Was Warriors' 67 wins more impressive than Bulls 72 wins?

[livinglegend]

They played in one of the toughest conferences ever.

[juju151111]

They played in one of the toughest conferences ever.
No

[feyki]

94-01 weak era .

[sd3035]

On the same level

[tmacattack33]

Interesting.

Also, wasn't that the Bulls the year of the expansion? With the Vancouver and Toronto.

So Chicago was gifted 6 wins right there (4 against Toronto and 2 against Vancouver).



Though, the East in 1996 wasn't easy at all. Orlando, Indiana, New York, and Miami were all very good.

[r15mohd]

Interesting.

Also, wasn't that the Bulls the year of the expansion? With the Vancouver and Toronto.

So Chicago was gifted 6 wins right there (4 against Toronto and 2 against Vancouver).



Though, the East in 1996 wasn't easy at all. Orlando, Indiana, New York, and Miami were all very good.

i think the Bulls lost to the Raptors this year...may have been earlier but I remember it being a huge upset that the Raptors beat them

[sportjames23]

Interesting.

Also, wasn't that the Bulls the year of the expansion? With the Vancouver and Toronto.

So Chicago was gifted 6 wins right there (4 against Toronto and 2 against Vancouver).



Though, the East in 1996 wasn't easy at all. Orlando, Indiana, New York, and Miami were all very good.


You say the Warriors are gifted quite a few games a year playing in their division, with only the Clipper being a threat to them.

[Legends66NBA7]

i think the Bulls lost to the Raptors this year...may have been earlier but I remember it being a huge upset that the Raptors beat them

Yeah, the Raptors franchise to this day still praise that win in high regards. It was just a young pup going up against a titan.

But by no means is the Bulls 72 wins easy. Infact, I always thought the 97 Bulls getting 69 and wins and had a legit shot at repeating 70+ was ever harder.

[Dragonyeuw]

Interesting.

Also, wasn't that the Bulls the year of the expansion? With the Vancouver and Toronto.

So Chicago was gifted 6 wins right there (4 against Toronto and 2 against Vancouver).



Though, the East in 1996 wasn't easy at all. Orlando, Indiana, New York, and Miami were all very good.

They lost to Toronto at least once. I recall watching the game at the time and it was a HUGE deal.

And, as you say, Orlando, Indiana, New York and Miami were better than the majority of today's Eastern teams and at least competitive with the west's best. And in reality, even though Toronto and Vancouver were expansion teams, it's not like there aren't crappy teams today that accounted for a small portion of the Warriors win total.

[tmacattack33]

You say the Warriors are gifted quite a few games a year playing in their division, with only the Clipper being a threat to them.

The Lakers or whoever might be terrible, but they don't resemble an expansion team.

The only team that resembles an expansion team today is the Sixers.

[Dragonyeuw]

Yeah, the Raptors franchise to this day still praise that win in high regards. It was just a young pup going up against a titan.

But by no means is the Bulls 72 wins easy. Infact, I always thought the 97 Bulls getting 69 and wins and had a legit shot at repeating 70+ was ever harder.

The 98 team winning 62 was even more of a miracle. 35 year old MJ at the tailend of his Bulls glory years, a 37 year old Rodman, Pippen missing 35 games, and guys like Kukoc, Kerr, and Harper north of 30. That's a very underrated carry job by a declining MJ for the majority of the season without Pip.

[Sarcastic]

The Lakers or whoever might be terrible, but they don't resemble an expansion team.

The only team that resembles an expansion team today is the Sixers.

Knicks Sixers Wolves were all just as bad or worse than the Grizzlies or Raptors in 1996. You can throw the Lakers in there too.

[Teanett]

72 is more than 67 last time i checked
:wtf:

[24-Inch_Chrome]

No.

[RidonKs]

yeah the warriors were better than the bulls ever were

90s were something of weak era

immobile bigmen clogging the paint

charging in like a bulls for contested shots

hoisting no look shoulder hooks

jordan would have had his mind blitzed by the pace played in todays game

[sd3035]

One thing's for sure, Jordan's team was much more stacked, and they played in a far weaker conference and era.

[Dragonyeuw]

immobile bigmen clogging the paint





David Robinson, Orlando Shaq, Hakeem were immobile bigmen? I've read it all now.

[Derka]

Did I miss something or did a whole bunch of new forum names pop up and suddenly realize that the Golden State Warriors existed?

Not at all suspicious.

[guy]

A number of teams have won 67 games no one has won 72. Furthermore, even if you want to argue one played in a tougher conference, there wasn't this dynamic back then where elite teams would rest their players more through less minutes or literally sitting them out at the expense of wins. There was way more of an emphasis on winning as many games as possible, getting a higher seed, getting home court advantage, etc.

[Monta Ellis MVP]

A number of teams have won 67 games no one has won 72. Furthermore, even if you want to argue one played in a tougher conference, there wasn't this dynamic back then where elite teams would rest their players more through less minutes or literally sitting them out at the expense of wins. There was way more of an emphasis on winning as many games as possible, getting a higher seed, getting home court advantage, etc.

The other great 67 Win teams were not as fortunate as the Bulls to play in a brand new expansion league with the first year Raptors and Grizz leading to an inflated record.

[Sarcastic]

The other great 67 Win teams were not as fortunate as the Bulls to play in a brand new expansion league with the first year Raptors and Grizz leading to an inflated record.

The Raptors weren't that bad. Last years Knicks Sixers Wolves and Lakers were all worse.

[Monta Ellis MVP]

The Raptors weren't that bad. Last years Knicks Sixers Wolves and Lakers were all worse.

How about you do a complete team by team comparison by 2015 Western Conference and the 1996 Eastern Conference.

I'll give you a little tip, the 2015 West Conference is a much better league.

[Sarcastic]

How about you do a complete team by team comparison by 2015 Western Conference and the 1996 Eastern Conference.

I'll give you a little tip, the 2015 West Conference is a much better league.

The difference was not massive. The 96 East had 2 60 win teams. 15 West had 1 and second best team was the 56 win Rockets. Plus the second best player in the NBA was injured. The stars aligned for the Warrs last year, with the injuries and missing the Spurs and Clippers in the playoffs.

[Monta Ellis MVP]

The difference was not massive. The 96 East had 2 60 win teams. 15 West had 1 and second best team was the 56 win Rockets. Plus the second best player in the NBA was injured. The stars aligned for the Warrs last year, with the injuries and missing the Spurs and Clippers in the playoffs.

Difference was not massive?

Difference between 67 and 72 wins isn't massive as well.

Food for thought.

[JellyBean]

They played in one of the toughest conferences ever.

Bruh? :facepalm

[Sarcastic]

Difference was not massive?

Difference between 67 and 72 wins isn't massive as well.

Food for thought.

Who said it was? Maybe the straw man sitting behind you?

[Monta Ellis MVP]

Who said it was? Maybe the straw man sitting behind you?

So if a team has a slightly easier Conference and gets a slightly better record? That makes them a better team?

You have the deductive reasoning skills of a squirrel, stick to your lame gimmick posts because you do not have the mental capacity to engage in a real discussion.

[GIF REACTION]

warriorfan aka mr. slim jim

[Sarcastic]

So if a team has a slightly easier Conference and gets a slightly better record? That makes them a better team?

You have the deductive reasoning skills of a squirrel, stick to your lame gimmick posts because you do not have the mental capacity to engage in a real discussion.

Slightly better record and slightly easier conference are both subjective. What is completely objective is that the Bulls had both the better record and better SRS than the Warriors, and those together make it a more impressive season.

[Monta Ellis MVP]

Slightly better record and slightly easier conference are both subjective. What is completely objective is that the Bulls had both the better record and better SRS than the Warriors, and those together make it a more impressive season.

Playing against worse teams = better record and better SRS

You aren't good at thinking. Please keep your posting within the limitations of your brainless gimmick. Thank you.

[Sarcastic]

Playing against worse teams = better record and better SRS

You aren't good at thinking. Please keep your posting within the limitations of your brainless gimmick. Thank you.

You obviously have no idea what SRS is by that comment, so I'll bow out of this conversation, since I don't speak moron.

[Monta Ellis MVP]

You obviously have no idea what SRS is by that comment, so I'll bow out of this conversation, since I don't speak moron.

You say you don't speak moron while denying the fact that Bulls 1996 Eastern Conference was weaker than the Warriors 2015 and that has an obvious effect on team record.

:facepalm

Nerds throw around advanced stats when they can't even grasp simple common sense concepts. Gotta love it.

[OldSchoolBBall]

No, it wasn't nearly as impressive. Forget the win totals, and consider that of the Bulls' 10 losses:

3 of the 10 were by 1 point
7 of the 10 were by 6 points or less
9 of the 10 were by 10 points or less

Only one loss was by more than 10 points (a 30+ point blowout loss). Point is, those Bulls were basically "in" every game that season, and very easily could have had 74+ wins.

[aquaadverse]

72 better than 67. Beat it or shut up

[sportjames23]

No, it wasn't nearly as impressive. Forget the win totals, and consider that of the Bulls' 10 losses:

3 of the 10 were by 1 point
7 of the 10 were by 6 points or less
9 of the 10 were by 10 points or less

Only one loss was by more than 10 points (a 30+ point blowout loss). Point is, those Bulls were basically "in" every game that season, and very easily could have had 74+ wins.


Yup. If it wasn't for two late season, one-point loss games at home to Indiana and Charlotte, the Bulls would have been 74-8 and had the record with no losses at home in the regular season. I'm still pissed off to this day about those two losses.

[guy]

The other great 67 Win teams were not as fortunate as the Bulls to play in a brand new expansion league with the first year Raptors and Grizz leading to an inflated record.

The fact that they were expansion teams is irrelevant. There's always been shitty teams in the league every season.



You say you don't speak moron while denying the fact that Bulls 1996 Eastern Conference was weaker than the Warriors 2015 and that has an obvious effect on team record.

Do you think the 1996 Eastern Conference was worst then the 2015 Eastern Conference?

The Warriors went 25-5 against the East and 42-10 against the West. Lets say the Warriors were in the East instead of the West and had the same win % against those teams. Well then, the Warriors would've gone about 24-6 against the West and 43-9 against the East, i.e. the same 67-15 record. Now sure, maybe there's other factors to take into account i.e. travel, momentum, but it doesn't sound like it would be markedly different. So unless you think the East was better in 2015 then 1996, which would be laughable, you're not really presenting much of an argument.

Like I said, there's nowhere near the same importance held for the regular season today as there was back then. Organizations meaning the coaches and GMs, not the players, don't put the same level of effort in winning as many games as possible.

[Monta Ellis MVP]

The fact that they were expansion teams is irrelevant. There's always been shitty teams in the league every season.


Shitty teams does not equal a shitty team that is in it's VERY FIRST YEAR. The guys didn't even play one minute of basketball with each other the previous year. They are literally starting from SCRATCH. If you want to compare a poor team that has had a similar core and coaching staff for a number of years to an expansion team that is building everything from the ground up with zero experience as a team what so ever. Then you are either biased or stupid or a little bit of both. Simple as that.

[Blue&Orange]

Shitty teams does not equal a shitty team that is in it's VERY FIRST YEAR. The guys didn't even play one minute of basketball with each other the previous year. They are literally starting from SCRATCH. If you want to compare a poor team that has had a similar core and coaching staff for a number of years to an expansion team that is building everything from the ground up with zero experience as a team what so ever. Then you are either biased or stupid or a little bit of both. Simple as that.
You mean a team with looser players and looser coaching staff in a loosing environment vs a team starting fresh?

Yeah though choice. :confusedshrug:

Yeah players really play their worst after being traded to a new team :facepalm


Only a retard to try to argue about shitty teams.

[Blue&Orange]

yes children

67 > 72

and

12 < 17


marvelous stuff.

[guy]

Shitty teams does not equal a shitty team that is in it's VERY FIRST YEAR. The guys didn't even play one minute of basketball with each other the previous year. They are literally starting from SCRATCH. If you want to compare a poor team that has had a similar core and coaching staff for a number of years to an expansion team that is building everything from the ground up with zero experience as a team what so ever. Then you are either biased or stupid or a little bit of both. Simple as that.

The **** does that matter? So the Warriors were at this huge disadvantage cause they had to play the Lakers who's shit level of play was continuous from the year before instead of the 1996 Raptors? :oldlol:

[Duderonomy]

No, it wasn't nearly as impressive. Forget the win totals, and consider that of the Bulls' 10 losses:

3 of the 10 were by 1 point
7 of the 10 were by 6 points or less
9 of the 10 were by 10 points or less

Only one loss was by more than 10 points (a 30+ point blowout loss). Point is, those Bulls were basically "in" every game that season, and very easily could have had 74+ wins.
Typical Jordan fan http://memecrunch.com/meme/3CZA/it-ain-t-gay-if-its-in-a-3-way/image.jpg?w=400&c=1

[Im Still Ballin]

yes children

67 > 72

and

12 < 17


marvelous stuff.
73.

[riseagainst]

73.


:bowdown: