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KevinNYC
11-03-2015, 09:42 PM
Ahmad Chalabi, Iraqi Politician Who Pushed for US Invasion (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/04/world/middleeast/ahmad-chalabi-iraq-dead.html?_r=0), Dies at 71


Ahmad Chalabi, the Iraqi politician who from exile helped persuade the United States to invade Iraq in 2003, and then unsuccessfully tried to attain power as his country was nearly torn apart by sectarian violence, died on Tuesday at his home in Baghdad. He was 71.
The cause was heart failure, Iraqi officials said..
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His group, the Iraqi National Congress, would get more than $100 million from the C.I.A. and other agencies between its founding in 1992 and the start of the war. He cultivated friendships with a circle of hawkish Republicans — Dick Cheney, Douglas J. Feith, William J. Luti, Richard N. Perle and Paul D. Wolfowitz — who were central in the United States’ march to war, Mr. Cheney as vice president and the others as top Pentagon officials.

Promoted "Curveball" and other defectors peddling tales


....the group “attempted to influence United States policy on Iraq by providing false information through defectors directed at convincing the United States that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction and had links to terrorists.”

Probably the most notorious defector was Rafid Ahmed Alwan al-Janabi, code-named Curveball, the brother of a Chalabi aide. His false account of mobile bioweapons laboratories was cited by Secretary of State Colin L. Powell at the United Nations. But the Senate report found an “insufficient basis” to determine whether Curveball had provided his information at the behest of the Iraqi National Congress.

Mr. Janabi was just one of several defectors whose accounts were promoted by Mr. Chalabi’s group: Sabah Khalifa Khodada Alami and Abu Zeinab al-Qurairy claimed that Islamist terrorists had trained in the mid-1990s at a camp in Iraq called Salman Pak; Khidhir Hamza said that Mr. Hussein had tried to build a nuclear weapon in the early 1990s; and Adnan Ihsan Saeed al-Haideri told The New York Times that he had visited at least 20 secret weapons facilities in Iraq.

KevinNYC
11-03-2015, 09:46 PM
Wow.
In 2010, after a disputed parliamentary election that threatened to end the reign of Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki, Mr. Chalabi led an effort to purge Sunni politicians from positions of authority. By doing so, he helped Mr. Maliki consolidate power and alienated Sunnis — two factors that set the stage for the renaissance of the Sunni insurgency that later metastasized into the Islamic State.

KevinNYC
11-03-2015, 09:51 PM
You can't understand the events of 2002 and 2003 without understand the influence that Chalabi had at the highest levels of government.

The failure to plan for the aftermath of the original invasion, the lies about how easy a project this would be, so much of that comes back to Chalabi. Many folks at the highest level of government want to install Chalabi as the leader of Iraq.

KevinNYC
11-03-2015, 10:04 PM
He was a key figure in de-Baathification
Shrewd, calculating and driven, Mr. Chalabi will almost certainly be remembered within Iraq as an architect of the country’s de-Baathification policy.

That effort pushed thousands of members of Saddam Hussein’s Baath Party, many of whom were Sunni Muslims, out of government jobs and deepened resentments between Sunni and Shiite Iraqis. Years later, those divisions have only worsened, and they opened the door for the Islamic State militant group to seize large areas of Iraq’s Sunni heartland, creating a physical partition of Iraq that mirrored its sectarian differences.

Patrick Chewing
11-03-2015, 10:47 PM
Key figures "of our age"?


Really? :facepalm

rezznor
11-03-2015, 11:00 PM
You can't understand the events of 2002 and 2003 without understand the influence that Chalabi had at the highest levels of government.

The failure to plan for the aftermath of the original invasion, the lies about how easy a project this would be, so much of that comes back to Chalabi. Many folks at the highest level of government want to install Chalabi as the leader of Iraq.
it was easy to pull off for chalabi when that administration was looking for any excuse to invade.

fiddy
11-04-2015, 03:33 AM
OP sucks on three diсks for breakfast

KNOW1EDGE
11-04-2015, 04:43 AM
OP sucks on three diсks for breakfast

I'm not sure if that's appropriate but I'm positive it's true. OP is a loon

Draz
11-04-2015, 11:22 AM
Who

StephHamann
11-04-2015, 11:28 AM
He is nearly as important as Bahmad Bachabi

West-Side
11-04-2015, 11:32 AM
Who in the **** is he.
I thought one of the Kardashian's died, or Katy Perry. :facepalm

Mods delete thread.

KevinNYC
11-04-2015, 04:19 PM
Key figures "of our age"?
Easily.

Notes from reporters who covered him.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/world/article42689217.html#storylink=cpy

[QUOTE]"Perhaps no one is more responsible for persuading the U.S. to invade Iraq"

LJJ
11-04-2015, 04:31 PM
As if the US ever needed any convincing to get rid of a government they didn't like.

Kind of like with Syria today. Extremists giving even the smallest, unsubstantiated accounts of government wrongdoing? US is on the phone with Saudi Arabia the next day telling them to ship as many US made rockets, guns and equipment as they are able to, and covertly giving support directly.

Great going US :applause: U! S! A! U! S! A!

KevinNYC
11-04-2015, 04:45 PM
For folks who look at the Iraq War there is a consensus that three major mistakes were made

1. Not enough troops were sent to secure the country.
2. The Iraqi army was disbanded
3. We went after the Baath party, not just at the highest levels, but deep enough that basically tossed out the middle class of Iraq out of work.

Chalabi was influential in all of these and especially the second two.
The second two decisions were apparently not made by the President.

It was after the second two decisions were made that we started seeing the first attacks of the insurgency.

Nanners
11-04-2015, 05:17 PM
For folks who look at the Iraq War there is a consensus that three major mistakes were made

1. Not enough troops were sent to secure the country.
2. The Iraqi army was disbanded
3. We went after the Baath party, not just at the highest levels, but deep enough that basically tossed out the middle class of Iraq out of work.

Chalabi was influential in all of these and especially the second two.
The second two decisions were apparently not made by the President.

It was after the second two decisions were made that we started seeing the first attacks of the insurgency.

for folks with common sense and empathy there is a consensus that everything about iraq was a major mistake

KevinNYC
11-04-2015, 07:38 PM
for folks with common sense and empathy there is a consensus that everything about iraq was a major mistake
I meant in the aftermath of the invasion, but we'll note your empathy.