iverson never had to hold back. they never had to make others feel good. nore did they want to. and they both sure as **** never had serious expectations to win titles. yet they both couldnt eclipse 35ppg.

it was never meant to happen


period

ok?

[Dragonyeuw]

learn to read dumbass,

you talked about Iverson in 06 putting up those numbers yet failed to mention that he missed the playoffs in a weak east with a good supporting cast so who fucciing cares, if the question had nothing to do with what Iverson actually did in 06 then why bring it up?

I swear most posters on ISH try their best to be an idiot

:lol: :lol:

Learn to read? I'm the one who created the topic, you fcuking cvnt. Let's walk through this again:

Put 2001 Iverson and 2003 Tmac in the 05/06 season

Now let's look at the FIRST SENTENCE IN THE FCUKING OP:

How many points do they average

Why the fcuk are you bringing up the Sixers missing the playoffs in 2006?! That has absolutely NOTHING to do with the premise of the thread. Have you noticed that everyone else is actually talking about what 2001 Iverson would average in 2006, and you're the lone cvnt talking about the Sixers missing the playoffs?

Honestly, stop posting. You've managed to make yourself look like an even bigger jackass than before.

[Young X]

learn to read dumbass,

you talked about Iverson in 06 putting up those numbers yet failed to mention that he missed the playoffs in a weak east with a good supporting cast so who fucciing cares, if the question had nothing to do with what Iverson actually did in 06 then why bring it up?

I swear most posters on ISH try their best to be an idiot

:lol: :lol:The thread is strictly about numbers. You got defensive for no reason.

[Dragonyeuw]

lol@ the green light wasnt the problem?



i'm pretty sure if you took away shaqs 30ppg kobe gains 5ppg at the very minimum


kobe was basically a 35ppg player since 2001



2001 = 29ppg ( had shaq averaging 29ppg )
2002 = 27ppg ( had shaq averaging 28ppg )
2003 = 30ppg ( had shaq averaging 28ppg )
2004 = 24ppg ( had to share with malone, payton and shaq )
2005 = injured all year


all these years in his 2006 situation and healthy is a 35ppg player like 2006


period


and if the lakers never get gasol he probly goes off in 2008 and 2009 aswell



guys have to sacrifice in order to win


yall think jordan was incapable of 35-36ppg in the 90s? ofcourse not. he had to hold back slightly swell


tmac and iverson never had to hold back. they never had to make others feel good. nore did they want to. and they both sure as **** never had serious expectations to win titles. yet they both couldnt eclipse 35ppg.

it was never meant to happen


period

ok?

Like I said, only 28 times in the history of the NBA has anyone taken more shots than 2003 Kobe. That is a fact that you are free to look up. So how the hell did he not have a green light in 2003 when 2006 is the only time in 20 years that he's exceeded that total? The premise is simple, if a 30 year old Iverson can put up 33ppg in 2006, why wouldn't a 26 year old prime A.I's numbers not at the VERY least duplicate that average and/or surpass it? You're speculating that Kobe could have put up 35 as far back as 2001, yet you seem unable( or unwilling) to extrapolate in a similar manner for Iverson.

Let's apply the same logic to 2003 Tmac, using your own argument about number of shots. Tmac scored 32ppg on 24 shots in 2003. If he took the same 27 shots that Kobe took in 2006, the percentages say he gets to 35ppg. Iverson is a more compelling case because he wasn't even in his absolute prime in 2006, and he put up 33. Yet it's a stretch to think MVP Iverson couldn't average 2 more points with a few more shots? I'll actually use that moron's comment about a 20/10 guy above, the one thing he's said which bears some relevance to the thread. Iverson had Webber putting up 20 ppg when he averaged 33. Give him Kobe's 2006 second option, Odom who averaged 15, you don't think A.I takes up a portion of that scoring differential? IF you're going to say that Shaq's presence stopped Kobe from hitting 35 sooner, I'll go with that for argument's sake. Now apply that same logic to Iverson in 2006: give him a lesser scoring #2( from Webber's 20ppg to Odom's 15ppg), your own argument dictates that Iverson would likely have exceeded the 33ppg.

[ShaqTwizzle]

[B]2003 kobe averaged 30ppg while sharing the ball with another guy averaging nearly 30ppg

kobe averaged 5 more points in 2006 because he shared the ball with kwame and smush instead

not because of the era/rules


2003 Kobe (12 games) (start of season) (pre-Shaq) (no-Shaq)
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Stats = 29 / 9 / 6 on .49%TS

Sorry Kenneth but you're wrong.
Shaq never held Kobe back from shooting.

He allowed Kobe to shoot like a 1st option while facing far less defensive attention then a normal 1st option would face.

As we can see from the above stats when Kobe didn't have Shaq before the hand-checking changes his effiency hit Iverson levels and his volume didn't go way up as you suggested it would.

:lebronamazed:

[ShaqTwizzle]

Kobe shooting stat averages
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01-03 playoffs = 23.5 FGA /// 8.5 FTA
08-10 playoffs = 22.4 FGA /// 8.6 FTA

[LikeMike]

The more accurate question is how good would the Lakers be with those guys instead of Kobe? T-Mac, about the same. AI, the Lakers would be better in 2005-06.