When is Anthony Davis going to wake up

[TrueBlue89]

3-12 in another loss. Easily outplayed by the soft Euro Vucevic.

ESPN ranked him the 2nd best player in the game, he was the pre-season favorite for DPOY/MVP and labelled the best talent the game has ever seen. Not good enough.

I don't want to see anyone bring up his coach either. LeBron, KD, Harden have made idiots like Mike Brown, Scott Brooks & McHale millions. No excuses, Gentry's high powered offense led the Warriors to a record breaking season.

Time to wake up and lead this team to at least the 8th seed. Wolves and the Jazz look good.

[Jameerthefear]

This new Vooch ain't soft. Y'all need to get the memo. Vooch SHIT on him

[bigkingsfan]

He has 145 Million reasons to not give a fk.

[LoneyROY7]

He's been overrated.

[warriorfan]

He's been overrated.

He has been.

He is near 7 foot and long and very athletic with a real nice jumper but he hasn't put it all together. Even though he may has gotten more credit than he has deserved at this point I'm not going to count him out yet.

[BlakFrankWhite]

Put 2014 KD on this team instead of Davis.

And the Pels wouldve been 4-0

[GIF REACTION]

wf is a sj

[SwishSquared]

Wait until Tyreke comes back, at least, if he hasn't already. Jrue's also on a minutes restriction. Is Norris Cole still injured?

I'm not making excuses for the guy, but adding some context. Aren't their PGs Ish Smith and Tony Douglas? I think they're missing Pontdexter more than people realize.

AD should be playing a LOT better but we know he plays *much* better when others create for him. That's the hole in his game- creating effectively for himself and his teammates. Dude isn't at that level yet.

[LoneyROY7]

Wait until Tyreke comes back, at least, if he hasn't already. Jrue's also on a minutes restriction. Is Norris Cole still injured?

I'm not making excuses for the guy, but adding some context. Aren't their PGs Ish Smith and Tony Douglas? I think they're missing Pontdexter more than people realize.

So he needs Tyreke Evans to play well? :oldlol:

[fragokota]

3-12 in another loss. Easily outplayed by the soft Euro Vucevic.

ESPN ranked him the 2nd best player in the game, he was the pre-season favorite for DPOY/MVP and labelled the best talent the game has ever seen. Not good enough.

I don't want to see anyone bring up his coach either. LeBron, KD, Harden have made idiots like Mike Brown, Scott Brooks & McHale millions. No excuses, Gentry's high powered offense led the Warriors to a record breaking season.

Time to wake up and lead this team to at least the 8th seed. Wolves and the Jazz look good.

When was that being said? :wtf:

[FreezingTsmoove]

He gained way too much weight in the off season and lifted too much weight as well. Should have just focused on playing basketball

[warriorfan]

He gained way too much weight in the off season and lifted too much weight as well. Should have just focused on playing basketball

Especially since he is a natural face up player rather than back to the basket. It would help him secure positions for rebounds but overall I don't think it's worth it for him to try to bulk up extremely.

[SwishSquared]

So he needs Tyreke Evans to play well? :oldlol:Over Ish Smith & Toney Douglas? Yeah. What do you expect, honestly? Isn't this Ish's like 8th team in 6 years or something? Douglas was last relevant when the Heat thought he would make a good rotation guard on a title team (we saw how that worked out haha).

AD's stats prove it- he shoots at a much higher clip on assisted shots and we can see him struggle to create for himself and others. That's not his game. It may be in the future, but he needs others to get him in spots for him to finish.

I think you quoted me before I finished editing my last post, so some of this is repetitive haha.

Also, for context, I didn't pick AD to win either DPoY or MVP. Didn't think he'd have the team record to get MVP or the overall team D or individual stats to get DPoY.

[LoneyROY7]

Over Ish Smith & Toney Douglas? Yeah. What do you expect, honestly? Isn't this Ish's like 8th team in 6 years or something? Douglas was last relevant when the Heat thought he would make a good rotation guard on a title team (we saw how that worked out haha).

AD's stats prove it- he shoots at a much higher clip on assisted shots and we can see him struggle to create for himself and others. That's not his game. It may be in the future, but he needs others to get him in spots for him to finish.

I think you quoted me before I finished editing my last post, so some of this is repetitive haha.

Also, for context, I didn't pick AD to win either DPoY or MVP. Didn't think he'd have the team record to get MVP or the overall team D or individual stats to get DPoY.

I do agree with this. His inability to create his own offense is a big reason why I think people were too quick to crown him the next big thing.

[warriorfan]

Over Ish Smith & Toney Douglas? Yeah. What do you expect, honestly? Isn't this Ish's like 8th team in 6 years or something? Douglas was last relevant when the Heat thought he would make a good rotation guard on a title team (we saw how that worked out haha).

AD's stats prove it- he shoots at a much higher clip on assisted shots and we can see him struggle to create for himself and others. That's not his game. It may be in the future, but he needs others to get him in spots for him to finish.

I think you quoted me before I finished editing my last post, so some of this is repetitive haha.

Also, for context, I didn't pick AD to win either DPoY or MVP. Didn't think he'd have the team record to get MVP or the overall team D or individual stats to get DPoY.

I don't think many people expected AD to be DPoY. His offensive game is more advanced than his defensive game at this point. It's very rare for a player to dominate on defense in his young 20's. Star players develop slower defensively than offensively usually, there hasn't been that many players who have won DPOY while under 25 years of age.

[retaxis]

Quite the contrary in my opinion star player bigs typically dominate more defensively when they are young as opposed to offensively. Offence is learned and perfected over time e.g hakeem, dwight. Defence in basketball is just hustle

[SwishSquared]

I don't think many people expected AD to be DPoY. His offensive game is more advanced than his defensive game at this point. It's very rare for a player to dominate on defense in his young 20's. Star players develop slower defensively than offensively usually, there hasn't been that many players who have won DPOY while under 25 years of age.I think there were a few media guys pushing the DPoY talk. I don't think he's not a game-changed on D, but the overall team needs to be good on D for a guy to be named the best defensive player. Or his defensive stats have to jump off the page. They didn't last season (if memory serves correct) and I wouldn't expect them to this year.

I'd be shocked if AD doesn't win both an MVP and DPoY (in separate seasons most likely) in his career but I don't think this is the season he gets either.

[warriorfan]

I think there were a few media guys pushing the DPoY talk. I don't think he's not a game-changed on D, but the overall team needs to be good on D for a guy to be named the best defensive player. Or his defensive stats have to jump off the page. They didn't last season (if memory serves correct) and I wouldn't expect them to this year.

I'd be shocked if AD doesn't win both an MVP and DPoY (in separate seasons most likely) in his career but I don't think this is the season he gets either.

Agreed on all your points. I don't think it's smart for media guys pushing the DPoY talk this early for AD though. He has the potential but he just hasn't shown it to us yet, but I believe he will get there eventually. (Which is understandable because like I said, bigs don't usually walk into the league dominating on defense, it takes them a few years.)

[SwishSquared]

I do agree with this. His inability to create his own offense is a big reason why I think people were too quick to crown him the next big thing.I have no problem crowning him the next big thing but people need to realize he still has flaws. You clearly get that and others in this thread see it. The good news is his obvious abilities clearly outweigh his few flaws the majority of the time.

People forget this guy needs a real team around him, especially since he relies on a playmaker to set him up for most of his looks.

I'm also a bit salty that the Pelicans didn't rebuild properly and traded 3 first rounders, Vasquez (who was traded for a first round pick this offseason), and RoLo to acquire Jrue, Tyreke, and Asik. This team otherwise would be swimming in young talent and cap space in the coming years.

[outbreak]

I have no problem crowning him the next big thing but people need to realize he still has flaws. You clearly get that and others in this thread see it. The good news is his obvious abilities clearly outweigh his few flaws the majority of the time.

People forget this guy needs a real team around him, especially since he relies on a playmaker to set him up for most of his looks.

I'm also a bit salty that the Pelicans didn't rebuild properly and traded 3 first rounders, Vasquez (who was traded for a first round pick this offseason), and RoLo to acquire Jrue, Tyreke, and Asik. This team otherwise would be swimming in young talent and cap space in the coming years.

Agree. It's frustrating they tried to rush the rebuild by taking mediocre players. Would have rather they built a solid young core for Davis even if it meant missing the play offs for a few years.

[Jameerthefear]

davis isn't really an impactful defender yet. he'll never be that "dwight" super level defender imo

[SwishSquared]

Agreed on all your points. I don't think it's smart for media guys pushing the DPoY talk this early for AD though. He has the potential but he just hasn't shown it to us yet, but I believe he will get there eventually. (Which is understandable because like I said, bigs don't usually walk into the league dominating on defense, it takes them a few years.)I don't disagree with it taking some bigs time to develop into dominant defensive players. There are exceptions, such as Gobert (in his second year broke out), Nerlens Noel (had a great defensive season as a rookie). I just think it depends on what your specialty is, I guess, as you enter the league.

Also, AD was #2 amongst PFs last year in DPM, if you put stock into that stat. He's good at defense, if not great, already. But New Orleans wasn't that great defensively last season, mostly due to missing Jrue and not having a real wing defender until they traded for Q-Pon.

[warriorfan]

davis isn't really an impactful defender yet. he'll never be that "dwight" super level defender imo

Well it's not going that far out on a limb to say that he wont be as good as one of the best defenders of all time.

Davis shouldn't strive to emulate Dwight, he should strive to emulate Garnett. He might not be the leaper that Dwight is but Davis has better lateral movement. He should aim to master defending the pick and roll rather than trying to be an old fashioned rim protector. It not only suits his abilities better but it is the better overall option in defending against modern day offenses.

[Jameerthefear]

Well it's not going that far out on a limb to say that he wont be as good as one of the best defenders of all time.

Davis shouldn't strive to emulate Dwight, he should strive to emulate Garnett. He might not be the leaper that Dwight is but Davis has better lateral movement. He should aim to master defending the pick and roll rather than trying to be an old fashioned rim protector. It not only suits his abilities better but it is the better overall option in defending against modern day offenses.
Well Dwight was the best PnR defender in the L for several years but I see where you're coming from. He's still doing well now, blocking a ton of shots

[warriorfan]

I don't disagree with it taking some bigs time to develop into dominant defensive players. There are exceptions, such as Gobert (in his second year broke out), Nerlens Noel (had a great defensive season as a rookie). I just think it depends on what your specialty is, I guess, as you enter the league.

Also, AD was #2 amongst PFs last year in DPM, if you put stock into that stat. He's good at defense, if not great, already. But New Orleans wasn't that great defensively last season, mostly due to missing Jrue and not having a real wing defender until they traded for Q-Pon.

You are right, they did have a shaky make up defensively if you remove Jrue and Pondexter who were their best wing defenders. While I respect the DPM metrics, I would like to see AD lead his squad to a legit defense before he gets touted as an elite defensive player.

[SwishSquared]

Agree. It's frustrating they tried to rush the rebuild by taking mediocre players. Would have rather they built a solid young core for Davis even if it meant missing the play offs for a few years.They did so many things wrong. It's literally what Cleveland did the first time they had LBJ. They traded picks and acquired vets on multi-year deals and handicapped flexibility. Like you said, it would have required patience, but this team would be so much better off for it.

That same summer that they got Jrue & Tyreke they could have taken GSW's garbage in the Iggy S&T. Utah got 2 firsts and 2 second rounders out of that. Rodney Hood was one of those picks and is already a contributor. If Exum didn't tear his ACL, he would have been starting at SG over Burks (just starting a $11M/yr extension fwiw). He's still starting, but I think Burks is too out of necessity.

They could have nabbed Dudley + a future Clippers first when Doc dumped him last summer. They could have traded Dudley to a contender midyear.

They obviously blew trading the Noel pick + future first for Jrue. They wouldn't have needed Asik then (and would have likely had a lotto pick this past draft).

If they didn't get Tyreke, I think they finish with worse than the 9th worst record or w/e in 2013-2014. Their draft position likely wouldn't have been 10th. If they didn't get Tyrke, they could have gotten better value for RoLo and Vasquez.

This team should have had room for 2 max deals next summer and should have had Noel + 2 more lotto picks. All because an owner mandated they make a playoff push :facepalm

[warriorfan]

Well Dwight was the best PnR defender in the L for several years but I see where you're coming from. He's still doing well now, blocking a ton of shots

Yeah, if anything he could aim to be a Dwight/Garnett hybrid and change the game. The potential is there. A lot of the time we try to pigeon hole players into certain categories based on their prior peers when no two players are exactly alike when it's all said and done.

[warriorfan]

They did so many things wrong. It's literally what Cleveland did the first time they had LBJ. They traded picks and acquired vets on multi-year deals and handicapped flexibility. Like you said, it would have required patience, but this team would be so much better off for it.

That same summer that they got Jrue & Tyreke they could have taken GSW's garbage in the Iggy S&T. Utah got 2 firsts and 2 second rounders out of that. Rodney Hood was one of those picks and is already a contributor. If Exum didn't tear his ACL, he would have been starting at SG over Burks (just starting a $11M/yr extension fwiw). He's still starting, but I think Burks is too out of necessity.

They could have nabbed Dudley + a future Clippers first when Doc dumped him last summer. They could have traded Dudley to a contender midyear.

They obviously blew trading the Noel pick + future first for Jrue. They wouldn't have needed Asik then (and would have likely had a lotto pick this past draft).

If they didn't get Tyreke, I think they finish with worse than the 9th worst record or w/e in 2013-2014. Their draft position likely wouldn't have been 10th. If they didn't get Tyrke, they could have gotten better value for RoLo and Vasquez.

This team should have had room for 2 max deals next summer and should have had Noel + 2 more lotto picks. All because an owner mandated they make a playoff push :facepalm

Good things come to those who wait. And also to those whom are not Pelican fans.

[SwishSquared]

Good things come to those who wait. And also to those whom are not Pelican fans.New Orleans bball fans have been shafted by ownership for the most part for years now. Even during the CP3 era.

Stern arranged for the rebuild at least. Who knows where this team would be if he didn't do that.

Also agree with you in regards to AD showing he can lead a defense before anybody crowns him DPoY.

[Marchesk]

Remember last season at some point when AD was sporting something like a 38 PER and all the ISH talk was how he was going to blow Wilt's PER record out of the water?

[warriorfan]

Remember last season at some point when AD was sporting something like a 38 PER and all the ISH talk was how he was going to blow Wilt's PER record out of the water?

No one here has mentioned Wilt in days. Stand down soilder.

[Marchesk]

No one here has mentioned Wilt in days. Stand down soilder.

I try to mention him once or twice every day I'm on here.

[JimmyMcAdocious]

I try to mention him once or twice every day I'm on here.

Congrats, you met your quota for today in one thread.

[LoneyROY7]

Remember last season at some point when AD was sporting something like a 38 PER and all the ISH talk was how he was going to blow Wilt's PER record out of the water?

:roll:

Curry > Wilt.

[Funktion]

Alvin Gentry

[Marchesk]

:roll:

Curry > Wilt.

Curry is a modern day West if he keeps it up over his career. Props to him.

[LoneyROY7]

Curry is a modern day West if he keeps it up over his career. Props to him.

Well, he has the same amount of rings in 8 less tries...so I'd say he already has a leg up.

[Marchesk]

Well, he has the same amount of rings in 8 less tries...so I'd say he already has a leg up.

And Hondo has 8 times as many rings.

[Lebron23]

Andre Drummond is playing better than Davis this season. He had 29 points, and 25 rebounds vs. Pacers

[LoneyROY7]

And Hondo has 8 times as many rings.

How old are you?

[Naero]

Aside from D'Angelo Russell, who's slowly yet tentatively making strides, I don't think any player has disappointingly underachieved expectations as much as Anthony Davis so far. Considering his prior trajectory, I expected him to establish an incipient reputation as the league-best player this season; while it is not too late to turn that around, I can't be disregardful to how dramatically he's shortfell those expectations so far.

Some of the more conservative estimators of his greatness may hold him to different standards and give him a pass due to Alvin Gentry's misdirected offense, but I am not going to be as hasty. As the team-leader, a BITW candidate, and the nucleus of this team, Davis has the clout to supersede the offense when it serves the best interest of his team. It's part of harboring the killer-instinct mentality that's only been a commonality to many all-time-great players, and his subservient mentality to his coaches and teammates have been signifying warning signs in that regard.

Either way, the Pelicans are in a miss right now, and since Gentry's only in the first year of a four-year, $13-million contract, they'll be better off rehauling the system as opposed to terminating him prematurely. Since Davis is the cornerstone of this franchise moving into the future, the offensive system needs to cater to him predominantly, not vice versa.

[Marchesk]

How old are you?

Before Mikan was I AM.

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[Paul George 24]

Quite the contrary in my opinion star player bigs typically dominate more defensively when they are young as opposed to offensively. Offence is learned and perfected over time e.g hakeem, dwight. Defence in basketball is just hustle
dwight :roll:

[Paul George 24]

davis isn't really an impactful defender yet. he'll never be that "dwight" super level defender imo
dwight is the most overrated defender who only know rely on his vetical leap :lol

[dunksby]

Remember last season at some point when AD was sporting something like a 38 PER and all the ISH talk was how he was going to blow Wilt's PER record out of the water?
Didn't he finish at 31PER or something? Davis and Wilt are about the same post game wise as well.

[dhsilv]

3-12 in another loss. Easily outplayed by the soft Euro Vucevic.

ESPN ranked him the 2nd best player in the game, he was the pre-season favorite for DPOY/MVP and labelled the best talent the game has ever seen. Not good enough.

I don't want to see anyone bring up his coach either. LeBron, KD, Harden have made idiots like Mike Brown, Scott Brooks & McHale millions. No excuses, Gentry's high powered offense led the Warriors to a record breaking season.

Time to wake up and lead this team to at least the 8th seed. Wolves and the Jazz look good.

Where did ESPN rank him as a player, and second? Does espn even do a ranking like that?

With that being said, we're 4 games in. You can take some things from these first 4 games. Like Davis really is shooting a lot from 3. 2.8 shots a game seems high, however it isn't preventing him getting to the line.

You can't really claim Davis is or is not the best player or whatever in the game. That will take a much bigger sample size and even with the threes and free throws....all that can be adjusted. We're not even 1/10th of the way into the season.

[GIF REACTION]

I haven't been watching, but I'm going to take a guess that weight gain has not helped him

[dhsilv]

Especially since he is a natural face up player rather than back to the basket. It would help him secure positions for rebounds but overall I don't think it's worth it for him to try to bulk up extremely.

He's struggled to stay on the court. The size should help with that, HOWEVER it does take time to adjust to playing at a higher weight and it might have been too much too soon. Then again it's been 4 games. He's moving well. The offense has changed and his shots aren't falling like one would hope. He's not made the changes defensively yet to allow him to maximize his defensive athletic skills.

All and all nothing so far is really out of line based on all of 4 games.

[k0kakw0rld]

This is what happens when they anticipate you becoming something special. #hypetoobigforhim #overrated

[TrueBlue89]

dwight is the most overrated defender who only know rely on his vetical leap :lol

:biggums:

Jesus Christ you're a retard. Please stop posting.

[keep-itreal]

I'll never take this guy seriously again.

Calling yourself the best player in the world even though you never even won a playoff game. And now 0-3 and shooting like shit?

:roll:

[DCL]

davis is too good to be playing like this... he's getting owned by far less talented people. the guy has legit game. but he ain't doing shit yet.