Why is Bosh continuing to shoot spot up jumpers?

[Hey Yo]

I was told many times on here that LeBron made him a spot up jump shooter.

Why does Bosh continue to spot up w/o James???

Bosh tonight is currently 1-7 outside the paint.

[dubeta]

He's always been a spot up shooter, even in Toronto, people just never watched him

[Lebronxrings]

because thats all hes good for.


Allergic to the paint
passive
weak
not an elite big man

[ShaqTwizzle]

Because he doesn't and has never had a back 2 the basket game.
He was always a faceup slasher/shooter.

Bosh is overrated. He was never even on the Gasol tier for me.

Offensively he reminds me of a poor mans David Robinson who also often struggled with his offense in the playoffs or against tough opponents.

Look at his playoff resume.
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One cruddy run in 07.
One solid (5 game) run in 08.
Decent run in 2011 but averaged 18 / 7 on .496%TS in the Finals.
Has been a 14 / 7 guy in the playoff since with injury/consistency issues.

As he gets older I would expect him to slash less and shoot more jumpers.

People overhype Bosh.
I have always liked him and he has plenty of talent and solid size/athletic ability but I don't think he is that great a player even for a #2.

People who think he is good enough to lead a team somewhere as the #1 now (as he should given his contract) are fooling themselves.

[dubeta]

Lamar Odom was better than Chris Bosh, yet Kobe stans never admit this.

[SouBeachTalents]

Because he doesn't and has never had a back 2 the basket game.
He was always a faceup slasher/shooter.

Bosh is overrated. He was never even on the Gasol tier for me.

Offensively he reminds me of a poor mans David Robinson who also often struggled with his offense in the playoffs or against tough opponents.

Look at his playoff resume.
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One cruddy run in 07.
One solid run in 08.
Decent run in 2011 but averaged 18 / 7 on .496%TS in the Finals.
Has been a 14 / 7 guy in the playoff since with injury/consistency issues.

As he gets older I would expect him to slash less and shoot more jumpers.

People overhype Bosh.
I have always liked him and he has plenty of talent and solid size/athletic ability but I don't think he is that great a player even for a #2.

People who think he is good enough to lead a team somewhere as the #1 now (as he should given his contract) are fooling themselves.

:applause: Even his one "solid" run in '08 was a 5 game loss in the first round where he got badly outplayed by Dwight. The two things that really jump out to me about Bosh are

1. He's missed the playoffs 6/8 seasons without LeBron in the East aka the worst conference of all time. I don't think people realize how bad that is. Not just lost in the first round, MISSED the playoffs where sub 40 wins typically gets you in
2. He has ONE All-NBA selection in his career, from 8 seasons ago, when Bush was still president

And people still call this dude a superstar :lol

[Nuff Said]

Muscle memory.

[LAZERUSS]

:applause: Even his one "solid" run in '08 was a 5 game loss in the first round where he got badly outplayed by Dwight. The two things that really jump out to me about Bosh are

1. He's missed the playoffs 6/8 seasons without LeBron in the East aka the worst conference of all time. I don't think people realize how bad that is. Not just lost in the first round, MISSED the playoffs where sub 40 wins typically gets you in
2. He has ONE All-NBA selection in his career, from 8 seasons ago, when Bush was still president

And people still call this dude a superstar :lol

This.

:applause: :applause: :applause:

[DaOldLion]

Bran stans are such shit :oldlol:

their boy had a 10x all star as his 3rd ****ing option and yet they still feel the need to complain about him :roll:

[Trollsmasher]

Whiteside is holding him back

Bosh and Wade are so great their combined impact can't match that of some dude who's played in China and even fvcking Lebanon

I still can't believe LeBron somehow managed to bring those two soft chumps to two titles

[ShaqTwizzle]

Bran stans are such shit :oldlol:

their boy had a 10x all star as his 3rd ****ing option and yet they still feel the need to complain about him :roll:

Was 3rd option Bosh really better then 3rd option Odom?
Maybe in 2011 he was but after that...

Playoff stats
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12-14 Bosh : 13.6 / 6.8 / 1.1-apg on 56%TS
08-10 Odom : 12.0 / 9.2 / 2.2-apg on 55%TS

:kobe:

[SouBeachTalents]

Whiteside is holding him back

Bosh and Wade are so great their combined impact can't match that of some dude who's played in China and even fvcking Lebanon

I still can't believe LeBron somehow managed to bring those two soft chumps to two titles

Lol, Wade's past his prime and has put up 20+ points every game, and was a legitimately great player in his prime that won a championship. Don't lump him in with Bosh

[DaOldLion]

Was 3rd option Bosh really better then 3rd option Odom?
Maybe in 2011 he was but after that...

Playoff stats
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12-14 Bosh : 13.6 / 6.8 / 1.1-apg on 56%TS
08-10 Odom : 12.0 / 9.2 / 2.2-apg on 55%TS

:kobe:

Maybe in 2011? LMAO Bosh put up 19/9 during the 2011 playoffs, and outscored Lebron in the finals.. remind me when Odom outscored Kobe in the finals?

why would you eliminate Bosh's best year in the playoffs with the HEAT where he averaged 19/9.. just because Lebron ****ed up in the finals doens't void the fact that Bosh was an all time great third option that year :oldlol:

Bosh from 11-14 in the regular season gave them 17/7 for 4 years as a third option, the luxury of having that for 82 games per year taking pressure off Wade/Lebron is an awesome luxury to have

In the playoffs from 11-14 Bosh averaged 15/7 on 56% TS.. those are great numbers for a guy who gets zero offense ran for him.

and most importantly ...



why does everything on here get related back to Kobe, ya'll are insecure as **** :oldlol:

[Paul George 24]

Lebron's fault

[Paul George 24]

He's always been a spot up shooter, even in Toronto, people just never watched him

No,he was not fall in love with 3 points shoot in raptors days,it is lebron's fault,he made him become a worse player

[aj1987]

Maybe in 2011? LMAO Bosh put up 19/9 during the 2011 playoffs, and outscored Lebron in the finals.. remind me when Odom outscored Kobe in the finals?
Bosh shot like shit in the Finals it's not like he had a good series.


why would you eliminate Bosh's best year in the playoffs with the HEAT where he averaged 19/9.. just because Lebron ****ed up in the finals doens't void the fact that Bosh was an all time great third option that year

Bosh from '11-'14 - 14.9 PPG 7.1 RPG 1.1 APG on 56% TS
Odom from '08-'10 - 12.0 PPG 9.2 RPG 2.2 APG on 55%TS


Bosh from 11-14 in the regular season gave them 17/7 for 4 years as a third option, the luxury of having that for 82 games per year taking pressure off Wade/Lebron is an awesome luxury to have
Just like Pau and Kobe had Odom and Bynum. They literally had the most stacked FC in the league.


In the playoffs from 11-14 Bosh averaged 15/7 on 56% TS.. those are great numbers for a guy who gets zero offense ran for him.
And there it is. Download a couple of Heat games form '11-'14 and watch them.

[TrueBlue89]

He's a Lamar Odom with greenlight. Biggest fraud in NBA history. Cannot believe he's a 10 time all star.

[Wade's Rings]

:applause: Even his one "solid" run in '08 was a 5 game loss in the first round where he got badly outplayed by Dwight. The two things that really jump out to me about Bosh are

1. He's missed the playoffs 6/8 seasons without LeBron in the East aka the worst conference of all time. I don't think people realize how bad that is. Not just lost in the first round, MISSED the playoffs where sub 40 wins typically gets you in
2. He has ONE All-NBA selection in his career, from 8 seasons ago, when Bush was still president

And people still call this dude a superstar :lol

The East had 2 Contenders 2004-2006 and 3 Contenders 2009-2010. It wasn't that awful and last year Bosh didn't play after the All-Star Break.

[DaOldLion]

Bosh shot like shit in the Finals it's not like he had a good series.

Remind me when Lamar Odom outscored Kobe in the finals.. i'll wait...


Bosh from '11-'14 - 14.9 PPG 7.1 RPG 1.1 APG on 56% TS
Odom from '08-'10 - 12.0 PPG 9.2 RPG 2.2 APG on 55%TS

Bosh = 18 PER; .150 WS/48

Odom = 16 PER; .137 WS/48

Bosh = 17/7 in the regular season; Odom = 12/8..

Just like Pau and Kobe had Odom and Bynum. They literally had the most stacked FC in the league.

:oldlol: :oldlol:

Bynum in the 09 playoffs = 6/4

Bynum in 10 playoffs = 9/7


Odom & Bynum combined in the 09 playoffs = 18/13

Bosh in 2011 = 19/9

Houston, SAS, Mavs, Denver, Celtics and Orlando all had claims to being the best FC, Orlando easily being better as 09-10 Howard was a beast and Rashard Lewis was consistently putting up 18 ppg, Hedo putting up 16ppg, Gortat off the bench etc etc




..

[aj1987]

Remind me when Lamar Odom outscored Kobe in the finals.. i'll wait...
How is that even relevant to them having similar stats?

Not Odom, but IIRC, Kobe got outscored by Austin Croshere in the '00 Finals.


Bosh = 18 PER; .150 WS/48

Odom = 16 PER; .137 WS/48

Bosh = 17/7 in the regular season; Odom = 12/8..
So basically, when it mattered, Odom stepped up to save Kobe. Is that what you're trying to say?


Bynum in the 09 playoffs = 6/4

Bynum in 10 playoffs = 9/7
Odom & Bynum combined in the 09 playoffs = 18/13

Bosh in 2011 = 19/9
You do know that Gasol doesn't play 1-3, right?


Houston, SAS, Mavs, Denver, Celtics and Orlando all had claims to being the best FC, Orlando easily being better as 09-10 Howard was a beast and Rashard Lewis was consistently putting up 18 ppg, Hedo putting up 16ppg, Gortat off the bench etc etc
They were the #1 and #2 rebounding teams in the NBA, Howard got shut the **** down by LA's FC, and yes, they were the best FC in the league.

[GrapeApe]

Lol, Wade's past his prime and has put up 20+ points every game, and was a legitimately great player in his prime that won a championship. Don't lump him in with Bosh

Yeah, Wade has been really good so far this year at 22/5/3 on 58%TS in 30 mpg. I'll take that stat line from a 34 year old SG any day.

Bosh seriously needs to get his ass in gear. I'm one of his biggest defenders but he's shooting 38% from the floor and is on pace to attempt over 380 3 pointers for the season. That's insane.

[aj1987]

Whiteside is holding him back

Bosh and Wade are so great their combined impact can't match that of some dude who's played in China and even fvcking Lebanon

I still can't believe LeBron somehow managed to bring those two soft chumps to two titles
Wade without LeBron = 1x NBA champ and 1x FMVP
LeBron without Wade = Ringless

Wade - 3 Rings
LeBron - 2 Rings

Deal with it.

[dubeta]

That 2013 Heat supporting cast might have been the worst in NBA History

[SouBeachTalents]

That 2013 Heat supporting cast might have been the worst in NBA History

If that's the case it's very impressive LeBron won 66 games, 27 in a row, AND a championship basically all by himself :bowdown: :bowdown:

[dubeta]

If that's the case it's very impressive LeBron won 66 games, 27 in a row, AND a championship basically all by himself :bowdown: :bowdown:

He basically did, he had the highest PER in the league, averaged 27/8/7 on 56% FG, 40% from 3, and Wade missed like 18 games

It was basically all LeBron




In the playoffs Wade averaged 15 ppg on 45%, Bosh averaged 12/6, ie. they were role players




So yea, literally you are right, it was basically all LeBron

[GrapeApe]

That 2013 Heat supporting cast might have been the worst in NBA History

Yeah, it's not like there were 2 current all stars and 3 future HOFers or anything. I mean, what team in history DIDN'T have a 21/5/5/2/1 on 52% and 24 PER second option and a 17/7 on 59%TS and 20 PER 3rd option. Pretty much every team in history has also had the all time NBA 3 point leader come off their bench. That team was lucky to even make the playoffs tbh.

[Wade's Rings]

He basically did, he had the highest PER in the league, averaged 27/8/7 on 56% FG, 40% from 3, and Wade missed like 18 games

It was basically all LeBron




In the playoffs Wade averaged 15 ppg on 45%, Bosh averaged 12/6, ie. they were role players




So yea, literally you are right, it was basically all LeBron

Wade played 69 Games and he put up 16/5/5 in the Playoffs. You're rounding down 15.9 to 15, come on dubeta you're slipping :oldlol:

[francesco totti]

I think he is hurting playing PF, then a center. I think at Center role he was more valuable, because he can basically space the floor with his shooting.
Now that he is playing next to a legit center like Whiteside, he is losing that importance. I dont speak of numbers, but importance.

[GrapeApe]

He basically did, he had the highest PER in the league, averaged 27/8/7 on 56% FG, 40% from 3, and Wade missed like 18 games

It was basically all LeBron




In the playoffs Wade averaged 15 ppg on 45%, Bosh averaged 12/6, ie. they were role players




So yea, literally you are right, it was basically all LeBron

Why do you feel the need to constantly lie about Wade and Bosh's numbers? Why lie about Wade's missed games?

You bring up Lebron's PER, well Wade had the best PER of any second option in the league. It certainly wasn't "all Lebron", and without Wade stepping up in the finals, the Heat don't win. Pop even called Wade's play in games 4-7 the catalyst to their victory. Ray Allen had a little bit do do with it to.

[DaOldLion]

How is that even relevant to them having similar stats?

Not Odom, but IIRC, Kobe got outscored by Austin Croshere in the '00 Finals.

what does that have to do with Kobe/Lebron's 3rd options in their FMVP years.. try to stay on topic little guy

So basically, when it mattered, Odom stepped up to save Kobe. Is that what you're trying to say?

yeah.. if that's what you took away from bosh having a better playoff PER & WS, while being better in the regular season.. :wtf:

You do know that Gasol doesn't play 1-3, right?

You brought up Odom and Bynum.. Bosh in 11 was just as good as they were combined in 09.. again.. try to stay on topic..

They were the #1 and #2 rebounding teams in the NBA, Howard got shut the **** down by LA's FC, and yes, they were the best FC in the league.

terrible argument, there are so many other determining factors other than rebounding, that's like saying Deron Williams and Ronnie Brewer were the best back court because they led the league in assist.. :oldlol:

and I wouldn't call Howard averaging 15/15 with 4 blocks "getting shut the **** down"

The Magic had both their center and pf make the all star team, and the Celtics, Magic, Orlando all had bigs who made the all nba defensive team while the Lakers had 0.

Their best big was Pau who was all nba 3rd team, didn't make the all nba defensive team while the Spurs, Celtics, Mavs, Houston, Suns all had bigs place higher than Pau on the all nba team, and all of those players played on good teams who had good to great depth in the FC




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[dubeta]

Why do you feel the need to constantly lie about Wade and Bosh's numbers? Why lie about Wade's missed games?

You bring up Lebron's PER, well Wade had the best PER of any second option in the league. It certainly wasn't "all Lebron", and without Wade stepping up in the finals, the Heat don't win. Pop even called Wade's play in games 4-7 the catalyst to their victory. Ray Allen had a little bit do do with it to.


Who was better in 2013, LeBron or Wade

[dubeta]

From the entire playoffs from 2013-2014 Wade only literally had 1 good game (Game 4 in the 2013 Finals) Outside of that 1 game, he was mediocre in 2013-2014






It's kinda like LeBrons 2011 in reverse, LeBron was great except for 1 game (Game 4 of 2011 finals) yet he gets shit on far more than Wade



LeBron = great except for 1 game


Wade = mediocre except for 1 game (in 2 full playoffs)

[warriorfan]

From the entire playoffs from 2013-2014 Wade only literally had 1 good game (Game 4 in the 2013 Finals) Outside of that 1 game, he was mediocre in 2013-2014






It's kinda like LeBrons 2011 in reverse, LeBron was great except for 1 game (Game 4 of 2011 finals) yet he gets shit on far more than Wade



LeBron = great except for 1 game


Wade = mediocre except for 1 game (in 2 full playoffs)

LeBron needs Wade performing on superstar level in order to win.

Curry needs a bootleg ass Klay Thompson.

[dubeta]

LeBron needs Wade performing on superstar level in order to win.

Iggy needs a bootleg ass Curry.



Wade was a spot-up shooter in 2013, not a superstar

[GrapeApe]

From the entire playoffs from 2013-2014 Wade only literally had 1 good game (Game 4 in the 2013 Finals) Outside of that 1 game, he was mediocre in 2013-2014






It's kinda like LeBrons 2011 in reverse, LeBron was great except for 1 game (Game 4 of 2011 finals) yet he gets shit on far more than Wade



LeBron = great except for 1 game


Wade = mediocre except for 1 game (in 2 full playoffs)

Again, more lies, but that's just who you are so whatever.

I'm not going to do a game by game breakdown, but I'll name a few. Wade put up 23/10 on 52% in game 7 in the 2013 finals. I'd say that qualifies as good.

He also put up 25/10/4/2/1 in game 5 and 21/9 in game 7 of the ECF.

He had several strong games in the 2014 playoffs, including a stretch of 6 straight games scoring over 20 points. He was bad in the finals though, nobody argues that.

[aj1987]

what does that have to do with Kobe/Lebron's 3rd options in their FMVP years.. try to stay on topic little guy
I guess you weren't alive back then, kid. Might be somewhere on YT.


yeah.. if that's what you took away from bosh having a better playoff PER & WS, while being better in the regular season..
Basically the same stats, while one guy's dipped in the PO's and the others increased. :cheers:


You brought up Odom and Bynum.. Bosh in 11 was just as good as they were combined in 09.. again.. try to stay on topic..
:roll:

Idiot.


Just like Pau and Kobe had Odom and Bynum. They literally had the most stacked FC in the league.
I was talking about how they had a STACKED ass FC, which CONSISTED of Pau as well, you replied with nonsensical BS.

Goldfish memory.


terrible argument, there are so many other determining factors other than rebounding, that's like saying Deron Williams and Ronnie Brewer were the best back court because they led the league in assist..
The Lakers FC was basically the best rebounding, one of the highest scoring, and one of the best defensive FC's in the league. You might want to look up the stats.



and I wouldn't call Howard averaging 15/15 with 4 blocks "getting shut the **** down"
RS - 21/14/3 on 57%

First 3 rounds - 22/15/3 on 62% with 3 TOV's

Finals - 15/15/4 on 49% with 4 TOV's

[Paul George 24]

Another case for leflop makes player become worse player :applause: