Half of Curry's shots are 3-pointers

[3ball]

We already know that Curry benefits from the 3-point shot more than any player in the history of the league - this is statistical fact..

But back when there wasn't a 3-point line, he'd be a much worse player.. In the 70's, Curry would get the same looks he gets today, except all the three pointers (half his shots) would be long two's instead... Long two's at 44% don't hurt a defense, so he'd be a much worse player.. Also, his shots inside 15 feet would be far better contested, since defenders didn't have to guard the 3-point line - that's why DRtg was literally 10 points lower in the 70's.

Short gunners that can't dominate inside end up being World B Free and Maravich-level players in the 70's, and those guys were actually better 2-point shotmakers than Curry.. But they were never considered the best player in the game or anywhere near, whereas Curry is considered that now.. Again, today's spaced-out, 3-point friendly league is the only era where Curry would be a top player.
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[LoneyROY7]

It's easier to do that when you're not a 32 percent career 3pt shooter.

[ShawkFactory]

What's your point?

[WorldWarriors]

We already know that Curry benefits from the 3-point shot more than any player in the history of the league - this is statistical fact..

Furthermore, the extra point he gets from 3-pointers enhances his penetration ability - defenders must play him tighter to avoid him getting an extra point on his shots.. But if you removed the 3-point line, guys could sag off and let him shoot 2's all day.

And in general, 2-point scoring requires more physicality and ability to overpower defenders, especially with legal hand-checking, which is why Curry wouldn't be nearly as good 2-point scorer as players with similar gunning styles like Gervin, World B Free or Maravich.


LOL he still has to make the shot. The rule is there for everybody to enjoy if they can. I don't understand the point of this. :roll:

[bigkingsfan]

If you removed the 2 point shot, Jordan would be worthless, so what?

[catch24]

Curry would rip the 90s to shreds. Less double-teams, no zone, and less emphasis on 3PT shooting.

You just throw him into that era, as is? He would be a nightmare match up game-planning against.

[WorldWarriors]

If you removed the 2 point shot, Jordan would be worthless, so what?
:roll:

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Good thing Lebron doesn't benefit from the modern rules

Would be even better with Rule Enforced Spacing via Illegal defense

[Gus Hemmingway]

obviously Curry's the type of gym guy that does arms everyday

it goes hand n hand with his style of play, dude just focusses behind the arch

[GoatBoy]

Yeah.. I don't think the 3 point line is getting removed anytime soon, so no need to ponder over what would happen if it occurred

[WorldWarriors]

LOL Somebody must have mentioned Curry and Jordan in the same sentence or something. Nothing else would warrant this weird thread from 3ball. He's usually focused on Lebron.:oldlol:

[DonDadda59]

Curry would rip the 90s to shreds. Less double-teams, no zone, and less emphasis on 3PT shooting.

You just throw him into that era, as is? He would be a nightmare match up game-planning against.

LOL. Steph Curry in the 90s = Dell Curry in the 90s.

There's a reason why the 3-pt shooting attempts were so low until the league started eliminating contact on the perimeter. That was no coincidence.

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Don making up bullshit as usual

[catch24]

LOL. Steph Curry in the 90s = Dell Curry in the 90s.

There's a reason why the 3-pt shooting attempts were so low until the league started eliminating contact on the perimeter. That was no coincidence.

If you truly believe that, you should be locked up in an insane asylum. You'll fit in right there with 3ball.

[SCdac]

No doubt many of the best guards of the last 10-15 years have been trigger happy from beyond the arch. He's not alone though. Damian Lillard attempted 16.6 shots per game last season and 7 of those on average were three pointers. That's pretty close, Harden shoots a high amount too. The degree to which taking away the three point line would affect these players is debatable but no doubt they're made from a different mold. Can't knock Curry for being a sharpshooter with a volume scorers mentality and ability to distribute the ball well

[LoneyROY7]

LOL. Steph Curry in the 90s = Dell Curry in the 90s.

There's a reason why the 3-pt shooting attempts were so low until the league started eliminating contact on the perimeter. That was no coincidence.

Don't be a moron, dude.

[Orlando Magic]

LOL Somebody must have mentioned Curry and Jordan in the same sentence or something. Nothing else would warrant this weird thread from 3ball. He's usually focused on Lebron.:oldlol:

Hahaha yep. It seems there has been a shift in the force. Curry is starting to become ish'so #1 guy so it was only a matter of time.

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Michael Adams put up 26 points on 21 shots with 8 3 pointer attempts in the 90's

He couldn't even crack 40% when they shortened the 3pt line to 22ft

Curry would MURDER them

[WorldWarriors]

Hahaha yep. It seems there has been a shift in the force. Curry is starting to become ish'so #1 guy so it was only a matter of time.

LOL Curry is a long way from Jordan's crown. He's a joy to watch though and I'm glad he's on my team.

[TrueBlue89]

Damn Jordan stans threatened by Steph. :lol

[kshutts1]

I think Kyle Korver, Steve Kerr, Craig Hodges, Anthony Morrow, Steve Novak, JJ Redick and a slew of other players have benefitted more from the 3p shot than Curry.

Those guys are in the league, literally, only because they could shoot. At least Curry is great, or elite, in other facets of the game, as well. (Korver did become great at other things, but was only drafted for his shooting)

[DonDadda59]

Don making up bullshit as usual

How/why did the league go from 6 3PA in '90 to 15 in '95 alone? Tell me when the biggest season to season change in 3PA occurred. What changed? Why did 3PA skyrocket again post mid '00s?

Obviously something changed that facilitated the outburst in 3-pt attempts. But again, like all things... probably just a coincidence. :oldlol:


If you truly believe that, you should be locked up in an insane asylum. You'll fit in right there with 3ball.

Steph Curry = Smaller Dell Curry in much more optimal conditions... hence the MVP. There is no other era in NBA History where a Steph Curry wins MVP. Maybe the shitty early 00s if he played in the East, but even that's a stretch.

[tmacattack33]

What's your point?

Giving who the poster is, I bet his point is that MJ is far superior to Stephen Curry.

And his post makes no sense. I don't see the point of talking about some fantasy basketball world where there are no 3 pointers.

3 pointers are here in this sport and they aren't going away any time soon.

[DonDadda59]

Damn Jordan stans threatened by Steph. :lol

:biggums:

Reggie Miller, Ray Allen, or Dell Curry stans should be worried. But the GOAT?

Stop it, son.

[GIF REACTION]

It didn't you moron, 3 pointers have been on a gradual climb since the 80's

It was sped up because they shortened the 3pt line

When they removed it, teams still continued to shoot it frequently, continuing the trend

[LoneyROY7]

How/why did the league go from 6 3PA in '90 to 15 in '95 alone? Tell me when the biggest season to season change in 3PA occurred. What changed? Why did 3PA skyrocket again post mid '00s?

Obviously something changed that facilitated the outburst in 3-pt attempts. But again, like all things... probably just a coincidence. :oldlol:



Steph Curry = Smaller Dell Curry in much more optimal conditions... hence the MVP. There is no other era in NBA History where a Steph Curry wins MVP. Maybe the shitty early 00s if he played in the East, but even that's a stretch.

This deserves to be in the dumbest things ever said thread.

I get that you're trying to prop up your idol, but it is really necessary to stoop to this level of stupidity?

[WorldWarriors]

:biggums:

Reggie Miller, Ray Allen, or Dell Curry stans should be worried. But the GOAT?

Stop it, son.

It's a specific fan we're talking about. Otherwise this thread wouldn't have been made. That's the reason for it. I'm convinced, lol.

Everybody her knows his MO.:oldlol:

[3ball]

Michael Adams put up 26 points on 21 shots with 8 3 pointer attempts in the 90's

He couldn't even crack 40% when they shortened the 3pt line to 22ft

Curry would MURDER them
Adams shot 29% from three, so defenders could sag off him and let him shoot.. His 3-point attempts didn't enhance his penetration ability by getting defenders to play him closer.

Otoh, the 3-point shot enhances Curry's penetration ability - defenders must play him tighter to avoid him getting an extra point on his shots.. But if you removed the 3-point line, guys could sag off and let him shoot 2's all day.

And in general, 2-point scoring requires more physicality and ability to overpower defenders, especially with legal hand-checking, which is why Curry wouldn't be nearly as good 2-point scorer as players with similar gunning styles like Gervin, World B Free or Maravich.

[GIF REACTION]

don't make me do it 3ball

You know I will

[ShawkFactory]

Adams shot 29% from three, so defenders could sag off him and let him shoot.. His 3-point attempts didn't enhance his penetration ability by getting defenders to play him closer.

Otoh, the 3-point shot enhances Curry's penetration ability - defenders must play him tighter to avoid him getting an extra point on his shots.. But if you removed the 3-point line, guys could sag off and let him shoot 2's all day.

And in general, 2-point scoring requires more physicality and ability to overpower defenders, especially with legal hand-checking, which is why Curry wouldn't be nearly as good 2-point scorer as players with similar gunning styles like Gervin, World B Free or Maravich.
Same exact post as the OP. What's your point? The 3 has been a part of the game for quite some time now.

If you removed Jordan's left leg he wouldn't be as good at basketball.

[Monta Ellis MVP]

Curry is the Modern Day GOAT. Welcome to the future. :rockon:

[DonDadda59]

It didn't you moron, 3 pointers have been on a gradual climb since the 80's

It was sped up because they shortened the 3pt line

When they removed it, teams still continued to shoot it frequently, continuing the trend

Sorry, that's not the right answer. :(

Biggest change in 3PA from season to season = '94-'95. The league did shorten the 3-point line but also, more importantly, eliminated full court handchecking (it was still permitted in the half court, beyond the FT line).

From the inception of the 3 until '90, the attempts were in the 3-6/gm range. From '94-'95 alone, attempts went from 9 to 15/gm. And even after the line was brought back to its original dimensions, the attempts still remained in the mid teens. The net change from '98 to '05 was 13-16 (roughly the same change that occurred in the 80s).

From the mid 00s to today, the # went from 16-24 attempts, another massive change.

But obviously rule changes don't affect the sort of shot attempts guys are taking. :oldlol:

[juju151111]

LOL. Steph Curry in the 90s = Dell Curry in the 90s.

There's a reason why the 3-pt shooting attempts were so low until the league started eliminating contact on the perimeter. That was no coincidence.
Stop it no superstar is going to regress that much in any era. Dell Curry doesn't have no where near the talent Curry has. Reggie Miller was launching 3s in the 90s.

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3pt attempts were always increasing don

The shortening of the 3pt line just accelerated this

[DonDadda59]

This deserves to be in the dumbest things ever said thread.

I get that you're trying to prop up your idol, but it is really necessary to stoop to this level of stupidity?

How do you figure? Jordan was never a 3-pt shooter, so he really doesn't fit into this argument.

The reason Steph gets off the number of 3s he does is the same reason James Harden (another fraud who is simply a product of his times, we can all agree) gets off the number of 3s he does.


Stop it no superstar is going to regress that much in any era. Dell Curry doesn't have no where near the talent Curry has. Reggie Miller was launching 3s in the 90s.

And if you knew anything about Reggie's game, you'd know he rarely got off a shot on the perimeter without having to fight off multiple screens constantly just to get off a shot.

A guy like James Harden can get off a shot literally any time he feels like it. And he takes full advantage of that fact.

[Monta Ellis MVP]

Guys, Jordan hasn't been a factor in the league for close to 20 years now. It's starting to get sad, not CavsFTW sad, but pretty sad.

Curry is the new GOAT in this advanced new age of basketball.

[juju151111]

Mark price took 5.1 3s per game in 90 and hit 40% of them. Mark proce isn't on Curry level has a 3 point shooter. In fact nobody in history is.

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budadiii detected

[catch24]

Steph Curry = Smaller Dell Curry in much more optimal conditions... hence the MVP. There is no other era in NBA History where a Steph Curry wins MVP. Maybe the shitty early 00s if he played in the East, but even that's a stretch.

Stephen Curry isn't just a 3PT shooter. The guy can create his own offense, and is a MUCH better shooter from inside the 3PT line. His impact according to the data is up there with the greats.

Dude would be one of the best offensive players in the 90s, right there with Shaq and Jordan. Saying he's Dell Curry is like saying Kobe is Joe Jelly Bean. In other words, it doesn't make sense.

[DonDadda59]

3pt attempts were always increasing don

The shortening of the 3pt line just accelerated this

So you agree in this case that rule changes that made it more optimal for players to take 3s was the reason that attempts skyrocketed... But when the league makes more rule changes that freed up perimeter shooters and 3 pt attempts skyrocketed again... Rule changes had nothing to do with it?

Excellent logic, you're doing good work here. :applause:

[LoneyROY7]

How do you figure? Jordan was never a 3-pt shooter, so he really doesn't fit into this argument.

The reason Steph gets off the number of 3s he does is the same reason James Harden (another fraud who is simply a product of his times, we can all agree) gets off the number of 3s he does.

Dude...you literally said Steph is a 'smaller Dell Curry in a more optimal environment'.

Do you understand how stupid that is?

Did Dell Curry have the absurd handles Steph does? Did Dell Curry have the vision Steph does? Could Dell Curry pass like Steph does? Could Dell Curry shoot off the dribble and off-balance like Steph does?

Now, please retract your moronic statement.

[juju151111]

How do you figure? Jordan was never a 3-pt shooter, so he really doesn't fit into this argument.

The reason Steph gets off the number of 3s he does is the same reason James Harden (another fraud who is simply a product of his times, we can all agree) gets off the number of 3s he does.



And if you knew anything about Reggie's game, you'd know he rarely got off a shot on the perimeter without having to fight off multiple screens constantly just to get off a shot.

A guy like James Harden can get off a shot literally any time he feels like it. And he takes full advantage of that fact.
Curry runs off screens too to get open and Reggie didn't have the handle Curry has or the quick release. Another thing Curry is a better 3 point shooter then Reggie
He blows anybody in history out the water. Mark price averged 5 3 pointers in 90 and hit it at 40% rate. Lol at Mark price being better then Curry :roll:

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3s are a necessity now that Illegal defense was removed. Before, spacing was rule enforced, and guaranteed via the legislation. Today to achieve that same spacing, you need to use shooters. AKA Shooting encouraged spacing. Not legislated in the rule books.

[ArbitraryWater]

If you truly believe that, you should be locked up in an insane asylum. You'll fit in right there with 3ball.

second this.. Curry is doing quite historic things

[TrueBlue89]

How do you figure? Jordan was never a 3-pt shooter, so he really doesn't fit into this argument.

The reason Steph gets off the number of 3s he does is the same reason James Harden (another fraud who is simply a product of his times, we can all agree) gets off the number of 3s he does.



And if you knew anything about Reggie's game, you'd know he rarely got off a shot on the perimeter without having to fight off multiple screens constantly just to get off a shot.

A guy like James Harden can get off a shot literally any time he feels like it. And he takes full advantage of that fact.

This is the dumbest argument of all time. Harden can get any shot he wants because he's significantly more talented than Miller ever was. Reggie couldn't create off the dribble which is why he ran of screens you moron.

[juju151111]

Damn Don disappointed in you. If you can look at Curry and Dell and think they have equal talent idk what to say to you, but you being bias has hell.

[LoneyROY7]

This dude REALLY said Steph is a 'smaller Dell Curry in a more optimal environment'.

That might be the dumbest thing I've ever read on here. And shit there's a lot of competition.

[GIF REACTION]

DumDadda myth #345: High volume 3pt shooters who get a lot of free throws didn't exist in the 90's

WRONG

Michael Adams took 8 threes a game and got 8 fts a game.... And he wasn't even an elite player

[catch24]

This dude REALLY said Steph is a 'smaller Dell Curry in a more optimal environment'.

That might be the dumbest thing I've ever read on here. And shit there's a lot of competition.

Its not "one of". It's THE dumbest thing ever said on here.

Not sure Don believes it though. He's definitely smarter than that.

[DonDadda59]

3s are a necessity now that Illegal defense was removed. Before, spacing was rule enforced, and guaranteed via the legislation. Today to achieve that same spacing, you need to use shooters. AKA Shooting encouraged spacing. Not legislated in the rule books.

'98-'05 change in 3PA: 13-16 (Illegal D eliminated in '01)

'05-'14 change in 3PA: 16-23 (hand-checking removed completely in '05)

You can't admit that the NBA making it illegal to touch perimeter guys, thus giving them space to get off shots had at least some effect on how said perimeter players get their shots/points? :confusedshrug:

[jlip]

DonDadda59, just take the L and move on from this thread.

[juju151111]

DumDadda myth #345: High volume 3pt shooters who get a lot of free throws didn't exist in the 90's

WRONG

Michael Adams took 8 threes a game and got 8 fts a game.... And he wasn't even an elite player
You say more ridiculous shit then Don does. But i agree with you thos time. Rules will arffect superstars some, but no way is a superstar going to just become a scrub because some years has pass. The only one i can say that would happen too but more pronounced is James Ft Harden. I can see him struggle with handchecking and physical defense alot.

[GIF REACTION]

It wasn't until 2008 that teams took advantage of the 01 illegal defense removal. I've told you this MULTIPLE times don

[Hey Yo]

3pt attempts were always increasing don

The shortening of the 3pt line just accelerated this
I'm sure it was just mere coincidence that the line was shortened to where MJ's long range 2pt abilities stopped.

"please comeback, Michael"

[juju151111]

'98-'05 change in 3PA: 13-16 (Illegal D eliminated in '01)

'05-'14 change in 3PA: 16-23 (hand-checking removed completely in '05)

You can't admit that the NBA making it illegal to touch perimeter guys, thus giving them space to get off shots had at least some effect on how said perimeter players get their shots/points? :confusedshrug:
Is mark proce better then Curry? Simple question

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sbNation made a video about this the other day

[DonDadda59]

DonDadda59, just take the L and move on from this thread.

As soon as someone gives me an educated and detailed explanation for why they think 3 point shooting seemingly rises by the largest increments following league rule changes. Even ImStillSnitcing admitted that the league changing rules to make 3-pt shooting more attractive in the mid 90s led to the single biggest increase from season to season in attempts. That's basic common sense- if it's easier to get a certain shot that leads to more points, players are going to take that shot. if it's a more difficult shot and not optimal, players/coaches will go another route.

As the league eliminated physical play on the perimeter, perimeter players (and even bigs who traditionally stayed closer to the basket) started taking more shots from 3... to the point where some guys are taking 40-50% of their shots from that distance.

Do you believe this is purely a coincidence? :confusedshrug:

[juju151111]

It wasn't until 2008 that teams took advantage of the 01 illegal defense removal. I've told you this MULTIPLE times don
That makes no sense. They took advantage immediately. Shit some 90s Players started playing better in 00.

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http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/10/29/9634626/demarcus-cousins-highlights-three-pointers-kings-clippers

Watch the video at the bottom donald

Spread those buttcheeks

[GIF REACTION]

That makes no sense. They took advantage immediately. Shit some 90s Players started playing better in 00.
Are you calling Zach Lowe and Henry Abbott idiots?

You don't know what you're talking about

Be quiet

Big boys are talking

[kshutts1]

Of course it's not coincidence that attempts go up, league-wide, when rules change making that shot easier to get off and thus easier to make, making it more efficient. Teams would be stupid to not utilize that increased efficiency.

That said, while Steph Curry is probably most well-known for his 3s, that does not mean he would be less-than-great without it. That's not all he is.

Similar to how MJ/Dr. J/Griffin are known for their athletic play and high-flying dunks... but if the league outlawed dunking, they would not suddenly be bad players.

[juju151111]

As soon as someone gives me an educated and detailed explanation for why they think 3 point shooting seemingly rises by the largest increments following league rule changes. Even ImStillSnitcing admitted that the league changing rules to make 3-pt shooting more attractive in the mid 90s led to the single biggest increase from season to season in attempts. That's basic common sense- if it's easier to get a certain shot that leads to more points, players are going to take that shot. if it's a more difficult shot and not optimal, players/coaches will go another route.

As the league eliminated physical play on the perimeter, perimeter players (and even bigs who traditionally stayed closer to the basket) started taking more shots from 3... to the point where some guys are taking 40-50% of their shots from that distance.

Do you believe this is purely a coincidence? :confusedshrug:
Doesn't matter when it got popular some people did do it through. Little ass mark price who doesn't have the handle or release Curry has. Slow ass mark price who has a quick cross shot 40% from three and made many look stupid doing it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sua9u318wGo Very similar to Curry game other then the fact Curry has a better handle and quicker release

[tpols]

We already know that MJ benefits from the dunk shot more than any player in the history of the league - this is statistical fact..

Furthermore, the extra intimidation factor he gets from dunks enhances his shooting ability - defenders must play him looser to avoid him getting an extra dunk on his shots.. But if you removed the dunking, guys could sag off and let him shoot 3's all day.

And in general, GOAT 3 point shooting requires more skill and finesse to render defenders useless, especially with today's much more sophisticated hybrid zone defenses, which is why Jordan would likely be comparable to such players with similar one dimensional dunking styles like James White, Gerald Green etc. today

[juju151111]

Are you calling Zach Lowe and Henry Abbott idiots?

You don't know what you're talking about

Be quiet

Big boys are talking
Yes im calling you and them idiots if they said that.

[tmacattack33]

We already know that MJ benefits from the dunk shot more than any player in the history of the league - this is statistical fact..

Furthermore, the extra intimidation factor he gets from dunks enhances his shooting ability - defenders must play him looser to avoid him getting an extra dunk on his shots.. But if you removed the dunking, guys could sag off and let him shoot 3's all day.

And in general, GOAT 3 point shooting requires more skill and finesse to render defenders useless, especially with today's much more sophisticated hybrid zone defenses, which is why Jordan wouldn't be nearly as good scorer as players with similar one dimensional dunking styles like James White, Gerald Green etc.

:applause:

Exactly.

Just give the OP a taste of his own medicine...give him an illogical argument.

I will try now:



MJ wouldn't have been shit if shots from the paint were not allowed in basketball. If defenders didn't have to worry about MJ driving, they could have played him very tightly and not allowed his mid range game to hurt them much. He would then be easily shut down by any average defender.

Meanwhile, guards with better long range shooting ability than MJ (and there were many of them) would have been better players than MJ.

[juju151111]

We already know that MJ benefits from the dunk shot more than any player in the history of the league - this is statistical fact..

Furthermore, the extra intimidation factor he gets from dunks enhances his shooting ability - defenders must play him looser to avoid him getting an extra dunk on his shots.. But if you removed the dunking, guys could sag off and let him shoot 3's all day.

And in general, GOAT 3 point shooting requires more skill and finesse to render defenders useless, especially with today's much more sophisticated hybrid zone defenses, which is why Jordan would likely be comparable to such players with similar one dimensional dunking styles like James White, Gerald Green etc. today
Mj dominates any era. Greatest player ever.

[DonDadda59]

Realistically, what is a defender's options for stopping a Steph Curry or a James Harden from getting any shot they want from 3?

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/4-08-2015/Vbg-am.gif

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/4-08-2015/4-Zuby.gif

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/4-08-2015/_EMbS6.gif

Looks like they have all the space in the world to dribble up, measure and take a shot literally whenever they feel like it (and they do). All the defender can do is just wave bye to the ball.

There really is no way to affect a shooter today, and shooters know it.

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Yes im calling you and them idiots if they said that.
[QUOTE]The Zone Defense

Teams will only use the rule changes to their advantage when they see the advantage. The big one where they see a potential advantage is the elimination of illegal defense. The league saw this selective adaptation to new rules when they implemented the 3-point line in 1979-80. The teams that initially used it were the ones that had the old ABA 3-point shooting holdovers like Rick Barry, Brian Taylor, and John Roche. It really made only a small improvement in league offensive efficiency because just a few teams took to it.

In contrast, NBA coaches and players are more ready now to make a transition to a zone defense than they were to transition to a 3-point line in 1979. Many NBA coaches have zone experience in their background or have assistants/scouts with that experience. All players with college experience have seen or played in a zone. A zone won

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Rule Enforced Spacing
Rule Enforced Spacing relates to the offensive floor spacing teams achieved during the Illegal Defense period (1981-2001)

1981 - Illegal Defense Guidelines put in place to increase scoring and open up the paint
Passage from Bill Simmons' (Globally known NBA analyst, well respected publically) book

The new wave of coaches made defenses sophisticated enough by 1981 that the league created an “illegal defense” rule to open up the paint. Here’s how referee Ed Rush explained it to SI: “We were becoming a jump-shot league, so we went to the coaches and said, ‘You’ve screwed the game with all your great defenses. Now fix it.’ And they did. The new rule will open up the middle and give the great players room to move. People like Julius Erving and David Thompson who used to beat their own defensive man and then still have to pull up for a jump shot because they were being double-teamed, should have an extra four or five feet to move around in. And that’s all those guys need.”

Effect:
1979 league average offensive rating: 103.8

1981-82
• Zone defense rules clarified with new rules for Illegal Defensive Alignments.
a. Weak side defenders may come in the pro lane (16’), but not in the college lane (12’) for more than three seconds. (THIS IS THE CURRENT 3 seconds rule)
b. Defender on post player is allowed in defensive three-second area (A post player is any player adjacent to paint area).
c. Player without ball may not be double-teamed from weak side.
d. Offensive player above foul line and inside circle must be played by defender inside dotted line.
e. If offensive player is above the top of the circle, defender must come to a position above foul line.
f. Defender on cutter must follow the cutter, switch, or double-team the ball.

1982: League average offensive rating 106.9

The Illegal Defense Guidelines allowed teams to achieve spacing by simple positioning on the court and not actual shooting ability. The rules allowed them to do so. Today we know the value that the 3 point shot has with regards to opening the lane to the rim, yet in the 80's and 90's (before they shortened the 3pt line) the league average ranged from 2 3pters a game, to 10. How were these teams able to be such efficient offenses without having shooters to spread the half court? The Rules enforced, allowed them to do so... Commonly known as the ISO, or Clear-out, that commentators would mention at the time.

DUE TO THE NATURE OF THE SPACING, THIS MADE THESE PLAYS EFFICIENT AND LEGITIMATE AS A CONSISTENT MEANS OF SCORING

http://i.imgur.com/UZg8H99.gif
Barkley is allowed easy post position and entry due to section C of the Illegal Defense Guidelines (CANNOT DOUBLE SOMEONE OFF-BALL) and has the lane open to work his post moves, as his team mates are situated in a spread manner, kind of like today where shooters hang at the 3pt line to space the floor, except these guys are not 3pt shooters... Simply providing positioning to achieve appropriate spacing for Barkley. Charles has enough time to get into a favorable turnaround jumper, before the hard double can get there. Defenders on the weak side are sagging off slightly, which could be considered a phantom zone, which was the topic of conversation during the Illegal Defense era.

http://i.imgur.com/AcHHb0N.gif
Barkley iso's on the strong side, as his team mates clear to the weak side to open up the floor. The center in the middle gets caught out and if not for Barkley's quick shot attempt, would have been called for Illegal defense. You can see the attention that the defenders are paying to Barkley's teammates flooding the weak side to open the floor for Barkley's ISO. This is kind of messy but it provides the opportunity and spacing via Illegal defense rules, for Barkley to capitalize on the smaller opponent.

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David Robinson has the floor open because his teammates are situated in a very modern 3pt shooting style spread. Make it known that, they are NOT 3pt threats nor was it used as such weapon during this time period. The spacing is provided by the Illegal defense rules. Once again we see the weakside defenders sagging off a little, playing a phantom zone, but it really has minimal effect on Robinson, as he is able to comfortably get to his spot and hit a nice 10 foot jumper over the smaller opponent.

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Robinson is allowed easy post position and entry due to section C of the Illegal Defense Guidelines (CANNOT DOUBLE SOMEONE OFF-BALL) and has the lane open to work his post moves, as his team mates are situated in a spread manner, kind of like today where shooters hang at the 3pt line to space the floor, except these guys are not 3pt shooters... Simply providing positioning to achieve appropriate spacing for Robinson. David has enough time to get into a favorable point blank dropstep basket, before the hard double can get there. Defenders on the weak side are sagging off slightly, which could be considered a phantom zone, which was the topic of conversation during the Illegal Defense era.

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Robinson isolates on the right wing, while his team mates situate towards to perimeter, to facitilate and provide adequate spacing for Robinson. 2 above the key and the other 2 at the corner 3. A quick mobile athlete like Robinson is able to capitalize and beat the hard double team and finish at the hoop strong. Robinson's spaced out team mates are not all 3pt shooters, the Illegal defense rules allow them to position themselves to create the space required for the Robinson ISO drive to the hoop.

[Monta Ellis MVP]

Realistically, what is a defender's options for stopping a Steph Curry or a James Harden from getting any shot they want from 3?

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Looks like they have all the space in the world to dribble up, measure and take a shot literally whenever they feel like it (and they do). All the defender can do is just wave bye to the ball.

There really is no way to affect a shooter today, and shooters know it.

Hand-check Steph Curry from 30 feet out and tell me how it works out for you.

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Shooting Encouraged Spacing
Shooting Encouraged Spacing refers to the offensive floor spreading, occurring after Illegal Defense was removed in 2001. "Encouraged" implies that it is not mandatory, or enforced, to space the floor. Whereas with Rule Enforced Spacing, failure to spread the court with accordance to the Illegal Defense Guidelines, results in a technical and eventual free throws.

2001 - Removal of Illegal Defense Guidelines
Purpose: To encourage ball movement and team play through giving defenses more freedom to defend, particularly help defense from the weak side, which was extremely restricted from 1981-2001 with the Illegal defense guideline in place

(Up coming quotes are from some of the most renowned and well respected NBA analysts and writers on the Earth today. Earning the big bucks because they are the best at what they do... Including ESPN's Henry Abbott, and Grantland's Zach Lowe)


“Getting to the hole is getting harder and harder,” says Chicago’s Carlos Boozer


“A lot of the defensive strategies you see now are a natural evolution from rule changes,” says Houston GM Daryl Morey, in reference to the league’s decision a decade ago to abandon illegal defense rules and essentially allow zone defenses. “First the defense evolved by overloading the strong side, and now the offenses are evolving to beat that.”


“The league has gotten so different today,” (Jim) Boylan says. “You just have to move the ball from one side to the other against the really good defensive teams.”

Isolation and Post up plays are much easier to defend now compared to the Illegal Defense era. Offenses have had to adjust to the modern, strong side flooding defenses, which require full court use, putting a premium on shooting ability enforced spacing (Not rule enforced spacing), passing and movement.


The league overall understands this, though some coaching staffs have been quicker than others in adjusting their systems. The percentage of offensive possessions that end with isolation plays and post-up shots has declined every season for the last five years, per Synergy Sports. In 2008-09, the year after the Celtics used a Thibodeau-designed system to create one of the stingiest defenses ever, 27 of the league’s 30 teams still finished at least 9 percent of their offensive possessions via an isolation play, according to Synergy Sports. The Magic, at 7.4 percent, were the least isolation-prone team in the league that season.3 This season, 15 teams — half the league — are below that 9 percent isolation mark, and a whopping 11 have lower isolation shares than Milwaukee’s league-low number from 2008-09. The drop in post-ups has been similar, and the numbers would seem to indicate an increase in ball movement.

Conversely, this has had an effect on the specifics of personnel scoring, not necessarily team scoring output. Elite scorer numbers are down across the board, and this is in direct effect due to advanced defenses thanks to the removal of Illegal defense. With post ups and isolation plays being able to be defended much better, more ball movement and clever schemes are required for these elite scorers to hit the box score.


Thorpe explains it best in the video, but the gist is this: In recent years more and more NBA coaches have signed up for the defensive philosophy, popularized by Tom Thibodeau since 2007-08, of "flooding ball-side box."

This is not the same as double-teaming, but it has some similarities. When the ball is on one side of the court, watch for this: Very often an extra defender sneaks over to join the action, bringing a crowd of defenders closer to the ball. It's something that became legal when the NBA began allowing zone defenses in 2001, but it took until 2008 for coaches to really figure out how to take best advantage.

That's when the big-time gunners started to disappear.

Flooding the side of the court with the ball makes everything tougher for that star scorer, starting when he makes the catch and assesses options. Driving lanes are tighter or closed off entirely. More defenders have more ability to get hands in faces. It's difficult to reach favored spots on the court, and to operate once there.


That's all happening. Stars putting up big numbers are incredibly hard to find this season compared to five years ago, but overall team scoring is down only about two points per game -- the non-star scorers must be picking up a little slack.

And as for assists, in 1985-86, the 10 players who played the longest minutes in the season's first 36 games combined for 1,308 assists. Five years ago, that number was 1,482. This year it's all the way up to 1,768.

David Thorpe

Now, when you beat that first line of defense, you’ve got four dudes very often sitting, waiting for you on ball-side …You might have three, four, even five defenders on that ball-side box. That wasn’t the case when Jordan played … You couldn’t go anywhere near a ball-side box back then. There were great teams like Chuck Daly’s Pistons and Pat Riley’s Lakers that devised “zone,” so to speak, to kind of flood the ball more, but it was nothing, Henry [Abbott of ESPN], like it is today. The teeth of the defense today is much sharper, and there’s many more teeth then there was back when Jordan played,

George Karl on how the rule changes have made post ups inefficient

“The game is getting out of balance,” says George Karl, now coaching perhaps the league’s preeminent post-up brute. “But until we figure out a way to make the post-up more efficient, we’re not going back. You just can’t win throwing the ball into the post 60 times per game.”


Referees let point guards flit around unfettered, but the paint remains a war zone where brutality can trump skill. Legalized zone frees help defenders to sandwich dangerous post-up threats. “The reason the post-up doesn't work anymore is that teams just front now,” Karl says. Help defenders can drift from their assignments to prevent a lob pass over that front, forcing the defense to whip the ball elsewhere.


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Dwight post up to face up drive to the hoop from the low post, while Steve Nash, Kobe, MWP, and Antwan Jamison spread the court with their 3 point shooting. Jameer sags off MWP and attempts to swipe the ball from Dwight. This would be an illegal defense in the 90's because it would be considered a double, but it was not a hard double, very much slow and awarely trying to zone and cover space. Dwight finishes strong with the nifty left hook.

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Blake works in the low post. The strong side and rim is spaced due to having elite 3pt shooters Chris Paul and JJ Reddick at the top of the key, and Matt Barnes in the weakside corner 3. Deandre is baseline, creating a threat with his lob ability, so his defender has to keep contact and respect his offensive threat. This allows Blake to work his way in the post and get a great spin right hand hook shot. Also, noticed how Curry is jumping back and forth, trying to softly double and annoy Blake while being ready for pass out to Paul at the 3 line. This would be considered a clear illegal defense in the Rule Enforced Spacing era.

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Lebron ISO drives to the rim for the AND1 while he has the floor spaced with Mozgov at the top, ready for an 18 footer which he can hit well, Delly and Shump at the 3, spacing the weakside, and Thompson spacing weakside baseline with his Lob ability, similar to Deandre Jordan.

[juju151111]

Realistically, what is a defender's options for stopping a Steph Curry or a James Harden from getting any shot they want from 3?

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Looks like they have all the space in the world to dribble up, measure and take a shot literally whenever they feel like it (and they do). All the defender can do is just wave bye to the ball.

There really is no way to affect a shooter today, and shooters know it.
Those are bad defenders who are scared of his driving more then his 3. They did it to Mj too stop acting dumb like you don't know this. Go post Kawhi guarding Durant or tony allen hounding somebody. Because those guys xan move their feet so well they can be up on the 3 and still stop the drives. You still didn't answer the question. Is mark price better then Curry.

[ShawkFactory]

Realistically, what is a defender's options for stopping a Steph Curry or a James Harden from getting any shot they want from 3?

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Looks like they have all the space in the world to dribble up, measure and take a shot literally whenever they feel like it (and they do). All the defender can do is just wave bye to the ball.

There really is no way to affect a shooter today, and shooters know it.
You're failing to mention that both Harden and Curry are exceptional ball-handlers and penetrators.

Is the 3pt freenzy great for players like Wesley Matthews, JR Smith, Wilson Chandler, etc.? Yes. Would they be worse in an era with handchecking? Who knows, but their style of play would be vastly different.

Harden and Curry are supreme talents (Curry more so). Every era as them.A shooter with the abilities of Steph is not going to be stopped in any era. At least one with a 3pt line.

[SexSymbol]

oh my god, half of the best shooter's ever attempts are 3 pointers. Surprise surprise.

[DonDadda59]

Hand-check Steph Curry from 30 feet out and tell me how it works out for you.

It would work much better than just being next to him like a practice chair and calling that 'defense'. :lol

James Harden, barring his Based God cursed start this year, is the perfect embodiment of taking advantage of the banquet the NBA has laid out for perimeter guys- chuck 3s with no one being allowed to guard you, take the ball unimpeded into an open lane and not even try to score because that whistle is going off.

Does this man even have a mid range game... If you asked him to post up would he know what you were talking about?

No. The answer is no.

Dadda Out. :cheers:


Those are bad defenders who are scared of his driving more then his 3.

Show me a few examples of good defenders actually affecting a 3-pt attempt by either Curry or Harden. I'll look at it tonight when I'm back on my interwebz steez.

Dadda logging off. :cheers:

[juju151111]

Shooting Encouraged Spacing
Shooting Encouraged Spacing refers to the offensive floor spreading, occurring after Illegal Defense was removed in 2001. "Encouraged" implies that it is not mandatory, or enforced, to space the floor. Whereas with Rule Enforced Spacing, failure to spread the court with accordance to the Illegal Defense Guidelines, results in a technical and eventual free throws.

2001 - Removal of Illegal Defense Guidelines
Purpose: To encourage ball movement and team play through giving defenses more freedom to defend, particularly help defense from the weak side, which was extremely restricted from 1981-2001 with the Illegal defense guideline in place

(Up coming quotes are from some of the most renowned and well respected NBA analysts and writers on the Earth today. Earning the big bucks because they are the best at what they do... Including ESPN's Henry Abbott, and Grantland's Zach Lowe)







Isolation and Post up plays are much easier to defend now compared to the Illegal Defense era. Offenses have had to adjust to the modern, strong side flooding defenses, which require full court use, putting a premium on shooting ability enforced spacing (Not rule enforced spacing), passing and movement.



Conversely, this has had an effect on the specifics of personnel scoring, not necessarily team scoring output. Elite scorer numbers are down across the board, and this is in direct effect due to advanced defenses thanks to the removal of Illegal defense. With post ups and isolation plays being able to be defended much better, more ball movement and clever schemes are required for these elite scorers to hit the box score.





David Thorpe


George Karl on how the rule changes have made post ups inefficient





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Dwight post up to face up drive to the hoop from the low post, while Steve Nash, Kobe, MWP, and Antwan Jamison spread the court with their 3 point shooting. Jameer sags off MWP and attempts to swipe the ball from Dwight. This would be an illegal defense in the 90's because it would be considered a double, but it was not a hard double, very much slow and awarely trying to zone and cover space. Dwight finishes strong with the nifty left hook.

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Blake works in the low post. The strong side and rim is spaced due to having elite 3pt shooters Chris Paul and JJ Reddick at the top of the key, and Matt Barnes in the weakside corner 3. Deandre is baseline, creating a threat with his lob ability, so his defender has to keep contact and respect his offensive threat. This allows Blake to work his way in the post and get a great spin right hand hook shot. Also, noticed how Curry is jumping back and forth, trying to softly double and annoy Blake while being ready for pass out to Paul at the 3 line. This would be considered a clear illegal defense in the Rule Enforced Spacing era.

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Lebron ISO drives to the rim for the AND1 while he has the floor spaced with Mozgov at the top, ready for an 18 footer which he can hit well, Delly and Shump at the 3, spacing the weakside, and Thompson spacing weakside baseline with his Lob ability, similar to Deandre Jordan.
Bro anyone can post gifs and quotes. None of that is true. Al Jefferson with no athleticism to speak of averged 20 and 10 in the post. Cousin was getting 20 and 20 games last year. The big man has just declined. Two years ago Noah was a top 3 big:roll: :roll: Would not even be top 10 in the 90s.

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Why didn't Reggie Miller's 3pt % increase in 2004-2005 don? I thought you said the hand-checking rule was the big factor here?

[sd3035]

If Jordan weren't such a garbage 3 point shooter, he may have been able to win something without Pippen

[juju151111]

It would work much better than just being next to him like a practice chair and calling that 'defense'. :lol

James Harden, barring his Based God cursed start this year, is the perfect embodiment of taking advantage of the banquet the NBA has laid out for perimeter guys- chuck 3s with no one being allowed to guard you, take the ball unimpeded into an open lane and not even try to score because that whistle is going off.

Does this man even have a mid range game... If you asked him to post up would he know what you were talking about?

No. The answer is no.

Dadda Out. :cheers:



Show me a few examples of good defenders actually affecting a 3-pt attempt by either Curry or Harden. I'll look at it tonight when I'm back on my interwebz steez.

Dadda logging off. :cheers:
Kawhi leanoard was guarding Curry last year in game and Tony allen shut KD down with his defense.

[SexSymbol]

For those who have no understanding of basketball - hand check rule has absolutely no effect on shooters.
It affects drivers to the basket more, and even then it's not much of a difference

[sd3035]

Jordan would struggle to put up 25 ppg with today's advanced defensive schemes

Curry would have easily averaged 40 During the late 80s when no defense was played

Teams averaged 10 more points per game during Jordan's prime scoring years

[DonDadda59]

Kawhi leanoard was guarding Curry last year in game and Tony allen shut KD down with his defense.

In the playoffs, where everyone and their grandmother knows they allow more physicality. You just proved my point.

Everyone was calling KD one of the GOAT scorers during the regular season, then when the playoffs start he gets turned into Mr. Unreliable by a guy the size of Joe Dumars (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Um96aNyokXc). The 7 ft Durant couldn't even get post position on him. :lol

Same with Steph. Dude loses out Finals MVP to a bench player because Matthew Dellavadova, a guy known for physicality (many say dirty play), shut his ass down for long stretches.


Why didn't Reggie Miller's 3pt % increase in 2004-2005 don? I thought you said the hand-checking rule was the big factor here?

He missed the all you can eat perimeter player buffet by just one season ('05-'06 is when they started calling handchecking in the half court)... and he was 40 years old. :lol

Check out the number of attempts Reggie was taking in the 80s, the 90s (particularly after the rule changes), and the 00s.

Coincidence?

Probably.

Dadda out for real this time. :cheers:

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But I thought hand-checking rule was made after the Lakers Pistons final?

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[DonDadda59]

But I thought hand-checking rule was made after the Lakers Pistons final?

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It was. In the early Winter of '05, around the time of the All Star Break. In the Summer, the league instructed the refs on how to institute the new changes. Then they started calling it at the start of '05-'06 season.

I don't have to tell you what happened. :crazysam:

Out.

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Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeealllllllllllly?

Could you at least provide some documented evidence of this reinterpretation occurring?

[bdreason]

He benefits from shooting longer shots? :facepalm

[WorldWarriors]

He benefits from shooting longer shots? :facepalm

Yes. Because they are worth more points. :oldlol:

[bdreason]

Yes. Because they are worth more points. :oldlol:


He should be getting 4 points for some of these shots.

[juju151111]

In the playoffs, where everyone and their grandmother knows they allow more physicality. You just proved my point.

Everyone was calling KD one of the GOAT scorers during the regular season, then when the playoffs start he gets turned into Mr. Unreliable by a guy the size of Joe Dumars (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Um96aNyokXc). The 7 ft Durant couldn't even get post position on him. :lol

Same with Steph. Dude loses out Finals MVP to a bench player because Matthew Dellavadova, a guy known for physicality (many say dirty play), shut his ass down for long stretches.



He missed the all you can eat perimeter player buffet by just one season ('05-'06 is when they started calling handchecking in the half court)... and he was 40 years old. :lol

Check out the number of attempts Reggie was taking in the 80s, the 90s (particularly after the rule changes), and the 00s.

Coincidence?

Probably.

Dadda out for real this time. :cheers:
Huh Delly didn't shut anyone down. Curry missed shots he was making the whole playoffs. Everybody has bad games even Mj. Most of the series Curry killed Delly. Killed them again in the first game this season. Ohh they allow more physically in the playoffs huh. So why did Curry shoot 40%. Pls and Tony always gives Durant trouble playoffs and not. I don't think its even Tony. Durant seems to have a problem with smaller players who get into his body. Even cp3 did it. What does Iggy winnong Fmvp has do with anything?

[juju151111]

Don is mark price bettthen steph

[HurricaneKid]

We already know that Curry benefits from the 3-point shot more than any player in the history of the league - this is statistical fact..

Furthermore, the extra point he gets from 3-pointers enhances his penetration ability - defenders must play him tighter to avoid him getting an extra point on his shots.. But if you removed the 3-point line, guys could sag off and let him shoot 2's all day.

And in general, 2-point scoring requires more physicality and ability to overpower defenders, especially with legal hand-checking, which is why Curry wouldn't be nearly as good 2-point scorer as players with similar gunning styles like Gervin, World B Free or Maravich.

The best shooter ever benefits from the 3 point shot? You thought this was threadworthy?

[HurricaneKid]

Bro anyone can post gifs and quotes. None of that is true. Al Jefferson with no athleticism to speak of averged 20 and 10 in the post. Cousin was getting 20 and 20 games last year. The big man has just declined. Two years ago Noah was a top 3 big:roll: :roll: Would not even be top 10 in the 90s.

Dumb thing to say. The points/possession for postups is so low even the best post players are crap compared to mediocre offenses.

You used Al Jeff as an example. Well, relying on his post game led to them being the #28/30 offense last year.

[3ball]

The best shooter ever benefits from the 3 point shot? You thought this was threadworthy?
The point is actually that there were a lot of really awesome TWO-point shooters in previous eras - guys like Maravich or World B Free.. Otoh, Curry is great in this era because he shoots that awesomely from 3-point range - he shoots as well as from 3-point range as Maravich and World B Free shot from 2-point range..

But what good is that in their era when there was no 3-point line?... So the question becomes: is Curry as good a 2-point shotmaker as these guys - because if not, he wouldn't be as good as Maravich or Free in previous eras without the 3-point line...

And as it turns out, Maravich, Free, and a slew of other guys were BETTER 2-point shot makers than Curry, so Curry would be ranked below them in previous eras - this makes sense, since we already know that the current era is the only era where Curry is a top 5 player.
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[juju151111]

Dumb thing to say. The points/possession for postups is so low even the best post players are crap compared to mediocre offenses.

You used Al Jeff as an example. Well, relying on his post game led to them being the #28/30 offense last year.
His team led him to that and i wasn't defending him. Al Jefferson is garbage to the 90s Bigs too. You still need a team or system. Post up players can still work. Cousins,Davis last year,al Harford,Duncan. The new era seems good because a group of new post up players have entered the league.

[ShaqTwizzle]

Jordan wishes he could hit six 3pt shots a game on nearly 50% shooting.

3pt defense in earlier eras sucked so Curry would be even more dangerous in the 90's in that respect.
Not like guys like Miller and Ellis weren't already taking advantage back then.

GOAT shooting ability and great handles will be incredibly valuable & effective skill in any era from the 50's until now.

Plus can you imagine Curry with the shortened 3pt line?
Or being given wide open 3pt shots like Jordan in the 92 Finals?
He'd turn the Jordan era into the Curry era.

:yaohappy:

[3ball]

Jordan wishes he could hit six 3pt shots a game on nearly 50% shooting.


Literally half of Curry's shots are 3-pointers, so to evaluate how he would do in eras that didn't have a 3-point line, we have to compare his 2-point shotmaking ability to others in those eras.

As it turns out, Curry would rank as the 1,031st best 2-point shotmaker in previous eras, so he would be much worse player than today, where he's the best player in the league.. Today's spaced-out, 3-point friendly league is the only era where Curry would be a top player... #realtalk

[3ball]

Literally half of Curry's shots are 3-pointers, so to evaluate how he would do in eras that didn't have a 3-point line, we have to compare his 2-point shotmaking ability to others in those eras.

As it turns out, Curry would rank as the 1,031st best 2-point shotmaker in previous eras, so he would be much worse player than today, where he's the best player in the league.. Today's spaced-out, 3-point friendly league is the only era where Curry would be a top player... #realtalk


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[LakersForlife]

like i said curry new generation of superstar. hes super superstar a level above lebron. the nba cant adpt to currys play:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

[3ball]

Literally half of Curry's shots are 3-pointers, so to evaluate how he would do in eras that didn't have a 3-point line, we have to compare his 2-point shotmaking ability to others in those eras.

As it turns out, Curry would rank as the 1,031st best 2-point shotmaker in previous eras, so he would be much worse player than today, where he's the best player in the league.. Today's spaced-out, 3-point friendly league is the only era where Curry would be a top player... #realtalk



Apparently, ShaqTwizzle wants no part of this ^^^^, so


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[PistonsFan#21]

Literally half of Curry's shots are 3-pointers, so to evaluate how he would do in eras that didn't have a 3-point line, we have to compare his 2-point shotmaking ability to others in those eras.

As it turns out, Curry would rank as the 1,031st best 2-point shotmaker in previous eras, so he would be much worse player than today, where he's the best player in the league.. Today's spaced-out, 3-point friendly league is the only era where Curry would be a top player... #realtalk

what do you define as best? You think there is over 1000 players in previous eras better than Curry on 2 point shots?

[Naero]

If Jordan weren't such a garbage 3 point shooter, he may have been able to win something without Pippen

In a vacuum, that may be true

[3ball]

what do you define as best? You think there is over 1000 players in previous eras better than Curry on 2 point shots?
ok, maybe not the 1031st.... Maybe the 879th...

the point is that his 2-point shooting ability is nowhere near elite, so he'd be nowhere near elite in previous eras that only shot 2-pointers.. again, today's spaced-out, 3-point friendly league is the only era where Curry would be a top player.

[LakersForlife]

have you seen the way white guys play with no 3pt line back in the 70's or what prehistoric year that is lmao theres one gif where one guy fell in to his knees when the ball handler just did a simple change of direction. basketball back then was slow AF. Curry would average 60 on those turtle boys

[PistonsFan#21]

ok, maybe not the 1031st.... Maybe the 879th...

the point is that his 2-point shooting ability is nowhere near elite, so he'd be nowhere near elite in previous eras that only shot 2-pointers.. again, today's spaced-out, 3-point friendly league is the only era where Curry would be a top player.

if there was no 3 point line then how would it stop him from shooting and making long 2s? Past eras never had to cover a man so tight 25 feet away from the rim they wouldnt know how to deal with him. Or are you saying that previous eras were so much better that Curry wouldnt even be able to get a shot off?

[SugarHill]

Jordan stans moving from Lebron to curry....already? End of an era

[ShaqTwizzle]

Literally half of Curry's shots are 3-pointers, so to evaluate how he would do in eras that didn't have a 3-point line, we have to compare his 2-point shotmaking ability to others in those eras.


But the 3pt line did exist during Jordan's entire era.


As it turns out, Curry would rank as the 1,031st best 2-point shotmaker in previous eras.

Really?
Curry last year shot 53% on 2pt shots.

Jordan was below that mark in 10/15 years and was only above it by a meager 1-2% in 4/15 years.

I don't know how you got that 1031 number but I am pretty certain it is just wrong.

[Cali Syndicate]

Curry :rockon:

Some of y'all be sucking way too many lemons. Steph is light years better than his dad - better shooter and just as good off the ball already make him a better version. Now add elite handles, insane off the dribble shooting ability, craftiness around the paint, upper tier vision and Nash-like ambidextrous passing....

Basically every perimeter benefits from some of today's style of play but at the same time can make it more difficult as well without having some specific skill sets. Just like it was harder in the 90s with hand checking but made it easier at the same time to get players like mj in position due to illegal defense. I'm sure under today's rules top talents like mj would have no problems really adjusting but to think curry would be some 15ppg at his peak is a garbage thought. Would he be mvp caliber? Maybe, maybe not....who knows? Not anybody, that's who.

Some got myths surrounding curry too...like that he's injury-prone, or that delly shut him down, it's like y'all don't even watch him but want to talk shit. I guess that's the mark of a plAyer doing great things.

And lol at anyone that would take Reggie Miller over curry.

[3ball]

if there was no 3 point line then how would it stop him from shooting and making long 2s? Past eras never had to cover a man so tight 25 feet away from the rim they wouldnt know how to deal with him.


So wait - if we take away the most efficient shot in basketball (a Curry 3-pointer), and replace it with the lowest efficiency shot in basketball (a long 2), Curry won't be a far worse player?

Not only will he average 6 ppg less when you convert his 3-point makes to 2's, but now his penetration ability is hurt, because the defender always has the option of sagging off and letting Curry take a long 2, the worst shot in basketball.

[3ball]

Curry last year shot 53% on 2pt shots.

I don't know how you got that 1031 number but I am pretty certain it is just wrong.


You're including his at-rim percentage...

His midrange percentage - which is everything other than at-rim or 3-pointer - was only 43%, which is about 681st all time.. And when you combine that with his 2059th ranked at-rim ability, you arrive at Curry being the 1031st all time 2-point shooter.. :confusedshrug:

[plowking]

And if you knew anything about Reggie's game, you'd know he rarely got off a shot on the perimeter without having to fight off multiple screens constantly just to get off a shot.

A guy like James Harden can get off a shot literally any time he feels like it. And he takes full advantage of that fact.

Could that be possibly due to Reggie not being able to drive for shit? Or being a mediocre dribbler?

How about Harden having one of the best dribble penetration games in the league?

Basketball is better now bro. You just need to accept it. You'll sound like all the other old timers on here soon. It really is no coincidence you only hype up the era you watched. :oldlol:

[dhsilv]

So wait - if we take away the most efficient shot in basketball (a Curry 3-pointer), and replace it with the lowest efficiency shot in basketball (a long 2), Curry won't be a far worse player?

Not only will he average 6 ppg less when you convert his 3-point makes to 2's, but now his penetration ability is hurt, because the defender always has the option of sagging off and letting Curry take a long 2, the worst shot in basketball.

Curry would likely not shoot from the same distances, thus increasing his accuracy since we're compounding with this players walking about.

Add in he'd be playing against Jerry West as the elite defender against him. I think he'd do pretty well if we put him back in the 60's. Plus the pace would be what 120?

*I hate myself every time I engage with 3ball, but he's lack crack. It's bad for you, but you just want that hit of making fun of absurdity*

[atljonesbro]

When you think you finally heard it all some delusional old man says Steph is only in a smaller Dell. LMAOOOOOOOO

[plowking]

Same with Steph. Dude loses out Finals MVP to a bench player because Matthew Dellavadova, a guy known for physicality (many say dirty play), shut his ass down for long stretches.



Simple politics.

Curry was still efficient, still scored plenty, and should have been given FMVP. They simply gave it to Iggy due to the narrative of "stopping" Lebron.

At the end of the day, Payton shut down Jordan far worse, and Rodman wasn't given the FMVP for slowing down Kemp. Yet Jordan still got a FMVP despite a terrible finals performance.

Curry was the best player in the finals on the winning team.

[dhsilv]

You're including his at-rim percentage...

His midrange percentage - which is everything other than at-rim or 3-pointer - was only 43%, which is about 681st all time.. And when you combine that with his 2059th ranked at-rim ability, you arrive at Curry being the 1031st all time 2-point shooter.. :confusedshrug:

Oh please let me know where you have shot location data prior to 97!!!! PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEE

Hell give me player stat chart data prior to 2000 for that matter....

Like seriously, I'll even work with a python file which would requirement to learn more than how to write a loop in python to use!

[3ball]

Could that be possibly due to Reggie not being able to drive for shit? Or being a mediocre dribbler?

How about Harden having one of the best dribble penetration games in the league?

Basketball is better now bro. You just need to accept it. You'll sound like all the other old timers on here soon. It really is no coincidence you only hype up the era you watched. :oldlol:
It's intuitive - if we take away the most efficient shot in basketball (a Curry 3-pointer), and replace it with the lowest efficiency shot in basketball (a long 2), Curry will be a significantly worse player.

Not only will he average 6 ppg less when you convert his 3-point makes to 2's, but now his penetration ability is hurt, because the defender always has the option of sagging off and letting Curry take a long 2, the worst shot in basketball.

Basketball was just harder back then, so players had to be better 2-point shotmakers.. You just need to accept it.. Curry's 2-point shooting ability is nowhere near elite, so he'd be nowhere near elite in previous eras that only shot 2-pointers..

Today's spaced-out, 3-point friendly league is the only era where Curry would be a top player.. And even in the eras where the 3-point line existed, like the 80's and 90's, he wouldn't sniff the top 5 in those eras either, because those eras had players who were 2-point experts, and therefore more skilled than the competition that Curry faces today.
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[Cali Syndicate]

Simple politics.

Curry was still efficient, still scored plenty, and should have been given FMVP. They simply gave it to Iggy due to the narrative of "stopping" Lebron.

At the end of the day, Payton shut down Jordan far worse, and Rodman wasn't given the FMVP for slowing down Kemp. Yet Jordan still got a FMVP despite a terrible finals performance.

Curry was the best player in the finals on the winning team.

Kemp put up better numbers against the Bulls in the finals than he did in the regular season. Iggy basically kept Lebron completely ineffective outside of 10 feet. but yes, Curry deserved FMVP just like MJ did.

[3ball]

Plus the pace would be what 120?


DRtg was literally 10 points lower in the 70's... Good looks were harder to come by becuase there was no 3-point line to open up the floor.. The 10 on-court players occupied a smaller area, so shots were more contested and DRtg was much, much lower.

And Curry is a worse 2-point shotmaker than Maravich, World B Free, Gervin, and a super-ton of players that played in the 70's - Curry would be worse than all of them in that era because he's worse at the only shots they took back then: 2 pointers.

Today's spaced-out, 3-point friendly league is the only era where Curry would be a top player.. And even in the eras where the 3-point line existed, like the 80's and 90's, he wouldn't sniff the top 5 in those eras either, because those eras had players who were 2-point experts, and therefore more skilled than the competition that Curry faces today.

[dhsilv]

DRtg was literally 10 points lower in the 70's.

And Curry is a worse 2-point shotmaker than Maravich, World B Free, Gervin, and a super-ton of players that played in the 70's - Curry would be worse than all of them in that era because he's worse at the only shots they took back then: 2 pointers.

Different rules, different shot selection. Not possible to directly compare. You're making assumptions and trying to use poor logic to back into what you want.

That isn't to say Curry doesn't benefit from the 3 point shot. Just like IMO Jerry West would have been much better in the 3 point world. But woulda coulda shoulda....it's too hard to know without seeing how a player would adapt.

Curry would be every bit on par with any of those if not much better in ball handling. I don't have data on how well they finished at the rim, but Curry surprisingly is exceptional there as well. ( I say suprising because he doesn't have the athletic finishes I'd normally associate with great finshers)

Edit

The lower defensive rating in that era was due to the speed, poor shot selection, and the inflated pace. Guys were literally running up the court to shoot as fast as possible and the field goal percentages were god awful as a result. It was an interesting strategy...

[Cali Syndicate]

DRtg was literally 10 points lower in the 70's.

And Curry is a worse 2-point shotmaker than Maravich, World B Free, Gervin, and a super-ton of players that played in the 70's - Curry would be worse than all of them in that era because he's worse at the only shots they took back then: 2 pointers.

Curry 2pt fg% was 53%. What are you talking about?

[ShaqTwizzle]

You're including his at-rim percentage...

Aren't those part of 2pt shots? Why wouldn't we include them?

Curry's 10-16 foot percentages are also off the charts amazing as are his 16-3pt range percentages and even his 3-10 percentages are quite solid and better then most guard/wings from the modern era.

Reggie Miller averaged 25-ppg on 65%TS in 1990.
Could Curry really not do the same or better?

Reggie Miller in the 1992 playoffs averaged 32-ppg on 69%TS against the Knicks who were one of the best defensive teams of their time.
Could Curry not potentially do the same or better?

[Cali Syndicate]

Aren't those part of 2pt shots? Why wouldn't we include them?

Curry's 10-16 foot percentages are also off the charts amazing as are his 16-3pt range percentages and even his 3-10 percentages are quite solid and better then most guard/wings from the modern era.

Reggie Miller averaged 25-ppg on 65%TS in 1990.
Could Curry really not do the same or better?

Reggie Miller in the 1992 playoffs averaged 32-ppg on 69%TS against the Knicks who were one of the best defensive teams of their time.
Could Curry not potentially do the same or better?

I'd like to know what Maravich shot without his at rim conversions.

You know how great curry is? Lets take away his strongest facet of the game and take away all his conversions at the rim and compare to other players fg%....OMG, he doesnt compare therefore he wouldnt excel in past eras! :facepalm

[plowking]

Kemp put up better numbers against the Bulls in the finals than he did in the regular season. Iggy basically kept Lebron completely ineffective outside of 10 feet. but yes, Curry deserved FMVP just like MJ did.

Didn't Lebron put up 37/11/8 or something? On 40%, but still...

Curry deserved his FMVP more than Jordan deserved his. Yet only one got one.

[Cali Syndicate]

Didn't Lebron put up 37/11/8 or something? On 40%, but still...

Curry deserved his FMVP more than Jordan deserved his. Yet only one got one.

Lebron had an overall fantastic series and cant be blamed for the loss through his efforts by any means...but Iggy kept Lebron very very inefficient outside of the paint. To me, that's more of an impact than how Rodman defended Kemp. Although Rodman did pull an insane amount of offensive boards....but that did have a lot to do with MJ pulling defenders out of their defensive rebounding position. And looking back MJ only really had 2 bad games, similar to Curry. People read those games and think they had an overall bad series.

[bdreason]

Just because there isn't a 3 point line, doesn't mean guys wouldn't have to guard Curry for deep jumpers. You just gonna give Curry wide open 24 footers because they're only worth 2 points? Good luck with that.

[3ball]

Didn't Lebron put up 36/11/8 or something? On 40%, but still...


The 2015 playoffs were Lebron's first high volume playoffs and we saw what happened when the high volume forced him to stray from his normal diet of 3-pointers and layups - unfortunately, Lebron's efficiency is poor at the additional midrange and isolations required of high volume shooting, so he can't shoot well at high volume or require a double-team to PREVENT high volume..

At 39%, it benefited the Warriors every time he shot, so they encouraged his high volume by not double-teaming - they only double-teamed him 18 times in the entire Finals.. Compare that to MJ, where his high efficiency at high volume caused teams to double-team him 10+ times in a single quarter, as standard (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=386210) - teams couldn't afford high volume from Jordan, since it was accompanied by high efficiency too..

But the real holy grail of basketball skill is far greater than controlling pace with high volume like Lebron, or even MJ adding good efficiency to the high volume.. The real holy grail of basketball skill is good efficiency at high volume while winning championships because the high volume must be achieved within the team concept - the high volume must be achieved without diminishing teammates' statistics so the team can reach it's ceiling and be a championship team..

The only players reach the holy grail of basketball skill by shooting high volume at high efficiency while winning a championship (25+ shot attempts on 45%+ during the playoffs) were MJ (1992, 1993, 1997, and 1998) and Hakeem (1995).. As you can see, midrange is the key to goat-level skill.
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[ShaqTwizzle]

Just because there isn't a 3 point line, doesn't mean guys wouldn't have to guard Curry for deep jumpers.

Why wouldn't there be a 3 point line?
The 3pt line has been around since 1980.

Not like its some recent addition to the game.

[3ball]

Why wouldn't there be a 3 point line?
The 3pt line has been around since 1980.

Not like its some recent addition to the game.
This thread has contemplated how Curry would do BEFORE the 3-point line.

Curry is a worse 2-point shotmaker than Maravich, World B Free, Gervin, and a super-ton of players that played in the 70's - Curry would be worse than all of them in that era because he's worse at the only shots they took back then: 2 pointers.

Today's spaced-out, 3-point friendly league is the only era where Curry would be a top player.. And even in the eras where the 3-point line existed, like the 80's and 90's, he wouldn't sniff the top 5 in those eras either, because those eras had players who were 2-point experts, and therefore more skilled than the competition that Curry faces today.

[bdreason]

Why wouldn't there be a 3 point line?
The 3pt line has been around since 1980.

Not like its some recent addition to the game.


I was responding to one of 3ball's retarded theories. He seems to believe that modern floor spacing is forced because of the 3-point line, when in reality, if you can't hit 3's, the 3-point line doesn't mean shit.

[ShaqTwizzle]

Curry is a worse 2-point shotmaker than Maravich.


Curry's 2pt FG% last year = 53%
Pete's best 2pt FG% = 46%


Today's spaced-out, 3-point friendly league is the only era where Curry would be a top player.

Reggie Miller averaged 25-ppg on 65%TS in 1990.
His game was largely based on running off the ball and getting space for jumpers.
Just like Curry he was ahead of his time in terms of utilizing the 3pt shot and took more 3pt shots then anyone.
He is is still the All-Time leader in 3pt shots made despite playing the majority of his career pre-2000.

I see no reason that Curry who has arguably better shooting ability then Miller along with vastly superior handles, slashing ability, playmaking ability and just his an overall on-ball game in general wouldn't achieve high levels of success back then.

You act like Curry isn't defended well in the modern era due to spacing but his primary defenders never leave him and modern defenses allow opposing teams to trap or double/triple team him frequently on the perimeter something that WOULD NOT be allowed in the 90's or earlier.

So how you can think that Curry's 3pt shooting would be less effective back then makes no sense. It would clearly be the opposite. It would be MORE EFFECTIVE.

Thats not even mentioning the years where the line was shortened....

[PistonsFan#21]

So wait - if we take away the most efficient shot in basketball (a Curry 3-pointer), and replace it with the lowest efficiency shot in basketball (a long 2), Curry won't be a far worse player?

Not only will he average 6 ppg less when you convert his 3-point makes to 2's, but now his penetration ability is hurt, because the defender always has the option of sagging off and letting Curry take a long 2, the worst shot in basketball.

Sagging off Curry is never an option. And this long 2 rule doesnt apply to the best shooter of all time.

Curry makes over 40% from 3pt with defenders all over him, no matter if its off the dribble, catch and shoot, triple threat, etc. Try to sag off him and let him take long 2s and hes gonna make over 50% of his shots

[3ball]

Curry's 2pt FG% last year = 53%
Pete's best 2pt FG% = 46%


you have to look at overall fg% because curry's 3-pointers are now 2-pointers.. when you do that, it's 47-44 Curry, except Curry takes 6 less shots per game.. yikes..

also, 2-pointers were defended better in previous eras because those were the only shots taken, and defenders only occupied the 2-point areas (they didn't guard the 3-point line because there was no line).





Reggie Miller averaged 25-ppg on 65%TS in 1990.
His game was largely based on running off the ball and getting space for jumpers.


Miller wasn't recognized as an elite scorer, so you're making my point... I think Curry would be a Miller-level scorer in the 90's and 80's, and less in the 70's when there was no 3-point line.

Also, in the 90's, Curry wouldn't get 3-pointers by receiving the pass on a drive-and-kick - he'd have to work harder for 3-pointers by running off more screens like Miller and Bird did.

At that time, screen-rolls were used to hit the big man rolling or pick-n-pop for a long two - pnr wasn't used for drive-and-kick... Drive-and-kick didn't start being the foundation of everyone's offense until the 2005 rule changes that made penetration easier - the NBA has stated their INTENTION was to increase penetration for more drive-and-kick and 3-pointers.





You act like Curry isn't defended well in the modern era due to spacing but his primary defenders never leave him and modern defenses allow opposing teams to trap or double/triple team him frequently on the perimeter something that WOULD NOT be allowed in the 90's or earlier.


You're wrong here - previous eras were allowed to double team a ballhandler on the perimeter.. They could double-team the ball anywhere on the floor.. It's amazing ignorance that you think they couldn't.
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[3ball]

Sagging off Curry is never an option.


Again, compared to today, sagging off WAS DEFINITELY an option.. 2 points < 3 points.

And remember, we need to decrease Curry's ppg by 6 in the 70's... No 3-pointers...

[dhsilv]

Again, compared to today, sagging off WAS DEFINITELY an option.. 2 points < 3 points.

And remember, we need to decrease Curry's ppg by 6 in the 70's... No 3-pointers...

and then increase it by how much for him shooing close to the basket more often? He doesn't take those 3's if they're not worth more points. Why would he take a shot that he makes less than 50% when he can get shots he'll make 50%? Add in the additional free throws shooting closer...

[ShaqTwizzle]

Miller wasn't recognized as an elite scorer, so you're making my point.

Well going by the numbers he certainly was in 1990 during a time where you suggest Curry wouldn't be an elite scorer.

Miller in 1990 was basically tied for 6th league-wide in ppg (points per game).
Miller in 1990 was 2nd league-wide in scoring efficiency (TS%) behind Barkley.

If a young Miller was capable of all that back then why couldn't Curry achieve even greater heights?
Clearly Curry has abilities and strengths that Miller lacked with the difference in ability being quite large in certain areas (ball-handling etc...).
They are hardly clones of eachother.

[dhsilv]

Well going by the numbers he certainly was in 1990 during a time where you suggest Curry wouldn't be an elite scorer.

Miller in 1990 was basically tied for 6th league-wide in ppg (points per game).
Miller in 1990 was 2nd league-wide in scoring efficiency (TS%) behind Barkley.

If a young Miller was capable of all that back then why couldn't Curry achieve even greater heights?
Clearly Curry has abilities and strengths that Miller lacked with the difference in ability being quite large in certain areas (ball-handling etc...).
They are hardly clones of eachother.

Miller was a poor man's ray allen. Curry is on another level than both of them other than dunking (allen could dunk).

[plowking]

Curry would have made long two's even easier back then given his shooting ability. :oldlol:

[ShaqTwizzle]

Also wanted to add that while Miller was "only" 6th in PPG in 1990 there were only 2-3 guys scoring at a considerably higher clip (3+ ppg) above him.
Jordan, Malone and Ewing.

Miller was also Top 10 in playoff PPG an impressive 7 times throughout his career (including 2nd behind Jordan in 1993).

But yeah... not an elite scorer.

[ShawkFactory]

Again, compared to today, sagging off WAS DEFINITELY an option.. 2 points < 3 points.

And remember, we need to decrease Curry's ppg by 6 in the 70's... No 3-pointers...
Stop insulting the intellijence of peeple who watch basketball

[3ball]

Curry would have made long two's even easier back then given his shooting ability. :oldlol:


Curry would be much worse without a 3-point line because all those 3-pointers (half of Curry's shot attempts) would turn into long two's at 44%... Defenses have no problem giving up long 2's at 44% - that's not devastating like giving up a 3-pointer at 44% - so Curry would be a much worse player in previous eras.

Today's spaced-out, 3-point friendly league is the only era where Curry would be a top player.. He's a worse 2-point shotmaker than Maravich, World B Free, Gervin, and a super-ton of players that played in the 70's - Curry would be worse than all of them in that era because he's worse at the only shots they took back then: 2 pointers.

[plowking]

Curry would be much worse without a 3-point line because all those 3-pointers (half of Curry's shot total) would be only 2 points each.. Defenses would be giving up a long two-pointer at 44%... No big deal - defenses will gladly take that so Curry would be a much worse player in previous eras.. Today's spaced-out, 3-point friendly league is the only era where Curry would be a top player.

Curry is a worse 2-point shotmaker than Maravich, World B Free, Gervin, and a super-ton of players that played in the 70's - Curry would be worse than all of them in that era because he's worse at the only shots they took back then: 2 pointers.

So he is a 44% 3 point shooter, while being constantly double teamed, and run off the line, and pressured...

Yet...

You think he would be shooting the same clip if teams were giving him those long twos. :oldlol:
Are you actually that spastic? :oldlol:

Curry probably makes 55-60% of his 3's if he was a Kyle Korver, or later Ray Allen type player. Just running off screens and getting wide open looks from 3.

You think he gets worse when he is more open? :oldlol:

Now I get why you fill up your posts with so many words. So it takes people longer to figure out you're dumb as dogshit, and don't have a clue about basketball. :oldlol:

Too many smilies man. I was cracking up reading that dumb shit.

[Heavincent]

LOL. Steph Curry in the 90s = Dell Curry in the 90s.


Stop it dude. Just stop...for your own sake.

[Monta Ellis MVP]

Dubeta hacked Don's forum account.

[buddha]

if you removed the hoop the scoreboard would be worthless.

[3ball]

You think he would be shooting the same clip if teams were giving him those long twos.. You think he gets worse when he is more open?

Curry probably makes 55-60% of his 3's if he was a Kyle Korver, or later Ray Allen type player. Just running off screens and getting wide open looks from 3.



I don't know where you got the idea that defenses would start giving Curry open looks all of a sudden.. Your bias and delusion probably.

Curry would get the same looks he gets today, except all the three pointers (half his shots) would be long two's instead... Long two's at 44% don't hurt a defense, so he'd be a much worse player..

Short gunners that can't dominate inside end up being World B Free and Maravich-level players in the 70's, and those guys were actually better 2-point shotmakers than Curry.. But they were never considered the best player in the game or anywhere near, whereas Curry is considered that now.. Again, today's spaced-out, 3-point friendly league is the only era where Curry would be a top player.

Btw, Ray Allen, Miller and Bird were pressured and chased off the line, so I don't know where you got that either.. If Curry could somehow shoot threes at 60% instead of his current 44%, he'd do it.

[Smoke117]

We are all still waiting to see what this has to do with your Jordan dick sucking and lebron hating?

[Kovach]

Today's spaced-out, 3-point friendly league is the only era where Curry would be a top player.. And even in the eras where the 3-point line existed, like the 80's and 90's, he wouldn't sniff the top 5 in those eras either, because those eras had players who were 2-point experts, and therefore more skilled than the competition that Curry faces today.
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If Curry was born in the era without the 3-point line, he would spend his career perfecting his 2-point shot, which would ultimately lead him to become one of the 2-point experts, and one of, if not the best of them all. You know how I know that? He did it with his 3-point shot. End of story.

[3ball]

If Curry was born in the era without the 3-point line, he would spend his career perfecting his 2-point shot, which would ultimately lead him to become one of the 2-point experts, and one of, if not the best of them all. You know how I know that? He did it with his 3-point shot. End of story.


Long two's at 44% don't hurt a defense nearly as much as 3-pointers at 44%... Therefore, Curry would be a materially worse player without the 3-point line.

Essentially, without the 3-point line, half of Curry's shots go from super high efficiency to the lowest efficiency shot in the game.. :oldlol:

In the 70's, Curry would be short, 2-point gunner, like World B Free, except less strong and less athletic, so he'd be a worse 2-point shotmaker in the more congested and tougher 70's - remember, DRtg was a full 10 points lower back then, because defenses didn't have to guard any 3-point line, so they occupied a smaller surface area and had a higher concentration of defenders in the 2-point areas.

[Quickening]

Yes let's completely change the rules because Curry is currently looking more unstoppable than Peak MJ ever was :lol :oldlol:

[3ball]

Yes let's completely change the rules because Curry is currently looking more unstoppable than Peak MJ ever was :lol :oldlol:
Long two's at 44% don't hurt a defense nearly as much as 3-pointers at 44%... Therefore, Curry would be a materially worse player without the 3-point line.

Essentially, without the 3-point line, half of Curry's shots go from super high efficiency to the lowest efficiency shot in the game.. :oldlol:

In the 70's, Curry would be short, 2-point gunner, like World B Free, except less strong and less athletic, so he'd be a worse 2-point shotmaker in the more congested and tougher 70's - remember, DRtg was a full 10 points lower back then, because defenses didn't have to guard any 3-point line, so they occupied a smaller surface area and had a higher concentration of defenders in the 2-point areas.

[Kovach]

In the 70's, Curry would be short, 2-point gunner, like World B Free, except less strong and less athletic, so he'd be a worse 2-point shotmaker in the more congested and tougher 70's - remember, DRtg was a full 10 points lower back then, because defenses didn't have to guard any 3-point line, so they occupied a smaller surface area and had a higher concentration of defenders in the 2-point areas.
Except much faster, better ball handler, better passer and overall IQ, and with the quick release that matches that of Bernard King. Nobody is stopping him in the 70's.

[Monta Ellis MVP]

World B Free's Career FT%
.753

Steph Curry's Career FT%
.901

[3ball]

Except much faster, better ball handler, better passer and overall IQ, and with the quick release that matches that of Bernard King. Nobody is stopping him in the 70's.
Curry wouldn't all of a sudden start going to the hole a super-ton - he'd get the same looks he gets today, except all the three pointers (half his shots) would be long two's instead...

Long two's at 44% don't hurt a defense, so he'd be a much worse player.. And his ppg would be reduced by 6 points, since that's how many 3's he makes per game.

And Curry isn't a fraction of the 2-point scorer King was... It's unbelievable that you would even think to compare the two.. King was a far better 2-point basketball player than Curry, and would be ranked far ahead of Curry if there were no 3-point line.

[Kovach]

And Curry isn't a fraction of the 2-point scorer King was... It's unbelievable that you would even think to compare the two.. King was a far better 2-point basketball player than Curry, and would be ranked far ahead of Curry if there were no 3-point line.
Ever considered the possibility that is so because King focused on it while Curry has not, and if Curry did so for his whole career his 2-point game would have been vastly different/better? You simply can not transport a player 30-40 years back in time and compare his game to all those that played back then without any context. You are spouting inane nonsense.

[Replay32]

LOL. Steph Curry in the 90s = Dell Curry in the 90s.

There's a reason why the 3-pt shooting attempts were so low until the league started eliminating contact on the perimeter. That was no coincidence.

:coleman:

:facepalm

[WorldWarriors]

Ever considered the possibility that is so because King focused on it while Curry has not, and if Curry did so for his whole career his 2-point game would have been vastly different/better? You simply can not transport a player 30-40 years back in time and compare his game to all those that played back then without any context. You are spouting inane nonsense.
He can't help himself. Curry is a potential threat to Jordan's legacy.:oldlol:

[Crimsonrain777]

does 3ball usually copy and paste the same response to different poster comments?

[Doranku]

These Jordan stans are so f*cking clueless. :roll:

Ya'll act like Curry only has shooting going for him... yet he has some of the best handles the game has ever seen and is an elite playmaker.

You think he wouldn't adjust if there wasn't a 3 point line? :roll: Give me a break.

[HurricaneKid]

does 3ball usually copy and paste the same response to different poster comments?

Yes. All damn day.

[sd3035]

Curry is a way better shooter than Jordan ever was :bowdown:

I can see why a guy who hangs off Jordan's balls would be worked up into a frenzy over Curry :lol

[WorldWarriors]

does 3ball usually copy and paste the same response to different poster comments?
Yes and and he uses the KG reaction .gif own his own posts, lol.

[Kvnzhangyay]

These Jordan stans are so f*cking clueless. :roll:

Ya'll act like Curry only has shooting going for him... yet he has some of the best handles the game has ever seen and is an elite playmaker.

You think he wouldn't adjust if there wasn't a 3 point line? :roll: Give me a break.

This. Curry's an amazing finisher too, it's just why drive when you can drain 3s? :bowdown: :bowdown:

[WorldWarriors]

This. Curry's an amazing finisher too, it's just why drive when you can drain 3s? :bowdown: :bowdown:
:applause:

[riseagainst]

Curry > MJ, deal with it.

:rockon:

[3ball]

Except much faster, better ball handler, better passer and overall IQ, and with the quick release that matches that of Bernard King. Nobody is stopping him in the 70's.


Curry isn't faster than Free or Maravich, and King was a super athlete that shitted on guys in the lane and made shots on forwards - Curry can't make most of the shots King took.

In the 70's, Curry would get the same looks he gets today, except all the three pointers (half his shots) would be long two's instead... Long two's at 44% don't hurt a defense, so he'd be a much worse player.. Also, his shots inside 15 feet would be far better contested, since defenders didn't have to guard the 3-point line - that's why DRtg was literally 10 points lower in the 70's.

Short gunners that can't dominate inside end up being World B Free and Maravich-level players in the 70's, and those guys were actually better 2-point shotmakers than Curry.. But they were never considered the best player in the game or anywhere near, whereas Curry is considered that now.. Again, today's spaced-out, 3-point friendly league is the only era where Curry would be a top player.

[ShaqTwizzle]

Curry is a way better shooter than Jordan ever was :bowdown:


This is true.

[ShaqTwizzle]

In the 70's


Who honestly cares if he would be worse in the 70's?
Curry didn't play in the 70's.

Some players might be worse off without the 3pt shot and there is nothing wrong with that.
All eras have their differences.
Doesn't make Curry a lesser player in this era or in any era since 1980.

Wilt Chamberlain said Jordan would suck a** in the 60's and that he'd personally slap him down.
Do you believe that?

[3ball]

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Curry is a better shooter than Jordan.



:rolleyes:

Curry's midrange percentage was 41.1% in 2015, according to stats/nba.com... Compare that to Jordan's 48.9% and 43.9% midrange in 1997 and 1998 on MUCH higher volume.. And obviously MJ was a better at-rim finisher - so that means MJ was the better 2-point shooter.. By a mile.. MJ is the greatest 2 point shooter of all time.. The stats back it up pretty clearly.

And let me know when Curry has to take midrange shots like the ones above - he never does, because in today's game it's considered a "bad shot".. But in previous eras that didn't space the floor like today's game, these type of shots were SOUGHT by players, as Maravich and MJ do above.. Without defenders being spaced out, ball movement wasn't as effective, so players were expected to use skill, take their man and make a tough shot (or "bad" shot if we're using today's perception).

There's a reason DRtg was 10 points lower in the 70's - defenders didn't have to guard the 3-point line, so they could contest 2-point shots far better than they could after the 3-point line was instituted.. Curry only shoots 41% from midrange in TODAY'S game, where defenders are spaced out from having to guard the 3-point line... In the 70's, it would be even lower.
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[Monta Ellis MVP]

:rolleyes:

Curry's midrange percentage was 41.1% in 2015, according to stats/nba.com... Compare that to Jordan's 48.9% and 43.9% midrange in 1997 and 1998 on MUCH higher volume.. And obviously MJ was a better at-rim finisher - so that means MJ was the better 2-point shooter.. By a mile.. MJ is the greatest 2 point shooter of all time.. The stats back it up pretty clearly.

And let me know when Curry has to take midrange shots like the ones above - he never does, because in today's game it's considered a "bad shot".. But in previous eras that didn't space the floor like today's game, these type of shots were SOUGHT by players, as Maravich and MJ do above.. Without defenders being spaced out, ball movement wasn't as effective, so players were expected to use skill, take their man and make a tough shot (or "bad" shot if we're using today's perception).

There's a reason DRtg was 10 points lower in the 70's - defenders didn't have to guard the 3-point line, so they could contest 2-point shots far better than they could after the 3-point line was instituted.. Curry only shoots 41% from midrange in TODAY'S game, where defenders are spaced out from having to guard the 3-point line... In the 70's, it would be even lower.
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Curry doesn't have to take shots like those because he has already completely broken down the defense 15 seconds earlier.

DRTG was lower In the 70's because players were just not as talented offensively. Watch any full game from 1970 and then watch a game live on TNT right after and you will immediately see what I'm talking about.

[Koresh]

3ball....LMAO

Stick to watching YouTube highlights of Jordan because you clearly do not know a lick about modern basketball. Curry works super hard to get a shot off. Most of his shots are off the dribble. He expends tons of energy. He would be Reggie Miller in the 90s.

Still do not understand why your username is 3ball but you despise the 3-point shot and you blame this shot for the spacing. Why have a misnomer as your username? :biggums: :confusedshrug: :roll:

By the way, I caught this too with 3ball's obsession with Curry now. He prompts Curry over LeBron but now people are drooling over Curry and about to call him the best player on the planet and you know some Jordan conversations will happen, so he bandwagons....3Ball, you're a damn joke, man. Now you make threads about Curry all of a sudden....Stick to what you do best, sucking off Jordan.

[ShawkFactory]

:rolleyes:

Curry's midrange percentage was 41.1% in 2015, according to stats/nba.com... Compare that to Jordan's 48.9% and 43.9% midrange in 1997 and 1998 on MUCH higher volume.. And obviously MJ was a better at-rim finisher - so that means MJ was the better 2-point shooter.. By a mile.. MJ is the greatest 2 point shooter of all time.. The stats back it up pretty clearly.

And let me know when Curry has to take midrange shots like the ones above - he never does, because in today's game it's considered a "bad shot".. But in previous eras that didn't space the floor like today's game, these type of shots were SOUGHT by players, as Maravich and MJ do above.. Without defenders being spaced out, ball movement wasn't as effective, so players were expected to use skill, take their man and make a tough shot (or "bad" shot if we're using today's perception).

There's a reason DRtg was 10 points lower in the 70's - defenders didn't have to guard the 3-point line, so they could contest 2-point shots far better than they could after the 3-point line was instituted.. Curry only shoots 41% from midrange in TODAY'S game, where defenders are spaced out from having to guard the 3-point line... In the 70's, it would be even lower.
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So MJ is a better shooter than Curry?

[WorldWarriors]

3ball....LMAO

Stick to watching YouTube highlights of Jordan because you clearly do not know a lick about modern basketball. Curry works super hard to get a shot off. Most of his shots are off the dribble. He expends tons of energy. He would be Reggie Miller in the 90s.

Still do not understand why your username is 3ball but you despise the 3-point shot and you blame this shot for the spacing. Why have a misnomer as your username? :biggums: :confusedshrug: :roll:

By the way, I caught this too with 3ball's obsession with Curry now. He prompts Curry over LeBron but now people are drooling over Curry and about to call him the best player on the planet and you know some Jordan conversations will happen, so he bandwagons....3Ball, you're a damn joke, man. Now you make threads about Curry all of a sudden....Stick to what you do best, sucking off Jordan.
Jordan conversations are already happening. Look at the comments on his youtube highlights. I knew that was the motivation for this thread from jump.

If ANY player gets mentioned in the same breath as Jordan 3ball goes on the attack immediately, lol. No chill.:oldlol:

[3ball]

So MJ is a better shooter than Curry?
Jordan is EASILY the better 2-point shooter.. By far.

Curry's midrange percentage was 41.1% in 2015, according to stats/nba.com... Compare that to Jordan's 48.9% and 43.9% midrange in 1997 and 1998 on MUCH higher volume..

And obviously MJ was a better at-rim finisher - so that means MJ was the better 2-point shooter.. By a mile.. MJ is the greatest 2 point shooter of all time.. The stats back it up pretty clearly.

[ShawkFactory]

Jordan is EASILY the better 2-point shooter.. By far.

Curry's midrange percentage was 41.1% in 2015, according to stats/nba.com... Compare that to Jordan's 48.9% and 43.9% midrange in 1997 and 1998 on MUCH higher volume..

And obviously MJ was a better at-rim finisher - so that means MJ was the better 2-point shooter.. By a mile.. MJ is the greatest 2 point shooter of all time.. The stats back it up pretty clearly.
Curry is the greatest shooter of all time

[3ball]

Curry is the greatest shooter of all time
He's a 41% midrange shooter.

That's average AT BEST.

Curry is only a great 3-point shooter.. As a 2-point shooter, the stats prove he's average.

[ShawkFactory]

He's a 41% midrange shooter.

That's average AT BEST.

Curry is only a great 3-point shooter.. As a 2-point shooter, the stats prove he's average.
Well it's kinda hard when you're 6'2.

He's the greatest shooter of all time

[3ball]

Curry shot 41% from midrange in 2015.

That's average AT BEST.

Curry is only great at 3-point shots.. As a 2-point shooter, the stats prove he's average.




Well it's kinda hard when you're 6'2.

He's the greatest shooter of all time


weakest post of the year

[Koresh]

3ball....LMAO

Stick to watching YouTube highlights of Jordan because you clearly do not know a lick about modern basketball. Curry works super hard to get a shot off. Most of his shots are off the dribble. He expends tons of energy. He would be Reggie Miller in the 90s.

Still do not understand why your username is 3ball but you despise the 3-point shot and you blame this shot for the spacing. Why have a misnomer as your username? :biggums: :confusedshrug: :roll:

By the way, I caught this too with 3ball's obsession with Curry now. He prompts Curry over LeBron but now people are drooling over Curry and about to call him the best player on the planet and you know some Jordan conversations will happen, so he bandwagons....3Ball, you're a damn joke, man. Now you make threads about Curry all of a sudden....Stick to what you do best, sucking off Jordan.

3ball can't handle this heat! No answer huh?

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[ShawkFactory]

weakest post of the year
It doesn't seem as though you watch Curry, or much basketball in general these days.

So I'll just clue you in: Curry is the best shooter of all time.

[3ball]

DRTG was lower In the 70's because players were just not as talented offensively.


You think DRtg skyrocketed from 100.9 in 1978, to 105.3 in 1980 (today's level) because players suddenly became skilled offensively?... You're obviously wrong on that.

Changes in the rule caused the sudden increase - in 1979, the NBA started assessing a technical foul for the first illegal D infraction instead of a warning... In 1980, they introduced the 3-point line.. But go ahead.. ignore the facts.

Also, players in previous eras were better post players, better midrange players, and better passers (it's harder to pass effectively and shift the defense when when defenders aren't spread out).. So the only thing today's player is better at is 3-point shooting.. and more PG's have an elite handle than before, but that doesn't necessarily make their team better.. PG's and ball-domination have almost never led teams to a championship.

The prevelance of more ball-dominance in today's game is one of the reasons today's game is a worse brand of basketball - it's why we got destroyed by Euroleague in 2002-2006 Olympics and World Games and barely beat these far less talented teams today.

[3ball]

It doesn't seem as though you watch Curry, or much basketball in general these days.

So I'll just clue you in: Curry is the best shooter of all time.
I'll just clue you in - 3-point shots are just one aspect of shooting.. Curry is a 41% midrange shooter.... That's average at best.

Curry is only great at 3-point shots - as a 2-point shooter, the stats prove he's average..

MJ and many others were FAR better 2-point shooters.. But keep being delusional and believing things that are wrong.. It's a free country.

[ShawkFactory]

I'll just clue you in - 3-point shots are just one aspect of shooting.. Curry is a 41% midrange shooter.... That's average at best.

Curry is only great at 3-point shots - as a 2-point shooter, the stats prove he's average..

MJ and many others were FAR better 2-point shooters.. But keep being delusional and believing things that are wrong.. It's a free country.
I'm delusional? Gotcha

[sdot_thadon]

It doesn't seem as though you watch Curry, or much basketball in general these days.

So I'll just clue you in: Curry is the best shooter of all time.
Dude said before he doesn't have to watch, supposedly his godly analytical skills only require a 30 second glimpse to understand everything that happens throughout a season or even a career. :bowdown:billygoat

[3ball]

3-point shots are just one aspect of shooting.. Curry is a 41% midrange shooter.... That's average at best.

Curry is only great at 3-point shots - as a 2-point shooter, the stats prove he's average..

MJ and many others were FAR better 2-point shooters.




I'm delusional? Gotcha


If you don't want to accept the facts I posted above, then you are.. :confusedshrug

We already know that Curry benefits from the 3-point shot more than any player in the history of the league - this is statistical fact..

But back when there wasn't a 3-point line, he'd be a much worse player.. In the 70's, Curry would get the same looks he gets today, except all the three pointers (half his shots) would be long two's instead... Long two's at 44% don't hurt a defense, so he'd be a much worse player.. Also, his shots inside 15 feet would be far better contested, since defenders didn't have to guard the 3-point line - that's why DRtg was literally 10 points lower in the 70's.

Short gunners that can't dominate inside end up being World B Free and Maravich-level players in the 70's, and those guys were actually better 2-point shotmakers than Curry.. But they were never considered the best player in the game or anywhere near, whereas Curry is considered that now.. Again, today's spaced-out, 3-point friendly league is the only era where Curry would be a top player.

[WorldWarriors]

If you don't want to accept the facts I posted above, then you are.. :confusedshrug

We already know that Curry benefits from the 3-point shot more than any player in the history of the league - this is statistical fact..

But back when there wasn't a 3-point line, he'd be a much worse player.. In the 70's, Curry would get the same looks he gets today, except all the three pointers (half his shots) would be long two's instead... Long two's at 44% don't hurt a defense, so he'd be a much worse player.. Also, his shots inside 15 feet would be far better contested, since defenders didn't have to guard the 3-point line - that's why DRtg was literally 10 points lower in the 70's.

Short gunners that can't dominate inside end up being World B Free and Maravich-level players in the 70's, and those guys were actually better 2-point shotmakers than Curry.. But they were never considered the best player in the game or anywhere near, whereas Curry is considered that now.. Again, today's spaced-out, 3-point friendly league is the only era where Curry would be a top player.

Do you watch Curry play? Just curious.

[ShawkFactory]

Do you watch Curry play? Just curious.
Obviously not :lol

[Kvnzhangyay]

If you don't want to accept the facts I posted above, then you are.. :confusedshrug

We already know that Curry benefits from the 3-point shot more than any player in the history of the league - this is statistical fact..

But back when there wasn't a 3-point line, he'd be a much worse player.. In the 70's, Curry would get the same looks he gets today, except all the three pointers (half his shots) would be long two's instead... Long two's at 44% don't hurt a defense, so he'd be a much worse player.. Also, his shots inside 15 feet would be far better contested, since defenders didn't have to guard the 3-point line - that's why DRtg was literally 10 points lower in the 70's.

Short gunners that can't dominate inside end up being World B Free and Maravich-level players in the 70's, and those guys were actually better 2-point shotmakers than Curry.. But they were never considered the best player in the game or anywhere near, whereas Curry is considered that now.. Again, today's spaced-out, 3-point friendly league is the only era where Curry would be a top player.

Go back to your back-office job :facepalm

[tmacattack33]

I'm not sure why a thread with no real point to it went to 13 pages. LOL.

Yeah okay, Steph Curry might not be the same without a 3 point line.

And Shaq wouldn't have been the same if you outlawed shots within 5 feet.

And Yao Ming would have been the GOAT if goaltending was legal...imagine that 7 foot 6 dude just standing there under the hoop rejecting everyone's shot.

So what.

[sd3035]

If Jordan had been a good shooter like Curry, he wouldn't have relied on Pippen to carry him so much

[3ball]

Go back to your back-office job :facepalm
In the 70's, Curry would get the same looks he gets today, except all the three pointers (half his shots) would be long two's instead... Long two's at 44% don't hurt a defense, so he'd be a much worse player.. Also, his shots inside 15 feet would be far better contested, since defenders didn't have to guard the 3-point line - that's why DRtg was literally 10 points lower in the 70's.

Short gunners that can't dominate inside end up being World B Free and Maravich-level players in the 70's, and those guys were actually better 2-point shotmakers than Curry.. But they were never considered the best player in the game or anywhere near, whereas Curry is considered that now.. Again, today's spaced-out, 3-point friendly league is the only era where Curry would be a top player.

[WorldWarriors]

Obviously not :lol

This explains it. He probably didn't even watch Lebron either for what its worth.

[3ball]

This explains it. He probably didn't even watch Lebron either for what its worth.
I've watched Curry plenty - I know his moves better than anyone on here.. I would DO his moves on you if we were to play.

But that doesn't change the simple logic - in the 70's, Curry would get the same looks he gets today, except all the three pointers (half his shots) would be long two's instead... Long two's at 44% don't hurt a defense, so he'd be a much worse player.. Also, his shots inside 15 feet would be far better contested, since defenders didn't have to guard the 3-point line - that's why DRtg was literally 10 points lower in the 70's.

Short gunners that can't dominate inside end up being World B Free and Maravich-level players in the 70's, and those guys were actually better 2-point shotmakers than Curry.. But they were never considered the best player in the game or anywhere near, whereas Curry is considered that now.. Again, today's spaced-out, 3-point friendly league is the only era where Curry would be a top player.
3ball is online now

[ShawkFactory]

This explains it. He probably didn't even watch Lebron either for what its worth.
He pretty clearly just doesn't watch the game at all.

[3ball]

He pretty clearly just doesn't watch the game at all.
I've watched Curry plenty - I know his moves better than anyone on here.. I would DO his moves on you if we played - the double-behind-the-back crossover and all.

But that doesn't change the simple logic - in the 70's, Curry would get the same looks he gets today, except all the three pointers (half his shots) would be long two's instead... Long two's at 44% don't hurt a defense, so he'd be a much worse player.. Also, his shots inside 15 feet would be far better contested, since defenders didn't have to guard the 3-point line - that's why DRtg was literally 10 points lower in the 70's.

Short gunners that can't dominate inside end up being World B Free and Maravich-level players in the 70's, and those guys were actually better 2-point shotmakers than Curry.. But they were never considered the best player in the game or anywhere near, whereas Curry is considered that now.. Again, today's spaced-out, 3-point friendly league is the only era where Curry would be a top player.
3ball is online now

[WorldWarriors]

I've watched Curry plenty - I know his moves better than anyone on here.. I would DO his moves on you if we were to play.

But that doesn't change the simple logic - in the 70's, Curry would get the same looks he gets today, except all the three pointers (half his shots) would be long two's instead... Long two's at 44% don't hurt a defense, so he'd be a much worse player.. Also, his shots inside 15 feet would be far better contested, since defenders didn't have to guard the 3-point line - that's why DRtg was literally 10 points lower in the 70's.

Short gunners that can't dominate inside end up being World B Free and Maravich-level players in the 70's, and those guys were actually better 2-point shotmakers than Curry.. But they were never considered the best player in the game or anywhere near, whereas Curry is considered that now.. Again, today's spaced-out, 3-point friendly league is the only era where Curry would be a top player.
3ball is online now

That is not simple logic 3ball. That is all conjecture on your part. Just because you believe it to be so doesn't mean that it is. I don't care how many times you repeat it. It's a theory of yours. It is not fact. It can only be a fact if it can be proven. Nothing you said can be proven.

[ShawkFactory]

I've watched Curry plenty - I know his moves better than anyone on here.. I would DO his moves on you if we played - the double-behind-the-back crossover and all.

But that doesn't change the simple logic - in the 70's, Curry would get the same looks he gets today, except all the three pointers (half his shots) would be long two's instead... Long two's at 44% don't hurt a defense, so he'd be a much worse player.. Also, his shots inside 15 feet would be far better contested, since defenders didn't have to guard the 3-point line - that's why DRtg was literally 10 points lower in the 70's.

Short gunners that can't dominate inside end up being World B Free and Maravich-level players in the 70's, and those guys were actually better 2-point shotmakers than Curry.. But they were never considered the best player in the game or anywhere near, whereas Curry is considered that now.. Again, today's spaced-out, 3-point friendly league is the only era where Curry would be a top player.
3ball is online now
I wonder what you'll say when the next person starts garnering BITW attention.

Always gonna be something

[3ball]

That is not simple logic 3ball. That is all conjecture on your part. Just because you believe it to be so doesn't mean that it is. I don't care how many times you repeat it. It's a theory of yours. It is not fact. It can only be a fact if it can be proven. Nothing you said can be proven.
:wtf:

It's not conjecture - it's STATISTICAL FACT - Curry's 3-pointers (half his shots) would be long two's in the 70's.. That's statistical fact, not conjecture.. Long two's at 44% don't hurt a defense, so he'd be a much worse player and his ppg would be 6 points less (that's how many threes would turn into 2's).

Also, his shots inside 15 feet would be far better contested, since defenders didn't have to guard the 3-point line - that's why DRtg was literally 10 points lower in the 70's.

Short gunners that can't dominate inside end up being World B Free and Maravich-level players in the 70's, and those guys were actually better 2-point shotmakers than Curry.. But they were never considered the best player in the game or anywhere near, whereas Curry is considered that now.. Again, today's spaced-out, 3-point friendly league is the only era where Curry would be a top player.
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[sd3035]

I've watched Curry plenty - I know his moves better than anyone on here.. I would DO his moves on you if we were to play.

But that doesn't change the simple logic - in the 70's, Curry would get the same looks he gets today, except all the three pointers (half his shots) would be long two's instead... Long two's at 44% don't hurt a defense, so he'd be a much worse player.. Also, his shots inside 15 feet would be far better contested, since defenders didn't have to guard the 3-point line - that's why DRtg was literally 10 points lower in the 70's.

Short gunners that can't dominate inside end up being World B Free and Maravich-level players in the 70's, and those guys were actually better 2-point shotmakers than Curry.. But they were never considered the best player in the game or anywhere near, whereas Curry is considered that now.. Again, today's spaced-out, 3-point friendly league is the only era where Curry would be a top player.
3ball is online now

sure you would :roll:

[ShawkFactory]

:wtf:

It's not conjecture - it's STATISTICAL FACT - Curry's 3-pointers (half his shots) would be long two's in the 70's.. That's statistical fact, not conjecture.

Long two's at 44% don't hurt a defense, so he'd be a much worse player.. Also, his shots inside 15 feet would be far better contested, since defenders didn't have to guard the 3-point line - that's why DRtg was literally 10 points lower in the 70's.

Short gunners that can't dominate inside end up being World B Free and Maravich-level players in the 70's, and those guys were actually better 2-point shotmakers than Curry.. But they were never considered the best player in the game or anywhere near, whereas Curry is considered that now.. Again, today's spaced-out, 3-point friendly league is the only era where Curry would be a top player.
So take Curry as he plays the game in 2015 and put him in the 70s and remove the 3pt line. Every shot is the same, every defender plays him the same, etc.

Seems reasonable there partner

[3ball]

sure you would :roll:
I would

[WorldWarriors]

:wtf:

It's not conjecture - it's STATISTICAL FACT - Curry's 3-pointers (half his shots) would be long two's in the 70's.. That's statistical fact, not conjecture.. Long two's at 44% don't hurt a defense, so he'd be a much worse player and his ppg would be 6 points less (that's how many threes would turn into 2's.

Also, his shots inside 15 feet would be far better contested, since defenders didn't have to guard the 3-point line - that's why DRtg was literally 10 points lower in the 70's.

Short gunners that can't dominate inside end up being World B Free and Maravich-level players in the 70's, and those guys were actually better 2-point shotmakers than Curry.. But they were never considered the best player in the game or anywhere near, whereas Curry is considered that now.. Again, today's spaced-out, 3-point friendly league is the only era where Curry would be a top player.

Everything in bold is conjecture which is really the bulk of your argument. You state one fact that means nothing really.

[ShawkFactory]

Everything in bold is conjecture which is really the bulk of your argument. You state one fact that means nothing really.
The best shooter of all time would be fine in any era. Everyone and their grandma knows it. Might just want to let this one go

[3ball]

Everything in bold is conjecture which the bulk of your argument.
Long two's are the worst shot in the game - that's a fact.

Without the 3-point line, half of Curry's shots are instantly transformed from being the most efficient shot in the game (a Curry 3-pointer), to the lowest efficiency shot in the game (long two's)..

Anytime that half a player's shots are transformed from the most efficient shot to the least efficient shot, that player becomes a worse player.. But go ahead and counter these facts with your standard "that's conjecture".. You can't counter with anything else, because it's NOT conjecture - everything I just said is fact.

It's very obvious and intuitive that Curry would be a far worse player without the 3-point line - he wouldn't be anywhere NEAR the best player in the game like he is today.

[WorldWarriors]

Long two's are the shots defenses want to give up the most - that's a fact.

Without the 3-point line, half of Curry's shots are instantly transformed from being the most efficient shot in the game (a Curry 3-pointer), to the lowest efficiency shot in the game (long two's)..

Anytime that half a player's shots are transformed from the most efficient shot to least efficient, that player becomes a worse player.. But go ahead and counter these facts with your standard "that's conjecture".. You can't counter with anything else, because it's NOT conjecture - everything I just said is fact.


There's nothing to counter. These are all baseless contentions that you're created in your head to defend MJ's honor. There would be no point in addressing your straw man arguments.

[Dro]

Yes let's completely change the rules because Curry is currently looking more unstoppable than Peak MJ ever was :lol :oldlol:
I get the ribbing on 3ball but this is absolutely ridiculous and you know it.....

[WorldWarriors]

The best shooter of all time would be fine in any era. Everyone and their grandma knows it. Might just want to let this one go

So noted. I'm out.:oldlol:

[3ball]

Long two's are the shots defenses want to give up the most - that's a fact.




baseless contention that you created


You're not thinking rationally and denying common knowledge facts.. Soon you'll be saying the sky isn't blue.. :facepalm

Without the 3-point line, half of Curry's shots are instantly transformed from being the most efficient shot in the game (a Curry 3-pointer), to the lowest efficiency shot in the game (long two's)..

Whe half a player's shots are transformed from the most efficient shot to least efficient, that player becomes a worse player - period.. But go ahead and counter these facts with your standard "that's conjecture".. You can't counter with anything else, because it's NOT conjecture - everything I just said is fact.

[3ball]

The best shooter of all time would be fine in any era. Everyone and their grandma knows it. Might just want to let this one go



Curry would be "fine" as you say... But he wouldn't be anywhere near the best player in the game like he is today.

Today's spaced-out, 3-point friendly league is the only era where Curry would be a top player.

Without the 3-point line, half of Curry's shots are instantly transformed from being the most efficient shot in the game that defenses are terrified of (a Curry 3-pointer), to the lowest efficiency shot in the game that defenses prefer over any other shot(long two's).

[ShawkFactory]

Curry would be "fine" as you say... But he wouldn't be anywhere near the best player in the game like he is today.

Today's spaced-out, 3-point friendly league is the only era where Curry would be a top player.

Without the 3-point line, half of Curry's shots are instantly transformed from being the most efficient shot in the game that defenses are terrified of (a Curry 3-pointer), to the lowest efficiency shot in the game that defenses prefer over any other shot(long two's).
:sleeping

[3ball]

:sleeping
translation: i agree, but don't want to give you the satisfaction.

said another way: no mas

but i don't need the satisfaction - when you're just informing people that the sky is blue, you don't need to see them nod their head and you can just laugh when they disagree.

[ShawkFactory]

translation: i agree, but don't want to give you the satisfaction.

said another way: no mas

but i don't need the satisfaction - when you're just informing people that the sky is blue, you don't need to see them nod their head and you can just laugh when they disagree.
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[3ball]

:facepalm
I actually agree with you - Curry would "be fine" in previous eras, as you say - but he wouldn't be anywhere near the best player in the game like is today.

Today's spaced-out, 3-point friendly league is the only era where Curry would be a top player.

Without the 3-point line, half of Curry's shots are instantly transformed from the most efficient shot in the game that defenses are terrified of (a Curry 3-pointer), to the lowest efficiency shot in the game that defenses prefer over any other shot (long two's).

[ShawkFactory]

I actually agree with you - Curry would "be fine" in previous eras, as you say - but he wouldn't be anywhere near the best player in the game like is today.

Today's spaced-out, 3-point friendly league is the only era where Curry would be a top player.

Without the 3-point line, half of Curry's shots are instantly transformed from the most efficient shot in the game that defenses are terrified of (a Curry 3-pointer), to the lowest efficiency shot in the game that defenses prefer over any other shot (long two's).
Come on now.It's just embarrassing at this point, tutz.

[3ball]

Come on now.It's just embarrassing at this point, tutz.
Maybe for you since I proved Curry would be much worse without the 3-point line.

In the 70's, Curry would get the same looks he gets today, except all the three pointers (half his shots) would be long two's instead... Long two's at 44% don't hurt a defense, so he'd be a much worse player.. Also, his shots inside 15 feet would be far better contested, since defenders didn't have to guard the 3-point line - that's why DRtg was literally 10 points lower in the 70's.

Short gunners that can't dominate inside end up being World B Free and Maravich-level players in the 70's, and those guys were actually better 2-point shotmakers than Curry.. But they were never considered the best player in the game or anywhere near, whereas Curry is considered that now.. Again, today's spaced-out, 3-point friendly league is the only era where Curry would be a top player.
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[ShawkFactory]

Maybe for you since I proved Curry would be much worse without the 3-point line.

In the 70's, Curry would get the same looks he gets today, except all the three pointers (half his shots) would be long two's instead... Long two's at 44% don't hurt a defense, so he'd be a much worse player.. Also, his shots inside 15 feet would be far better contested, since defenders didn't have to guard the 3-point line - that's why DRtg was literally 10 points lower in the 70's.

Short gunners that can't dominate inside end up being World B Free and Maravich-level players in the 70's, and those guys were actually better 2-point shotmakers than Curry.. But they were never considered the best player in the game or anywhere near, whereas Curry is considered that now.. Again, today's spaced-out, 3-point friendly league is the only era where Curry would be a top player.
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You've literally proven nothing except that taking away the 3, which he has had his entire life, would negatively affect his game, as he has evolved it around this very efficient shot.

[3ball]

You've literally proven nothing except that taking away the 3, which he has had his entire life, would negatively affect his game, as he has evolved it around this very efficient shot.


that's all I was trying to prove.

and I take no credit - I merely stated what any rational-thinking adult would conclude given the fact that 3 > 2...

If curry didn't get an extra point on his long-range bombs, he wouldn't be a scary player to any defense - a defense isn't worried about a player shooting 25-foot two-pointers at 44% ten times per game...

Infact, a defense is EXCITED about that - that's the best news for any defense.

[ShawkFactory]

that's all I was trying to prove.

and I take no credit - I merely stated what any rational-thinking adult would conclude given the fact that 3 > 2...

If curry didn't get an extra point on his long-range bombs, he wouldn't be a scary player to any defense - a defense isn't worried about a player shooting 10 times per game from 25 feet at 44%...

Infact, a defense is EXCITED about that - that's the best news for any defense.
So just ignore the rest of my post then. The part that provides the context for what you highlighted.

Seems reasonable

[3ball]

So just ignore the rest of my post then. The part that provides the context for what you highlighted.


All I wanted to prove was that Curry would be a worse player without the 3-point line, which you conceded.

It isn't rocket science - if curry didn't get an extra point on his long-range bombs, he wouldn't be a scary player - a defense isn't worried about a player shooting 25-foot two-pointers at 44%.... ten times per game...

Infact, a defense is EXCITED about that - that's the best news for any defense.

[ShawkFactory]

All I wanted to prove was that Curry would be a worse player without the 3-point line, which you conceded.

It isn't rocket science - if curry didn't get an extra point on his long-range bombs, he wouldn't be a scary player - a defense isn't worried about a player shooting 25-foot two-pointers at 44%.... ten times per game...

Infact, a defense is EXCITED about that - that's the best news for any defense.
The 3 point line was implemented in 1979. Your boy had it his entire career. You claimed this is the only era he'd be a top player. The 3pt era has been around for 36 years. It's been around for longer than it wasn't around in the NBA

I really don't understand what point you are trying to make.

I mean..I do. Just don't know why

[3ball]

I really don't understand what point you are trying to make.



It's simple - Curry wouldn't be nearly as good in the 70's, while MJ would - MJ averaged 37 ppg on all two-pointers, while shooting 59% ts.

There isn't a single player in today's game that could even average 25 ppg on all two's, except Westbrook... That's how far the skill level has fallen in today's game.


In the 70's, Curry would get the same looks he gets today, except all the highly efficient three pointers (half his shots) would become the least efficient long two's instead... Long two's at 44% don't hurt a defense like threes at 44%, so he'd be a much worse player.. Also, his shots inside 15 feet would be far better contested, since defenders didn't have to guard the 3-point line - that's why DRtg was literally 10 points lower in the 70's.

Short gunners that can't dominate inside end up being World B Free and Maravich-level players in the 70's, and those guys were actually better 2-point shotmakers than Curry.. But they were never considered the best player in the game or anywhere near, whereas Curry is considered that now.. Again, today's spaced-out, 3-point friendly league is the only era where Curry would be a top player.

[ShawkFactory]

It's simple - Curry wouldn't be nearly as good in the 70's, while MJ would - MJ averaged 37 ppg on all two-pointers, while shooting 59% ts.

There isn't a single player in today's game that could even average 25 ppg on all two's, except Westbrook... That's how far the skill level has fallen in today's game.


In the 70's, Curry would get the same looks he gets today, except all the three pointers (half his shots) would be long two's instead... Long two's at 44% don't hurt a defense, so he'd be a much worse player.. Also, his shots inside 15 feet would be far better contested, since defenders didn't have to guard the 3-point line - that's why DRtg was literally 10 points lower in the 70's.

Short gunners that can't dominate inside end up being World B Free and Maravich-level players in the 70's, and those guys were actually better 2-point shotmakers than Curry.. But they were never considered the best player in the game or anywhere near, whereas Curry is considered that now.. Again, today's spaced-out, 3-point friendly league is the only era where Curry would be a top player.
I imagine the best shooter of all time in the 80s...:eek:

Some crooked numbers there. Might have stolen a couple of Bird, Magic, or Moses's MVPs.

[sdot_thadon]

I'm still failing to see how taking the 3 point line away cripples curry in any way at all. West, maravich, etc still shot from 3 point range without the line even being there............

[3ball]

I imagine the best shooter of all time in the 80s...:eek:

Some crooked numbers there. Might have stolen a couple of Bird, Magic, or Moses's MVPs.
Even if your fantastical notion was correct that 80's Curry = Magic, Bird or Moses... It wouldn't be true for the 70's.

In the 70's, Magic, Bird and Moses remain at the same all-time level, while Curry craters without the 3-point line and is nowhere near being a top player.. Sorry to crush your dreams bud
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[ShawkFactory]

Even if your fantastical notion was correct that 80's Curry = Magic, Bird or Moses... It wouldn't be true for the 70's.

In the 70's, Magic, Bird and Moses remain at the same all-time level, while Curry craters without the 3-point line and is nowhere near being a top player.. Sorry to crush your dreams bud
What dreams? :oldlol:

You're the one talking about the 70s. I'm enjoying watch Steph play. Him in a run and gun style in the 80s with defenders not as concerned about the 3 point line? Forget about it baby.

[ShawkFactory]

It's amazing - in the 70's, all of a sudden, half of Curry's shots are transformed from being the most efficient shots (Curry 3-pointers), to the lowest efficiency shot (long two's).. The defense can relax big time... Whew

The reality is that the 3-point line is a modern, artificial invention... But without it - when it's just pure basketball - Curry is much worse... He needs the artificial boost of that extra point to be any good at basketball..

Players that take 10+ long two's per game are marginal gunners, not top players - it's always been this way and always will be.. Curry is just lucky that the 3-point line turns him into a top player.
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And now we're back to you not watching him play :lol

[3ball]

What dreams? :oldlol:

You're the one talking about the 70s. I'm enjoying watch Steph play. Him in a run and gun style in the 80s with defenders not as concerned about the 3 point line? Forget about it baby.
It's amazing - in the 70's, all of a sudden, half of Curry's shots are transformed from being the most efficient shots (Curry 3-pointers), to the lowest efficiency shot (long two's).. The defense can relax big time... Whew

The reality is that the 3-point line is a modern, artificial invention... But without it - when it's just pure basketball - Curry is much worse... He needs the artificial boost of that extra point to be any good at basketball..

Players that take 10+ long two's per game are marginal gunners, not top players - it's always been this way and always will be.. Curry is just lucky that the 3-point line turns him into a top player.

[ShawkFactory]

It's amazing - in the 70's, all of a sudden, half of Curry's shots are transformed from being the most efficient shots (Curry 3-pointers), to the lowest efficiency shot (long two's).. The defense can relax big time... Whew

The reality is that the 3-point line is a modern, artificial invention... But without it - when it's just pure basketball - Curry is much worse... He needs the artificial boost of that extra point to be any good at basketball..

Players that take 10+ long two's per game are marginal gunners, not top players - it's always been this way and always will be.. Curry is just lucky that the 3-point line turns him into a top player.
Put the best shooter of all time there and things change, tutz.

[diamenz]

if you can't appreciate curry then i don't know what to tell you. go grab your microwave pizza, soda and vhs nba tapes and **** off.

[3ball]

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Thread cliffs: Curry's 10 three-point attempts would be long two's in the 70's before the 3-point line... Players that take 10+ long two's per game are marginal gunners, not top players - it's always been this way and always will be.. Curry is just lucky that the 3-point line turns him into a top player.


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[ShawkFactory]

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Thread cliffs: The 10 threes that Curry takes at 44% would be long two's in the 70's before the 3-point line... Players that take 10+ long two's per game are marginal gunners, not top players - it's always been this way and always will be.. Curry is just lucky that the 3-point line turns him into a top player.


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[3ball]

:sleeping
Players that take 10+ long two's per game are marginal gunners, not top players - it's always been this way and always will be.. Curry is just lucky that the 3-point line turns him into a top player.

[ShawkFactory]

Players that take 10+ long two's per game are marginal gunners, not top players - it's always been this way and always will be.. Curry is just lucky that the 3-point line turns him into a top player.
You know, I was just curious as to how many times I could get you to say the exact same thing. Doesn't seem like you'll ever stop :lol

[3ball]

You know, I was just curious as to how many times I could get you to say the exact same thing. Doesn't seem like you'll ever stop :lol
If a poster responds with some bs, instead of refuting my points, then I repost it... Not sure what else to do when shit goes unrefuted (probably because it's fact):

Players that take 10+ long two's per game are marginal gunners, not top players - it's always been this way and always will be.. Curry is just lucky that the 3-point line turns him into a top player.

[90sgoat]

3ball, did you see my thread showing how 3 point shot efficiency drastically decreases in playoffs (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=388763)?

[ShawkFactory]

If a poster responds with some bs, instead of refuting my points, then I repost it... Not sure what else to do when shit goes unrefuted (probably because it's fact):

Players that take 10+ long two's per game are marginal gunners, not top players - it's always been this way and always will be.. Curry is just lucky that the 3-point line turns him into a top player.

Your points aren't worth refuting. Your entire big picture is, and has been.

[3ball]

Your points aren't worth refuting. Your entire big picture is, and has been.
Players that take a lot of long two's every game are marginal gunners, not top players - it's always been this way and always will be..

Curry is just lucky that the 3-point line turns him from low-efficiency gunner into a top player.

[Monta Ellis MVP]

Curry is just lucky that the 3-point line turns him from low-efficiency gunner into a top player.

What if Curry was as lucky as Michael Jordan was and was able to play with a shortened 22 foot 3 point line!!! :eek:

[3ball]

What if Curry was as lucky as Michael Jordan was and was able to play with a shortened 22 foot 3 point line!!! :eek:
MJ didn't need the 3-point line.. He averaged 37 ppg on all two-pointers while shooting 59% ts.

Other than Westbrook, there isn't a single player in today's game that could average 25 ppg on all two's, let alone do it on good efficiency like MJ.

[Monta Ellis MVP]

MJ didn't need the 3-point line.. He averaged 37 ppg on all two-pointers while shooting 59% ts.

Other than Westbrook, there isn't a single player in today's game that could average 25 ppg on all two's.. and Westbrook can't do it on good efficiency.

If Curry was as lucky to play in Michael Jordan's time he would not only have the 3 pointer, but it would be shortened as well!!!The numbers Curry would of put up would of never been broken again.

[3ball]

If Curry was as lucky to play in Michael Jordan's time he would not only have the 3 pointer, but it would be shortened as well!!!The numbers Curry would of put up would of never been broken again.
In the 90's, Curry would be < MJ, Hakeem, Shaq, Malone, Robinson and others... The only era where he would be top 5 is today's era.

And without the 3-point line in the 70's, he wouldn't be a top 20 player - Curry is just lucky the 3-point line turns him from low-efficiency gunner into a top player - the 3-point line literally transforms him from taking 10+ long two-point attempts each game, to 10+ high efficiency 3-point attempts per game..

The 3-point line SAVES Curry's game.

[knicksman]

At the same time, currys percentage would go up since he will not be defended at the 3pt line. Most of currys shot attempts are contested and still shoot at 44% which is the norm for elite midrange shooters. Besides if curry could shoot those contested 3s easily theres no reason he cant do the easier ones like contested midrange. He just doesnt focus on that. Theres a reason why curry is the best player coz hes the only one who could do impossible things just like kobe in his era.

[ShawkFactory]

If Curry was as lucky to play in Michael Jordan's time he would not only have the 3 pointer, but it would be shortened as well!!!The numbers Curry would of put up would of never been broken again.
It'd be a bloodbath.

More evidence that now is not the only time that Curry would be successful.

[3ball]

At the same time, currys percentage would go up since he will not be defended at the 3pt line.


Why wouldn't his long two's be contested?... That's a dumb assumption based on nothing.. In the 70's, Curry would get the same looks he gets today, except all the three pointers (half his shots) would be long two's instead.

Without the 3-point line, Curry goes from taking 10+ high efficiency three-pointers per game to taking 10+ low efficiency, long two's every game - Curry is just lucky the 3-point line turns him from low-efficiency gunner into a top player... But long two's at 44% don't hurt a defense, so he'd be a much worse player without the line.

Also, his shots inside 15 feet would be far better contested, since defenders didn't have to guard the 3-point line - that's why DRtg was literally 10 points lower in the 70's.

In the 70's, short gunners that can't dominate inside end up being World B Free and Maravich-level players, and those guys were actually better 2-point shotmakers than Curry.. But they were never considered the best player in the game or anywhere near, whereas Curry is considered that now.. Again, today's spaced-out, 3-point friendly league is the only era where Curry would be a top player.
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[3ball]

It'd be a bloodbath.

More evidence that now is not the only time that Curry would be successful.
In the 90's, Curry would be < MJ, Hakeem, Shaq, Malone, Robinson and others... The only era where he'd be top 5 is today's era.

And without the 3-point line in the 70's, he wouldn't be a top 20 player - Curry is just lucky the 3-point line turns him from low-efficiency gunner into a top player - the 3-point line literally transforms him from attempting 10+ long two's each game, to 10+ high efficiency threes per game..

The 3-point line SAVES Curry's game.

[ShawkFactory]

In the 90's, Curry would be < MJ, Hakeem, Shaq, Malone, Robinson and others... The only era where he'd be top 5 is today's era.

And without the 3-point line in the 70's, he wouldn't be a top 20 player - Curry is just lucky the 3-point line turns him from low-efficiency gunner into a top player - the 3-point line literally transforms him from attempting 10+ long two's each game, to 10+ high efficiency threes per game..

The 3-point line SAVES Curry's game.
Could you imagine Curry with the shortened line? It'd be a bloodbath.

[Monta Ellis MVP]

Could you imagine Curry with the shortened line? It'd be a bloodbath.

Total bloodbath. Wilt's scoring records would be in jeopardy.

[3ball]

Could you imagine Curry with the shortened line? It'd be a bloodbath.
Actually it wouldn't... With the line 3 feet closer, that's 3 feet less of surface area the defense has to guard - that's a CONFIRMED 3 feet less spacing and less room for Curry to operate.. This is in addition to the lack of spacing that already existed compared to today's game.

Add in the hand-checking and higher physicality, and Curry's done.. He'd still be a decent player, but you had to be tougher, sturdier player back then... Good thing Curry.... Oh wait... He's a fragile kid that gets hurt every year.. He'd get trampled in the physical "real basketball" 90's.
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[Monta Ellis MVP]

Actually it wouldn't... With the line 3 feet closer, that's 3 feet less of surface area the defense has to guard - that's a CONFIRMED 3 feet less spacing and less room for Curry to operate.. This is in addition to the lack of spacing that already existed compared to today's game.

Add in the hand-checking and higher physicality, and Curry's done.. He'd still be a decent player, but you had to be tougher, sturdier player back then... Good thing Curry.... Oh wait... He's a fragile kid that gets hurt every year.. He'd get trampled in the physical "real basketball" 90's.

Curry is stronger than Jordan. Show us where Jordan is on record deadlifting 400+ pounds

http://mweb.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/25207008/stephen-curry-can-deadlift-400-pounds

[3ball]

Curry is stronger than Jordan. Show us where Jordan is on record deadlifting 400+ pounds

http://mweb.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/25207008/stephen-curry-can-deadlift-400-pounds
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Today's spacing and hands-off defense leaves actual space between the defender and offensive player at all times.

The spacing looks weirdly neat and organized, like a marching band or dance routine, not a basketball game.. This no-contact brand of "basketball" suits Curry's finesse, soft style.
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[tontoz]

Curry would be great in the 90s. He probably wouldn't win MVP due to MJ and all the elite bigs, but he would be lighting it up from 3 just like he is now.

That era was much more physical but that was more of a problem for guys like Isiah and KJ who make their living taking it to the rim. They got beat up.

[3ball]

Curry would be great in the 90s. He probably wouldn't win MVP due to MJ and all the elite bigs, but he would be lighting it up from 3 just like he is now.

That era was much more physical but that was more of a problem for guys like Isiah and KJ who make their living taking it to the rim. They got beat up.
In the 90's, Curry would be < MJ, Hakeem, Shaq, Malone, Robinson and others... The only era where he'd be top 5 is today's era.

And without the 3-point line in the 70's, he wouldn't be a top 20 player - the 3-point line literally transforms him from attempting 10+ long two's each game, to 10+ high efficiency threes per game.. Curry is lucky the 3-point line turns him from low-efficiency gunner into a top player.

The 3-point line SAVES Curry's game.
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